SU-57: Why Russia is not using its most advanced aircraft over Ukraine
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- The Russian SU-57 stealth fighter will not have any significant impact on the outcome of the war in Ukraine, a defence analyst has said.
Peter Wilson, a senior defence policy analyst at the think tank RAND Corporation, says the use of the SU-57 has been "episodic and almost experimental" because the few aircraft that Russia has of this model are still being developed.
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Su57 and Armata is so stealthy that theyre nowhere to be found on production lines lol.
Lol so funny. This is a serious matter and all you have to offer is.. lol
@@NicholasTyrrell77 Yah, but… he’s right. Russia has been talking up nifty super weapons for years now. Except, what use are they if they don’t get produced enough to go to the front.
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@@jlpeyret it seems like you know more. A shame that the americans arent the only ones capable of hidding their true number of aircraft and tanks of the newest generation.
@thesmoker2118do they really need to when having thousands of nukes?
It is so stealthy that not even Russians can see it in Ukraine.
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No bro why you did them dirty like that
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Bruh su 57 just shot down su 27 and su 24 ukraine
This war coverage corrected so many misconceptions I had about Russia. I'm now doubting if anything I felt I knew about Russian capabilities before is right.
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You’re not alone. May people who’s job it is to know such things are scratching their heads.
I would not listen to any of these people...ever since Ukraine war started, nothing, but bad news is out. The Russians will have more of these in 5 years than we will have F-35s and F-22s put together...
Still has the longest air to air kill in history
It’s because they are using their lowest level equipment and soldiers. They basically are taking over Ukraine with 70s technology and warfare. Contrary to the West propaganda, Ukraine lost the war in the first 72 hrs. Russia is just trying to not kill a bunch of Ukraines.
The better question is why doesn't it have dark radar-absorbent coating and serpentine inlets to hide its engines if it's a stealth fighter?
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Maintenance issue, they probably settled for iron pellet paint and shaping. From the frontal aspect it looks comparable to other stealth fighters but it doesn’t look like an all aspect stealth fighter. They do know how to build one but the cost of making an F-22 analogue was probably too high a financial burden.
У нас есть системы РЭБ нас не надо прятатся,мы просто можем слепить ваши радары или создавать фантомные цели.Радар будет видеть не одну цель а десятки😅
Because they only have like 2 and don't want them blown out of the SKY
💯 agreed. But, we think the number is like, five.. The Rus only have approx (5) su-57 Felons, which are capable of flight.
By very definition; (almost 30 year old) "a technology demonstrator."
@@joshturner7917 at this time there is only 1 capable of flight.
@@oldcynical2845 good. One! (?) that's even better 😏 (Trying not to giggle) Glad to hear it! ✌️
21 have been built (10 test aircraft, 11 serial production aircraft)
@@firefly9838 they have 2 serial production aircraft and 5 hand built prototypes which are likely not as capable as the serial production versions.
I remember few years ago the Russian talk show discuss about how really bad is the American F-35 fighter jet was, the Russian analyst they interview really bombarded it with negative reviews along with the F-22 Raptor, but now ... Here we are , the Russia's so-called 5th Generation Fighter Jet are just doing "the back stage" role, on this Russ-Ukraine War.
For how many times us jets ware grounded it seems just like gm ram ford made to break. 1 plane 1warehouse of spare parts .
the American F-35 fighter jet is really bad
@Bill bob the only useful weapon ever built by the Soviets was the AK-47
@@TheRealBillBob no way you actually still believe that? I thought that consensus was finally over with because everyone disagrees these days.
@@moose4488Russia has just 12 Su-57s - take a seat.
Meanwhile F22 raptor is just tired of having missions 😂
f22 is not a multirole fighter its a air superiority fighter no current conflicts the US is in requires air to air only aircraft
To be fair it just get a kill …. Against a balloon
This thing has more exposed rivets than Titanic. It will go down just as hard against a 5th gen fighter.
