Julia Hartley-Brewer’s FURIOUS Clash With Civil Servant Union Leader
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- MPs have launched a new inquiry into the relationship between ministers and civil servants following Dominic Raab’s resignation over bullying.
TalkTV’s Julia Hartley-Brewer clashes with General Secretary of the FDA Union Dave Penman over the state of the civil service.
Julia: “Does anyone actually ever discipline civil servants for not doing their sodding job properly?”
Dave: "Once again this is one of the myths against the civil service."
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Do you think the civil service is in need of reform?
There is a direct historical link between small government (i.e. less civil servants) and growth. We now have more layers of politicians than ever before more red tape, more bureaucracy and more production of nothing.
Yes
Our government is now decided by people who are offended, if I decide I am offended then I can change your elected officials. This needs to stop.
Yes
Absolutely 💯
If they won't do the job they're tasked with by the public and or parliament, they can be sacked, end of.
Listening to this, you can understand why the country is going the way it is 😢
Indeed, hard right and brain dead
You're right ,a Tory interviewer in love with everything conservative ,to coin a famous quote SCUM
I may be wrong. But, were this lot not dragging their heels during the Brexit vote.
Brexit is unworkable if you look at the current situation regarding the massive increases in red tape the need for vets certificates passport checks the destruction of the on-demand supply chain all with the same number of staff when non of this was necessary before and the civil service had already been hollowed out with Austerity.
@@SlowhandGreg that's democracy mate.get on with it.
@@SlowhandGreg utter nonsense.
@@daviecanning1180 and it will be a relief when labour abandonment of the magic unicorn project
As for democracy no one had a vote on leaving the single market or loosing FOM, Norway aren't in the EU the decision was political
@@SlowhandGreg All rosy in the French garden is it?
Getting a bollocking at work for not doing your job is not bullying
Its a pathetic display of weakness and incompetence at the very least, as a team leader I'd be sending a report in to HR if 1 of my lead analysts was going around bollocking people
@@SlowhandGreg wrong again. The civil service does not work. If he got angry then most people would support him. They are purposely dragging there heels. It's not there choice what work they undertake. How many have asked them to do there job. They don't. So there are calls to sack them. A minister giving them the facts is not bullying.
@@adrianrouse5148 everywhere Raab has been the department has been dysfunctional stop trying to excuse incompetence and blame other people for Government failure
1st its the EU
Then it was Remoaners the
Now its the Civil Service blob
what ties all 3 together the same shyte Ministers pedaling the same shyte policies getting the same shyte results
Just before the end he says : the government have a duty to defend the civil service and they don't do it. And Julia ends the debate laughing. LOL.
There is little doubt in my mind that Raab was stitched up by activists in Civil Service -cases from over 4 years ago/over 2 years ago all being lodged on the same day or thereabouts does not stack up -the C S activists wanted blood and sensed that Sunak was weak and inept and would cave in .
What about Priti Patel??? Found guilty of bullying but saved by BoJo
@@rolandedwards2923 -irrelevant -like comparing apples with oranges -two different people and scenarios
Then he should have sued the people who said he bullied them .Rabb like this government is weak fight your corner and call these people out if you feel wronged
@@user-vo5bb3du5d not at all same principle, both bullied, one was let off by BoJo and one has rightly resigned. And yet it was not his fault. By the way British values taught in school highlight anti- bullyingt. Perhaps the hard right (like yourself) would want that taken out of British values!
why did Raab say he'd resign though? Handed it to them on a plate !!
They need to boot out the moaners, do your job, criticising ministers claiming bullying is them wanting their cosy lives.
It’s a good job that Raab and Patel weren’t guilty of bullying then. Oh, wait…
I joined the Civil Service (in Glasgow) when I left school in the early 70's. I was bullied by older staff into joining the Union by threats of the worst jobs, passed over for training etc. I was forced to take part in the first ever strike by Civil Service by threat of broken legs if I didn't. Basically, the union reps were communists doing their best to disrupt things. I resigned, changed career and never looked back. Looks like this has only got worse.
Funny I joined at teh same time and nothing like that ever happened to me. Are you lying or is just the way things were in Glasgow in the 1970s?????
@@rolandedwards2923 you’re still living in the matrix. Time to step into reality not a well oiled constructed system where the majicians have every base covered. Wake up
@@rolandedwards2923 No lies, and the unions were busy destroying all industry in Scotland at the time, shipbuilding, car manufacture, steel, mines etc. It was the start of the downhill spiral. I moved to England and have been here since, and never joined another union, nor was I pressured to.
@@almac2598 righgt so it was a Scottish thing that included all industries and not just the CS. You should have made that clear for the thicko bigots, racist and little englanders
Notice how 90% of the time when a senior Union leader is interviewed in England, that he's a Scot?
