How to fix War Thunder
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
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01:57 The Economy
08:49 Map Rotation
12:58 Bombers
20:06 Panther tank
26:23 Helicopters
31:49 Aircraft skins
36:49 Top tier
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Statistics based BR placement and repair costs is a huge bane in the game. You get stupidly strong vehicles with dirt cheap repair costs because everyone and their dog plays them, and then also overtiered sad wagons that cost an arm to repair because only the few experienced souls can eke performance out of them
My Italian 75/46 M43 is a great example, it’s literally the exact same vehicle as the 3.3 75/34 M43 except for a longer barrel and getting a 152mm penning round and that puts it up to 4.7. At 4.7 almost every tank has a round within 10mm of pen of it, with more armor, an actual moving turret, and coaxials. There are legit 3.3 vehicles with more pen than the 75/43 M43
Overtierd sad wagons. Describing all of the top-tier AAA which are very big, very blind, very useless dead within seconds of spawning.
Maus reference? Slow sad wagon that dies in 6.7 and 8.7? Funny reference?
Actually, I was thinking about the German FlaRakRad, a semi-tractor that cannot move, cannot hide and cannot hit aircraft before being destroyed that they have as an 11.7 battle rating.@@johndoemoon2
@@johndoemoon2 i mean tbh at 6.7 they are all jsut ganging up on you unless they have some hard hitting heat
I love you man, more people need to speak up against turbo virgin modern vehicles and promote chad legacy vehicles.
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@@thesnazzycometI kill top-tier in my m18 hellcat daily, very fun gameplay cus it forces u to learn maps and distances + learn how to properly hide against thermals. Incredible stuff
Anyone else noticing the constant double maps ? Literally will play on one map and Literally get the same map right after
Yup, same. been going on for a long time tho, but recently it does sorta feel like there's less diversity of maps. for some BR ranges it seems like there's only 3 maps.
@@cookiecracker2 Happens to my friend, he gets same map 2,3,4 times in a row, then the asp changes but stays for couple matches and all over again. Personally i haven't experienced any map repetitions.
Play more than 1 respawn. There are 5-15 mins periods for a map to be chosen for you to play on, so if you left immediately you will (most likely) get the same map
I agree with you on your points and wish to add my own. Firstly, we need less top tier additions and add in missing WWII vehicles, M7 Priest, fun Sherman variants, Hummel, Stug IV, the list goes on. Second, fun events, like the IS-2 No 321 we had, where's my cool sandbag armor Sherman? Thirdly, the US AA gap between the M42 and M163, we've had how many Soviet AA added and it's been years since we've had any additions there. Lastly, as a console player, console needs some love, yes I get it "buy a PC" isn't an answer for everyone, let us buy custom skins for GE instead of the gambling RNG mess of boxes we have now. There's loads more of things and yes I know I was US specific, but I have spent years researching and building scale models of the Sherman so it's my favorite. Well done video, subbed.
The variety of tanks and aircraft attracted me. I started in 2015, but it said I registered in 2011. I remember aces or something like that being the name at the time. I had so much fun in the beginning that I played the M10 so much that it has over 12,000 kills. I accumulated 135 million silver lions, but I never really went much more above like 4.7br either.
21:29 "But why can't we go through the hull?"
Because... it's simply too well armored? It's quite literally that simple.
All the vehicles you used in your example (T-34-85, Sherman Firefly) couldn't go through a Panther's upper glacis in real life as well (Firefly could only with APDS ammunition, which isn't what you used).
says who
10:25 Most relatable thing I've heard in a LONG while 😭 Man do I hate seversk 13 gaijin should add back white rock fortress at least for low tier
The component research can be so painful, especially with top tier tanks where you need to contend with HEAT. Those who knows what I mean knows. It is just painful to use HEAT at top tier...
i look forward more to when they release new ww2 vehicles instead of top tier now. top tier can be kinda fun, but not completely “fun”.
I know the 85mm APHEBC can over match the panther hull under like 300m. But that's also the insane slope modifier USSR rounds get
I have 4 or 5 days of flying time versus 60 days of tank playing time. In flying, you're moving through more axis of control while in vehicles you only have left right forward and back.
On the discussion of bombers, I remember when the B-29 was over 70K SL for its repair cost.
Oh god ya
The Ground RB research grind is a slog compared to Air RB. Air RB IS vastly easier compared to ground in terms of effort you have to put into a match to get a good amount of RP.
armor meta was king
One point regarding helicopters you might have overlooked. I have the top tiered AAA in the US, German, and Israeli lines. I also served in an American Helicopter unit during the period seemingly served by the top-tier units. Not a single one of these units can see a helicopter unless the pilot is incredibly silly. You cannot see them on thermals, radar, or IRST. Some of the AAA Units are so ridiculously big many of us are going back to lower tier AAA to have more success. By the time you spawn in your spawn points have been marked and AAA dies within moments of spawning as the statistics of the game show. Recently, I watched a single helicopter sit by a team's air spawn point and take out every aircraft that spawned in until he ran out of missiles. Can you imagine in real life a single helicopter taking out F-15s, F-16s, Mig 29s, Kfirs, at their bases? I like the game but between Gaijin and the cheaters sniping from 3kms away over and through buildings, smoke, and hills, it's becoming tiresome. Your top tier comments were spot on. I recently shot down an F-15 by accident with a Leopard in a massive uptiered fight - by firing on a helicopter. Can you imagine the news if an F-15/F-16 was shot down by a tank?