The reasons these will not show up over Ukraine is Russia is worried they will be shot down by western weapons. If that happens how will they be able to sell them to the few countries that buy their aircraft. How can you expect an aircraft that costs about 37 million dollars to be as good as one that is all most three times as much . The west's technology is totally different as I recall a Russian aircraft being shot down over Ukraine with a sat nav from a car in the cockpit .This hole episode is a sad old man's wish who believes their should be a USSR again.
Or perhaps it only exist on paper and the rest of the dev $ went to buy yatchs.
Same with their T14 armata tanks.
@@boss2654 And S-400 air defense.
What about when Syria shut down an f15 from Israel
@@libGODFATHER No F-15 was ever shot down in Syria.
Russia thinks the paint job makes it 5th gen
Because losing one would be humiliating in an already humiliating war.
It's certainly not a "stealth" fighter at between 1 and 0.1 m/2 RCS. It doesn't have S-curve inlets to hide the highly reflective compressor blades, it doesn't use RAM coating on the entire airframe and it has all-moving tail planes which can produce large radar returns depending on their orientation. Meaning it will be possible to get missile lock on them at long range unlike actual stealth platforms like the F-35 and F-22. Considering how dense the ground based SAM defense is over most of Ukraine, Russia would almost certainly lose some of any Su-57s it sent to the war.
Definitely the Eurofighter a 4.5gen definitely has a better RCS every time I see a shot of a su57 I’m always amazed how many screwheads are showing 😂
@@sparkyplug28 It also has a large IRST mount right on the nose which are highly radar reflective.
@Kestrel Motors UK
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@@nikogrujic6807 Low RCS doesn't mean invisible, it just means the aircraft is much harder to acquire with the high frequency radar needed for actual targeting.
Flying any aircraft in a predictable pattern in a war zone is a bad idea for any aircraft including stealth platforms.
@@nikogrujic6807 then the Americans spent billions in a worthless tech unlikely or maybe one shot down plane counts for nothing?!
This guy sounds like he google's everything he spoke about.
OK Ivan, you've earned your rubles now crawl back under your rock.
If you live on a farm and you got a new gate to keep the sheep in you don't keep the old one you use the new one unless there is something wrong with it.
Because it made of plastic!
You might buy a gate ready for when the old fails. But this is more a case having designed the gate, but not yet bought it.
Yeh I wouldn’t wanna use my new gate if I only had 1 of them
Or the gate is probably more use a fence panel, looks similar but not as capable
Is the gate to keep the sheep in or the Welshmen out?
It must be truly awful. You can't tell me that Russia couldn't find use for a deep strike stealth fighter bomber. Even if it only flew three sorties a week, that would be pretty nasty in terms of precision strike on critical infrastructure, HIMARS units, bridges, etc... The fact that they haven't been seen or used is pretty telling.
it also puts into question is true stealth capability. we only have russias words for how stealth it really is.
@@ashleygoggs5679 India backed out of the joint project because they saw the writing on the wall; it's a hollowed out shell of a modern fighter jet, just like all the other aspects of the russian military.
@@paddington1670 need only look at the sunken rivets on the fuselage to notice how its not remotely even a 5th gen
Su-57 was too expensive, poorly engineered and powered by old and unreliable engines.
-India
Or, perhaps no one has seen the SU-57 being used because it's that good. It flies into Ukraine, drops bombs and fires missiles, no one sees it on radar, and it's gone. All the missiles raining down on Ukraine everyday are being fired from somewhere, by something 🤷♀
Russia is not using its most sophisticated planes simply because ... it is waiting for the F16s!!
It's got great agility... but not enough genuine stealth
India is probably happy that it did not continue its involvement with this project.
Because some farmer with an RPG will blow their super expensive plane out of the sky if they do it.
