I absolutely love how you and Six never pull your punches. Calling a spade a spade in times when other creators are following a paycheck makes the both of you a more trusted source, especially when the common goal is making the experience easier and better.
Dynax Mode is a temporary transformation affecting Pokémon that was introduced in Generation VIII and is exclusive to Pokémon Sword and Shield. It grants Pokémon tremendous strength and size and allows them to use powerful moves called Max Moves. A variant of this phenomenon called Gigantamax further alters the appearance of Pokémon and gives them access to exclusive G-Max Moves.
It seems that Creality does not understand that getting rid of honest reviewers to protect a bad product is not going to work. In the long run they will only end up with a couple of reviewers with bad reputations who support them and they will still have a bad product and also their own reputation will be destroyed.....BAD BUSINESS
Ive retired my halot mage 8k..My next resin printer will be the Saturn 4 Ultra. But , im really loving my Sovol SV08..just printed my first helmet on it and damn its fast
Let them have it, Ross, but remember that they're still one of the big dogs in the industry and try not to make it personal. They really needed to bring the A-game this time with Elegoo releasing the Saturn 4 Ultra for $400 and Mars 5 Ultra for $279, both with tilting bed mechanism. These printers have no significant flaws that I can see and the S4U at least is a joy to use. I'm still waiting for the delivery of the two M5U's I ordered. I'm having to adjust my workflow from the S3U because of how quickly prints complete, and my post process now includes air drying after the rinse in denatured alcohol thanks to your advice, so timing is even more critical. But my what beauties the S4U is turning our using Sunlu ABS-like resin. I just printed out the Loot Studios welcome pack (minus the tavern) and the details are exquisite. More to add to my pile of shame. I own a K1 Max and an Ender 3 V2, so I have a stake in Creality I guess you'd say. But integrity matters, and I'm glad you are intent on keeping yours brother.
I wouldn't say they have no significant flaws.. frankly Elegoo's plate design and solution for auto zeroing are both messy and prone to failure. That said, I think most of the rest (tilt mech included) of the features are a marked improvement from previous generations of hardware, and most people will have good results with them.
You reviewed only 60 printers. Pff. No wonder they wont take your opinions on board. Ha ha ha . Seriously though, you think these companies would want hard, matter of fact reviews, if it means the company can make a better one. I cant wait to see the next Uniformation release. I got a email of a pending release today!
It is evident that they will respond when their sales decline. Until then, they will continue to release the same subpar machines with minor upgrades or, more accurately, side-grades. Hey Ross, your party was awesome!
I honestly thought after the travesty that was the Mage pro, they would actually do that here. I half suspect the reason this looks so similar is because they already made so many chassis for the last one and it undersold they had no choice but to use them all again here. I'm just so disappointed in them for doing this again, It's so misleading. surely some of this is borderline criminal to do? just looking at their product page, I can see so many incorrect statements -Infallible Quality Prints - no, mine both failed to live up to the quality the screen is capable of, and failed to print (they should look up the word infallible) -Smart and User-friendly Features - how, smart features include intelligent sensing features, this has none. and user friendly is the opposite of what this UI is. they don't even explain their functions anywhere. - Excellent Software and Accessories - I mean, the video said it all in response to this! And that is just the opening lines. Are these lies? can these be taken as lies? i suppose the statements are too subjective.
Here we go... After countless hours this is what I have collected. I own the Mage and 2 Mage pro models. I have started to use the pro on in the last 2 weeks even though I have owned it since it was released. The mage was just deathly slow. After trying to communicate with Creality techs (who were rude and unknowledgeable/ I have the email traffic to prove it) I gave up because it NEVER reached the speeds they advertised. The print quality was great if you were willing to wait longer than any other printer (even my OG Mars upgraded) The pro model has been horrible. I am extremely experienced in resin printing. I'm retired and still able bodied mostly so I have the brain power and time. First and foremost I print cones of calibration. Failed 90% of the models. Most models would fail at layer 20/21. I know this for a fact because I have an expensive micrometer. Two instances would occur. 1- layer 20/21 will delaminate and the proceding layers will adhere to the film. 2. Pulling force will be SO GREAT that the model will be pulled from the build plate and adhere solely to the film. This is my understanding of the occurance and possible reasons. I believe that slicing models in anything except Halot box will create a 50+micron gap (at layer 21) causing print failure without a build plate adhesion loss. If you are lucky (and I really do mean that) do to over exposure (15%+) your larger models will continue to print but will slip because layer 20-21 or 21/22 will only adhere near the center of the build plate. Very small models (aprox 4mm+ diameter) have a 50-60% chance of being fully intact no issues. If you over expose the print by 15%+ then you will lose significant detail but have better chances of non-failure. I say it like this because I still have yet to have 100% success on a single build plate. Dynax mode... Here goes... It is the software reading the next layer of pixels in comparison to the previous layer and then slamming the gas pedal on speed with complete disregard to decency. Sorry I had to throw that in. And guess when this really kicks in? That's right!!! Layer 21... At least that is what I believe. I watched my pro slap chop it's way into my heart 30+ times over and over… failure after failure... And when my exposure was 0.9s it would be on the build plate. When it was 1.0-1.1s it would rip clean off the build plate and be stuck to the included "high speed film." Dynax plus is essentially Doc Brown taking Marty back to meet his parents and screw up the time line cuz LORD that thing will 1000% always rip it off the build plate. Let me be clear. These are mostly testing the cones of calibration I'm referring to. So it is consistent and singular variable changes at a time. Needless to say there are serious issues with the firmware (oldest and most current). I tested both. I have read and agree with what most of applies to the Halot Mage series from "sn4k3". (UVtools) And to make matters worse for Creality, sn4k3's eeprom dump has been blocked from working on the Halot Mage series FW so there is no way to see what the gcode is doing or even what it is capable of. If anyone has gotten this the eeprom to dump please msg me. I refuse to give up. I am not happy with creality but there are so many of us that have sunk hard earned money into these machines. It is capable of great prints but I am 100% positive the key starts at the default gcode line by line. Also... The " light off delay" function... Doesn't work right. sn4k3 talks about it with detailed math. If you turn it up to 3s it will help but not a guarantee to achieve success on a print. At this point I'm praying. I'm testing more as I type this but God may just be laughing at me at this point.
Having seen what Creality achieved in the FDM side over my last 10 years in the hobby I feel that we are going to be continually disappointed with the progress they make. Creality just seems to not do much more innovation these days and just ride the brand recognition they have from the earlier FDM days. My personal tinfoil hat theory is that because they didn't win the "race to the bottom" (Make it as cheap as possible) as they did in the FDM space they have almost given up the idea of a large market share in the Resin space, Thus the lack of investment in making advancements besides the generic screen "Upgrades" we get each release cycle, Not like they do much innovation in the FDM space anymore.. , But hey that's just an opinion from someone who's had a far too many Creality FDM machines during the hobby XD
Creality just live in their own world like many other 3d printing companies from china. To build good printer isn't something difficult or expensive (bambu lab) . It seems they have heir own physics that is way diffrent from us, different gravity, temperature and many more.... is weird for me...
I’ve bought 3 printers based on your reviews and all the reviews have been spot on with pro’s and cons and I’m super happy with each recommendation. Which I will not be even looking at the direction of Creality.
Thanks for the honesty, wish more people did honest reviews. Ding shills. I'm going to buying my first resin printer in September or at Christmas and I won't even consider getting a Creality or any of their products now. Stuff them.
It feels like Creality are not run by engineers but accountants. At least the decisions are prioritising profit/cost cutting over quality etc. (cheaper to tack on features in the app) or spend time fine tuning lift settings and all that.
