The Surf Coaster will be B&M's BEST Model
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In the latest installment of Controversial Opinions, I tell you why I think the surf coaster will be B&M's finest. Yes, I even think it will be better than the hypers and the gigas.
Big thanks to these channels for the footage:
Coaster Hipster
SeaWorld Orlando, Aquatica & Discovery Cove
Cedar Point
S&S - Sansei Technologies
Coaster Thrills
PortAventura
Busch Gardens Tampa Bay
X Coaster
Six Flags Magic Mountain
ElToroRyan
Six Flags Over Texas
Six Flags Great America
Energylandia
Airtime Thrills
Attraction Spot
Intamin Amusement Rides
Hershey Park
Carowinds
Kings Island
Coaster Legend
CoasterCrazy.com
Universal Orlando Resort
Holiday World & Splashin' Safari
Liseberg
Phantasialand
Canada's Wonderland
Walibi Holland
Stubwood
Six Flags New England
Amusement Insider
Theme Park Center
Songs used in this video:
Chemical Plant Zone Act 2 - Sonic Mania [OST]
Metallic Madness Zone Act 2 - Sonic Mania [OST]
Hydrocity Zone Act 1 - Sonic Mania [OST]
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Well no bro cause vest restraints suck
They do make the ride forceless
@@drewfisher4413 banshee is forceful even with them
But they come down on you harder than usual and it makes it worse when you're stapled.
@@xcoasterenthusiast true dat
I have never had a problem with the vest restraints 🤷♂️. In fact, I like them more than the regular old style b&m restraints, because I feel more secure (not between clicks). Also, if it weren't for vest restraints we wouldn't have flying coasters.
Literally the only restraint to hurt me is the one on Skyrush. Now THAT restraint is truly a horrible torture device for my thighs. I'm skinny AF, so it's practically crushing my femurs to dust.
A B&M designer watching this video: Uh oh, they don't know that it's a kiddie coaster model
Then this video would all be for nothing...
@@Coastoons lol, but I think your right about it being B&M's jab at a launch coaster
😂
@@Coastoons It could be the MOST AWESOME KIDDIE COASTER. I mean, when you have enthusiasts making pilgrimages to ride Oscar's Wacky Taxi, Gravity Group already made that a legit category.
What
Surf Coaster: An Image
Enthusiasts: this launched, rmc inspired, thrill ride will be fast paced ejector with snappy elements. The only conceivable inversions are an innelman and a zero g roll. Height: 158 ft with a top speed of 72.67 mph. Not to mention the drop track and true answer to what’s in the shed remember that b&m is incapable of innovation and must do what’s already been done.
Yes of course that seems like the only logical reaction
It’s actually accurate 🤣
Gerstlauer has actually build a LOT of Launched Coasters and their launches are great!
Shellraisers launch gave me goosebumps it was so good.
I didnt knew novgorod had a launch that fast hidden in the dark, amazed me as much as taron
@@clubstep8244 The launch of FVN is even more intense than Taron‘s launch imo
like intamin
I think we don’t expect too much from them so we all get super surprised. Takabishas launch gave me goosebumps too
"Crunchy zero-g rolls." Yep this is my kinda channel
Coastoons:"a park wouldn't add 2 launch back to back."
Phantasialand:"observe."
*IOA:*
Energylandia: *adds literally any concept twice back to back*
I could see one built at Canada's Wonderland or Kings Dominion. I could see this being a volcano replacement
Both of those are great fits. I think at first people would be iffy about a surf coaster being volcanos replacement but its definitely better than a wing coaster
Fully Agree.. Also.. KD really needs this, 'cuz Vulcano was the biggest crowd pleaser
@@Audrey3046 aggre
Speed hills on hypers are RMC inspired elements
Mangnum XL 200: am I a joke to you??
Yeah, I mean, speed hills have been on wooden coaster layouts since the early days. Once again, RMC gets credit for innovating when all they’ve done is re-packaged.
I could easily see B&M Surf being an excellent model for Cedar Fair in particular - assuming it actually is a blitz-like concept. Cedar Fair pioneered the blitz coaster concept, but fell out with Intamin before building any more of them (unless you count i305's blitz/giga insanity). Cedar Fair likes to take successful ride concepts from their flagship properties and spread them to all their other high-performing parks - and their relationship with B&M is clearly excellent.
I do disagree that the "speed hill" on B&Ms is really RMC inspired though - the first speed hills on B&Ms were Leviathan and Shambala - both opening in 2012. I think Levi was probably the first designed and the brief was probably a focus on "speed" to differentiate it from Behemoth's airtime / height. The only RMC open while those rides were still in development was New Texas Giant.