Sounds like it would have been an OK gen4 fighter but it's ten to fifteen years too late
Try 40 years
Like everything Russia builds 😂💀
Definitely past 4th gen but not a 5th gen either. Feels more like prototype of a 5th gen if nothing else. Like it's got the foundation but a lot of features to make it complete are missing.
Simple answer... it's not needed.
The 57 stands for the area code designated to the thing because it’s so goddamn big.
Concorde and Tu144 Konqordski springs to mind
Because your mind is primitive! Unable to independently analyze the issue, except for repeating the slogans of anti-Russian propaganda for suckers...
Summary of the video "... I don't know..."
The Su-57 is the best fighter ever made.
*Best airshow aircraft
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F-35 Copy of Russian Yak-141 prototype
USA : 😭😭
@@edwarren804 Yak-38 copy of British Harriers
Russia 😭😭🤡🤡
It's so stealthy you cant see it
Su-57 Femboy.
No one calls it Felon.
They don't need to, Ukraine is falling like dominos.
The SU-57 is by far the stealthiest of all fifth generation fighters. The Russians use a spectacular trick to realize this technological advantage: being not able to afford it. There are barely any of it existing so far and therefore NATO Radars haven’t been able to spot it just once. It’s pure genius on the Russians side.
Lol sure pal.
@@zipz8423a total of 11 had been made since last year. Russia is poor.
Maybe we don't understand.. that's a "special 5th generation".
What do airplanes matter if they are capable of dropping ultrasonic atomic bombs? Have we gone crazy with war games?
They are afraid it will be shot down by flying Russian tank turrets.
There's footage from Russian TV of exposed rivets on the wing. This isn't stealthy. It's a scam. That's why it won't go near the battlefront.
The newest model has no rivet anymore.
@@tuzol4527 If it were remotely serviceable it would be flying in Ukraine. It isn't because it would be shot down.
"The UK Ministry of Defense confirmed via satellite photos that Russia is using five fifth-generation Su-57 Felon (NATO codename) fighters against targets in Ukraine."
Indeed. But the same report also mentions that they don't fly over Ukraine. They fly in Russian airspace as far from Ukraine as possible and launch long range missiles, too afraid to face anything that can shoot back. Any of their existing heavy bombers can do the long range launches, the only reasons to use these at all would be for testing the airframe, or because they are having a hard time maintaining their existing fleet of bombers and need to spread the airtime as much as possible to ease maintenance burdens on any one airframe. Too
Yes they have, you can tell because Ukraine is losing aircraft over 100km behind Ukraine lines.
@@Kizron_Kizronson Why fly over Ukraine when it could be done with out flying over Ukraine? That's the purpose of having a long rage capabilities. I said before that they are in used already. The are so good that even Ukraine general are left with little to nothing to be done when they are used. Not very often though but for specific strike which just make sense to me.
Not over Ukraine they don’t. And if you remember what happened to those 5 Russian aircraft that were splashed across the border in Belgorod I doubt they are flying too close to the border these days.
@@Kizron_Kizronson This has always been Russian doctorine though, the SU-57 was not designed to fly over enemy territory, it was designed to defend Russian airspace under friendly AA support. That's why there was no effort put into rear visibility stealth. Russia is not the soviet union, its power is more comparable to Germany or Japan. Considering that the SU-57 seems to be a great 4.5th generation fighter, very much on par or outmatching the Eurofighter and F-15. The Russian air force has now however been forced into a stupid attritional war which it was not designed to fight, so further investment into an expensive fighterjet is not what's needed.
Don't want to risk them, don't really need to use them.
This commentator is quite wrong about shortage of microprocessors. China provides microchips superior to those from TMSC. The 44,133lb dry thrust Izdeliye 30 engine is now in production and fitted to Su57, which equip the 23rd Fighter Regiment. The Izdeliye 30, or AL-51F engine burns Kerosene at lower altitude, but also above Earth's atmosphere by burning Kerosene with Nitric acid.
su37 only different shape
One's analog, and has tracking missiles, from headmount. One is entirely digital, and does the work for you. What's more reliant?