bruh that og wt trailer in the intro was the coolest thing when it first came out. but thew best fix to warthunder is to bring back the 20 tier system they had before the game was released in 2012. it offers alot more room for growth and seperation between brs
The only valid criticism I got from this video that is not a result of a skill issue is the "Economy Problem" and even that is just kinda.
Sorry, but the moment you started crying about bombers being weak and Panther being too good, my brain melted (not even mentioning the part about helicopters and top tier(since you don't even have top tier or play it)) and refused to work anymore.
fair enough, though I provided reasoning for all of my points
For the Bomber Game Play, Giijin should increase points for fighter planes to escort bombers by increasing the kill point, such as SLand RP when defending bombers. This will help bomber get to the bomb target. In real life, bomber have escorts, but in this game there's no incentive to escort them.
Honestly the #1 problem I'm facing just barely worse than the CAS issue in Ground Realisitc Battles is how horrific and inhumanely low the RP is. With a premium account and a premium vehicle, I should not be getting 6k-8k research points after a 20 minute game and 6-10 kills. It should not take me at a minimum 65 consistently good matches to get a single vehicle. That's absurd. The ground RP rewards above rank 5 should be increased by like 2.5x, then maybe I'd play a lot more and feel the desire to struggle through the clusterfuck that is the 10.0 br range to get to the vehicles I want to play.
Idk after the economy updates, with premium i have never had a problem with SL. Even if im rushing down a line i always have enough money to buy everything. In the past month i bought the F-4J and crew, bought the F-5E and bought both F-14s and crewed them. My premium expired just before i unlocked the F-15 and i need like 50k more to crew it. I know tanks earn a lot less but when the changes dropped i was grinding tanks a lot and never noticed that SL was the problem. It was always the RP that held me much longer from progressing than SL.
Honestly if you asked me, the free2play grind should be what grinding with premium is now, and premium should be twice as fast.
Especially for ground games, there are so many vehicles in the game now it is genuinely a slog. And it gets really boring playing the same line up 50-60 (this number grows a lot bigger as we move up in ranks) games with premium just so you can manage to put 2 tanks of your next BR in it to play something different.
true true. I put the economy first as it is an issue thats largely been addressed now
@@thesnazzycomet yup, its better but considering there are literally thousands of vehicles in this game which is fucking crazy, we earn way too little.
See I have to play ground rb to get sl. I can't make sl to save my life in air rb. I'm talking like 8k sl per game, then they want me to buy the aircraft for 155k and buy crew training for another 50k?? Like wtf. Im not the best player but I atleast get 1 kill per air rb match sometimes 2 or 3. But holy hell. I've got 5 aircraft in my US line that are fully researched but I can't afford to buy them.
Separate the vehicles by their time periods. Yeah a leopard chassis with a 40mm bofors gun can be killed by a m22.....but why in the hell would my m22 crew be seeing one? B36 Peacemaker awesome dude!
Historical br has been tried before and it’s an absolutely abysmal idea each and every time it’s done
Guns can kill irregardless of time period.
Warthunders idea of a knocked out tank in game is vastly different from an actual tank being knocked out in real life. For example, taking a tanks mobility away in real life would cause the crew to abandon the vehicle in turn that would be a kill. Breaking a track or disabling the engine was a death blow to the crew.
i am honestly glad that your tracks being knocked out doesn't kill you, i feel like it would be incredibly annoying
Not a fun game without some sort of repair. Not saying you're wrong, but it's never going to be even close to real without planning and communication.
Dog fight mode with no missles would be fun
I ignored the economy and all the events and just played the game.
personaly, as a non premium player SL never was a problem for me, but RP gain is still problematic for non premiums, and im saying this while i was blessed by gaijin with talisman for leo1, had very good battles with 5-6 kills and only got 3k (4k max) RP
what i would suggest to gaijin is add RP and SL multiplier for the 1st battle of the day, this quality of life would make 90% of the players a little happy and ease the grind a little bit
another small quality of life improvement would be that players get small ammount of GE or 1 day prem acc for daily logins, like every 7th days, or just give 100 GE for the 1st battle of the day, these small rewards would make players happy and maybe support gaijin a little bit more, and these not that huge ammount of premium that gaijin would go bankrupt because no one will buy GE or prem acc anymore
I like the idea but the first match of the day is always the one I fuck up the most.
Give the bomber gunners a better hit percentage when firing at an attacking aircraft. As it is it's lamentable.