The wave turn and outer bank are definitely RMC inspired though - even if the forces are clearly "safer".
I really agree with your points on speed hills. And that’s why I find Leviathan so important for B&M, it’s not only their first giga, it’s their first speed focused coaster, the first with sand filled in track, the first with Ejector airtime in mind and the first newer B&M with good pacing. I also think that B&M pioneered speed hills, they are far more sustained than other manufacturers’ “speed hill” at the time.
I really love B and M and think they get to much hate. I really look forward to seeing how many of these launched coasters open across the world
I can confirm that the launch on Thunderbird is awesome.
I'm so glad that you're growing so fast
B&M's Gen 2 vests are actually amazing compared to the ones the Americans are used to. If they use these, I would honestly not mind it. Can it be improved? Yes, take out the vest part and make it like a Mack or Intamin launch coaster restraint.
2:10 B&M did a wave turn 20 years ago on the (imo) most underated B&M Raging Bull.
Wasn't that just a banked turn? Agreed that Raging Bull is great, especially in the back.
You're a big brain. I now realize how underrated the surf coaster is.
Fantastic video, plus thanks for using my footage!
Thanks for letting me use it!
Let's just hope B&M doesn't follow too much formulaic layouts (maybe not elements, but layouts could be similar) for their Surf Coaster/possible launch coaster. Great video!
Thats true. Hopefully they keep them distinct from one another like they do with their gigas
I think we could see one at Canada's Wonderland. They are in desperate need of a launch coaster and they love B&M more than my girlfriend loves me.
(I don't have a girlfriend)
fenix is the most forcefull ride in the Netherlands. everyone in my friend group greys out in the transition from helix to zero g. and i love some theming which is an amazing and underrated addition to the ride experience!
I think you're giving RMC a little too much credit for some of the newer B&M elements but yeah, RMC definitely shook up the game.
Great video! New sub 👍
Yeah I realized after I posted that the speed hills weren't really influenced by RMC.
On Maxx Force and Steel Curtain, the restraints are a lap bar with shin guards. If B&M used their Clamshell restraints with shin guards on their Surf Coaster, people would FINALLY not complain about bad restraints on a launch coaster.
That would be great. Clamshells on a launch coaster would be a nice change of pace from the plastic collar premier restraints and the intamin cage hard OTSR.
Ur channel is so underrated. I'm excited for this new B&M concept!
Yes another vid you the best behind airtime thrills and theme park crazy I love the sarcasm and the jokes and your voice shows passion with a hint of why did i take so long to write this script nice one
I always regret writing longass scripts. Right before I record im always like "what monstrosity have I created"
@@Coastoons hey here a vid idea they officially announced the specs of six flags quideas falcons flight the tallest fastest coaster in the world I think it is the longest to
Dude I’ve watched your entire channel in a week, you rule. It’s bizarre but I am excited for you to ride more rides, I don’t even mind you talking confidently about rides you haven’t ridden because you always capture the general consensus and do great research, but just based on the quality of your videos and your delivery you deserve to go experience more rides. Very down to earth channel keep it up fr.
Wow you just changed my approach to the surf coaster and that it has a lot more potential than I thought
That was the goal!
I don't know what 90% of the jargon means and I wouldn't consider myself an enthusiast, but I really enjoy watching these videos. Well done.
Thunderbirds launch catches me off guard every time I ride it it’s amazing
I actually really like Mack Restraints, but i have just been on BlueFire, so yeah. But in compatison with Taron, it actually feels really nice for me as well.
I’d say B&M is experimenting with their three gigas, from Levithan’s superb speed hill, to Fury’s fast pacing and ejector, then Orion’s RMC style elements
Hopefully it transfers over to their surf coasters
I definitely think it’s going to stay low to the ground for the most part
Also keep up the weekly grind. I love your vids.
I know I'm not the only one vibing to the Sonic music in the background
I’d love to see what a surf coaster would look like but I don’t know when we will see one if SeaWorld Orlando doesn’t get theirs, Ocean Park in Hong Kong is expected to get one but I have no clue when they are going to get it.
If I had to guess Ocean Park will be the first park to get the surf coaster unless some other park has already paid for one and we don’t know it yet.
I was watching the office, I am no longer watching the office as I am watching coastoons
Damn
I hope your sacrifice was worth it
Samezies!
I really like your content!! 👍
Thanks!
This aged well...