Although I still use a vintage Phrozen Sonic Mini 4K for resin stuff, I enjoy your reviews and this one is particularly juicy. I have bad feelings about Creality caused by an Ender 3 Pro that apparently defied every quality control check. What a monstrous piece of junk that was. Yes, I know it was an FDM printer, but it's cursed the brand name for me forever. If Creality offered a magical golden bulletproof twat for 25¢ (US) I probably wouldn't buy it
I had 6 different creality prints. 4 resin and 2 fdm. I had many ridiculous issues with every single one of them. I've sold most and will never use their printers again. They. Are. Ass.
I bought a Halot One years ago as my first resin printer. It was a nightmare and almost put me off resin printing. I then bought a Mars 2 Pro, and Elegoo are now my go to and I won't touch Creality. I replaced my CR-6SE with a Neptune 3 Plus and again I won't ever go back to Creality.
I believe Dynax is a marketing gimmick that doesn't work. Yeah, I'll admit I didn't read the manual, but that's what my first impression was, and it was close enough. I'm honestly saddened to see that a company that used to be so beloved in the 3d printing industry is just doing the "slap a sticker on it and screw fixing any issues" thing, but they've been doing it for so long with tiny little updates here and there (just look at the Ender 3, with it's six bajillion revisions, and so many silent ones) that I don't even get disappointed when I see yet another box that doesn't work properly, and has fewer features and a worse UI than my Mars 2 Ultra.
I believe dynax mode is a bullshit marketing ploy to actively hamper your settings so you think you get something great when you enable it. dynax mode off = only max values? what? Is that why it splashes so much? some features unlocked with dynax mode (but still hampered) All featuers unlocked with dynax+ but your prints will not look as pretty. Basically 3 shitty settings of which none goes on to explain what it does (lift speeds, off time, etc), just be aware its very userfriendly (?)
The Reviews are really helpful, seems that when releasing a new model or ‘MK2’ many manufacturers are just not listening to users. Do I need to upgrade, right now for what I need,no. BTW, the machine is called Halot, I’m reading an extra ‘R’ in there.
Thanks for the reviews and all the efforts you and other YT creators put into making these videos. Im very experienced in FDM but never owned a resin printer so your experience in considering printers is both a valuable and appreciated resource for those of us looking to make a purchase (which to be honest wont be any of the creality lineup at this point in time). I live in SE Asia, and im also British, so sarcasm runs through my viens and it goes into hyper mode when we see plainly stupid mistakes (multiple times) and as you rightly pointed out, when companies dont want to listen to their customers, let alone take the proactive and professional approach to ask users how to make better products and services. It's tough to be fair when you're infuriated. I was chuckling to myself when i saw this video pop up, as i had just pressed the button on a competitors printer having come to a conclusion early today (thanks in part to your multiple reviews) to stay away from Creality resin printers. Thank you sir.
Creality was good for one printer: the original ender 3. Not because it was a good printer, but because it was cheap. Creality doesnt make good quality products and never has. They make knockoffs that are cheap and just barely work enough that it isnt a straight up scam.
Printer manufacturers when asked to make sensible firmware changes: impossible. This printer was such a disappointment for sure. Great swingy door, inbuilt vent, but no innovation and just ridiculous firmware. Great job on this review and going as deep on the settings as you did! Cant have been fun. Hopefully Creality get the message and turn their next Halot Mage into a printer worth its price tag. Also I'll see if I can get you in contact with the rep I deal with as they seem happy to continue talking to me even though I recommend viewers spend their money elsewhere 😂
Thanks Brother, and yeah, little about this was fun at all. though I obviously relish a little in the smugness that I have the freedom to say all this. But I pray they get the message from the community of people buying, or not buying these. I would love Creality to step up and compete, they have the money, but they just don't seem organised enough to get this right. The company clearly needs to work on communication internally and externally. Tech's should actually listen to the marketing team... If you would like to try to put me in touch with your rep, I'd love to talk to them again and offer any help that I can. But if their name begins with J, that's likely the guy who told me he had left the company...
I have a mage (non-pro), and it’s been a fantastic work horse, that said, I want a Saturn Ultra for my next one. It seems the add ons is what took it from a dependable printer to garbage. If I hadn’t had loot studios for years, I’d totally get them and get a commission. They are amazing! HIGHLY recommend.
Wow, I've used over a half-dozen resin printers over the last few years and never seen anything as moronic as the Creality z-axis controls. This printer looks to have some decent qualities but then they do something pants on head stupid like that. It's no wonder they have struggled to build market share.
I always found creality resin printers as just a side project for them because why not to get a couple sales from the people that buy Enders. But now that Bambu is here and destroying them in every category unless you need a really big FDM printer they are going to have to get their crap together or die.
Creality has always been a steaming pile of random poop. There's never any rhyme or reason in any of their products. It's like a different person designs each product, in their own bubble.
I've seen people review the Halot Mage more favourably than yourself, so I was thinking about picking up the 8k Mage, but after seeing this review, coupled with your last one, there's no way I'll be touching their resin machines. You are absolutely right, there are other machines in the same price bracket that are just streets ahead of this. Thanks for your honest and thorough reviews. I've delved into a ton of your videos when thinking about picking up a new resin machine and will be sure to use one of your links once I've decided.
i love mine PRO - and use it with Lychee PRO also i have a 2024 model PRO and it is not the same as the early model Pro. mine actually has handles on the Vat, and the Carbon filter IS bolted down like the S has. it has a pour spout on the vat that apparently some of the early Pro's do-not. it also has the DYNAX+ firmware that comes with the new S model. (i dont use Dynax+ over plain Dynax, but its there. apparently it makes the light 120% vs 100%. so all your settings get screwed and have to learn them all over) i did not know they made these and several other changes until after i got mine. but im really glad i got it when it did and not sooner. and i yes, i use my resin pump - A LOT. its really not that hard to clean. just run alcohol thru it from a shot glass into a solo cup. then when im ready to fill up the vat, i usually pour it in first, then pump OUT a shot glass worth, then connect it to the 2kg bottle for when i need more later (auto fill works great). the only real problem is that i have come close to clipping off my resin pump spout like HE did in the OG video. but i just made a spacer for the BP and moved it forward 1/4" and no more problems. EVER. and still have LOTS OF ROOM to print with. the only thing i see diff from the 2024 Mage Pro and the 2024 Mage S is the "Resolution" and the etching on the build plate. THAT ALL !! other than that - mine is I-FREAKIN-DENTICAL. I do hate how the video time lapse system works tho.... such vomit. lol i also have an ENDER 3 MAX NEO and freakin LOVE IT. i upgraded the filament drive to a direct drive and got a Sonic Pad, and now its awesome !! the videos are stored on it vs creality cloud.
This review is why I watch this channel. I need printers for my company and I prefer to pay with money than time. So i ended up with 4 Bambu Lab printers for filament and are waiting for a Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra. I need something that just works, the rest is just a bonus.
personal experience with elegoo, they are crap. not even 1 month of use and the plate went only up, open the machine, bring the plate down, try again. and again only up. from support said they need to send it to R&D as they have no clue, decided to return that machine and get a phrozen 8k mighty with upgrade kit (this was all in january-february) since then the phrozen works solid
Thank you for this honest review. I have a FDM printer and can't fault my ender 3 Pro, and I was looking at creality for my first resin printer, but I'll skip this now. Thanks for saving me from wasting my money.
can't imagine how many issues that this printer has.... You would think they have been in the 3D printing market for long, their machines should be well made & designed. But apparently not. Thank you for your honest review, I will go for an Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra..
I can see why Creality doesn't contact you... you keep pointing out all of their stupid choices. Do the people at Creality who design the printer actually use them? There seems to be quite a bit of lazy, janky, and poorly implemented features. Personally I have never considered Creality when choosing a printer.
