Fire on Board | Swissair Flight 111
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wissair Flight 111 (IATA: SR111, ICAO: SWR111) was a scheduled international passenger flight from New York City, United States, to Geneva, Switzerland. This flight was also a codeshare flight with Delta Air Lines. On 2 September 1998, the McDonnell Douglas MD-11 performing this flight, registration HB-IWF, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean southwest of Halifax International Airport at the entrance to St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia. The crash site was 8 kilometres (5 mi) from shore, roughly equidistant from the tiny fishing and tourist communities of Peggy's Cove and Bayswater. All 229 passengers and crew aboard the MD-11 were killed-the deadliest McDonnell Douglas MD-11 accident in aviation history, and the second-deadliest aviation disaster to occur in Canada, behind Arrow Air Flight 1285, which crashed in 1985 with 256 fatalities. This is one of the three MD-11 accidents with passenger fatalities along with China Eastern Airlines Flight 583 and another hull loss of China Airlines Flight 642.
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I was a friend of First Office Low. He was a sweet, gentle man. This was devastating.
My condolences. 😢💔
Oh sorry for ur friend loss when did u meet him ?
I'm so sorry.
It bit late, but I feel sorry for you, my cousin died on the same flight also
Fishermen from the area went out in their boats right away, there were only pieces left no intact bodies. It was a horrific scene. A big salute to all of the volunteers that went out to try and find survivors.
Correction, there was one intact body found.
Still, those volunteers tried their best. They eventually had to give up after a certain amount of time, but they worked hard.
Amen❤❤
@@stk6mkt no way so so sad😥😥May they rip
The smell of fuel on water was annoying.
Hard to believe that the crash happened due to an entertainment system. Good that you could find and add the actual voice recording, made the video better.
Due bad designed/redesigned power net. Another hard lesson about modify existing designs.
Lamia Mahpara yes
Not sure how an infotainment system could overheat so catastrophically...would have thought that something would fail or crash long before it got so bad...
John Rickard I think it was the flammable insulation near to it? No, I also can’t see how it got so catastrophic. There are various fire fighting equipments on board even then aren’t there? Why would they not have doused the fire out??
and the insulation.
The pilots never gave up until it was too late...
They will be remembered with all the passengers and crew 😢
They are partially the reason for this crash too, they kept screwing around and wasting time by asking permission to dump fuel, they were over the ocean, they should've just immediately dumped it and diverted. Instead they declared pan pan pan, which is a stupid transmission to make, especially when theres a damn fire on the plane. If they had immediately declared a mayday, dumped fuel and headed straight to the airport, they would've made it
@@elitewarrior0076 No, they didn't have time even if they'd taken immediate tax action.
You can hear in the pilots' voice as he says he now has to manually fly that he fully realized that the smoke was now a fire and what that portends.
@@elitewarrior0076 they also made another significant mistake, by them cutting off all extra power (including to the air con) that allowed the fire to reach the cockpit. And yes I agree with your statement, that fuel dump that they were trying to do ultimately sealed the fate of everyone on board. They also should've declared a mayday instead of a pan pan call I agree
@@treygray2817 If they immediately headed straight to Halifax at the first indication of fire, which they had the capability to do, they would have been fine. They could've said "fuck dumping the fuel, we'll land overweight". But instead they were so process-driven that it impeded on their critical thinking.
Just to let people know, this entertainment
system was a CUSTOMER installed system.
We at McD did NOT install it.
Yes, I helped build this aircraft, and a few more.
steve
Steve Skouson You have info on the customer who installed this system? Thanks a lot for the info, and may you have safe and pleasant journeys ahead. Greetings from Scooby from near Chicago.
Scooby, McDonnell Douglas's customer,
on this aircraft, would have been
Swissair.
Whether they did it in house,or contracted
the install out, I have no way of knowing.