Seaworld orlando just got a shipment of what looks like b&m surf coaster track...
vest restraints without the vest part is a masterpiece
I was under the impression that SeaWorld had already purchased and had the track for their new coaster delivered. They've been doing prep work since mid 2019 and while SeaWorld is definitely losing money, using a huge coaster to bring people back post-pandemic might be the exact move to do.
They already bought one but something may have happened when SeaWorld had liens filed against them over the summer. Who knows, maybe we will see one at SeaWorld Orlando
To be fair, Hershey ALWAYS has been needing a Multi-Launch, and to be fair, Money isnt too much of a concern, and I think Hershey has a good record with B&M by now, that they might give the surf coaster a try, Then again, Hershey could also get a Maurer X-car with a Launch (yeah, thats a bit of a Wild card) As Hershey has worked Woth Maurer before with Laff Trakk, and it was an Overwelming success, looking at some of the launched X-cars, they do look forcefull, so I wouldnt mind one, Ive been thinking about these two options for a while
also, more points to add that they would go for a Maurer or a Surf is the point that after this Storm Runner, And Sky rush Fiasco, I don't think they are going to work with Intanin again, and we havent seen Hersh work with Mack or Premier, and whats the point of trying something new, if tou could go to someone who you know can deliver a reliable package
not wrong simplicity is the key on roller coasters. My two favorites have to be phantom's revenge & Wicked Cyclone
Everyone wan't the super complicated rides but forget that the best rides like Hypers and RMC's are just plain sit down coasters
I feel like with Orion, they shouldnt have called it a wave turn lol. Its shape isnt even like a wave turn, its just a 90 degree bank. I still think its cool being sideways 200 feet in the air, its just not a wave turn
0:58 I love that transition from Zero-G-Roll into Cobra roll on Kumba. Slightly banked, little pop down into valley of cobra roll. Nice. It's real good on the far left front.
I love b&m and you're videos
Amazing video! Looking forward to see you grow big :)
Here to confirm Thunderbird's launch is fantastic, always surprises me how forceful it feels
Just subscribed from the uk🖒 Never experienced a B and M launch but can't wait.
I litterly said yes what I saw you uploaded thank you your vids are so good
They add the launch,but instead of a top hat,you go into a vertical loop,and then speed hills,Laterals,with a few inversions sprinkled in.
Dude you have a crazy since of humor with perfect logic. I enjoyed this upload had me dying through most of the video because everything you said is true about B&M 💯
Thanks! I'm trying to go for that logic - humor balance in my videos going forward. I feel like a lot of channels do either all logic and it becomes a guy just talking into a blue yeti over generic POV's or it's all humor and rhyme or reason is thrown out the window
@@Coastoons 😂😂😂😂💀
I'm glad we share the same opinions
me too
Pleeaaase have clam-shell restraints i beg. Either way the trans will look pog
Thank you for pointing out there are two launched B&Ms. I had an argument with a guy on someone else’s video when the person in the video said they only have one launch coaster and I literally was like... This “coaster enthusiast” really just said that in his video?!? 😂
Just out of curiosity which one did he forget? Thunderbird or hulk?
@@Coastoons Thunderbird
Disney needs a B&M and it should be a stand up like Riddler and Pipeline, and it should be themed after Anastasia.
Time traveler from the future here and it turned out to be a standup coaster.
can’t wait to see how their launch stacks up when it’s not pushing their HEAVIEST TRAINS down the track
The restraints on mystic timber’s completely killed it because they keep going down during the ride and they come down so easily that by the second hill the bar is so tight it neglects all of the airtime
This aged like the most fine milk in the world.
I hate riding Rollercoaster but I love watching these videos
if its like what u say then yes, but if its just cookie cutter less forceful elements then no, but no matter what it will definitely be better than B&M hypers, cuz thats B&M's worst extreme model by far, and ive ridden thunderbird, and i prefer that launch to mavericks and its my favorite non intamin accelerator launch, the majority of the launch is forceless but that initial kick is wicked, and the coaster itself is way more fast paced than other B&M's and actually has plural greyout moments, so if thunderbird is the prototype for these then surfs are gonna be insane
the speed hill actually made its debut on leviathan, which opened up before any RMC did, so B&M actually didn't take inspiration from RMC for that element.
New Texas Giant opened a year before leviathan and while they may have already planned the speed layout, leviathan's has a wierd twist to it so I like to think of it more as a low to the ground turn than a speed hill
Am I the only one here that was trying to mentally block out his voice to figure out rather the music was from chemical plant zone from Sonic 2?