Do you think the civil service is in need of reform?of Couse it does it has not been touched since world war two.
@@laurenceBDontYaNo Yes, seriously 😂
@@laurenceBDontYaNo Contractual changes I'm referring to.The Government did the IT?
@@laurenceBDontYaNo More drivel from a lefty?
@@laurenceBDontYaNo Given that you have stated on two posts with no evidence of any sort. You'd be yet again incorrect.
Go figure.
@@laurenceBDontYaNo Again no evidence from you Lawrence. Why ?
Are you one of the CS ?
Civil service needs reforming.
why
The Swamp needs draining. P45 the lot of them and start again with patriots.
@@keithjackman8886 head to America a suck trumps cock…there’s a good man
@@keithjackman8886 mpressed you know everyone in the CS
You mean they do not like to work
The civil servants that are NOT doing the job that they are employed to do should be FIRED IMMEDIATELY, anyone else that refused to do their job would be fired so why shoulder they?
It's really difficult to fire someone from any Government job be it national or local. You need a ton of evidence to show they were not doing their job. My wife was in local government middle management and it was totally impossible to fire anyone who wasn't doing their job. So there are thousands of government workers who do nothing. I know this for a fact. Then you wonder why your taxes are so high. Your taxes are paying for people to do nothing. It's true because we have seen it. It is so bad you wouldn't believe it.
A friend of mine was recruited into the civil service as computer consultant i asked him to be more explicit he said they want some one to hold their hand while they make a decision I can`t imagine him being worried by man/woman throwing a rolled piece of paper at him or hiding his face with a hood using actor voice to make a complaint about anyone, I think it is time for
civil servants to grow up or get out of their feather bed jobs for life do the job us tax payer`s pay them for. Well done Jula
I can't speak for the British civil service, but after working for local government (middle management) in a major city in Australia for over twenty years I saw very little evidence of performance management of much of the administrative staff. Productivity rates were abysmal. Whilst operational workers were assessed by daily performance indicators, the white collar crew spent much of their time chatting or attending pointless meetings.
@@laurenceBDontYaNo No.
@@laurenceBDontYaNo just making a point that local government workers in Australia are as useless as civil servants in the UK.
@@Parawingdelta2and yet surprisingly exactly the same.
So totally irrelevant
@@bield7 I think she mentioned something regarding the productivity of shiny arse public servants, limited accountability and their overall worth. It resonated strongly with me.
I work in the civil service and 50% of the workforce are only there as they would not last in the public sector. Its plain to see in any office you walk into
True enough, start with all of the Marxists, let them go first, cant see many of them being left after that but you never know.
private sector...........
Spent all my working life in various offices. 70’s onwards and if I thought something wasn’t right I have said “don’t speak to me like that “ and through a chat it’s been sorted there and then end of. These nitwits haven’t got a clue
The trouble is the civil servants have been getting away with these things so much they thought they were untouchable....Time to root out the bad ones.
Does any ane and sensible person really expect senior civil servants to tell the truth ?
They started working from home during lockdown and life was easy so just like our GP surgery's they don't want to go back to normal .
A poor service for the cost. Very political and doesn't have any interest in fulfilling manifesto pledges that don't follow its own personels narrative. Always looking for reasons and ways to not do something. Definately not value for money.
Civil service = labour
Gavin Douglas = plonka
@@whatsreallyhappening5669 ,get back to work ,instead of commenting on your roles failure.
Gavin douglas is one of those helping to bring the country down
@@whatsreallyhappening5669 I got 40 likes to your 2 xx
@@gavindouglas7020 considering the dumb people that watch this propaganda that’s not a surprise and not something you should be proud off
sack the frigging lot of them, and get people to work with the government and not against.
If you live in a fantasy world yet your staff don't believe in magic unicorns what do you expect
ex Rwanda policy its a show pony its illegal and against the UN convention on refugees are we going to leave the UN no but you have masses of civil servants trying to draft what is a policy for nothing more than political theatre instead of dealing with the problem.
If I was working in an environment like that I'd be pretty demotivated what's the point of working on something that will never see the light of day when you know it your boss knows it and the Minister knows it as well
And then the country grinds to a complete halt.
If the rest of the civil service are like this bloke they all want chasing😮😂
Like the House of Lords the civil service need’s completely reorganising and given targets to achieve and those who cannot meet the targets need dismissing
I would say abolish the House of Lords and privatise the civil service. I think that would save enough money to pay for 20 NHS hospitals. Job done.
Totally agree with your comment. Plus the Lord's need a clear out.😡🇬🇧
A typical union rep, totally blinkered and all he can hear is his own voice, if the report says he was right to raise concerns about what happened then he was right to give him a ballackin.
If anyone else had that many complaints against them, they would be investigated and, if found guilty, fired. Mps and civil service are out of touch.