Since ussr fall Russia isn't progressing that much
Yous forgetting USSR won the Second World War - Ukraine is doing bad, hence why all the donations... 🇷🇺 🇷🇺 🇷🇺 🇷🇺 🇷🇺 🇷🇺
Not gonna watch the video but it's very simple, same reason Israel doesn't fly the f35 over Syria (after one was damaged beyond repair by an s200 missile)
Because even if there's a 0.01% chance of it being shot down or having an engine failure, why would you take that risk. Modern jets have acess to long range missiles that can hit targets over 1000km away, you're not gonna use an su57 to drop bombs on Ukraine when there's lots of other less advanced and expensive jets that can do the same thing if not better
Let me save you some time… they don’t have enough for even a squadron
Exactly
They are probably using it, but over their own airspace.
Part of their unwillingness to use it in Ukraine may be the monstrous cost per unit.
So my 22s and 35s have no worries. Good 👍🏽
It would be in use for battle when it gets old...after 60yrs.
Now its so expensive, dont blew it away
That craft is no way a TRUE Stealth fighter. That is just aN upgraded fighter without Stealth capabilities. THAT IS IT……
To make a long story short is that 5th gen fighters like the SU57 Felon is too expensive and a loss of one would take a big chunk of the whole fleet of them, so they use older fighters as they have more of them produced and wouldnt be that costly
Why? When the mig 31 is already controlling the battle space.
No brainer...Because Russia doesn't want a 5th gen fighter falling in the hands of the enemy.
Interessant bei diesem Flugzeug ist auch, das es ein unbemanntes Begleitflugzeug mit Bewaffnung mitführen und einsetzen kann.Dadurch das es unbemannt ist, muss das Begleitflugzeug nicht Rücksicht auf Insassen nehmen und kann weitaus riskantere Flugmanöver ausführen.
The commentator remarked that the pilot had good self-awareness. I think he wanted to say “awareness” but he was correct anyway. Being self-aware is important when you fly such a crappy aircraft.
Discredit Russian aircraft and pilots at you peril my man.
I went to the World Aerobatic Championships in 2011 Foligno, Italy.
Those superb Su-26M3's made our western aircraft look like amateur homebuilts.
And they kicked our behinds.
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Those 2011 planes are still probably the best thing they have. :D
это не бомбардировщик - это истребитель - штурмовик.
They wouldn't called stealth if see them
That's a pretty fair appraisal of the SU-57- Felon and can see from some of the comments their are those who disagree as is their right but regardless this aircraft is still very much teething and hasnt reached operational status and wont be mass produced as their aviation industry doesnt have the capability to do so. There is expected to be no impact in the foreseeable future in anytheater other than airshows.✈ thanks for sharing
i believe russia is using them against ukraine, albeit from within russian territory though. Many Su57 have been sighted at the air fields that ukraine has been bombing lately. Especially Engels-2
@@ashleygoggs5679 citation needed
@@jb76489 I cant be bothered to find one, however the photos of engels field with SU57 on them are easy to find if you care so much.
Also the notion that russia is using SU57 over its own airspace is not exactly farfetched to believe. I dont know what else to say, do you want me to also find a source that says russian cars drive on russian roads too?
@@ashleygoggs5679 All airfield and aprons are under intence scrutiny and the SU -57 has not appeared and irs felt they wont as if only one was shot down and its de engineering with simply show It is the product of the PAK FA programme, which was initiated in 1999 as a more modern and affordable alternative to the MFI. Sukhoi's internal designation for the aircraft is T-50. Dated.Basicly simply a poor mans upgarde.
@@skeletonkey6733 i mean i dont know if your reasearch is effective, but su57 very much has been spotted at the airfields. Many youtubers have shown in their update videos of the war that engels 2 had su57s stationed there.
All western aircraft & weapons are better, extremely competent training as well.