By "customer," I meant the buyer did it, (or
had it done) not McDonnell Douglas.
steve
Steve Skouson Okeedokee thanks for the info
@@scoobycarr5558 The IFE system was designed and built by a firm from Arizona, no longer in business. The actual installation (post delivery modification) was performed after the A/C was delivered in Santa Barbara, CA to the best of my recollection. As an airline tech rep (VP) and consultant, I was very familiar with the company that performed the PDM. They too are no longer in business following this tragic crash. It seemed that a main power buss was bypassed by connecting the IFE directly to the generator mains, that came together in the MD-11's overhead. I will never forget that night when I received an air page message from Boeing notifying me of the incident. Swissair believed the installation was performed 100% correctly, and the system itself were safe. Sadly, this is what can more easily happen when work is done outside the manufacturer and the airline's shops.
Alex P There must have been circuit breakers, yes?
Speaking as a pilot who has had an actual smoke in the cockpit emergency, I would (and actually do) have done a few things differently.....
1) On every flight, if possible, I always know the closest airport that can handle whatever plane I'm flying. I also know the rough direction it's at so I can make an immediate turn without wasting time asking Center.
2) The instant I arrived at the conclusion that it was actual smoke and not the normal 'fog' that sometimes happens, I would have begun an immediate and rapid descent, then declared an emergency.
3) As soon as I discovered that I needed to dump fuel, I would begin dumping it, legal or not. Which is better, rained on by fuel mist or rained on by burning debris?
4) I would have busted the 250 knot speed limit below 10,000' and very likely the 200 knot one in a control zone.
If I believe my plane is on fire or at serious risk to be, I will do everything possible to get it on the ground as quickly as possible.
You are correct, these pilots, although very professional, screwed around and did not land at the nearest suitable facility...They should have begun dumping fuel right off, to hell with the enviro-idiots, I am amazed at the messing around with vectors and trying to be environmentally correct. I too, am a pilot and this one has always bothered me...
And you would be well within your right to do all those things. Once a pilot declares an emergency, he can do whatever he needs to get the plane safely on the ground, even if he breaks rules in the process.
Yep, had to do that once or twice....Flying Rotorcraft usually.....
Federal Aviation Regulation 91.3(B) states "In an inflight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule in this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.
So yes, we are indeed allowed to violate any rule we need to in order to maintain the safety of the flight.
It's pretty rare but it's there if we need it.
Even more important, no fear of punishment.
I agree get the plane down nearest airport asap declare emergency then go go go. Every wasted second messing around on the radio
So tragic! Allec, your timely insertion of flames engulfing a myriad of wires was stunning, and sobering. Those poor folks didn't have a chance.
gomphrena -beautiful flower- I recall seeing the burning wires scene and the sea impact on an episode of Mayday, or Air Crash Imvesygation, from which they were taken.
@@aeyb701 ya, Allec sometimes uses clips from relevant shows for the parts the simulator can't show.
It is amazing how from wreckage, a cause can be determined.
I saw on a documentary that they immediately decided to sift through the wiring (thousands of feet of it) to find the source of ignition.
Wreckage is the secondary thing to look on in a crash,first thing is Atc tapes and blackbox recording.
That's what I think is so fascinating about these investigations.
It’s a special kind of heartbreak when the fatal accidents are of no fault to otherwise outstanding pilots. 💔
What are you talking about, the pilots are definitely partially to blame for this. They wasted time with a stupid pan pan pan radio call, if there's a fire or smoke on board, thats automatically a mayday so thats mistake #1, pan pan pan is a pointless radio call. Mistake #2 is that they kept dicking around and asking permission to dump fuel. They were over the ocean, if they would've immediately dumped the fucking fuel and diverted, this accident most likely would not have happened.
@@elitewarrior0076 While that may have been appropriate action, they were dead either way.
I was living in bern, switzerland when that plane went down. My radio alarm went off at six to news reports of the crash coming in. I am not Swiss but had lived in murten and Bern there for several years. Whilst walking my kids to school which starts at 7.30 there, i felt sick at the thought of what those passengers and crew had gone through. I felt such strong and disbelief and sadness.
may all the souls rest in peace😢😢
Sarah Khan +
Larry Barnett I am sorry I am afraid I don't understand
Amen, and it's the 20th Anniversary of this tragedy today 😭😭😭😢😢
Mark & Cauley Chapman, RIP
Thanks for a fine re-post, Allec. Such a sad event. What an irony that which was to make people happy hurt so many...