By far my biggest issue is Air RB is so stale, they keep adding maps but the gameplay stays the same. 4 bases with 16v16, lower tiers have different modes and different targets like ships whereas 10.0+ there's not reason to play anything but a fighter
30:39 >"I don't think helicopters can do that"
the helicopters in question: ruclips.net/video/BahjGeWSoqs/видео.html
not to brag but thats a different helicopter and i was still pulling crazier stunts
@@thesnazzycomet and you did crash! The real helicopter would pull crazier stunts and also crash!
The flight model is realistic, you just don't know what helicopters are truly capable of.
Come to think of it, 70% of your complaints in this video are either you not knowing the full picture or a skill issue. War thunder is fine (apart from top tier and the economy)
It does not help that you chose heli flight models of all things (a pretty useless advantage of a helis subset) to then ignore the TY-90 issue/heli spawn camping.
Both of which make it nearly impossible to do anything in return on the enemy team.
I kinda think Gaijin should take a page out of Wargaming's book and add a cold war/modern day mode, just like Wargaming did with World of Tanks Console where you have all the ww2 stuff in the ww2 mode and all the post-ww2 stuff in the cold war/modern day mode, that way you won't have so much post war stuff bullying your props/tigers and shermans, and maybe players would be able to unlock their Abrams,Leopards,T-72s/T-80s just a tad bit sooner, and maybe have a beginner zone matchmaker for the players who aren't that experienced playing post-ww2 vehicles that only lasts for a certain amount of matches, What do you guys think?
Stop players with only 1 tank joining games as this is a team game, not an individual game. People go out after 1 death which impacts winning and losing. Also offer more reward for capturing points to encourage campers to try and cap. Almost all games im in im the only one going for cap.
Players who don't respawn and move could pay triple for repairs. It'd stop.
The only complaint I have in War Thunder is the stock grind, especially with tanks where it feels like I need to activate an RP booster AND do very well on a STOCK tank in order to get the Parts modification. And without it, I'm stuck asking the team for repairs or having to drive to the capture point
I think they just need to get rid of repair costs. I would even be okay with them reducing money earned, but remove repair costs. Make it so even if you do bad, you dont lose money.
11:00 the "same map x times in a row" is actually extremely common in my experience (for GB), to the point where i just expect that whenever i get on a new map i will play the following 2 or 3 games on that map. Probably the worst i had it was one night playing Flanders 8x in a row. I have resorted to using the "ban map" feature as a way to force the game to change the map it puts me on - 3 games in a row on Poland? Poland gets banned so i can play something else
That said i've heard that the ban map feature might be the reason why this phenomenon happens in the first place - people ban different maps, so you have to either limit the map pool to maps which nobody has banned, or else make matchmaking take longer for certain people because they banned a map that would otherwise get picked. Granted, there should be enough maps by now for the game to not have issues keeping a varied map rotation even despite this limitation, but what do i know
Decal / Nation decals on other nation vehicles : They just made it so only you can see your decals by default, only those aware of the option to turn 'other player decals shown' will see your own.
Revise the lower tier vehicles, start them from 1918. Add in Observation and Army Co-Operation aircraft, doing this from 1918 will add alot of flavor to lower tiers both on Ground and Air. Add in a rule that any vehicle that falls from over 15 feet be destroyer. No more falling off the damned bridge and surviving. No more rolling off of cliffs. Wheeled vehicles should tip over more easily. Take away the Orange spotting rounds from artillery, or at least take away the verbal warning before it hits. Artillery is never announced that way IRL.
as much as I want this it'd be tough to implement as not all nations had that tech in 1918... maybe 1925 though?
@@thesnazzycomet That would work!
One other thought after I thought about what you said about British planes. I admit I was watching a show about the Whittle engine while watching this video. Britain like many countries did not spend excessively on modern aircraft. They were more financially conservative (not a bad thing) and didn't build super expensive high tech fighters. This made sense - and would cause users who liked Britain (and other countries, Italy comes to mind) to go back and play the lower, often better tiers. Gaijin introduced Israel, which started after WWII and their early efforts at obtaining aircraft led to believable middle tiers and the later need to purchase high tech fighters from France and the US. IF Gaijin stops adding indiscriminately people would have to play those tiers. However, Gaijin's financial model of selling ridiculous top tiers (like the aptly named, "click bait" tank) give them large financial rewards so they will never stop. Mores the pity.
yeah i think a lot of your points war thunder should listen to
thank you!
Map rotation is horrible. I don't appreciate the game over that. Allowing certain BRs for certain maps isn't cool to me. Yeah red desert would be silly for 1.3 or even 3.3, but I use to be able to drive fire arc in my Stewart. Berlin is my favorite. Their servers are restricted terribly .
All I want is for the CAS problem to be addressed. Nothing is more unfun than not being able to do anything against a bomb. Make it more rewarding to play as AA or put a limit on how many planes can be brought in per game.
While they (somewhat) fixed the SL economy. The RP income is still abysmal. Even with premium the time it takes to get 1 NEW VEHICAL after 6.0-ish almost requires you play this game like a job. There's been countless times I completely forgot what I was even researching cause it takes so long.