Russian MOD: "It actually IS being used over ukraine you just can't see it due to superior stealth technology. We WANT you to believe it's not being used"
The Want you to believe it is being used, but if it was and was working as it should ukraine really would have hell falling down on them at this point, even if only by tow jets . But they are not most of ukraine unless long-range missles is getting hit by anything
I would reply but I can't see you!
Or perhaps they don't want to allow west weapon technology to be tested against their jets. Why allow them to test and improve their air defenses. Ukraine is no threat to Russia where Russia are willing to risk their top weapons
My dogs farts are more stealthy and dangerous 😢
Well considering they lose about 10 of the SU 25 bombers a month the Russians probably don't want the embarrassment of losing a SU 57.
It is, just its sooo stealthy no one can see it 😉
Maybe they don't want the west to improve their weapons against their jets.
Have you seen f35 operating in s400 areas. Turkey pulled out of f35 deal to purchase s400
Chip shortage is a bummer.
Maybe it has flown over and nobody saw it 😂
Maybe it never flew cos it ran out of fuel during takeoff 😂
Regardless of how good it is/is not...It is a Sexy looking airplane ✈
As much as I joke about Russians i will agree with you they look awesome.
@@danbatesy5492 Russian planes are nearly always better looking than their western counterpart, maybe apart from the F16 which is gorgeous.
I suspect Russia is eyeing the Indian market and doesn't want to come up short.
You could put this aircraft in the prototype category
Afraid of being shot down by F16 in Ukraine.
One of the first su57s crashed. They only have 4 operational su57s 😂😂😂😂😂
Didn't the UK MoD claim that the Su-57 Felon was being used in Ukraine a few weeks ago?
No. What they said was “Russia has been flying its new Su-57 jets against, but not over, Ukraine say the British Ministry of Defence.”
I would agree. And it is also typical for almost all that happens in Russia: great exaggerations to camouflage the sober reality
is this old because Russia is using the su 57
Russia can only produce flying shovels, right? If you bothered to check, there was more than 1 deployed in Syria. Russia has 12 of those actually at the moment, with more SU-57M on order and they will be produced with the new engine AL51F 1 too (which Russia is incapable of creating...).
Nope nobody ever aaid this.
It is stealthy - why do you expect to see it?
And we also secretly train them how to launch hyper Sonic missiles.with long range capabilities.from all aircraft beyond visual range of over 600 miles.and with the newely developed radars that could pick up any enemy stealth aircraft and their missiles.
My guess is that not enough have been made. So they are not disposable enough.
I’m guessing they’re afraid it would backfire on them like the me 262 did for the Germans
Its been in Ukraine since the first 2 weeks of the war and even the Pentagon said that the Radars have not yet said it had detected the Su-57
It's not a true stealth aircraft and not fully developed yet. If one got shot down, that's one heck of an embarrassing disaster.
it has? The stealth bit that is a problem is the Engine.
I say it would be vulnerable against Patriot & other SAM system in the Ukrainian military arsenal. Having a radar signature almost identical to a clean Super Hornet or a Typhoon fighter won't save it from the fangs of sophisticated SAM systems operated by Ukraine. And the russians know it.
Is that a fisher price label on the underside ?
It is not Stealth
For the same reason American F35's are not present in Ukraine.
The reasons why F-35s are not present in Ukraine are different to why SU-57s are not present. The SU-57s are missing because there aren't that many of them that have been produced. With a total of less than 10 SU-57s that we know of, why risk them in combat? Such a tiny number of your most advanced 5th gen combat fighter would not make a difference in the war anyway, even if all of them were to be deployed in Ukraine. Russia already has a lot of SU-25s, SU-27s, SU-30s, SU-35s and Mig 35s, that are very capable, and are doing great, at a much cheaper cost, should they be shot down.
