Home Defense: Pistol, Rifle, or Shotgun?
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- When it comes to home defense, what’s the best firearm choice-pistol, rifle, or shotgun? John "Shrek" McPhee breaks down the pros and cons of each, based on real-world experience.
Shrek shares his personal approach to firearm selection and strategy, explaining why he always starts with his EDC pistol and when a rifle becomes the go-to choice. Whether you’re protecting your home or just looking for practical firearm insights, this video will help you make an informed decision.
What’s your home defense setup? Drop a comment below and subscribe for more!
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I love that he's been in enough fights to think ahead to the drywall repair afterword.
“Great, cops are going to be here half the day with this paperwork. I have shit to do.”
not in a US home he hasnt. It is actually very rare. here.
That would be my concern, why the shotgun is not ideal, also it's going to wake everyone up. Not tidy, mp5, suppressed is the tool for the job, get it done nice and quiet, back to bed and deal with the mess in the morning.
@@WhySoSerious551 🤣
@@WhySoSerious551 that's called "concealment of a homicide" or 'alteration of a death scenee", good for 10 years in prison. Mp5 just another longarm that you wont have when you need a gun and it doesnt hit all that hard, especislly not with subonic ammo. When allowed to cycle normally, a LOT of noise comes out of its breech and eveyone knows what that sound is.
“You’re gonna f@&$ up a chunk of your house…” I laughed way too hard at that.
Thank you for the insights!
I mean i get it, but at the same time, a front doors cheaper than your life
Figures the Delta guy is more worried about the pain in the ass drywall work he’s gonna have to do not whether or he survives the situation. 😂
😂 right?!
Imagine missing with a shotgun though😬
Well, he is pretty damned sure HE is going to survive, its what he does.
@@WhoDarezimagine thinking a shotgun guarantees 100% accuracy
@@JamesF250 haha
whether or not he survives isn't the thing in question, it's the damage that's done before the sitchiation is over.
I like how John has suggestions on home repair after business is taken care of...😂
Unreal! hahahah
I can tell this would be a tough dude to work for. But after you’d be the best at whatever he trained you to do. Legends alive are rare. Keep up the great content please.
Tim Kennedy can tell you all about it!
All veterans who’ve served in theatre are legends genius.
"you're in deep water then"
That was the perfect metaphor for me to hear right now
broke me for a moment, still there, recovery planned in the next few minutes
powerful timing.
Thank you
I love your, "If you got it, lets rock it." No matter what anyone says, end if the day if you get in a gun situation, work it to your best ability.
Your prioritization sequence helps thank you
Bring em to the "deep water" I definitely understand that.
Thank you sir.
For our remote undisclosed location HQ we went with a surplus Vietnam-era backpack tactical nuke from eBay. We bought two (one to make sure they worked - using a simple trip wire to trigger and voila! - it worked). Of course we tested it underwater at a nearby lake so as not to cause a commotion. Additionally, as a side benefit, we caught a lot of the stunned fish in the lake from the blast and had dinner for days. Oddly, they were mostly pre-cooked once we gathered them up.
That means you blew your wad, Johnny. .
Founding Fathers said Rifle, Pistol, Bayonet, and Cannon.
But yes, I’m grabbing my 14.5 if I need to be dynamic with one weapon.
Food for thought though, at 10’ my shotgun’s 00 buck spread is inside C-Zone. 9 pellets one trigger pull. This can shrink with better barrels and ammo. If I’m not going to be Dynamic, and I have something like a stairwell or choke point where I know my shot will stop if I miss, okay. Furthest distance in my house is the entry hall, into the living room, 20’. Everything else is much closer.
Thank you as always, and folks if you didn’t know on SOB TV there is TONS more information on this topic and many others, I’m happy to be a part of the team!
Did you hear Joe Rogan refer to shrek as the “Mayor of Baghdad” in his recent podcast with Bryan callen 😂😂
What minute of the podcast?
Alpha brain not working I guess. 😅
LMAO
Rogan’s become an annoying little dingleberry! IDK how you can watch/listen anymore.
Blown away how much this Channels grown. Great stuff, he’s a really good content creator, in addition to all his other skills..
TY SIR, glad you're on our side !!!