The biggest infuriating thing is this game is the consistently inconsistent balancing. They don't want to add or give vehicles certain things cause it "wouldn't be realistic". Meanwhile the Maus.. exists, the KV-2 literally never worked, ATGMS became almost unusable, the Abrams KVT has the wrong gun, tanks can't climb a 50' slope, and bombers tails fall off if you breath on them to hard.
To my knowledge, only one map was removed from ground, being White Rock Fortress
lmao you restored that fw190's faith in humanity
which one?
(edit) oh yeah lmao
Top tier should be a separate thing. I have never gone above 6.7, and when I was at 6.7, I was losing silver very fast and went back down to 6.0 and below. Insane vehicle speeds, laser range finders, auto reloaded, and weird armor protections with all the different key binds make it too busy and complicated.
Tanks are run by crews of people for a reason
99% vehicles do not have have laser range finders at 5.7-7.7.
8.0 is where it becomes more frequent
i have some premium vehicles in the game... The RP and SL you get from them, makes every other non premium vehicle obsolete - at least for me... This free to play excuse needs to stop... Most of us have paid "at least" the full price of a AAA game... The moment you go that route you deserve to be treated as a paid user and not a free to play user... Fair or not to the free to play gamers, i don't care, they need to fix it... You pay, you advance faster... This was a thing all along... Why make good vehicles obsolete to play because they have low rewards? And the talisman may help you with RP but it doesn't with SL... I find myself wanting to play a certain vehicle and then i go back to playing my premium just for RP and SL reasons (even though i enjoy the non premium more).
Add ground realistic battles
Add a alternative game mode that allows for you to be able to only play night battles
Rehual air rb by removing spotting mechanics and bigger maps so managing your fuel is now relevant and add more terrain so its worth it for bvr fights. (Add night air battles)
Add more gamemodes so the game isnt stale and repetitive. Maybe party gamemodes like infection, king of the hill, protect the vip. And 1v1 air gamemodes to practice dogfighting
Change the brs so instead of third gen going against fourth gen battle ratings are now decided upon what generation the aircraft is. Fourth gen will only fight fourth gen
Third gen will only fight third gen (unless the vehicle is in a spot where its competitive with fourth gen)
Maps are on a rotater. Every 10 minutes is a different map
Add strategic bombers, interceptors and awacs for specific missions like escort bombers to a target or intercept enemy invaders and behind enemy lines
I really like/want the last suggestion
A ten kill game in a 6.7 premium will net you well over 100k
Regarding bombers - easiest thing they also could do - increase the range of board gunners
Air RB generally sucks, only 1 life? 3 minutes to get into combat?
maybe maybe. still my preferred game mode
Just don’t die
In my experience the players who are in top tier GB tend to be extremely skilled (and also have high level crews) because they have stuck with the game for a very long time and gone through the grind. This probably contributes to the perception of top tier being unfun and super fast paced and lethal - everyone knows everything, and it's really difficult to keep up if you are a casual player who isn't playing this game religiously. So in this regard your observations about top tier really are "skill issue" - but one that still manifests the way it does due to the game design
I wish that it were possible to open up immediate-post-war tanks as a second reserve tier accessible to anybody - whether in war thunder or in a separate game - as that would make cold-war era stuff accessible to a much wider audience. Because being able to play with the roster that is currently designated 8.0 as casually as, say, 3.7 would be my ideal experience for war thunder
The panther d has a year long turret rotation and paper thin sides along with the turret weakspot why should it get moved up?
You basically have to hit a tiny triangle on corner of the turret with most guns at tier. Or enjoy volumetric hell.
You need around a 200mm Penn gun to front plate it.
It lolpenns most of tanks in the game. If the t20 is 6.3.. panther should be 6.3
Bombers are cool and important but the problem with them (and related solutions You've proposed) is the botting problem the game has had for years and years. Anything you propose that can be easily exploited by botters in order to make RP and SL to later sell accounts WILL BE exploited.
Gaijin has taken (very small) steps to combat this issue but until we see results or until they take real measures like VPN banning, hardware banning, and region locking, theres little chance that they'll improve the economy of certain things in the game.
The economy for researching/purchasing vehicles feels like a fair grind with premium, but god the stock grinds for high tier vehicles are AWFUL. With how painful it is even with premium I can't imagine how bad it is for free to play players.
I think it would be better all together to just scrap the module unlocking and replace it with a reward based individual vehicle progression system like more camos or RP bonuses.
I get what you are saying by just using F-4J uk for grind, it's either sucide run to base or nothing, this thing is called fither without any good misslies lmao
There are no real bushes anymore in the game since a few weeks, and they behave strange lately. The maps are most plain and dull. The graphics not up to date. All tanks should be like in reality. There are lots of cheaters and bots in the game. The good thing is the very good gameplay.
I don't think the economy is that bad. I have a premium account and a few premium planes. I only play ranks 1-5 though.