Julia, you are brilliant and don't mince your words
😂😂😂
Don’t we just “love” the civil service. We pay for them and the think their gods gift of entitlement to do as they want.
And they have one of the best pensio schemes in the country....most of people who give their right arm for.
Just ask when was the last time a civil servant was sacked or how many have been sacked in the last 12 months.
Whilst in my career as a quantity surveyor (I am now long retired), I went to look at a refurbishment project in an office; can’t remember what the organisation was, but there were many offices all with one person at clear desks apart from a couple of pieces of paper (before computers). Occasionally one would get up and walk about with a piece of paper just, seemingly, to show they were doing something. Then went back to their desk. I had to spend a couple of hours there and never really saw anyone doing any work. Went into the GLC offices once or twice; very similar!!
Civil service needs sacking
And then the country grinds to a halt.
most of the people working as civil servants work there because there not good at what they do,
A bit like your grammar 😂😂
You leave her grandma alone.
The old adage "you can't argue with an idiot" springs to mind...
Unions never back management,as they see managers as the enemy.Managing people who are incompetent is impossible.Civil service is a law unto themselves,refusing to return to workplace,
taking ages to complete duties.Time to thin out the bureaucracy.😤😤😤
Dave Penmans union represents senior civil servants , top management . Raab was not a manager he was a politician , or more accurately Tory Scum
They are supposed to work with the government of the day, not play party politics… if someone isn’t pulling their weight within any job, they need warning and if that doesn’t improve, robust discipline or sack them.. you can’t carry lightweight workers in any organisation.
Shane they didn't exercise that policy with Raab. Or Zahawi.
A better policy would be for every cabinet minister to appoint their own staff that would stop all this nonsense.
@@Celtictribes yes that’s a good idea
What about politicians who aren’t just “lightweight” but positively dysfunctional and irresponsible like Johnson who get parachuted into safe seats
They are supposed to give expert impartial advice and not act like courtiers.If that means giving advice that is unwelcome, then politicians should man up and not act like snowflakes.
The Civil Service and Parliament needs urgent reform, like scrapping the Lords , we saw that, following COVID, the civil service did want to return to work in the office
It was always thought that if you can’t be successful in the commercial world you become a civil servant. There are many examples of this
Perhaps the bad and biased behaviour of Civil servants themselves doing things like delaying Brexit and many other issues was enough to frustrate and provoke ministers like Dominic Rhab, and then these civil servants shrug their shoulders and act innocent. A lot of them need to be releived of their posts ASAP, because regardless of their own political beliefs they cannot do the right things like carrying out their duties in an unbiased way which is expected of them.
....how about compulsory 6-12months national service or territorial army before being allowed to join the civil service? King Charles suggested it many years ago
"Statistical bulletin - Civil Service Statistics: 2022" is well worth a look.
Figure 3.1 clearly demonstrates the massive expansion in the number of useless mandarins, while the number of low paid staff delivering services to the public has been drastically cut.
Dave Penman is defending the indefensible.
Is there any records of how many and why any civil servants being sacked?
Yes. It's fully recorded in every detail, & in several different languages, on a single side of A5 paper.
In the forces, we nicknamed the Sa80 'the civil servant' because of its long service and the fact that it's useless.
Because it did not work and you could not get rid of it.
wasn't it civil servants drinking and eating at the partygaty thing? and wasn't it a civil servant that was meant to be unbiased but stitched up the Tory PM and then went to work for her long-time comrades Labour? wasn't it a civil servant who was below par and told to work properly and so made allegations of bullying in response? Hmmm!
They should clear the lot out there was a time when you hardly ever heard from them but now they think they can do as they please.
We have a left wing union defending left wing civil service activists, need we say more. As far as I am concerned the civil service is a big let down to the British people and only serve themselves.
Unions have never bullied anybody. Have they?
This government doesn't run this country, but the uncivil service does -aside from the UN, EU, WHO and WEF that Is!
I went to a careers faircad, and the civil service recruitment officer there was anti tory and open with kids about it......
Julia is a fantastic political interviewer and astute operator. Also excells in yammering
What happened to 3 verbal warning, one Witten warning and then you are out, is that no longer law. I was employed with the local council for over 20 years in the residential sector, any complaints were brushed under the carpet. The term constructive criticism was introduced as a positive and not as a negative.
My Sister has worked as a Civil servant she’s top of her game worst thing ever working from home can’t get sacked big pay huge pension and no discipline best job ever
Stop their working from home and if they don't, withdraw their London Allowance. In fact sack them if they don't return to the office.
Over staffed and to many people doing next to nothing with inflated pensions when they retire.They need totally restructured.
If the government are not in charge of the civil service, who is, or are they in charge of themselves.
Unions, Labour,civil servants can’t tell the difference.
They need an in-depth overhaul. They should be people who are ready and willing to do their jobs ... not slow-motion whingers !