Thank you for this video. I try so hard to like Creality. I have some FDM printers from them but they don't care about us. I preordered the Elegoo Mars 5 Ultra Resin printer and I think I made a better decision than Creality's machines.
whats best pick for a resin printer ? something that actually allows you to tweak all its settings even if you have to edit the firmware , must be Linux compatible , highest resolution and most height
I guess it's down to the user. if you want to tweak and tinker with settings sure, you would wnat w printer that lets you tweat it;s settings. but since most people don;t know how to tweak the settings for their benefit or even what most settings do. Why would they not take a printer where all the settings are predetermined and offer incredible results?
It really felt like you were trying to find a redeeming value in this printer, but it never provided one to you. I agree the design is nice, but the user experience. 🤮 Also, birthday party for making it to the end!! Lol
what resin are you using ?? i have a Mage Pro and get lots of good print out of mine. i still get some fails, but more goods than bads. i mostly use Sunlu ABS. its very forgiving. this is my ABS settings. 30um 15-30sec burn. (depends on bottom thickness) 3sec norm 6 bot layers 6 trans layers 3-5mm L.Dist 60>240 / 240>60 mm/m L-SPD (both top and bot) Toughness is bout the same. 10sec burn and 5sec layer
Never Heard of it, unless they announced the name, which I'm sure they haven't. But if such a printer exists, I'll have a video out on announcement day
the amount of times you brought up you not being bitter and how they stopped talking to you makes you sound bitter lmao. One time in a the beginning and end is enough i promise lmao
I’m watching this and trying to understand this companies blatant crappiness… I suspect they may be owned by a much larger parent company who needs a write off. OR they have the ability to literally “throw” these together and know they will sell just enough to make it worth their while… Regardless, thank you for doing the deep dive so everyone knows why they should buy….. just about any other printer on the market. I won’t even pimp the GK Two again (whoops. I messed that up didn’t I ? 😂)
100% agree. The soft metal of the build plate bracket is a huge problem. I've run a decent size print farm for 5 years and have used many printers .....my bracket stripped in the first week of owning the mage
@@FauxHammer 5 years of running a farm with at least 10 printers in it. I've gone through many many machines. I bought this one December and I only figured out what was going on last month. I had to use oversized self-tapping machine screws to keep the bed level..... I also struggled using lychee slicer for months until I just gave up and started using the creality slicer. I will admit though, now that those huge problems are worked out. I'm getting beautiful prints daily on it.
@@FauxHammer that wasn't the point, you clearly have little experience with wide range of industrial interfaces if you complain about stuff like this ALL manufacturers are quirky, usually you learn one control and it creates the "perfect" image in your brain, and all consecutive interfaces seem wrong, it gets worse as we age I was almost laughing listening to your rant about the UI, it is such a typical 1st world thing, almost expected you to then add a serious side note that all that is subjective same with that release screw handle, you complain about it like you have to do it every single minute, ok, maybe you have 100 printers doing 100min prints and you DO have to fiddle with that screw every single minute, and the fact that latch is 3 second operation and screw is 5 second operation makes a big difference, but as an engineer I'll tell you - in that environment, where you have fumes, those rubbers used for those mounts, I'd rather have the screw than a latch that may not have adjustability option, so when the rubber gets harder, you lose some of the smoothness and holding strength then the manual lift option you said it doesn't have, just watched few other Creality videos and this same model does seem to have manual Z feed option, so perhaps RTFM? or maybe it is just an "undocumented feature", but I saw one reviewer rise it manually in 1 or 10mm increments which brings me to screws, they look to be m4, maybe m5 size, so basically - finger tight, not palm tight, finger tight, I have repaired a bunch of broken screws, stripped heads, stripped threads, maybe you got unlucky with that screw and it was machined not to 75% standard perhaps, but I doubt it, considering the rest of complains I'm inclined to think you're a bit of a diva, and nobody has time to answer 25 questions for a product with such small margin, had it been a 2000 or 20000$ purchase, sure, but I can tell you - even 200 000$ cnc machine support operators have limits on how much time they can hold your hand, and you pretend to be experienced reviewing all these printers so - be reasonable, put in a disclaimer at the beginning of a video that all the opinions are subjective, some more than others, else you just come off as a dumb, spoiled cu47, sorry about my French and I'm not affiliated with them, nor with any other company, I just don't like this sort of highly subjective reviews that pretend to be objective p.s. calibration paper sheet supposedly is in the same envelope as the replacement release film, probably would be great to include such info in manual or on the envelope, I agree
I was actually about to pull the trigger on one of these creality printers but your video reminded me why my old one is sitting in a corner of the room catching dust.
They at least got the Flip Lid Better than Elegoo...why is there no handle or a small gap for the Fingers?! oh and the Included Air Exhaust fan is nice (had to order something from China for my S4U since it has a weird diameter which is not rly a thing in germany)
I kinda get that Creality will always have a place of sorts because your first printer was one of theirs. The same applies for me. However: after several extremely shitty contacts with their support, I've written them off. They need to fix some serious issues and come out on top for me to give them a new chance. Their app is rubbish, the support is unworthy of the name, documentation is non-existent. The only things Creality had going for them (back in the days) was the ender and CR series that were a value deal... Which grew a huge community due to the easy modding. The community plugged the holes in support and documentation for them. I understand you can't just ignore Creality due to their market share, but please don't bend yourself backwards to try to find something positive to say. That's not how any of this should work. Thanks for the review!
Creality won’t be getting any dollar bucks from me, I have a Mars 2 pro and once the wife isn’t looking a will probably get another Elagoo type printer. Also Bravely Sir Robin ran away
I'm glad I choose Elegoo over Creality, just the simplified user experience alone makes the choice for me. The strange bed leveling behavior breaking the pump on the Pro model just screams of poor design or thoughtless design and it seems to carry over to everything they do on their resin printers. I certainly cant see myself purchasing a single resin printer from Creality. Also if they aren't willing to listen to Ross and his fair criticism they certainly wont hear a single word a customer would have to say. Easy pass now and going forward. Great review as always Ross and you are the best Resin Printer reviewer on RUclips hands down. Maybe Creality does better with FDM printing but thats not my thing and they can keep it. Return this crap machine Ross and don't feel bad for one second about it.
I believe dynax mode is a speed up printing mode like elegoos new fast mode but it soubss like it sacrifices quality big time but i get a feeling this is a loaded question 😂😂😂😂😂 Creality is very very out of touch with where there competition and what people want. Only thing i like is the built in filter/extractor with the hose since when the filter stops working at least it pumps the full smell out still I onoy just brought my first printer and ive spent 6 months researching, comparing, watching reviews on every printer, watching what youtubers are using for what I want one for. I have to admit these guys lost me almost at the start of my journey because it feels like they are at least 2 generations behind everyone else but think there brand is worth a premium price for some reason. If they fixed a few things and added heated vat and a few ui upgrades and software features like multi exposure tests to speed up calibration and also get the price down more it would be a top contender but they aren't even competition for the other brands anymore lol
I Believe Dynax Mode is: A key that unlocks..or rather unobstructs access to/visibility of print parameter categories or valid parameter Min or Max values...and also obey those parameters. 8mm lift height anybody? I *think* Dynax Mode at least used to (pro vs non-pro) required a different motor..perhaps screw assembly..which at the time appeared to have a seperate output on the board for. Short form: I believe Dynax Mode is: A software gate feature key to enable Producing a feature and price tierd product line while maximizing the economy of mass production by allowing them to literally make the guts/hardware of each tier identical in actual capability. Greying out various level of Dyna on lower models(just so the common folk get to see what they are missing). ...but as with everything Creality..it's half baked at best and poorly impliented.