I seen a force on force training video yesterday that opened my eyes. It was Frogman tactical vs his son and his son waxed his ass and they were conducting the training inside his house. Showed me how quick it can go bad and he was a SEAL. Great video John!! But they were actively searching for each other in the house which is something you have said not to do.
I love that messing up the house is a prime consideration! 😂. Like this type of thing happens everyday, so why have to patch more walls than necessary.
WWII vintage flamethrower - only good for 15 seconds full bore - but we never have had a second burglar.
That’s gonna fook up possibly the whole house tho lol.
But your stuff that you protected Inc the house is toasted!😂😂😢😢😮😅
Him laughing.... freaking epic!
So in summary... Whatever you've got, just fuckin rock it.
I love how he is more worried about the damage to his house then the Intruder LOL
Shrek peaks his head through the door with an AR and says "Here's Johnny!" what do you do?
Fill my shorts with fear
💩 myself
Grab my Tops Back Bite and get to work.
Trick question. Its already too late.
I would just request the chocolate chip cookie in my pocket first..
Fuckin brilliant. Your channel never disappoints, concise, to the point, funny. You’ve yet to let me down, I’ve always taken something away from your videos. Keep it up!
18-1/2" cyl bore and 00 buck as primary in the house and around the house out to 30 yds. Rifle secondary and pistol tertiary.
Shotgun pattern at normal room distance should only be roughly canteloupe sized unless you live in a McMansion.
Use what you have, where you are, when you need it.
I like the way John says that if you force him to retreat to where he keeps his rifle, then the intruder is going to be in some pretty deep water! Yeah! The intruder is going to be in deep water with a very "SWITCHED ON" and pissed off great white shark!!!
Shawn Ryan Show brought me here after watching your very enjoyable episode
I tuned in just cause it’s your content . Thanks for making my day brother
The pattern or spread of a 12 gauge at house and hallway distance will more than likely be the size of your a a large hand palm open at the most has been my experience. Love your vids John!
I have a Mossberg Home Defender .12 gauge.
It's loaded and right next to my bed, ready to go if I have to.
But I own my house! LOLLL!
I don't have to worry about the landlord!
😉
John, I wish you could come to my property and tell me how I can do things better to protect myself.
Claymores and trip wires? Land minds? Motion activated belt fed .50?
@@GluteusMaximus808 I like how you think!
@@KarolynVervilleI’m available Monday - Friday, if you need some tactical assistance!
Recommend just getting more training in. Understand the difference between cover and concealment. Train for all types of situations, including malfunctions, combat load, patrol load, shooting with non-dominant side, etc. Being able to manipulate the weapon and shoot during a stressful situation is important. That’s really it.
@@trumpetplyrmatt she wasn’t asking you 🤣
Suppressed 11.5 sbr/ar pistol is a great option for home defense. Throw a WML on there and you're pretty much set. You could take this a step further and get like a 7" or 8" suppressed 300 blackout. Those things are pretty quiet and you won't damage your hearing. A suppressed 11.5 5.56 is still pretty loud indoors but you won't blow your ear drums out. A 300BO with subs is like the same noise as a friggin air rifle or something. They're really quiet.
Rattler with subs and a can for me. Glock by the bed.
wouldn't go under 10 inches with 556. i dont know about 300 blk
keep in mind the terminal ballistics are poor with subsonics in 300BO. Supersonic ammo will do lots more damage. If you are gonna do subsonic, they u may as well just do a .45 pistol with subsonics- the difference in damage is not that big between the 300BO and 45acp with subsonics.
Yeah if I’m having to float sheetrock afterwards that dude may get to live another day 😂
At 0:33 depends on type of training and frequency. Pistol at close range in low light condition is good or bad depending on the operator.
Man, John's the guy you want as a neighbour. 10/10.
I like a 300AAC pistol with subsonic and a can, it's short and easy to use, it had a white light and red dot. My wife knows put the red dot on the threat and the problem goes away.
good point. not loosing your hearing is a big plus...
... are you prepared to never get any of that back the second the cops confiscate it?
@@588hollyyes
@@588hollyyes, who cares
Damn. The red dot makes the threat go away?! I usually have to pull the trigger too! J/K, lol, and all that shit. Nice setup. I've got a shorty AK in that role. Wife and son shoot it well.