Those pilots never gave up.
Seriously?
The only pilots who CAN give up in an emergency are those who can eject (military).
Civilian pilots CAN'T give up - if they are unable to land or ditch, then they're dead.
They never gave up but THEY could have landed in Boston albeit heavy and may have needed more runway but they would have been ON THE GROUND!!!!! Pilot error!!!!!!!
Actually, pilots were to procedure driven and missed golden opportunity to get to Halifax rather than Boston. Swissair had staff at Boston and me thinks a good crew hotel. In event of emergency, land the damn aircraft.
@@paulhealey7499 Investigators concluded in the final report that they were doomed from the very beginning due to fast spreading of fire and having no time. Both airports were too far away. They'd have crushed into the ground and took more lives.
Thank you for remastering this, this was probably my favorite from you.
Swissair 111 crashed a mere 25 air miles from the Halifax runway. Not much more than 5-7 minutes flying time away.
It will always be wondered if they could have made it if:
A) the pilots had not delayed to descend more rapidly.
B) not tried to dump fuel.
C) vectored in for a direct runway approach. As the very least, it would have been very close.
It was NOT necessary for 111 to dump fuel. After this event, TWO very similiar heavily overweight planes made safe emergency landings.
That, to me, was the real fatal delay and tragedy.
i calculated it, they couold have made the airport with 5 minutes (at least) to spare
I'm on pilot but someone else was saying it (the report) didn't make sense.
If they had neglected to dump the fuel, the aircraft would’ve been too heavy, and had a greater chance of breaking apart on landing.
@@noahdavidson8733 at least there was a chance at survival
@@RMSAquitaniafan55 there wasn't.
"We have concluded that, even if the pilots could have foreseen the eventual deterioration due to the fire - because of the rapid progression of the fire, they would not have been able to complete a safe landing," said prepared text of comments by Vic Gerden, the chief investigator.
Dude. You are rocking it. These videos gut me but remind me of long standing lessons, such as Valujet and this one really scare the heck out of me when it comes to a fire onboard. I had a window overheat last year and the burning glass was not a pleasant experience especially being my window. I'm really glad I figured out that it was the glass smoking, because about 30 seconds more and I'd have been making a landing in Bimini (we were in descent to FLL). In-flight fires are a pilot's worst enemy and thanks to videos like these they drive the lesson home: LAND, up to and including ditching if there is no where to land, who cares about runway weights or lengths. Get it on the GROUND like the Compass pilots did years ago when the FA put a burning bag into the aft lavatory. I believe the stat was they were on the ground in 7 minutes.
Allec, I don’t care if your vid is a re-upload, I just care that it is a magnificent creation of work. Good vid, man.
Of all the air crashes I’ve heard of this one affected me most because I’ve taken this same flight about 6 months before the crash. This was a crash of a highly reputed airline with s state of the art plane in the MD-11 for its time.
Thank you for the video. I visited Peggy's Cove and the Flight 111 Memorial near by. It was a beautiful sunny day and the sea was completely calm, as I sat on the rocks near the lighthouse, all I could think was about how horrible that night must of been. 😥😥
REST IN PEACE SWISSAIR 111. 😥😥God bless all those on board and the people from Peggy's Cove and the rescue services.🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇭🇨🇭😥
Something i’ve learned from this channel is There’s so many causes for plane crashes. Pilot error, mechanical failure, terrorist bombing/hijacking, pilot suicide,
In-flight entertainment system,
Getting video game from cargo hold.
(Evidently lead to a fuel shortage before getting to destination, but, it started by the plane being held up because someone wanted his video game.)
Omission bias. For every cause of a plane crash, there are thousands upon thousands of things that DON'T cause the plane to crash. It's still statistically safer than driving.
It's mostly pilot error, and there are HUNDREDS of techniques made in order to prevent pilot error in the first place.
This accident and the Valujet crash are the two most haunting crashes for me.