Good man
Great video and conversation Snazzy
While i dont disagree with most statesment here in this video. I feel the necesity to add or to bring up my opinion on the subject
Starting from the first point. The economy fix
I will remember that the economy changed quite a bit as mention but the ammount of SL we earn after a battle got changed and was votted by us, the community, starting by some guy called SPANISH_AVENGER (someone for those who know. He is not very loved in the community for several reasons) So this guy started rambling about the little he earns by not winning bla bla. This ended up attracting people and gaijin ended up proposing us a poll. This poll had some options such leaving as it is or reduce the 20% of earning by winning and increase the 20% of earnings if you lost and some other number changes. At the end. this 20%-20% changed ended up being applied by US the community, which im agaisnt. Because it reduces the value of actually winning a game and doesnt promote teamplay. For me the game is very individualistic. It only matters what you do, not what you do with others or what others do for you and the tandem work to achieve victory. This could be fixed with a solution i had in mind with some time but why not add idk 200% boosters for all allies instead of 10% variant only.
Now adding booster variants wont be a thing because they said it that they have server issues loading data of these players that have boosters sitting from millenia (me included. I have some ancient rare boosters from the old times as collection). Anyways, the point im trying to make is that gaijin atleast is learning to listen the player, a bit, economy improved with the roadmap but is not perfect and since everyone has a lot of opinion of the economy and there will be someone who would complain about it. But at the end. Its only what you what matters in how much you earn and sometimes even if you extremely well. You feel like you are not rewarded enough
The next one about map rotation. Sure, War thunder is known about not having very good maps and adding even more versions of maps that are bad so is not good and some maps that are rare to see are indeed rare to encounter, i remembered when maginot line was added into the game and playing france tier 1 in that time maginot was a big map and it was fun because i had more freedom of movement despite me being so slow. i could have a change of flank even being slow but maps now days are focused for top tier so meh. Also as a fact, the blim in pradesh only changes in to the C5 in matches above 10.0 so you can go with your T-62 and still be in a ww1 ambient battlefield so not very fitting.
Other point about you said is about making planes ((bombers atleast) more durable and tankier. Which this sounds good in plane to plane combat so it gives a chance to everyone. At the same time. It would also apply to ground and naval gamemodes. CAS is so easy to do in all gamemodes (maybe naval is a bit more challening depending on the ship you are attacking but still)
Now i get the image of this epic dogfight, that one shoots a volley, damages the other slightly then the other make a scissor manoeuvre to counter, gets on the six, now the chaser is following and so on. We are want to be in a movie 24/7 but its not realistic. The apporach we have in game imo is more realistic. A lot of planes from early on are made of wood and thin metal plates which arent going to endure much. Now saying that bombers does not endure damage at all is not true. Depending of the damage model, the plane you are facing and bla bla theres a lot of factors in play. Sure B-17s arent as portrayed as many war stories or films but at the same time there has been many cases where war stories and such are glorified by propaganda. Yes im aware there is many phootage of B--17s with extreme damage and returning to base or pictures mid flight and all but that can also happen in war thunder quite frequently and atleast from my experience and im sure you all have your own stories of returning to base with extreme damage no matter the aircraft.
Also when it comes to plane vs tanks. As mentioned CAS is very easy to do and one plane can easily destroy the enemy team and giving it more durability its straight up buffing CAS players which will cause in many more players transforming Ground RB (mixed battles) into only air RB, something that many people is not fan of. Me for example i love doing CAS, my playstye is to play with a tank or two and hop in a plane and start destroying the team because it gives more kill which equals more points for me and the event (more individualism instead of teamplay as mentioned earlier) and i dont let the enemy team have a chance to fight back because thats what warfare is about and what the game encourages, hit them before they can hit you and if they are unable to do anything, Skill issue should've brought a plane or be more accurate with your aim in your SPAA or whatever. Because as easy CAS is, Its also easy to shoot down a plane which i think its very fair and needs no change. Naval is similar. Its very easy to take out a vessel if you aim the bomb well. If you miss you get punished as you should so it encourages to practice, not just an easy click on the spacebar and done
Also mentioned about that gaijin nerfed rewards for bombers down their jobs. That was simply because in simulator people was zombie bombing non stop with bots and all and in simulator is very very easy to fly a bomber in comparation to a figther. gunners there gives you a 360º visibility of all and if that wasnt enough AI gunners can do very good job so is just sit a relax.
Now addressing the Panther problem. I will address first that im not a US, German or USSR main and have indeed played all tanks you showed in your example with the panther so my opinion is as neutral as possible
While i do agree that Panthers are a bit low in BR and would be fine if they are placed slightly more up but its in their place due people being bad at the game that influenced the winrates and since MANY players play the panther this leads to many battles and im pretty sure these matches are lost not because of the panther but because of the people being bad. Now i will testify im not a war thunder god. Infact my stats are pretty shitty despite having +10k hours in steam (i've been around in war thunder for quite a while as well). From my experience US and German mains are amongts the most idiotic players i've encounter when it comes to teamplay and trying to win the match and being effective at doing so and from these kind of people is who makes those posts about panther being overtiered or the M4A3E2 76 W Easy eight also being overtiered WHICH IS NOT.