Some day..Try Opening up a Genaric custom printer in Chitu-Box and feed it your LCD parameters etc...see what gets different about our options. IS HALOT = USER RESTRICT MODE ENGAGED😂
I really value that your content is honest. It's not that Creality's machines are *bad*, they're just mediocre in an industry where their competition is fighting between "good" and "great".
creality never cared. they only do 10 half jobs in the same price point like the ender 3v3 where there are 4 identical printers for diffrent prices and try to flood the market. did they ever had any good printer? the ender always were trash, their k1s are trash, all their resins are bad. and their worst thing was always their software
That’s actually a fair point I’ve considered more these last couple of days. I like the K1 series. But they ruined it by making the K1C which told every K1 owner they were just abandoned
@@FauxHammer i had the k1 max, zero support on creality side exept one motor replacement that didn't fix the problem of bad design. Ive only had troubles with it, the QC was horrible and built quality was bad as well. Then when i returned it, they send me an invoice for 200€ for shipping and handling of the returned unit and only paid me 849 of 1049€ back.
I'm new to resin printing but you have great content and are making it way less stressful for me to get into resin printing. I like creality but they need to get back in touch with you for sure great content and great advice. Went with an anycubic photon mono m5 I could have spent more but I want to learn with mostly manual leveling and just go through the trials and tribulations just like I did with my anet a8 and my ender 3 pro. Around 8 years of fdm printing it was long overdue in the resin side of 3d printing.
On the Mage 8K, my bed tightening knob fell apart and the UW-o1 vat seal failed within 5 weeks of purchase. It took over 5 months to get a new seal and they never bothered saying what type the bolt was or replaced it. They are good at ignoring user questions/requests as well. My lid was covered internally with resin very quickly, as a newby I was more than disconcerted and felt that I was doing something wrong. They have lost my brand faith and loyalty unfortunately with me looking elsewhere for a larger printer now.
I do like it when the resin works or isn't too brittle but so far I'm printing whole 1/35th tanks. Having issues around the new supports package in Lychee using looaaaddds of resin. Size is the main issue now so looking at the Sat4 Ultra.
Got a M5 wing knob for the build plate but support from Creality is let's say interesting. Free compensation resin turns into a voucher, replacement seals for a totally different wash tub, and then a random 500 bottle of Std resin drops. I'm using water wash now due to the wife not liking smells. I used to be a Quality Manager of a foundry chemical factory so solvents are my friends lol. Keep smiling Ross, love the channel. I also sold my first design today so happy
I wish i had seen this video about a week and a half ago. I purchased a halot mage when my creality LD-006 had the fep film break and spill resin all over printer and im certain got inside it too (still not sure and im not sure about paying for a replacement FEP film to confirm it). So i saw it was on sale saw that the plate was bigger and "better" so i tbought hell yeah. Ordered it and it was on my doorstep a few days later. Set up was easy and the test model one of the ones on the included usb printed like a charm so i printed one of the models my wifes been asking me to get printed for her. That one failed in a way that said somehow the bed was not leveled. Releveled the bed tried again. That failed too. So did it again and this time nothing printed on the plate which was even more odd. Cleaned the plate off pulled the vat out and did the "correct" way (use the paper method to level). Went into the slicer increased my initial layers and (exposure time was already at 30 seconds for intial layers) tried again. Same damn issue nothing sticking to the bed. So Saturday after getting home from some house hunting with my wife i tried to relevel the bed one more time. Took out everything cleaned all of the stuff and thats when i found out the home button stopped the bed 2.2mm from where my vats film was. There is no easy way to reset the 0 other than open up the printer and hit a switch. I was livid because my LD-006 worked for me and this came off as a better version of that printer. So i finally said screw this made a return order put everything back in the box it came and sent it back for my refund. Ive got a Saturn 4 ultra in the mail now and im done with creality. I hope they go out of businesses for this amount of incompetence.
@@FauxHammer thanks for the review Ross, like I said I returned the printer two days ago so I'm still salty and I run a small 3d printing company for tabletop minis and terrain. So when stuff that I need to rely on doesn't work at the most basic layer that I can't keep up with or god forbid an unexpected surge in demand it really sets me off.
@@tillerzeit I completely understand, I was being somewhat flippant. I totally get you bro and they need to do better, becasue they are loosing people becasue of stuff like this!
My mage pro sucks ass the pump is slower than a month of Sundays and changing the screen if you can even find one is the hardest thing I have ever done on any resin or fdm printer
What I don't understand is why Creality has not replied back to you? I've worked with tons of businesses & the #1 advice they've all abided by was "COMMUNITY". If there's someone doing a thorough test & putting your product through the ringer & giving out HONEST opinions & experience, never take that for granted, you're ignoring a customer. Especially a customer with 65k subscribers on RUclips, keep in mind that customers often provide reviews on websites, their personal social media sites, etc & OTHER CUSTOMERS READ THEIR EXPERIENCE. No one on the face of this earth is willing to spend money on anything that costs $200+ & have a bad experience. Get it together Creality, there's always forgiveness from both parties, we're all in this together.
I absolutely love how you and Six never pull your punches. Calling a spade a spade in times when other creators are following a paycheck makes the both of you a more trusted source, especially when the common goal is making the experience easier and better.
I actually had a chat with Six before I made this video and commended him on his great one! Amazing channel and one I’m happy to work in support of!
Dynax Mode is a temporary transformation affecting Pokémon that was introduced in Generation VIII and is exclusive to Pokémon Sword and Shield. It grants Pokémon tremendous strength and size and allows them to use powerful moves called Max Moves. A variant of this phenomenon called Gigantamax further alters the appearance of Pokémon and gives them access to exclusive G-Max Moves.
So what are EX pokemon? And are we talking PTCG or Game?
It seems that Creality does not understand that getting rid of honest reviewers to protect a bad product is not going to work. In the long run they will only end up with a couple of reviewers with bad reputations who support them and they will still have a bad product and also their own reputation will be destroyed.....BAD BUSINESS
LOL, love the symbolic reverse unpacking at the end... I guess we know where that printer is headed back to.😂
@enrique7934 No, he means, the unpacking, played in reverse....
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Ive retired my halot mage 8k..My next resin printer will be the Saturn 4 Ultra. But , im really loving my Sovol SV08..just printed my first helmet on it and damn its fast
I had the Halot mage and I think I had 3 successful prints out of it before the screen just up and died
Sigh, im still waiting for my sv08 AND my saturn 4 ultra.
@@xx8arn3ybeastxx55bummer my halot mage has been pretty cool
Let them have it, Ross, but remember that they're still one of the big dogs in the industry and try not to make it personal. They really needed to bring the A-game this time with Elegoo releasing the Saturn 4 Ultra for $400 and Mars 5 Ultra for $279, both with tilting bed mechanism. These printers have no significant flaws that I can see and the S4U at least is a joy to use. I'm still waiting for the delivery of the two M5U's I ordered. I'm having to adjust my workflow from the S3U because of how quickly prints complete, and my post process now includes air drying after the rinse in denatured alcohol thanks to your advice, so timing is even more critical. But my what beauties the S4U is turning our using Sunlu ABS-like resin. I just printed out the Loot Studios welcome pack (minus the tavern) and the details are exquisite. More to add to my pile of shame.
I own a K1 Max and an Ender 3 V2, so I have a stake in Creality I guess you'd say. But integrity matters, and I'm glad you are intent on keeping yours brother.
I wouldn't say they have no significant flaws.. frankly Elegoo's plate design and solution for auto zeroing are both messy and prone to failure. That said, I think most of the rest (tilt mech included) of the features are a marked improvement from previous generations of hardware, and most people will have good results with them.
You reviewed only 60 printers. Pff. No wonder they wont take your opinions on board. Ha ha ha . Seriously though, you think these companies would want hard, matter of fact reviews, if it means the company can make a better one. I cant wait to see the next Uniformation release. I got a email of a pending release today!
It is evident that they will respond when their sales decline. Until then, they will continue to release the same subpar machines with minor upgrades or, more accurately, side-grades.
Hey Ross, your party was awesome!
I honestly thought after the travesty that was the Mage pro, they would actually do that here. I half suspect the reason this looks so similar is because they already made so many chassis for the last one and it undersold they had no choice but to use them all again here.