Whereas on the other hand, the F-35 needs a pilot to have spent years in training before flying it. Ukraine doesn't have that kind of time. The F-35 also requires specialist equipment and hangars for servicing and storage. Ukraine doesn't have those. It is also an incredibly expensive aircraft. There would need to be a couple of F-35s in Ukraine for them to actually make a difference in this conflict. With F-35 costing around $80M each, it is far much more effective to send a dozen HIMARS to Ukraine for the price of one F-35, or a dozen HIMARS and hundreds of their rockets, several hundreds of Javelin ATWS, and several hundreds of MANPADS. Also, for the F-35 to be as effective as it was designed to be, it needs to work with, and share data with other assets like AWACS, Triton drones, 4th Gen aircraft, surface combatants etc - which means the US will have to get directly involved in this war since Ukraine doesn't possess such tech at the moment. Also, Ukraine is not a member of the F-35 partners. Only the countries involved in the design and manufacturing of the F-35 are allowed to fly the F-35. It's an incredibly advanced aircraft with classified technology that needs to be kept safe and secret that it can't just be flown by anyone. So, since Ukraine is not an F-35 partner, it doesn't own any F-35 fighters. And so, finally, who is going to send F-35s to Ukraine? The United Kingdom? The USA? Italy? The Netherlands? Australia? Norway? Denmark? Canada? None of them can do that. That would immediately be considered as an escalation and Russia would definitely move to strike NATO countries, or even use nuclear weapons that Putin has only been threatening to use for a while now. Up to now, the US and its allies have only been sending what are considered as defensive weapons to Ukraine - air defense guns and missiles, rockets, armored fighting vehicles, rifles, anti-tank weapons etc. A really advanced jet like the F-35, although it can be used only in a defensive role, would correctly be considered an offensive weapon by Russia, leading to an escalation of the war. The US would very much like to avoid that. Why do you think none of the allied countries have not sent any aircraft of any type to Ukraine so far? Even Poland, who fly the exact same Migs and Sukhois as Ukraine, have refused to send them to Ukraine for that same reason - fear of escalation, and fear of possible Russian retaliation.
Because it only has about 10 of them!
askign why the Russians are not using the SU-57 is like asking America why they didn't use the F-22 in Afghanistan or Iraq...
The F-22 wasn't in service when the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan occurred. However, the F-22 has flown combat sorties over Syria.
Cope harder gopnik
Their birds are always jacked up,they need to stay in their lane.
For now, Russia will keep using their trusted SU-25 and Mig-31 aircraft while saving the SU-57 and other advanced weapons for when the US and NATO directly get involved.
russia and britain has confirmed the use of su 57 in the conflict
@@ferrous3262 Yea but that's bvr only. From Russia into Ukraine.
WhY HaSnT tHiS sTeALtH pLaNe BeEn sEen?
Western media in a nutshell:
Because its expensive and they don't want it blown up
It’s a stealth plane. If you knew if it was being used, it wouldn’t be very practical, would it?
I am an Asian Dutch, And I LOVE RUSSIA!
This is because of their HARD work and DID HELP for EU FREEDOM during WWII
You can keep deleting my comments but all I do is post about your channel elsewhere
this guys voice ruins it, watch with subtitles on
If it has the range that f35 have then there is no reason for it to fly over ukraine. Or perhaps they dont want their technology falling in the wrong hands. Or its just a facade.
Those are the only logical options. Really not hard to figure out.
That’s miss information
That's a pretty bad appraisal. 🙄🙄
Maybe they are....... And it's working
Wearing polyester false fur on your flying jacket says it all.
Because it has the radar signature of a bus!
No cigar Ivan.
Can't afford to fly that far.
They dont need to? They allready have air superiority so.... why risk using an expensive jet thats still being tested and full of the latest russian tech to risk it being shot down for no apparent reason just beceause you can? The other jets fullfill the same roles and are less expensive to operate and they have tons of them.
There is no Ukrainian air plane left for Russia to send there stealth fighter over that country