Mr. Downs,there is one more crash you must add to the list. That is Pan American flight 103 which blew up over Lockerbie Scotland. Eight years to the month before it happened, my father Captain Harvey Beebe Jr and I were at JFK airport in New York where I met the cockpit crew of that flight. I had no idea that right years to the month later. Those same three men would die aboard PanAm 103 over Lockerbie Scotland. I still remember meeting those men to this day.
@@Steve1959 I’m sorry to hear that sir, thanks for sharing.
I had a client I drove to Logan airport that afternoon/evening. He was trying to get to Geneva by the next morning. Connecting to JFK on SwissAir 111 was an option, but unlikely due to time. I heard that plane went down and I went bonkers. I had my dispatch calling the company to see where we was. He made another flight to Europe later. Thank goodness...
And I'll bet he thinks about it nearly every day.
With the cabin-ATC voice communication added, and knowing what was to come, it was almost too overwhelming to watch this re-enactment. I can’t believe the captain maintained his calm tone of voice right through his last statement, at which time the cabin was on fire! That old Chuck Yeager pilot's ethos to “maintain an even strain”, along with a by-the-book attitude taken to extremes, caused the pilot to err, fatally, on the side of caution. That poor first officer, alone and flying blind, probably did everyone on board a favor when he augered into the sea.
Of all things - death by entertainment system.
Shoulda used 8g wire vs 14. Simple electrical theory.
it was the fault of the casing, it was flammable.
sounds like an episode of 1,000 Ways To Die
The maintenance or installers of that entertainment system must have been real sloppy.
My mother always said video games were bad...
The heck with flying in style, just get me there in one piece!!!
Great recreation Allec, may the 229 souls rest in peace.
I remember this......I was on holiday in Spain and scheduled to fly home the day the crash was shown on T.V. I will never forget the fear I already had of flying being far greater than any other fear I've ever had. My flight was only 2 hours but I sat rigid the whole time wondering if my flight was also going to crash. I have flown many times since and have managed to control my fears to the take offs and landings. But my last flight a few months ago made all the fears of flying come back....I will not fly again. It's a lottery up there. Some flight ALWAYS ends up with the 'winning' ticket.
The "turning" point in this tragedy is when Zimmerman discarded Low's advice to land immediately regardless of the weight. They were less than 30 miles to Halifax. How can the report state an immediate diversion wouldn't have made any difference? They were 10-12 minutes from putting the plane on the ground at that point. I'm not a pilot but I am an aviation buff and I would think actual smoke in the cockpit, not fog or mist but actual electrical burning smoke, would be an immediate "get on the ground" situation. I think, for all of his accolades, Zimmerman made a tragically bad call here.
He made a judgement call. He must have thought that the risks of an overweight landing outweighed the fire issue. At the time it must not have seemed like the fire was that serious.
That also had 31000 ft to lose, which would I take the best part of 100 miles. So they were 20 mins from landing at least.
I like how you included the photos of the two pilots.
I would recommend that when dialogue is present, the sounds from the engine should be lowered so it can be better understood what the pilot, co-pilot, and air traffic control are saying.
That's useless, because with the engine sound we can feel like we are actually in the aircraft.
I Like Potatoes - but it drowns out the interaction between ATC and the pilots, which is rather tedious!
Opinions are like aholes, everyone's got one. Your difficulty in following along is noted. Allec deserves appreciation for his detailed work and that's it. Don't like the final product? Feel free to make your own videos. And read along with the captions provided.
Mandy Walkden-Brown My I extend our sympathies for your reading difficulties
@@Chief2Moon I spit my coffee all over the place. hilarious.
One detail that was important that you left out was the overheating caused a few of the system’s wires to arc, and that ignited the insulation blankets, which were made of flammable non-metallized Mylar. The only way that stuff passed the flammability test is by cheating and/or bribery.