16” carbine for maximum velocity which funny enough over-penetrates the least vs other choices. Also it has the most shots by far, mounted light, red-dot (think low light). All the advantages and least over-pen. I’m not a delta-BJJ-ninja so I need all the advantage I can take with me the first time.
Thanks for the vid! I switched back to a rifle since I’d rather have extra ammo left over than to possibly run out when using a shotgun.
Thumbnail was excellent. Sat down for the whole video lmao
Not to worried about bodies in the house. Just worried about how much drywall mud is going to be used. Fucking legend 👏🏻👏🏻🤘🏻
PCC/Subgun for in home? My earmuffs popped off my head firing a 556 from in a car… you know the one we shredded at the event.
Thank you
Shrek please do a video on pros vs cons pistol caliber carbines.
I've kept a winchester m1 carbine handy for years at home.
Really good points and a carbine is versatile too if for some reason trouble spills out the door. Some of us live in rural areas on larger properties. Never really gave much thought to damage from a shotgun. Probably pales in comparison to the cost of the legal poopstorm’s cost however.
My take away.
They all work.
I have the exact same LG monitor, so i'm a Tier 1 youtube viewer now.
All i have is a mk19. I’m rocking it.
🤣🤣🤣
With all due respect to the pro, I disagree on the shotgun. My 18" 20g Remington pump 870 puts a 3" hole in sheetrock at 15ft using #6 birdshot. At 20ft, it's a 6" pattern with a core hole of about 1.5" Penetration of birdshot is 1-1/2 rooms. Buck is 3 rooms. Both do NOT include room where the shot id fired. A 5.56 can easily go through 3 rooms with enough punch to kill someone. So, there is that to consider.
A .38 special, at 920FPS / 2" barrel may go through a wall and into a second room, but have little energy left. That same lead round nose 158 grn bullet shot through a 6" barrel will travel at about 990-1020FPS and can easily injure or kill someone in the second room -if the bullet does not disintegrate along the way.
For those not well trained or shoot infrequently, the shotgun is the King of Home Defense, hands down. Yes, in the hands of someone very familiar with the rifle, it will be extremely effective. But, whether the rifle or shotgun, both need to be aimed from the shoulder and accuracy counts.
Think about it: What house or apt has an open space of more than 18ft? 20 at the max. Most typical American homes are not the 4,000 sq ft barns you see in the real estate rags. At close defense ranges, buck or birdshot is devastating.
Right now, I am sitting with my back to an outside door, 9 ft behind me. The room is 12 feet wide - a former attached garage. I wear a pistol because the shotgun would be too slow to bring into battery. So would a rifle. In fact, if someone actually was successful in kicking in the door, I would be dead before I could spin around a draw. So, that door has been made very secure.
All three types have a role, but the shotgun, used with prior awareness of an attack, is the best solution for most people. Sheet rock repair is easy.
Jus' sayin'
Yeah but Swiss’ing up your wall makes it a great conversation piece.
Thank you. I live in a liberal area, and I’ve talked to grown men more times then you would think about intro gun stuff. I tell them 80% of people survive pistol wounds, and a shotgun is super loud, kicks like a mule and essentially doesn’t form a pattern at close range. I tell them the best option is something you can shoulder that has 30 rounds in it, preferably with a shorter barrel. Pistol or rifle caliber, but rifle is superior.
Thanks for your knowledge John 🤙
He didn't mention the possible carpet/flooring replacement because of it being blood soaked. Just drywall replacement if you miss. 😆 Might have to clean and repaint the walls from blood splatter too. 😉
Something tells me my drywall is gonna be the least of my concerns lol
Great info
Love SOB videos
Its all about the collateral damage and the planning...got make sure the drywall damage is minimal before engaging with the soon-to-be-dead home intruder. lol Gotta love Shrek!!!
Ruger PCC. Small, accurate & heavy af for its size (if you go winchester you can just club 'em like a harp seal). The weight mitigates most of the recoil impulse, so the wife & kids love it. Heavy usually means "sucks," but we're not keeping a f'king Viking raiding party at bay here, right? Also have a CZ Scorpion that was my favorite PCC - until I got this one.
My issue is this; pistol calibers are pretty anemic. Yeah, they'll do the job, but the only reason we use 9mm is because we can't fit 5.56 in a Glock mag. If you're already working around something the size of a rifle, why *not* use the most lethal option possible? A well tuned AR will already have less recoil than most 9mm PCCs. 5.56 is stopped by drywall easier than 9mm. It's more lethal. It's louder, that's a fair point to make, but any gun fired indoors without earpro will be deafening and disorienting.