I'm just so disappointed in them for doing this again, It's so misleading. surely some of this is borderline criminal to do?
just looking at their product page, I can see so many incorrect statements
-Infallible Quality Prints - no, mine both failed to live up to the quality the screen is capable of, and failed to print (they should look up the word infallible)
-Smart and User-friendly Features - how, smart features include intelligent sensing features, this has none. and user friendly is the opposite of what this UI is. they don't even explain their functions anywhere.
- Excellent Software and Accessories - I mean, the video said it all in response to this!
And that is just the opening lines.
Are these lies? can these be taken as lies? i suppose the statements are too subjective.
Here we go... After countless hours this is what I have collected.
I own the Mage and 2 Mage pro models. I have started to use the pro on in the last 2 weeks even though I have owned it since it was released. The mage was just deathly slow. After trying to communicate with Creality techs (who were rude and unknowledgeable/ I have the email traffic to prove it) I gave up because it NEVER reached the speeds they advertised. The print quality was great if you were willing to wait longer than any other printer (even my OG Mars upgraded)
The pro model has been horrible. I am extremely experienced in resin printing. I'm retired and still able bodied mostly so I have the brain power and time. First and foremost I print cones of calibration. Failed 90% of the models. Most models would fail at layer 20/21. I know this for a fact because I have an expensive micrometer. Two instances would occur. 1- layer 20/21 will delaminate and the proceding layers will adhere to the film. 2. Pulling force will be SO GREAT that the model will be pulled from the build plate and adhere solely to the film. This is my understanding of the occurance and possible reasons. I believe that slicing models in anything except Halot box will create a 50+micron gap (at layer 21) causing print failure without a build plate adhesion loss. If you are lucky (and I really do mean that) do to over exposure (15%+) your larger models will continue to print but will slip because layer 20-21 or 21/22 will only adhere near the center of the build plate. Very small models (aprox 4mm+ diameter) have a 50-60% chance of being fully intact no issues. If you over expose the print by 15%+ then you will lose significant detail but have better chances of non-failure. I say it like this because I still have yet to have 100% success on a single build plate.
Dynax mode... Here goes...
It is the software reading the next layer of pixels in comparison to the previous layer and then slamming the gas pedal on speed with complete disregard to decency. Sorry I had to throw that in. And guess when this really kicks in? That's right!!! Layer 21... At least that is what I believe. I watched my pro slap chop it's way into my heart 30+ times over and over… failure after failure... And when my exposure was 0.9s it would be on the build plate. When it was 1.0-1.1s it would rip clean off the build plate and be stuck to the included "high speed film."
Dynax plus is essentially Doc Brown taking Marty back to meet his parents and screw up the time line cuz LORD that thing will 1000% always rip it off the build plate. Let me be clear. These are mostly testing the cones of calibration I'm referring to. So it is consistent and singular variable changes at a time. Needless to say there are serious issues with the firmware (oldest and most current). I tested both. I have read and agree with what most of applies to the Halot Mage series from "sn4k3". (UVtools) And to make matters worse for Creality, sn4k3's eeprom dump has been blocked from working on the Halot Mage series FW so there is no way to see what the gcode is doing or even what it is capable of. If anyone has gotten this the eeprom to dump please msg me.
I refuse to give up. I am not happy with creality but there are so many of us that have sunk hard earned money into these machines. It is capable of great prints but I am 100% positive the key starts at the default gcode line by line.
Also... The " light off delay" function... Doesn't work right. sn4k3 talks about it with detailed math. If you turn it up to 3s it will help but not a guarantee to achieve success on a print. At this point I'm praying. I'm testing more as I type this but God may just be laughing at me at this point.
Having seen what Creality achieved in the FDM side over my last 10 years in the hobby I feel that we are going to be continually disappointed with the progress they make.
Creality just seems to not do much more innovation these days and just ride the brand recognition they have from the earlier FDM days.
My personal tinfoil hat theory is that because they didn't win the "race to the bottom" (Make it as cheap as possible) as they did in the FDM space they have almost given up the idea of a large market share in the Resin space, Thus the lack of investment in making advancements besides the generic screen "Upgrades" we get each release cycle, Not like they do much innovation in the FDM space anymore.. , But hey that's just an opinion from someone who's had a far too many Creality FDM machines during the hobby XD
Creality won't change, they don't care.
Friends don't let friends buy Creality.
"Im not trying to rob you " ... Brilliant use of a movie quote! Well done 👏
bro this printer is trash
Im sure your birthday party will still be well attended regardless of creality.
Ive yet to see a creality product that ive been impressed with...
Creality just live in their own world like many other 3d printing companies from china. To build good printer isn't something difficult or expensive (bambu lab) . It seems they have heir own physics that is way diffrent from us, different gravity, temperature and many more.... is weird for me...
Yep, it’s weird. It’s like they don’t want money.
I’ve bought 3 printers based on your reviews and all the reviews have been spot on with pro’s and cons and I’m super happy with each recommendation. Which I will not be even looking at the direction of Creality.
The tile has non standard english phrasing which makes me hate it without watching it! Please.....my brain is bleeding!
My first printer was a Creality resin it broke within 30 days. I will never own another one.
Who even cares about Creality when we have
ELEGOO MARS 4 ULTRA
Fair point. but a closer comparison would be Saturn
Thanks for the honesty, wish more people did honest reviews. Ding shills. I'm going to buying my first resin printer in September or at Christmas and I won't even consider getting a Creality or any of their products now. Stuff them.
I believe Dynex is a high-end rinse and spin process in my dishwasher. I set it to Dynex = "on" to get off those stubborn bits. 😊
Hahahah. I still haven’t got an answer that’s not a joke. And I love every one of them!
Another good review, appreciate the honesty and transparency.
It feels like Creality are not run by engineers but accountants. At least the decisions are prioritising profit/cost cutting over quality etc. (cheaper to tack on features in the app) or spend time fine tuning lift settings and all that.
Once again, the software guys seem to have never used the hardware themselves. This is such a common theme on 3D printers (FDM and resin).
You're KILLIN' me, smalls. Where's that GK3??
Although I still use a vintage Phrozen Sonic Mini 4K for resin stuff, I enjoy your reviews and this one is particularly juicy. I have bad feelings about Creality caused by an Ender 3 Pro that apparently defied every quality control check. What a monstrous piece of junk that was. Yes, I know it was an FDM printer, but it's cursed the brand name for me forever. If Creality offered a magical golden bulletproof twat for 25¢ (US) I probably wouldn't buy it
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Love your content! I’m amazed at how many issues creality managed to fit into this poor printer.
I had 6 different creality prints. 4 resin and 2 fdm. I had many ridiculous issues with every single one of them. I've sold most and will never use their printers again. They. Are. Ass.
Jesus lord, this printer is a piece of junk. Thank you for taking the hit and buying one to review so that others don't make the mistake of buying it.
I sent it back. That is one saving grace, they let me have a refund. And I never sent the camera back either
I bought a Halot One years ago as my first resin printer.
It was a nightmare and almost put me off resin printing.
I then bought a Mars 2 Pro, and Elegoo are now my go to and I won't touch Creality.
I replaced my CR-6SE with a Neptune 3 Plus and again I won't ever go back to Creality.
I believe Dynax is a marketing gimmick that doesn't work. Yeah, I'll admit I didn't read the manual, but that's what my first impression was, and it was close enough.
I'm honestly saddened to see that a company that used to be so beloved in the 3d printing industry is just doing the "slap a sticker on it and screw fixing any issues" thing, but they've been doing it for so long with tiny little updates here and there (just look at the Ender 3, with it's six bajillion revisions, and so many silent ones) that I don't even get disappointed when I see yet another box that doesn't work properly, and has fewer features and a worse UI than my Mars 2 Ultra.