Also all this might change due to the following APHE changes that are coming, making conic explosions now instead of circled expansion tye explosions like it does now
Anyways. Helicopter topic while i do agree that heli models are wonky and weird, but they can backflips and roll overs. Not all helis but a good portion of them can. Now there are some extremes and stuff like the Z-19 as you mention are ridiculous how they handle but some of them feel more relistic and as i would imagine like the UH-1 and also Gaijin had a helicopter dedicated game older than war thunder itself and it was rather arcade-ish. Imagine ace combat but with helicoptiers. So they definetly have experience working with helis so...
They addressed that in the roadmap for this 2024 they will rework helicopter models so lets see how they do it and what they are up to
Now the top tier topic. Yes, there are things that the game was not prepared to have but money is more powerfull and they need to keep updating for the game to be relevant but at the same time they can be relevant adding more WW2 stuff. Digging while making this extremely long cmment. Is remembering the cut content from war thunder tech trees and the best example for this is japan tank tech tree. There were so many things planned. Also the swedish techtree or the itaian tree. It was sad to see all the WW2, postwar and all kind of vehicules from a lot of timelines that could've been into the game and make great additions and there are still some of them in the files like for example. a japanese captured P-40. an american and brittish captured J2M3, a german B-17, Pe-2, Moquitos you named it. A lot of vehicules being there in roundels of other nations that arent in game that you know some could be used as camos or additions to the game in premium status and such
But the most thing that bothered me a lot that you said is not talking about naval because "no one cares about naval". Well i do care about. I play naval. Sure is not the most appealing vehicule branch or the most balanced or joyfull but its there. Its part of the game and seeing you talk about all branches and skipping naval just because no one cares. I find it a bit unfair. Many videos just skip naval and for the same reason as "no one plays or cares about naval" and im tired of seeing this. Like if you dont talk about naval either because you didnt try it or lack experience in it. Thats completely understandable and its a much more way to address to this situation but straight up saying "no one cares about naval" is not nice.
And as it would be normal for me in this situations i would address stuff involving naval according to the topic of the video to fill information but since i already wrote too much my fingers are tired so i will let it be. Anyways this is the end of this text wall
very interesting takes! Thanks for taking your time to answer :)
Attack helos require 2 men because weapons management and keeping it from hitting the ground would be nearly impossible.
My friend found that Germans always have the upper hand in the 2nd part of the battle at the 5.0-7.0 bracket. We were wondering why and after some time he solved this riddle - most German players get killed in the tiger and then they swap for a panther. We called it the "panther effect".
Panther is probably one of the most annoying tanks to fight against. It's better at everything (compared to every single fucking medium tank of other nations, sometimes even heavies) except gun stabilization.
The bugged armour and turret mantlet are probably one of the most frustrating things on this tank. It's worse than a T-34. If they fix this issue it still wouldn't be balanced, but at least it would be on par with the other "OP" tanks at their BRs. Every single panther should be at least 6.0 if not 6.3.
I'm 100 level, 2k hours in battles and about 5k in the game player. I've gotten to the top tiers of jets in 5 nations. I'm at 10.0-11.0 in tanks in 6 nations (including Germans). It's not a skill issue. You can check my stats - I have the same nickname in the game as I do on yt.
grind in higher eras is the problem and lack of gamemodes. Ah yes and no armor best armor is just funny
Navy I get keep getting shot over cover when I’m hugging the wall for cover
I spend my time now trying low br tanks in higher br matches as a challenge.
You literally commented 10 times. Do you realize you can write all this in one comment?
We need World war 1 planes and tanks in warthunder. If it does not work in the seperate tree I think it could work as a separate tree as countries would have advantages or disadvantages due to what vehicles they used. So I think having no nation and just “Great War” where people can just have fun would be great
There's not many tanks
@@t2av159 I know that, but certain tanks like the German one (forgot the name) that had 20 in service. Then there’s the French ft-17 and also the British mark IV heavy tank and the others in that series. I think it would not work across multiple tree but instead as an Individual tree with different BR ratings and maybe different maps.
One thing that would definitely work are the large assortment of planes. From recon that could put in arty to fighters and bombers I think aircraft would be able to be covered too.
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@@t2av159 yea thanks for telling me
WE NEED LOBBIES AND PROXIMITY CHAT WITH EVERYONE ON OUR TEAM NOT JUST SQUADS IM A SOLO PLAYER IF CALL OF DUTY CAN SO CAN WARTHUNDER
I just got the F4J this week and its been hell compared to even the 10.0 battles from before. You cant climb because you are going to get nailed by a Phoenix or some other long range radar missile, you cant dogfight because there are 3 planes locking onto you with radar missiles. You cant extend away from slower planes because they can just shove a heat seeker up your arse.