Actual Surf Coaster Trains:
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Enjoyed the video, I’ve left a sub.
Just one thing I was wondering about - I don’t see how the speed hills on B&M hypers could be inspired by RMC. The first speed hill on a hyper was on Shambhala (I believe) which opened mid 2012. New Texas Giant opened mid 2011 but layouts are typically planned out at least 2 years prior to opening. If we take Icon for example, the layout was revealed to the public in 2016 and didn’t open till 2018. And if it was released to the public in 2016, it could have even been finalised around late 2015. Of course, B&M could have added in a speed hill after seeing the success of New Texas Giant.
I never actually got why people hate B&M so much. I consider myself an enthusiast for much of my life and "B&M sucks" ist just something you kind of learn from others when you get into the community. Yes their layouts aren't as innovative as those of other companies, but you got to give them respect for what they originally brought to the table when they started. They were pioneers in ride smoothness and complex layouts. I mean, they built the first inverts and standups, it's kind of rediculous to say they're not innovative. Plus, I think they build the most beautiful rides just to look at; their layout just conveys a sense of elegance for me. Especially inverts; i just like how the trains move on them. That propapbly sounds weird, but i doubt I'm the only one who thinks that way :D
I think the true current masters of launch coasters are Gerstlauer. They pack the most powerful LSM launches together with really intense and hangtime filled layouts
They're launches are hella underrated. Shellraiser's was lethal
@@Coastoons Karacho‘s is very fun.
The Gold Rush launches are all powerful.
And Fluch von Novgorod has Hydraulic launch intensity even though its LSM
Am I the only one who actuality got good airtime on the wave turn on Orion? Obviously it's only if you're in the right seat (I kept getting assigned the 6th row for some reason), but it is pretty solid IMO
I think the surf coaster will never exsist
btw the first element after the drop on Orion is a Stengeldive
just found your channel. awesome content!
“Mack launches are... a laughing stock” finally someone saying it how it is
I love your content and you're for sure going to blow up keep up the good work!
I wouldn't mind vest restraints at all if they solved the tightening down in high g-force sections. I know it's kind of a good idea, like why wouldn't you want you restraints to tighten down in high g sections just to be extra safe. But it's a bit much hahah. It's not like they don't know what to do to make it not do that. It's a conscious decision. Short of that, I don't hate vest restraints. But I'd prefer clamshells. They wouldn't really work for inversions for those ultra safe parks. You don't want someone blacking out and riding face down or getting their head thrown forward and back/side to side. At least on intense rides. I'm more of a fan of family rides than anything though. I prefer the giddy fun over holy shit almost any day. I'd love a video series or something on No Limits 2 coasters. Showcasing good ones, or going over shaping of track etc. It doesn't get much love on coaster channels for some reason. Do you design your own coasters @Coastoons?
Its either gonna suck and be forceless af or actually be pretty decent. I would like to see a launched invert with the intensity of montu and length of banshee though...
Speed hills are an RMC inspired element? What is your definition of a speed hill cause there are plenty of coasters that have what I would call a speed hill that opened long before new texas giant.
I think I phrased it wrong. I meant speed hills on a B&M are an RMC element. B&M only started doing speed hills after RMC's and didn't really dive in putting it on all of their layouts until RMC really got big
Orion is the most underrated coaster in Ohio!
When did bad restraints make a ride bad? Although not everyone agrees, I say since Skyrush and specifically B&M dive machines.
I think there is a line somewhere and those types of rides cross it.
Usually bad restraints dont make a ride bad though IMO.
I'm excited to see what B&M does with this surf coaster
I think I meant to say "make a launch coaster bad." Most launch coasters have bad restraints but people still tolerate them because their layouts are so good
@@Coastoons oh, I'd agree with that so far! :p
Although, I've heard FOF otsr werent great
1:25 B&M can only because they're the preferred manufacturer for every major chain. And they're known for reliability so a park may want their reliability with a launch and capacity. Don't really need to do anything all that special because of who they are.
Cool video man! Keep up the good work! I personally love B&M
Until we get more info, all we can do is speculate. With everything that happened last year, I wonder if we'll hear from it again at all.
It's possible it might just be scrapped but since Seaworld already got one I'd like to think we'll see it in some capacity eventually
Coastoons after making baseless predictions without knowing anything about it:
i don't know what the fuck a B&m is but I'm excited because it looks like fast cool roller coaster that goes fast
One word. “Subscribed”. 🙌🏾
another word: thanks!
i think it will be a launched stand-up coaster.