I believe dynax mode is a bullshit marketing ploy to actively hamper your settings so you think you get something great when you enable it.
dynax mode off = only max values? what? Is that why it splashes so much?
some features unlocked with dynax mode (but still hampered)
All featuers unlocked with dynax+ but your prints will not look as pretty.
Basically 3 shitty settings of which none goes on to explain what it does (lift speeds, off time, etc), just be aware its very userfriendly (?)
The Reviews are really helpful, seems that when releasing a new model or ‘MK2’ many manufacturers are just not listening to users. Do I need to upgrade, right now for what I need,no. BTW, the machine is called Halot, I’m reading an extra ‘R’ in there.
I believe Dynamax increases the speed of the print while unlocking certain options.
EDIT: What the fuck?
I believe Dynax mode is maybe the Maximum Modus of this 3D printer 😂🤔
I believe Dynax mode is…..glorious potato
@fauxhammer My reply function seems to be bugged: Uniformation announced today the GK3Ultra lineup
Thanks for the reviews and all the efforts you and other YT creators put into making these videos. Im very experienced in FDM but never owned a resin printer so your experience in considering printers is both a valuable and appreciated resource for those of us looking to make a purchase (which to be honest wont be any of the creality lineup at this point in time). I live in SE Asia, and im also British, so sarcasm runs through my viens and it goes into hyper mode when we see plainly stupid mistakes (multiple times) and as you rightly pointed out, when companies dont want to listen to their customers, let alone take the proactive and professional approach to ask users how to make better products and services. It's tough to be fair when you're infuriated. I was chuckling to myself when i saw this video pop up, as i had just pressed the button on a competitors printer having come to a conclusion early today (thanks in part to your multiple reviews) to stay away from Creality resin printers. Thank you sir.
Creality was good for one printer: the original ender 3. Not because it was a good printer, but because it was cheap. Creality doesnt make good quality products and never has. They make knockoffs that are cheap and just barely work enough that it isnt a straight up scam.
Printer manufacturers when asked to make sensible firmware changes: impossible.
This printer was such a disappointment for sure. Great swingy door, inbuilt vent, but no innovation and just ridiculous firmware.
Great job on this review and going as deep on the settings as you did! Cant have been fun.
Hopefully Creality get the message and turn their next Halot Mage into a printer worth its price tag.
Also I'll see if I can get you in contact with the rep I deal with as they seem happy to continue talking to me even though I recommend viewers spend their money elsewhere 😂
Thanks Brother, and yeah, little about this was fun at all. though I obviously relish a little in the smugness that I have the freedom to say all this. But I pray they get the message from the community of people buying, or not buying these.
I would love Creality to step up and compete, they have the money, but they just don't seem organised enough to get this right. The company clearly needs to work on communication internally and externally. Tech's should actually listen to the marketing team...
If you would like to try to put me in touch with your rep, I'd love to talk to them again and offer any help that I can. But if their name begins with J, that's likely the guy who told me he had left the company...
I have a mage (non-pro), and it’s been a fantastic work horse, that said, I want a Saturn Ultra for my next one. It seems the add ons is what took it from a dependable printer to garbage.
If I hadn’t had loot studios for years, I’d totally get them and get a commission. They are amazing! HIGHLY recommend.
Wow, I've used over a half-dozen resin printers over the last few years and never seen anything as moronic as the Creality z-axis controls. This printer looks to have some decent qualities but then they do something pants on head stupid like that. It's no wonder they have struggled to build market share.
I always found creality resin printers as just a side project for them because why not to get a couple sales from the people that buy Enders. But now that Bambu is here and destroying them in every category unless you need a really big FDM printer they are going to have to get their crap together or die.
Creality has always been a steaming pile of random poop. There's never any rhyme or reason in any of their products. It's like a different person designs each product, in their own bubble.
“Bum hole twitchingly close” might be the funniest phrase I’ve heard on RUclips this week 🤣
I've seen people review the Halot Mage more favourably than yourself, so I was thinking about picking up the 8k Mage, but after seeing this review, coupled with your last one, there's no way I'll be touching their resin machines. You are absolutely right, there are other machines in the same price bracket that are just streets ahead of this.
Thanks for your honest and thorough reviews. I've delved into a ton of your videos when thinking about picking up a new resin machine and will be sure to use one of your links once I've decided.
I have an 8k mage (non pro) you can select multiple retract speeds when slicing in lychee. It's been a slow and steady workhorse for me!
A lot of people say the non-pro mate is very different to these new ones. I've never had one.
i love mine PRO - and use it with Lychee PRO also
i have a 2024 model PRO and it is not the same as the early model Pro. mine actually has handles on the Vat, and the Carbon filter IS bolted down like the S has.
it has a pour spout on the vat that apparently some of the early Pro's do-not. it also has the DYNAX+ firmware that comes with the new S model.
(i dont use Dynax+ over plain Dynax, but its there. apparently it makes the light 120% vs 100%. so all your settings get screwed and have to learn them all over)
i did not know they made these and several other changes until after i got mine. but im really glad i got it when it did and not sooner.
and i yes, i use my resin pump - A LOT. its really not that hard to clean. just run alcohol thru it from a shot glass into a solo cup. then when im ready to fill up the vat, i usually pour it in first, then pump OUT a shot glass worth, then connect it to the 2kg bottle for when i need more later (auto fill works great).
the only real problem is that i have come close to clipping off my resin pump spout like HE did in the OG video.
but i just made a spacer for the BP and moved it forward 1/4" and no more problems. EVER. and still have LOTS OF ROOM to print with.
the only thing i see diff from the 2024 Mage Pro and the 2024 Mage S is the "Resolution" and the etching on the build plate. THAT ALL !!
other than that - mine is I-FREAKIN-DENTICAL.
I do hate how the video time lapse system works tho.... such vomit. lol
i also have an ENDER 3 MAX NEO and freakin LOVE IT. i upgraded the filament drive to a direct drive and got a Sonic Pad, and now its awesome !!
the videos are stored on it vs creality cloud.
Comment so Ross can buy more Legos to play with his friends and not with SSBBF not invited to his bday party
I have completely given up on everything made by Creality. I don't even take their review items anymore.
I love how the regular halot mage has THE SAME UI as the LD002H and its all the better for that
Thanks for giving Creality the words they truly deserve, good job.
Thanks for listening
This review is why I watch this channel. I need printers for my company and I prefer to pay with money than time. So i ended up with 4 Bambu Lab printers for filament and are waiting for a Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra. I need something that just works, the rest is just a bonus.
personal experience with elegoo, they are crap. not even 1 month of use and the plate went only up, open the machine, bring the plate down, try again. and again only up. from support said they need to send it to R&D as they have no clue, decided to return that machine and get a phrozen 8k mighty with upgrade kit (this was all in january-february) since then the phrozen works solid
Creality is falling behind on resin and FDM printers. I thought it was funny that the ad that ran during this video was a Creality one.
had been eyeing this. I have the stqandard halot mage, I did like it but this thing looks like a mess, yeah no. thanks for the review Faux.
And this is why I won't buy a Creality K2 Plus. I'm so done with this company.
Dynax+ is effectively the 11 on a Spinal Tap Marshall amp
Thank you for this honest review. I have a FDM printer and can't fault my ender 3 Pro, and I was looking at creality for my first resin printer, but I'll skip this now. Thanks for saving me from wasting my money.
Happy to help
Might be a stupid comment, but why do you need to fill up the vat for a small model or a test
can't imagine how many issues that this printer has.... You would think they have been in the 3D printing market for long, their machines should be well made & designed. But apparently not. Thank you for your honest review, I will go for an Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra..
Good call. And thanks!
I can see why Creality doesn't contact you... you keep pointing out all of their stupid choices. Do the people at Creality who design the printer actually use them? There seems to be quite a bit of lazy, janky, and poorly implemented features. Personally I have never considered Creality when choosing a printer.