Right. I heard that before this crash, the military removed Mylar insulation from fighter jets because of the fire hazard. However, what do you expect from McDonnell Douglas ? It is well documented that they cut corners, forged papers, bribed FAA officials and employees and skirted regulations for years, in an attempt to stay in business. The DC-10 had such a horrific reputation because the root of many of the crashes, led back to the haphazard way the plane was built ; faulty cargo door, ( flight 96 and 981), wiring the plane's only back up system to 1 set of controls instead of "cross-wiring", so that in the event of a failure, the warnings would have still activated, not putting in locking systems, that would have prevented the hydraulic fluid from draining and causing an asymmetrical slat retraction ( flight 191 ). The shocking thing about flight 191, was that one of McDonnell Douglas' own executives, died in this crash. If one of my colleagues died because of my greed, I could never live with myself but apparently, those jerks at MDD didn't learn their lesson because they continued the same profits ahead of safety mentality with the MD-11. 😮
It's a coincidence for me because today before the video's upload, I was literally reading about this accident and thinking of what Allec's remake would be like.
Freaky... O_o
Screaming Coloratura your pfp describes it all to me
My friend was supposed to be on this flight but he forgot his passport and had to go home to retrieve it. Thank God.
first officer löw was doing it all, just unlucky timing, rip:(
Can't believe it's already been over 25 years now. This is beyond scary, sad, and frustrating. Those poor people.
Stupid trivia here but this crash occurs 111 weeks after the TWA Flight 800 crash
OMG Really?
And 111 plus 800 equals...?
OMG, conspiracy!
;)
Holy shi
This accident happened two years after twa
Re-read it. He said AFTER, not before.
The last words were “Rauf” which means up in German. (Google Translate)
What always freaks me out about this crash is poor First Officer Löw, who had to fly the stricken jumbo jet, usually manned by three people, alone. When that false engine fire warning kicked on, he probably thought the whole damn thing was blazing behind him, and he must’ve been terrified. At the very least, he must not have felt anything when they hit the water.
This crash always makes me cry 😔
Same, thrust me
The videos have explained why some seemingly minor events take so long and why check lists are good if time consuming.
Man this is a hard one, pilots did all they could till the end sad that some people even tried blaming them. It sucks that it takes accidents like this to fix problems when if the problem was never there this would have never happened.. RIP to all on board
R.i.p.all who died and R.I.P avicii
avicci was on this flight..whaaaaa
What a random name drop. Dude committed suicide like 20 years after this flight, wtf is wrong with you?
@@B3Band This video was uploaded on 21.4.2018, Avicii committed suicide on 20.4.2018. As a big Avicii fan I was just paying respect to Avicii. Got a problem?
Anze Lev
Do it on an avicci fan page then, not here. Plenty people died on that day in the world, doesn’t mean you have to say it on here. Dipshit.🙄
@@spreadthelove77 as you say
September 2nd 2018. It's been 20 years now that this disaster happened.
All my respect and condolences to the 229 victims families & friends. 😔😔😔🤚🤚🤚
Hey Allec, I wish you can make this air disaster videos if you can:
Air crash:
Nigeria Airways Flight 2120: in-flight-fire after take off, under-inflated tire overheated (11 July, 1991)
Malaysian Airline System Flight 653: hijacking (4 December, 1977)
Sita Air Flight 601: excessive drag, engine failure on take off due to bird strike (28 September, 2012)
Yeti Airlines Flight 103: controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) (8 October, 2008)
Agni Air Flight 101: Spatial disorientation (24 August, 2010)
MASwings Flight 3002: crashed into house on approach due to strong wind (10 October, 2013)
Malaysia Airlines Flight 2133: pilot error (15 September, 1995)
Flying Tiger Line Flight 66: controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) due to ATC error and crew error (February 19, 1989)
Proteus Airlines Flight 706 and Cessna 177RG Cardinal: mid-air collision (July 30, 1998)
Trans-Canada Air Lines Flight 831: unknown; possible systems failure (November 29, 1963)
Pacific Western Airlines Flight 314: runway incursion, thrust reverser deployment during go-around (11 February, 1978)
Air Inter Flight 148: Controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) (20 January, 1992)
1960 New York mid-air collision (United Airlines Flight 826 and Trans World Airlines Flight 266): mid-air collision (16 December, 1960)
1956 Grand Canyon mid-air collision (United Airlines Flight 718 and Trans World Airlines Flight 2): mid-air collision due to inadequate air traffic control system (June 30, 1956)
Aerolinee Itavia Flight 870: disputed cause. Main theories: shot down (proposed by the Italian government) terrorist bomb (proposed by the British AAIB) (27 June, 1980)
Iran Air Flight 655: shot down by USS Vincennes (3 July, 1988)
1972 Andes Flight disaster or 1972 the Andes plane crash (Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571): controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) due to pilot error, 72-day survival (13 October, 1972-23 December, 1972)
Can’t wait for this
Yeah!