Public servants, what a joke, they've absolutely let the country down.
No wonder people don't trust any of this lot.
Giving someone a bollocking for not doing there job properly is not bullying
The civil service needs a complete overhaul. All of those who made accusations that were not proved needs to be investigated
The uncivil service is a swamp that needs to be drained. They need to be on par with the real world and sacked for not doing what they are employed for
Unions just as Cliquey, as the Etonian's or Cambridge, crowd.
No matter who s in power same civil servants
So the guy on the news defending the civil service says they don’t have the opportunity to defend themselves…🤪
These servants are there to do as they are told ? servant , what do they not understand ? They ought to try a job in the real world ? if they could get one .
Not before time. That witch hunt against RAab was disgusting. That Ambassador should have been sacked immediately he overstepped the mark. As for the senior Civil Servant that objected to be told off about inferior work has two choices, except the rollocking and improve or get out the kitchen. It is not an amazing Civil Service, they are a bunch of lazy people who think they run the country. It is time there was a complete overhaul. I have worked with the Civil Service, there is a lot of wastage, including in senior positions. A lot of them need shouted at to get any work done.
What a load of bullocks get rid of any civil servants that are politically motivated sack them and if these so called servants don’t do the things they are told buy the government sack them on the spot .
Needs to cut both ways - but if it did, then the government would be changing every hour.
ABOUT TIME.. THANK YOU!
Make all Civil Servants take a test that determines bias or political persuasion. If they fail, sack them.
Heil Rishi!
Yes it's too big and too powreful and not accountable, like local councils the officers run the council not the democratically elected councillors who are viewed as temporary distractions to the business of the council, civil servants/council employees- secure job, company car, good pensions, what's not to like.
This. Our local council chief exec in Aberdeen gets paid more than the PM and 'runs' the city from her living room in Dundee. Lucky if she bothers to make the trip to the office twice a week.
All Civil servants have an easy ride…. Diplomats and Embassy staff are on big skive- fest
Civil servants crying because they said when they got the job no one said anything about work 😊
chicken and the egg why would a minister need to 'bully' a competent good hard working civil servant?
😊The left wing Not so Civil Service 😂
Every single person I know who works for the public sector is either lazy, or they're pretending to be sick on full pay, or they're just useless. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Civil service staff are not voted in ,its not what they want resign,this does not happen in the normal world leave if you don't like it
One of those people whose fault it can never be
As someone who is very close to the civil service, it's not reform that it needs - its complete and total upheaval. Every senior civil servant I have worked with is carrying out their own agenda and not the governments policies. That is disgusting.
So if you are accused of 8 offences but are only found guilty of 2 then you are actually innocent. I wonder if that rule would work for the rest of us?
All jobsworths and stealing a living!
And who will reform it? oh i know the civil service.
union,labour,scottish,anti tory, of course he's not biased!!
Chris Philp is in front of the Home Office select committee this morning and is handing most responses over to the 3 civil servants sitting with him. If the Civil Servants are as useless as many seem to think, perhaps Philp would have been better to address the committee without them. That would have been a laugh
Philp's a complete waste of space. Even by MP standards.
Telling people to do their jobs is bullying?
Bleating snowflakes, comes to mind.
The civil service is lazy, arrogant and a waste of space.
Amend his behaviour? Does he actually suggest that MP's in charge of running the country should stay meek, quiet and pander to the Far Left Civil Servants?
Well said david penam,👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Well said Julia, so true
The civil service was completely summed up in Yes Minister!
"Hardly civil and certainly not your servant."
An old chestnut from the 1950s. Things haven't changed.
I would sack civil service employers that dont do as they are told as we the tax pay thier wages for 😢😢😢
Time to shut them down and start again 😮
Like many over a certain age, I was an avid watcher of ‘yes minister’ on tv. Even back then, although it was only satire, the reality of senior civil servants bullying ministers was believable.
I guess civil servants don’t like it when it happens to them.
Like in yes minister, maybe the reason for these different government minister’s alleged bullying is out of frustration when the minister’s attempts to push through their policies are being thwarted at every turn by civil servants with their own agenda…
They should make Sir Alan Sugar a government minister and let him sort these mandarins out in his refreshingly blunt fashion.
I think the man who wrote that program was either an ex politician or his father bwas could be wrong I think his surname was Jay
AS with all Government entities the values and work ethic within the departments are questionable and certainly would not be held up if they were private sector operations. Anyone acting with political bias should loose their right to a pension, those that acted against the 2016 referendum should have been sacked a long time ago , but they will not have and that is the issue
They need sorting out that's for sure.
The CS has a DUTY to administrate the Government's business impartially. That is their business and deliberate failure to do so should be investigated and a stackable offence.
Don’t worry they’re getting replaced with ChatGPT !
Complete shower