From the times I’ve spoken with them the engineers “seem” to be arrogant pricks and the guys in marketing are doing their best to sell turds
Thank you for this video. I try so hard to like Creality. I have some FDM printers from them but they don't care about us. I preordered the Elegoo Mars 5 Ultra Resin printer and I think I made a better decision than Creality's machines.
yes you did
Come on. Ali express app is better than the creality 🤣
whats best pick for a resin printer ? something that actually allows you to tweak all its settings even if you have to edit the firmware , must be Linux compatible , highest resolution and most height
I guess it's down to the user. if you want to tweak and tinker with settings sure, you would wnat w printer that lets you tweat it;s settings. but since most people don;t know how to tweak the settings for their benefit or even what most settings do. Why would they not take a printer where all the settings are predetermined and offer incredible results?
It really felt like you were trying to find a redeeming value in this printer, but it never provided one to you. I agree the design is nice, but the user experience. 🤮
Also, birthday party for making it to the end!! Lol
Well said! And thanks!!! It’ll be fun!
@FauxHammer could you upload a film or short about how it looks like with Dynax mode set to 100 mm/s ? Must look hillaries
Check my Mage Pro review where it snapps the spout off the resin pump! there you go. used to move down at that speed too!
I've owned a Creality product for about 1.5 years now, and i'll never buy any of their junk ever again.
Fair! I love your profile pic
are there any better alternatives with similar built volume in term of print quality and user experience, but not Saturn 4Ultra (I hate that vat 🙈) ?
Normal Saturn 4. Anycubic M7. Saturn 3, Saturn 3 Ultra. GKTWO. there's loads of 10" printers mate, all are better than this.
I've had SO many problems getting prints out of my Halot Mage. I'm almost ready to get rid of it.
what resin are you using ??
i have a Mage Pro and get lots of good print out of mine.
i still get some fails, but more goods than bads.
i mostly use Sunlu ABS. its very forgiving.
this is my ABS settings.
30um
15-30sec burn. (depends on bottom thickness)
3sec norm
6 bot layers
6 trans layers
3-5mm L.Dist
60>240 / 240>60 mm/m L-SPD (both top and bot)
Toughness is bout the same.
10sec burn and 5sec layer
They stopped talking to you too?
They’ve started again after this video
Can I come to your birthday 🎉?
@fauxhammer Have you the GK3Ultra cooking up?
Never Heard of it, unless they announced the name, which I'm sure they haven't. But if such a printer exists, I'll have a video out on announcement day
the amount of times you brought up you not being bitter and how they stopped talking to you makes you sound bitter lmao. One time in a the beginning and end is enough i promise lmao
lol, so you missed the end where I admitted this?
I’m watching this and trying to understand this companies blatant crappiness… I suspect they may be owned by a much larger parent company who needs a write off. OR they have the ability to literally “throw” these together and know they will sell just enough to make it worth their while… Regardless, thank you for doing the deep dive so everyone knows why they should buy….. just about any other printer on the market. I won’t even pimp the GK Two again (whoops. I messed that up didn’t I ? 😂)
It has maybe like 3 minor solvable hardware issues but the software is absolutely horrid
Yep, all fixable, but they won’t/cant
100% agree. The soft metal of the build plate bracket is a huge problem. I've run a decent size print farm for 5 years and have used many printers .....my bracket stripped in the first week of owning the mage
I’m so glad someone has validated this!
@@FauxHammer 5 years of running a farm with at least 10 printers in it. I've gone through many many machines. I bought this one December and I only figured out what was going on last month. I had to use oversized self-tapping machine screws to keep the bed level..... I also struggled using lychee slicer for months until I just gave up and started using the creality slicer.
I will admit though, now that those huge problems are worked out. I'm getting beautiful prints daily on it.
completely fair and unbiased review - proceeds to then rant subjective review of UI for 10 minutes or so 🤣
(this was about the mage pro)
tell me I'm wrong and this printer is good... go on...
But then do it with a straight face and tell me what you are comparing it to.
@@FauxHammer that wasn't the point, you clearly have little experience with wide range of industrial interfaces if you complain about stuff like this
ALL manufacturers are quirky, usually you learn one control and it creates the "perfect" image in your brain, and all consecutive interfaces seem wrong, it gets worse as we age
I was almost laughing listening to your rant about the UI, it is such a typical 1st world thing, almost expected you to then add a serious side note that all that is subjective
same with that release screw handle, you complain about it like you have to do it every single minute, ok, maybe you have 100 printers doing 100min prints and you DO have to fiddle with that screw every single minute, and the fact that latch is 3 second operation and screw is 5 second operation makes a big difference, but as an engineer I'll tell you - in that environment, where you have fumes, those rubbers used for those mounts, I'd rather have the screw than a latch that may not have adjustability option, so when the rubber gets harder, you lose some of the smoothness and holding strength
then the manual lift option you said it doesn't have, just watched few other Creality videos and this same model does seem to have manual Z feed option, so perhaps RTFM? or maybe it is just an "undocumented feature", but I saw one reviewer rise it manually in 1 or 10mm increments
which brings me to screws, they look to be m4, maybe m5 size, so basically - finger tight, not palm tight, finger tight, I have repaired a bunch of broken screws, stripped heads, stripped threads, maybe you got unlucky with that screw and it was machined not to 75% standard perhaps, but I doubt it, considering the rest of complains I'm inclined to think you're a bit of a diva, and nobody has time to answer 25 questions for a product with such small margin, had it been a 2000 or 20000$ purchase, sure, but I can tell you - even 200 000$ cnc machine support operators have limits on how much time they can hold your hand, and you pretend to be experienced reviewing all these printers
so - be reasonable, put in a disclaimer at the beginning of a video that all the opinions are subjective, some more than others, else you just come off as a dumb, spoiled cu47, sorry about my French
and I'm not affiliated with them, nor with any other company, I just don't like this sort of highly subjective reviews that pretend to be objective
p.s. calibration paper sheet supposedly is in the same envelope as the replacement release film, probably would be great to include such info in manual or on the envelope, I agree
The only word I can think of to describe this printer is "sloppy."
That’s pretty accurate
I was actually about to pull the trigger on one of these creality printers but your video reminded me why my old one is sitting in a corner of the room catching dust.
They are the prettiest paperweights out there
@@FauxHammer Actually have a model of John Wick sitting on top of it, on a printed turn table that's USB powered.
They at least got the Flip Lid Better than Elegoo...why is there no handle or a small gap for the Fingers?! oh and the Included Air Exhaust fan is nice (had to order something from China for my S4U since it has a weird diameter which is not rly a thing in germany)
Where to find this Heavy Knight figure at 25:24?
Couldn't find it in the links in the description...or i'm to dumb.
Sorry, that one comes on the printer
@@FauxHammer Dammit, thats a nice one 😉
I kinda get that Creality will always have a place of sorts because your first printer was one of theirs. The same applies for me.
However: after several extremely shitty contacts with their support, I've written them off. They need to fix some serious issues and come out on top for me to give them a new chance.
Their app is rubbish, the support is unworthy of the name, documentation is non-existent.
The only things Creality had going for them (back in the days) was the ender and CR series that were a value deal... Which grew a huge community due to the easy modding.
The community plugged the holes in support and documentation for them.
I understand you can't just ignore Creality due to their market share, but please don't bend yourself backwards to try to find something positive to say. That's not how any of this should work.
Thanks for the review!
Creality won’t be getting any dollar bucks from me, I have a Mars 2 pro and once the wife isn’t looking a will probably get another Elagoo type printer. Also Bravely Sir Robin ran away
I'm glad I choose Elegoo over Creality, just the simplified user experience alone makes the choice for me. The strange bed leveling behavior breaking the pump on the Pro model just screams of poor design or thoughtless design and it seems to carry over to everything they do on their resin printers. I certainly cant see myself purchasing a single resin printer from Creality. Also if they aren't willing to listen to Ross and his fair criticism they certainly wont hear a single word a customer would have to say. Easy pass now and going forward. Great review as always Ross and you are the best Resin Printer reviewer on RUclips hands down.