SunnyFon
@Sunnyfon Wait a Minute you know Mh653 and Mh2133? I know those planes
@Bro Haikal yes I know them.
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Swissair Flight 111
May the passengers and crew of Swissair 111 heavy RIP.
A fatal tragic loss due to an ambiguity of language terms, lapses in concentration and further prevarication and delay resulted in collapse of crew management resources.
The fire is so big that it can break in easily and the smoke that is from the fire will make the pilots blind.
The folks from the East Coast are some the nicest folks you'll know. I remember hearing stories about that day, and how nearly all of Nova Scotia became a place for folks who lost family to stay.
Rest in Peace to all the passengers and crews that perished on Swissair Flight 111.
Thanx a lot, amazing job, as usually...
oy vey, never a good sign when there are photos of the pilots at the start.
Especially when they are vintage. You know right away it doesn't end well.
Yip.
Like those grainy high school photos at the start of a Ted Bundy documentary.
You just know that ain’t ending well.....
Or the plane is a DC-10/MD-11 :)
The Airlines have improved their fire-suppression methods over the past few decades but cabin fires that end up burning through cables and Hydraulic lines are still occuring.
RIP 111
When the crew first noticed the smoke, if they would've took immediate action by diverting to Halifax, and forego dumping the fuel, would they still have made it? They were about 66 nautical miles out, and had about 15 to 20 min before the fire took out their instruments. Maybe they would've made it, maybe not. The NTSB report said negative on a successful return to Halifax. If they didn't have enough time, then their only option was to ditch in the ocean.
This one always especially haunted me. Those poor people knew they were doomed for over twenty minutes, and the valiant effort by the pilots was in vain. All air accidents are tragedies and beyond sad, but this one just hit me and I remember it so well.
Another great remake! Waiting for a remake of Saudi Air 163
The impact of the radio dying (forcing the first officer to attempt to navigate to Halifax in the dark with no instruments and no ATC guidance), and the impact of the time of day (night), cannot be overstated. Without either, the chance of a safe landing would have been very high. With both, it was almost impossible. So sad that pure chance and circumstance, on top of the fire, sealed their fate.
Those pilots tried so hard to fight the fire! If they were able to land, then they could’ve been awarded for their actions
I've done my own calculations, the aircraft needed only 10 minutes to make it to the airport, they had at least 15 before the plane crashed, had they not circled they would have made it
The NTSB investigation determined that had they declared an emergency and rerouted to the nearest airport immediately, they still would've had insufficient time to land. I'm going to trust their determination since they had all the facts.
@@AmyAnnLand You do realise they have covered up quite a bit of crashed?
@@RMSAquitaniafan55 The FBI themselves know just how shady NTSB investigations can be. Just look up Flight TWA 800. To this day, *the FBI maintains that the flight was shot down by a missile, but was covered up by the NTSB!* That sounds like a tin foil hatter level conspiracy if it weren't for the fact that an official, federal government investigatory agency was the ones saying those things!
Ah yes. Let's fuel the baseless but infinitely more sexy conspiracy theories. They are easy to start, and nearly impossible to refute by their very nature.
Let me also say that your remark below about the integrity of NTSB investigations is particularly shameful. TWA 800 was destroyed by a problem with electrical arcing in the central fuel tank which caused it to explode. There was no hard evidence of a missile attack. Zero. None. Not then, not now. Yet, you'll likely reply and say that the lack of evidence of a missile attack is, in fact, proof of a conspiracy to hide your mysterious missile attack. Or, that witnesses who thought they saw a missile attack, but actually saw the plane coming down, were somehow suppressed or paid off. Or, that the government talked all of the NTSB and FBI professionals involved in the investigation into going along with a massive coverup -- a coverup that was so good it's apparently not leaked in 20 years. Give your head a shake. Stop posting baseless nonsense.