Use what you have and what you feel comfortable with, that's true, but IMO if I'm choosing a long gun for home defense, it'll be some kind of rifle caliber.
@@KeterMalkuththe sound and blast are the only real reason, but are valid
More please
Love how he is so fixated on the hole size the round will make on the drywall ...LOL!!
As we are trained in the military. "Situation dictates"... He is absolutely correct minus one thing. Use what you are comfortable with. If you have a shotty and never use it and its basically a dust collector.. (Most of my city freinds have a shotty but never shoot it) obviously don't go for the shotty. Poor muscle memory will get you killed. If you train more with an AR type rifle.. She's the winner. Me personally I'm going with the Glock 17/tac light for my immediate contact weapon and if I got range on you like yer in my barn.. oh yer gettin the AK
The realest thing is the drywall repair advice. God forbid you hit a fucking pipe in the wall
Shotgun pattern has almost no spread when fired in the average home even with birdshot
Yeah I’ve never understood people acting like a shotgun spreads so much you don’t have to aim it or you’ll have such an insane spread within most homes. My home has one land to 12.5 yards. At that range with my Vang comp barrel and Fiocchi cheap buckshot I’m at 4.5 inches on paper. If you make it federal flite control 8 pellet (which I use) it’s like 2.5. I pick a shotgun due to less concussion than an AR and less trigger pulls to achieve what I want. To each their own though.
@@cosyfoot7867you had me at 4.5 inches! 😂
I prefer my keltec KSG loaded with 22 aguila mini shells. I’ve patterned it enough and to the point I’m confident that within my home, the spread is manageable. I know I wouldn’t need 22 c shells but it’s very easy for my wife to shoot with the mini shells, she can hit a bowling pin at 25 yards reliably and follow up on a second one with relative ease, which is farther than the longest shot in my home. I like the design of the KSG because it’s closer to the body than a standard pistol shooting position.
Does your KSG have any problem with short stroking? The one I shot had to be racked vigorously to say the least, not sure I would trust a woman to be able to do that in a stressful situation
@ no problems at all. I do know the first iteration had some problems. Having said that, the only short stroking issues I’ve seen with the newer model from others is a training issue. Most people are used to a certain kind of shotgun. It’s a bull pup. Just like bull pup bolt guns have issues when people aren’t used to cycling the bolt next to their face instead of in front of it.
My personal bed side is my 16” AR, Mossberg 12 Gauge, and the Glock 21. Depending on the situation I’ll grab whichever.
When and where would you have a 1911 45? Or would you ever use one at all? For any purpose
Great Info
Pistol, Rifle, or shotgun? Hmm, I'm thinking. Ima go with yes.
Yes rule of 3, if you have two make sure they have a third. Then repeat.
Shotgun Short barrel w/ stock, and flashlight. Shoots a pattern. Greater chance of hitting target. Less chance of going through wall into neighbors. Two hands on it. Greater retention, and can be used as a bludgeon. Sound of chambering a round might be a deterrent.
You’d be surprised how tight shotguns patterns hold. If you live in a mansion, you may have concerns with shotgun pattern spreading, but the average middle class bedroom hallway or living room isn’t big enough to matter. The shot will hold and transfer slug like energy levels.
Remember folks, what we call hell …. Shrek calls home!
***anyone breaking into this guys house is having a bad night, even if he only has a broomstick 😂
(I heard him say it!)
The toothpaste thing was the most valuable thing i got out of this 💪🏻
My current choice is a braced 10.5" ar pistol in 350 legend.
Buen video, gracias y viva México 🇲🇽 😊
I think, maybe it's depends on the property! An appartement, country house, farm or homestead!
I got a bullpup Ks7 12g for home defense, great for cqc
I hate em. I'm sure it will work just fine but Id take anything over a bullpup shotgun
the fits of giggles are just memories coming back .........the toothpaste tip ..........John never needed to peel the foil 😉
Yes, is the answer.
Reminds me of the look on my dads face when he saw all the BB’s stuck in the tongue and groove paneling in me an my brothers bedroom from the red ryders.