Maybe Creality does better with FDM printing but thats not my thing and they can keep it. Return this crap machine Ross and don't feel bad for one second about it.
I believe dynax mode is a speed up printing mode like elegoos new fast mode but it soubss like it sacrifices quality big time but i get a feeling this is a loaded question 😂😂😂😂😂
Creality is very very out of touch with where there competition and what people want. Only thing i like is the built in filter/extractor with the hose since when the filter stops working at least it pumps the full smell out still
I onoy just brought my first printer and ive spent 6 months researching, comparing, watching reviews on every printer, watching what youtubers are using for what I want one for. I have to admit these guys lost me almost at the start of my journey because it feels like they are at least 2 generations behind everyone else but think there brand is worth a premium price for some reason. If they fixed a few things and added heated vat and a few ui upgrades and software features like multi exposure tests to speed up calibration and also get the price down more it would be a top contender but they aren't even competition for the other brands anymore lol
I believe Dynax Mode is marketing talk.
Would ah even better if it was
I Believe Dynax Mode is: A key that unlocks..or rather unobstructs access to/visibility of print parameter categories or valid parameter Min or Max values...and also obey those parameters. 8mm lift height anybody? I *think* Dynax Mode at least used to (pro vs non-pro) required a different motor..perhaps screw assembly..which at the time appeared to have a seperate output on the board for.
Short form:
I believe Dynax Mode is: A software gate feature key to enable Producing a feature and price tierd product line while maximizing the economy of mass production by allowing them to literally make the guts/hardware of each tier identical in actual capability. Greying out various level of Dyna on lower models(just so the common folk get to see what they are missing). ...but as with everything Creality..it's half baked at best and poorly impliented.
Taking a look at the word readable text configuration files for the Mage and Mage pro for instance..is confusings as it is interesting
Some day..Try Opening up a Genaric custom printer in Chitu-Box and feed it your LCD parameters etc...see what gets different about our options. IS HALOT = USER RESTRICT MODE ENGAGED😂
I’ll be Hornsby I struggled to read that. But yeah it’s a mess
I really value that your content is honest.
It's not that Creality's machines are *bad*, they're just mediocre in an industry where their competition is fighting between "good" and "great".
creality never cared. they only do 10 half jobs in the same price point like the ender 3v3 where there are 4 identical printers for diffrent prices and try to flood the market. did they ever had any good printer? the ender always were trash, their k1s are trash, all their resins are bad. and their worst thing was always their software
That’s actually a fair point I’ve considered more these last couple of days.
I like the K1 series. But they ruined it by making the K1C which told every K1 owner they were just abandoned
@@FauxHammer i had the k1 max, zero support on creality side exept one motor replacement that didn't fix the problem of bad design. Ive only had troubles with it, the QC was horrible and built quality was bad as well. Then when i returned it, they send me an invoice for 200€ for shipping and handling of the returned unit and only paid me 849 of 1049€ back.
I'm new to resin printing but you have great content and are making it way less stressful for me to get into resin printing. I like creality but they need to get back in touch with you for sure great content and great advice. Went with an anycubic photon mono m5 I could have spent more but I want to learn with mostly manual leveling and just go through the trials and tribulations just like I did with my anet a8 and my ender 3 pro. Around 8 years of fdm printing it was long overdue in the resin side of 3d printing.
On the Mage 8K, my bed tightening knob fell apart and the UW-o1 vat seal failed within 5 weeks of purchase. It took over 5 months to get a new seal and they never bothered saying what type the bolt was or replaced it. They are good at ignoring user questions/requests as well. My lid was covered internally with resin very quickly, as a newby I was more than disconcerted and felt that I was doing something wrong. They have lost my brand faith and loyalty unfortunately with me looking elsewhere for a larger printer now.
Ooof, people typically day that’s a good printer
I do like it when the resin works or isn't too brittle but so far I'm printing whole 1/35th tanks. Having issues around the new supports package in Lychee using looaaaddds of resin. Size is the main issue now so looking at the Sat4 Ultra.
Got a M5 wing knob for the build plate but support from Creality is let's say interesting. Free compensation resin turns into a voucher, replacement seals for a totally different wash tub, and then a random 500 bottle of Std resin drops. I'm using water wash now due to the wife not liking smells. I used to be a Quality Manager of a foundry chemical factory so solvents are my friends lol. Keep smiling Ross, love the channel. I also sold my first design today so happy
Every single printer seems better than this one, honestly
nah. the Mage Pro is worse.... ;)
My 2 printers im leaning towards atm is the mono 7 or s4 ultra. Still waiting for them to age a bit to see how many complaints before I buy
Both are decent. I’m doing a comparison video soon.
@@FauxHammer that's fantastic. Can't wait
I wish i had seen this video about a week and a half ago. I purchased a halot mage when my creality LD-006 had the fep film break and spill resin all over printer and im certain got inside it too (still not sure and im not sure about paying for a replacement FEP film to confirm it). So i saw it was on sale saw that the plate was bigger and "better" so i tbought hell yeah. Ordered it and it was on my doorstep a few days later. Set up was easy and the test model one of the ones on the included usb printed like a charm so i printed one of the models my wifes been asking me to get printed for her. That one failed in a way that said somehow the bed was not leveled. Releveled the bed tried again. That failed too. So did it again and this time nothing printed on the plate which was even more odd. Cleaned the plate off pulled the vat out and did the "correct" way (use the paper method to level). Went into the slicer increased my initial layers and (exposure time was already at 30 seconds for intial layers) tried again. Same damn issue nothing sticking to the bed. So Saturday after getting home from some house hunting with my wife i tried to relevel the bed one more time. Took out everything cleaned all of the stuff and thats when i found out the home button stopped the bed 2.2mm from where my vats film was. There is no easy way to reset the 0 other than open up the printer and hit a switch. I was livid because my LD-006 worked for me and this came off as a better version of that printer. So i finally said screw this made a return order put everything back in the box it came and sent it back for my refund. Ive got a Saturn 4 ultra in the mail now and im done with creality. I hope they go out of businesses for this amount of incompetence.
I would not want to be so unprofessional as to whole hartedly agree with your assessment at the end.
So I'll just say quiet...
@@FauxHammer thanks for the review Ross, like I said I returned the printer two days ago so I'm still salty and I run a small 3d printing company for tabletop minis and terrain. So when stuff that I need to rely on doesn't work at the most basic layer that I can't keep up with or god forbid an unexpected surge in demand it really sets me off.
@@tillerzeit I completely understand, I was being somewhat flippant. I totally get you bro and they need to do better, becasue they are loosing people becasue of stuff like this!
ty for saving me some money not buying this junk.
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Oh shit, it's Creality. Get ready for some jank.
My mage pro sucks ass the pump is slower than a month of Sundays and changing the screen if you can even find one is the hardest thing I have ever done on any resin or fdm printer
What I don't understand is why Creality has not replied back to you? I've worked with tons of businesses & the #1 advice they've all abided by was "COMMUNITY". If there's someone doing a thorough test & putting your product through the ringer & giving out HONEST opinions & experience, never take that for granted, you're ignoring a customer. Especially a customer with 65k subscribers on RUclips, keep in mind that customers often provide reviews on websites, their personal social media sites, etc & OTHER CUSTOMERS READ THEIR EXPERIENCE. No one on the face of this earth is willing to spend money on anything that costs $200+ & have a bad experience. Get it together Creality, there's always forgiveness from both parties, we're all in this together.
I don’t either. Especially since I was told my guy left only to find out weeks later he’s still working there with other peoples.