There is very little similarity between a 10.3 AirRB game and a 12.3 air RB game, one you can still dogfight and use you plane's capabilities to out play other players, the other is mostly reliant on the enemy team not noticing you are there and shoving missiles into their tail pipes until one notices and does the same to you. Stock on the F4J was infuriating, I had 2 caged seeker IR missiles that would sooner turn 90 degrees to go for a flare than keep flying straight, and a plane that flies like a pig. I've gotten the Aim7E-2s and it made a world of difference actually being able to fight back from any angle. The Aim9-Gs are also way better than the Ds, not just being uncaged, they dont go after flares like bloodhounds anymore.
I remember the stock grind on some of the other jets also sucking, but never this much. The F8s were not good but still usable stock, upgraded they were certainly better but you could conceivably fight a spaded one in a stock one and win, granted you have an energy advantage and some good manoeuvring skills. The Thunderjets were so good from stock they single handedly got me to play the game again (I stopped playing in 2020 because of how bad the grind was getting). But the F4J, absolutely unusable in stock form. I got a lucky kill maybe every 5th match(didnt help it took 20 games for my first downtier in the thing).
And the BR compression is just insane! I thought it was a joke with how much people complained about it at top tier but it really isn't, a 10.3 game feels like seal clubbing and a 12.3 game feels like being locked in a cage with a few bears, at 11.3 I can fight but only now that I have the radar missiles and the G-Suit. From 8.0 to 10.0 it feels like a sizeable jump, but something like a 50cal Sabre could definitely cause a Crusader some problems, while I doubt I could even get close to an F-16 in a Crusader, its got all aspect IRs, better turning, better speed, and better systems. At least the Sabre could out turn the Crusader and has better energy retention at low speeds.
The stock grind was so bad, I switched from researching the Aim9 Gs to the FFAR rockets so I could go base hunt, I have never resorted to bombing or ground pounding for another fighter, I just dont like playing so passively in a fighter, in attackers or bombers sure, but a fighter should fight. I just gave up with the F4J though.
remember when the chally mk.2 came out and you had to pay around 1K SL for firing a single APFSDS ?? that was my lowest point. finish a game with 10 kills/no deaths and still loose a lot of SL without premium. It's a lot better than it was couple years ago... don't forget gaijin wouldn't do shit if the playerbase didn't basically "French Revolution" the shit outta them.
"BR based on stats .. so that's why it's so easy to get banned on the forum when you ask about Su-11" xddddddddddddddddddd
The controls on PS4 have been the biggest issue for me (Arcade/Realistic AB). Even with a thrustmaster HOTAS, the wizard still creates issues where the slightest input into the stick will cause the plane to pitch/roll/yaw into a sharp angle. It makes accurate targeting near impossible for me and I end up dragging the team down.
AA is one of the worst shit in game. Total underpowerd for its job, protekting the team.
Im saying that as a good and really often playing AA gunner.'
Some Helicopter can do a roll and so on.
First one was the BO105 and its known for its ability.
I think the economy has gotten much much better. Now I have gotten better but before at top tier u couldn’t even make a profit going 1 for 1 or even killing 2 per vehicle. Now 1 for 1 does net a profit
yea
Same, never had more than 5k hours in any game. I even doubt all my other games combined don't reach 5k hours xD
the map you mean at 11:54 should ne red dessert, havnt seen taht map in probably 4months
My biggest issue with the game is the sl your earn for a teach tree vehicle vs premium vehicle. For example let's say I'm using the p51d5, on average each kill with premium is about 2 or 3k silver lions, now let's looks at the p51d10 that has premium boosters. I am getting an average of 9.5k to 11k SL per kill. A 5 kill game with a win in the d10 will net me around 135k SL but in the d5 it will net me about 35k and by the way all these tests I did where while I had premium so the silver gain on tech tree vehicles it's way worse than you thought. The d10 has a 660% SL multiplier and the d5 has 225. That's about 3 times less than the p51d10 and I think that is very greedy on gaijins part. Also the SL multiplier increases that they added where mostly for premiums so they didn't stay true to what they said they where going to do. I will never trust gaijin as long as I live, they are only money Hungary and if I recall they literally told the community to go fuck themselves when the whole economy change rant started. They only apologized because they knew they would lose a lot of money spending players. They didn't mean it, even now I still think they should all be replaced with developers that actually care about the community.
Gayjin management has to change its attitude. But for that you have to replace gayjin's management
The loading screen should tell you whether you are uptiered or downtiered. You shouldn't have to waste time to get such basic information.
Looking at your SP is totally a waste of time, yeah...
just give us a Wrold war 2 mode only.. 1945 max tanks....
Hoe to fix? PRESS RESTART...this buggy propaganda turkey shooter is in fact unfixable
I've had a 10 kill bo death game, and it looked like I got punished for it instead of a good job.
I was in air battery far from base . No aircraft on the map. I'm there first no one around. As soon I start firing. Other players are the ?
They should just add PvE objectives for Ground too, so you can still go home relatively easily even if you have a bad match.
Guess how much rp I got: highest kill match I ever had, which is 14 ground kills and 1 air kill. Br is around 5.3(ground battle realistic) ad your guess before scrolling down.