Im not former delta so if it ever comes time to defend my own im not worried about drywall just like im not worried about hearing protection
I'm certainly not going to argue with an expert because anything you use that protects your family (and yourself) is okay with me. But a rifle may have unintended consequences, depending on the rifle for home defense. You gotta know your background. Rifle rounds, again depending on the rifle, can penetrate and exit home walls, doors, etc. and into the neighborhood or the next apartment, etc. Shotguns may necessitate the services of a carpenter and drywaller after the fact, but probably not the services of the EMTs...except for the perpetrator.
Thank you, John... "THE SHERIFF OF BAGDAD"👊😉🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍
We live in Canada the only weapon we are allowed is a phone, and wait for the cops. It takes them 30 minutes to get to my house.
O CANADA. The best defence for us is to put up a sign telling where the valuables are. LOL
This dude is worried about the cleanup.. 😆 epic
Hey John been watching you for some time. Love your content. Thank you for your service! Had a question for you. What’s your thoughts on a 32 year old joining the army to get to ranger bat? I’m athletic, great shape, I understand what I’d be getting myself into. If I’m serious and committed, can it be done?
I really think 9mm pcc is perfect HD you have high mag capacity with no recoil and minimal home damage compared to larger caliber .
He’s so sure he’ll win the fight he’s more concerned about patching drywall after the dust settles.
Amusing observations aside, the hole in the drywall is insignificant compared to the loved one who might be behind the drywall. So don’t miss.
Yea……I think I’ll take his advice!
Shawn Ryan ur buddy did a video comparing a pistol shotgun or Sig MPX i think and the choice was the sig because pistols require too much training, shotguns you may not be able to maneuver quick enough
And they’re also one of his biggest sponsors 😂
A properly set up 300 blackout makes the mcx obsolete
It’s awesome YT gave these badasses the reach to teach
When i was a kid a few of us would go over to a friends house. The boys that lived there were brothers and at night we'd all sleep in the same bedroom when we spent the night. There stepdad would usually come home drunk late at night and if we were up playing and making noise he'd just cut lose with his pistol and shoot 3 or 4 holes through the bedroom wall about head high to a grown man or a little higher and yell "you boys shut up and go to bed in there". 😂 Cant remember what caliber or make the gun was but the bullets dam sure always came straight through the wall. I remember feeling pressure come off one when we were jumping on the bed one night. I though i had been hit.
My problem is what do I grab. The list is full spectrum.
The list: Crossbow, Black powder firearms, Spear, Tomahawk's(as in more than one😊), various other cutlery, oooooooooorrrr my regular pistol, or my shotgun or my rifle. Or I just use my big ass hammer. DECISIONS DECISIONS 😊
The spear would be badass 👍
Probably one of the modern guns if you want to make sure you live
Where can I get one of those cool push daggers...💯
What about things behind the wall? Shotgun runs out quick where rifle might go through the wall, wave "hi" as it flies over your kids heads and still goes see the neighbours. I love your take on lots of things but I am not 100% on this one. Learn to fix dry wall and vacuum. Keep every innocent around you as safe as possible. Shotty for the win in my book.
“…kills 98% of what it comes into contact with.” Shotgun it is!! 😂👌🏻
Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, and shotguns you’ll have to pick up body parts with a sponge.
When my dad starts giggling about the hole in the wall!!! 😆😂🤣
The nation needs training by these guys. The Government trained them and soon they will take out the government.
Its called “judgement”
Vengeance is The Lords.
For me, my pistol is my go to 90% of time, but if I had my choice, I'd go with my 300 blk suppressed ar pistol/ sbr
All of the above!!!!
Haven’t seen Shrek on the socials lately, thought he might haven been unleashed in Mexico. Teehee
The first line of defense is a good barrier and alarm system. Something that will slow the invader down and alert you if you've been breached. No gun is going to save your ass if you're passed out and the guy is already in the room.
yeap... 10/10. some cameras and motion sensor activated flood lights will do a lot already and it's not wrong to plant some thorny roses or shrubs in front of seemingly accessible windows to discourage would be thieves. i also heard that dogs are a major deterrent. that may be enought to send them on their way to easier prey.
A good dog can provide both.
How about a moat and some alligators?
@@DGillian6406Elaine, now you're being ridiculous
Youth model 20 ga. Pump with 3in no. 4 buck shot !!