@@Dukky1968 No, YOU stop posting baseless nonsense. The FBI complained on multiple accounts that the NTSB refused to cooperate with them, and had even accused them of destroying evidence. Understand you're not arguing with my claims. You're arguing with FBI claims.
A number of comments have been made about the possibility of a direct approach into Halifax. As I understand it they would not have been successful. I'm glad they did not crash into Middle Sackville or any one of the suburban communities that surround Halifax. That said may the souls of those who died rest in peace and may light perpetual shine upon them.
thanks allec this is great
The showing of the pilot's pictures at the beginning of the video means that this won't end well
Damn, and here I was hoping they'd make it. But when the flight instruments went out, I knew it was going to be rough.
The MD 11 had a max landing weight of 195 tonnes. At 230 tonnes they were 15% over. Is that within a reasonable safety margin?
And why wait to dump, if you need to dump just dump, like they did over LA last month
Been living in Europe for 5 years, very left here and no wonder the crew, while smoke is detected still decides to fly over the ocean to dump fuel. They should have begun right away and perhaps some land below will be rained on by fuel but so what?
I was hoping for a different outcome..
Even when the pilots go by the book they still get criticized
Criticized because they could've done it better, why dump? Just emergency land at Halifax instead of dumping into the ocean and there, you're done.
I didn't know Zimmermann was incapacitated whilst fighting the fire
You can't help but reflect upon the fact that less than a month before Flight 111 crashed, HB-IWF had its bus-tie sensing relay replaced because of a fire that had occurred in Bangkok on August 3rd, 1998. Swissair maintenance ordered the replacement of all MD-11 bus-tie relays that very next day.
The technician installing the new relay in HB-IWF made an error, and when it was powered up, it shorted out. A short in Kapton wiring is SERIOUS. Faults can be induced both upstream and downstream in wiring bundles and components. You have to wonder just how extensively the associated wiring was checked out after the short circuit. It's difficult to be persuaded that the installation fault was simply rectified and all was then guaranteed to be as new.
I am not a pilot but in my opinion when there is smoke you do not shut the vent and keep fooling around with fuel dump, vectors, etc...etc...you declare emergency and land!Period!
At 3:36 into video pan pan pan, smoke 2 times in cockpit, should have immediately found a close airport, hell even military, but get that plane on the ground period...
My opinion if I may:
First sign of smoke in the cabin/cockpit, immediately descend to minimum safe altitude while turning toward the nearest available airport. Declare emergency. Then do whatever you, as PIC, deem necessary for the safety of your aircraft.
If you have fire in the cockpit, you and everyone else on board the aircraft likely have only a short time to live:
Throttles all the way back., full flaps, ditch/crash land the aircraft in the Atlantic, Everglades, woodlands, etc. There are very few options when there's a fire on board an aircraft. Choose wisely and with a sense of urgency.
Low, the co, is father to Sebastian Low, famous Swiss footballer currently on Swiss national team ...
Is that true? That is so interesting.
100% false, made up bullshit. There is no such player by that name on any professional squad. anywhere in the world. Check transfermarkt yourself. If he's not on there, he doesn't exist. Why do people feel the need to make up dumb shit like this? Because they don't offer anything useful in their personal lives, that's why. So they have to feel "useful" by making up shit.
I can’t image the amount of deaths rip
Can't you do the 1960 new york mid air collision?
BE PATIENT
They may not have made it to the airport but I wonder if the visual lights on the ground may have aided them and perhaps they could have landed somewhere. That being said...the stress pilots face is incredible and I respect all of them. An emergency in the air has to be intense. Such a sad case. Wonderful video.