5:55 there it is. Parks do not built coasters for enthusiasts. They build for the GP
But if B&M has a product that coaster enthusiasts enjoy (like the surf coaster looks like it will) then it won't matter that parks are trying to cater to GP
@@Coastoons true, but the way you worded it seemed like their first consideration is the enthusiasts
Big Kahuna lol got the reference.
I get what you're saying but lets be real, this is still B&M we're talking about here. And IDK, tbh that one rendering photo looks like awful graphics and really doesn't give any info on what it could be. But I hope you're right I am just not holding my breathe because the last forceful coaster B&M made was Tatsu 14 years ago.
B&M should start designing lap bars!
Their clam shell lap bars are probably the best lap bars in the industry.
Then they should use the clam shell lap bars for the Surf Coaster
@@xcoasterenthusiast Yeah its b&m so they aren't gonna do that. Sadly they don't put lap bars on any thing that has inversions.
Do they seriously think someone is going to fall off when going upside down without protection above them while at the same time, their legs can't leave a lap bar while locked?
Especially with B&M's reliability and throughput compared to Intamin's, I think the surf coaster looks really promising :)
Cool you have a lot more subz that bee4
Love the wing coasters 👍
Since SeaWorld still has to pay the lien for the coaster and they supposedly already gotten shipment for it, why do you think they wouldn’t get it. They can keep it in storage and then build it when they got the money to pay for construction.
They probably will get it eventually but I if they can't afford to pay for the construction or the rest of the shipments it might be a little while
Honey wake up. There’s a new Coastoons video.
Well, I guess B&M’s best model will be a stand-up coaster 🫠
As someone who's rode both thunderbirds launch isnt as intense as Maverick but it's still solid
I may have been stretching a little bit when I said that but as long as thunderbird still has a kick of its own, im fine with it not being as intense as intamins launches
@@Coastoons yeah it's still good. And I agree I think that the surf is gonna be their best model maybe outside of the invert but we'll see
wait wasnt there a lek document where BnM trademarked a next gen stand up seat/retrain? or was it fake? i was thiking it as the return of the stand up coaster but seeing this now think i was just played by twitter... once again feels bad
Unpopular opinion: Orion's wave turn IS good.
Giga Coasters:
*Hold up*
B&M can see success with a launch coaster because Mack's are just as expensive and Intamin has reliability/reputation issues in the US. But overall, I find it very hard to believe this model can beat their hyper's success. For one, most parks don't want more than 1 or 2 launch coasters in their lineup. So any park with a launch coaster already probably will not be looking to add another launch to their lineup, so long as their launch coaster has substantial depth to it - TTD wouldn't cancel out a B&M launch but Maverick could. SF is unlikely to work with B&M for the foreseeable future so that takes away a major player. The hyper model filled a large void in the coaster market from its inception and really only had Intamin to compete with. However Intamin did not see the success in their hypers that B&M did and that allowed B&M to truly command the hyper market in the US. And since the hypercoaster is reliable and a GP machine it became a park staple for most parks.
I think the surf coaster has the potential to be better than most B&M's, but from an overall success perspective, I dont think it will beat the hyper. I think Fury 325 will remain king B&M until a new B&M giga beats it, and i dont think we will see nearly as many surf coasters as hypers
I don't think it will be more successful than the hyper or the invert, I just think from and enjoyability and enthusiast standpoint it will be the best
@@Coastoons I cant argue with that! I'm a hyper lover so I find it unlikely B&M can top Fury with anything other than a better Fury, but you are right, if the surf coaster has 2-across seating its most likely going to notch up the intensity, which will for sure please enthusiasts
You seem to underestimate Gerstlauer. They are great at building launch coasters. Junker, Karacho, Fluch von Novgorod, etc.
Theyre launches are demonic but they rarely incorporate them in layouts. Only on the huge projects
@@Coastoons I don't think so. The ones i've listed are all said to be great launch coasters. There are even more that use the launch to their advantage like Gold Rush or Fury. Every launch coaster they made is pretty good.
Karacho is a really nice one too. Not at a huge scale, but it has a forceful launch funny elements and everything is packed in a pretty small layout.
Ah you mentioned it above... Reading ist hard i guess xD
You should be on Talkin Trimless.
Actually i don’t think the speed hills are inspired by RMC. Shambhala at Port Aventura has one and this coaster opened in 2012, one year after RMC built their first coaster.
Leviathan has a speed hill with a twist and also opened in 2012, B&M’s speed hills’ shaping is also kinda different from others, I think it’s an original from B&M