It was exactly 3776 research points, which is roughly nothing at all
My personal main issues with war thunder is obviously the maps, the spawns, the audio failing us. The hackers that the community tried to claim didn't exist. Event vehicles that I couldn't care less about to get only because it requires you to deticate large quantities of your time. And if you're employed at all. It'll take you way to long to grind ANYTHING if the grind was a little but smaller. If you didn't have to sweat balls to get xp to atucally get to the tier you enjoyed. And yes. Winning is worth it but not really enough. I play alright for having roughly 100 hours or so in battle. And like 300 hours on record on war thunder and I'm level 20 tho I will avid I wasted my time I customs and stuff. 9.0 having the mig-21 is a nightmare. But, at the end of the day you can kill a mig with a p-51. I think with how long the grind is and how hard I am forced to play in order to get anywhere in realistic because arcade counts even less tho I find myself playing it just because I want to have an arcade, game experience. But, I am getting better at realistic. Doesn't mean I enjoy it. I'm tired so this is just me ranting. But, I feel like the current state of the game that is obviously better than it was. Still I feel it's setup is damaging to the atcual amount of time i play it. I also agree with what you said about the bombers. It's annoying. Only reason I keep coming back is because war thunder is the only game to do it. I am suffering thank you for the video.
Also I fucking hate the amount of up teirs I get
Also side note youtube algorithm did work in this case. Fucking cannot express my happiness in finding this video
People need to talk about it
Also I keep adding comments based on what comes to mind and during the video. But there is too much to talk about. Complain about. And well cope about like the fact the models should not cost $90 or even $60. They handle and function similarly. It's not like they're DCS.
I also like naval but it's so weird and the ocean is to flat
Welcome comrade you've been conscripted to sversk 13 😂😂
What’s the intro video from?
War Thunder victory is ours trailer
Bro that opinion about top tier is pretty bad. Like, "there is no reason to have so many challengers"? really? but adding even more shermans isnt bad? as in 32 arent enough already? Nobody cares about new top tier MBTs but they care about the 400th T34 or something? Imagine being so deluded you feel like you know what people want when your source of information is discord servers and yt videos compared to their direct gameplay data they get from the game itself. Also If people mostly wanted older stuff then why are they investing in more expensive high tier vehicles? Finally, Its very funny how you mind it when Gaijin guesses stuff they dont know about top tier vehicles but they could add paper vehicles because that has nothing to guess, or is it ok when something like a Lowe does it?
Gotta keep top tier in so i can have wverything in one game so i do t have to jump between separate games.
A player who has played the game for a while is making a review on the game? oh hey, he must like the game a lot and think the game is amazing! right... right..?
The only semi-agreeable part of the video is the economy - everything else is just a skill issue moment
I do like the game did you miss the sentence I said right at the beginning
@@thesnazzycomet Yeah yeah I heard it, I should probably edit the comment and only leave the second part of that sentence, but ykwim
@@striker6738 bro what skill issue 💀 are you saying the entire wt playerbase has skill issues
Up grade to expert. Then it's gone. ? You click on one machine. Then go to crew. Expert. Then select a different different vichle. Then look experience again. You loss all ?
sorry I don't understand
One map 3times in a row pff... On top tier jets I had 5-6times Vietnam in a row (few months ago, now they added a bit more maps)
They screwed the economy and then players revolted. Now I like the economy my prem makes a lot and the skill bonus is great, and u DONT GO NEGATIVE with prem. SL WITH NON PREMS IS GARBAGE
For so soooooo many years I've been wondering as to what the original name of the song that plays at the very beginning like the orchestra name or the lyrics etc ya know
its just war thunder main theme
@@thesnazzycomet It was actually from Birds of Steel which Gaijin created before making WarThunder.
Make ai gunners better maybe, make bombers a threat even passively
Not many people can get a helicopter
To hard in this game. When spend the time . Then it's lost.
If you have jet . A helicopter.
This a person with no life. No children. No wife. A single man life. And this is not a real game. Lose the upgrade when spending your time making. In this letter
.. up clim up
But loss the clim.
So loss imtresest
How to make a complaint
just comment
Please look mick Australia
You dont have Prem and you whining about money ? yes its a free to play game but thats only to get you into the game without a massive paywal(while you can enjoy warthunde free to play at its fullest not like other f2p games it comes at a cost of bad economy) and if you play this game regularly without want to pay anything its just disrespectull to the developers and other people working this project. There is an easy fix ... even if you dont play the game every day you can just buy a year premium account für about 40€ and you are fine and nearly all your moneyproblems are gone ... in if you play it enough for the battle pass you only buy it once for 2000ge ~ 14€ and you can grind all the following battlepasses for free .
1.so if you play the game regularly you can spend about 55€ - 100€ depending on how often you have to buy the battlepass
2. if you pay it only a few times a year premium is still a good deal for 40€
3. if you love and play the game a lot then you can start buying other shit and at this point money doesnt matter anyways ^^
if you look at the market, 55-100€ a year for a game like this is not a bad deal
Money no more
remove the russian tech tree as a whole
xd
#removebomber