A couple on this flight, attended a church affiliated with mine. Their pastor was James McDonald and his church was in Chicago. I didn't know the couple but knowing that they were part of my spiritual family, was devastating.😢 .I haver flown a DC-10, or it's sucessor the MD-11 because of the poor reputation that both planes had. I was livid when Boeing merged with McDonnell Douglas and brought some of MDD's executives into the company. Now Boeing is suffering because the 737 max 8 is bringing a stain to the once respected manufacturer. Rest in peace my spiritual brother and sister and to all who perished in this horrific disaster.✝️✈️🤲
I like the sound of humming engines at night at an airport sounds calming
swissair puts in an entrtainment system but no smoke detectors or 'sprinkler' system? wow, huge and deadly mistake and oversight. at first hint ofsmoke any plane should land immediately, thats why smoke detectors are needed.
I can't help but feel like a sprinkler system for an electrical fire wouldn't be a good idea, but you are right about smoke detectors. I think they didn't because this was the first time entertainment systems had been installed, so there was an oversight.
One of the saddest accidents... RIP
Did You Know?: Atlantic Ocean is the coldest ocean in the whole world
12:28 he is saying “Krauf!” which means “up” so basically he was panicking and this single word was also directly the last word from swiss air 111 before it plunged into the sea
2008 RUclips OG its not nordic krauf is german and it means “up”
For anyone who wanted to know: Low is pronounced Lurv
It also had an unseen Picasso works in there.. and some other secret stuff
Well done once again!!
Great Vid (AS ALWAYS!)
It was stated that the 66 nautical miles to Halifax would take 20 minutes? 60 mph = 1 mile/minute so how fast was the plane travelling!!!!? Only 198 mph? At 400 mph is around 10 minutes.
at a cruise alt, it would take about 9 minutes at around 400kts, at a lower alt of 15000 feet, they still could have done it in 10 or less
Best video yet Allec. With 12 years on the aircraft I first would say what happened to the British pilot?? I would have had him on the jump seat for sure. Heck with a fuel dump in the case of FIRE! What happened to the RAT?0 I would not delay for approach control. I would go direct to the airport. I would tell them unable delay. I need to LAND NOW!!!
Honestly I like this one. Better than the last one.
May the passengers and crew of Swissair 111 RIP and may our hearts, prayers and condolences go out to their families and loved ones. That ATC controller must have had some terrible nightmares due to this very tragic accident.
Gosh! I need to stop watching such videos as it scares me. And btw the video was awesome..
The captain was very focused on dumping that fuel. I always wondered why. Maybe it was because he thought, with fire and full of fuel landing would be sure death ...
I feel like the flight crew grossly underreacted. They may still not have survived but it may have bettered their odds. Their tone didn't ever convey how much distress the plane was in. The ATC should have been informed that one of the crew members were down because of the fire. They made the problem sound way more benign than it was and ATC might have been better equipped to help them in a more timely and effective fashion had they not.
Dear pilots with fire / Smoke / Smell on board: Please land as soon as possible, without dumping fuel. Then everybody had a bigger chance to survive. Fire and smoke are not to underestimate the danger. A little bit of smell or smoke can create a dangerous situation, which often is hidden somewhere, and shut up one system after the other or create a damage at the main structure. When you have fire in the cockpit there is no more rescue.
even though i knew the outcome, i really thought they might've made it. thanks for the incredible video.
Next video: Southwest 1380 with Audio recordings please!
Oh yes
This is one of your best videos bro
Ammeters at appropriate areas of the circuit will and should be monitered by a engineer familiar with electronics obviously there probably was resistance that should,would have been noticed and the apprpriate fuses installed during the ground tests.. Improper size of wires and length as well as any new system should have an independent power supply from the battery radios use huge current on transmitt ,so current draw tests should be monitered on transmit button on and there was a radio problem that might shine a light on things.
Are there ammeters or is it a light system? On a plane ,if mine, I would have volt and ammeters as well as a lwarning light.
Are the wires aluminum instead of more fire proof copper?
Can you do southwest flight 345 next?
Smoke is a sign of fire... The pilot should have declared an emergency and landed immediately. That is a grave pilot error!
The insulation blankets were *claimed* to pass the fire test, but vertical flame tests run on this material after this accident showed they did not self-extinguish.