Boss Analysis - Pathetic Final Bosses: Fomortiis
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- When you reach the very end of a game and have to defeat the final boss to order to earn the right to finish the adventure, it can be a very scary and tense time. But not all final bosses are much of a threat. In fact, some of them are utterly pathetic, and there's no way they could possibly challenge you if you've already overcome every other obstacle in the game.
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It's always a shame when a boss with a intimidating design turns out to be a cakewalk...
Depends on the context, intimidating bosses ending up being really easy can be a good sign of how far you've progressed since the first time you encountered them..
Exactly how I feel about Nashandra from dark souls 2 lol
I don't feel that way about fighting say Ganon in LoZ:TP where the whole story for Link felt like one where he was **supposed** to be exceptionally prepared to win unquestionably.
It's a fitting conclusion for one who inherited the experience and blessings of his ancestor, the Hero of Time, who could finally rest in peace after passing on his teachings. In that sense, Ganon's intimidating factor within the story is preserved, but what leads to his defeat feels appropriate.
Turn based strategy games always tend to struggle making interesting and challenging boss fights that aren’t just stats bags. The last few FE seems to have done better in that area though.
Im pretty sure Undertale players know that, but even the secret final boss of MCD can be one shot, and most of the time, if you can slay the boss of a level quickly, it can infact give you powerful UNIQUE equipment. So, @@Superbloxen there's a lot.
3:23 In the English Wii U release, he DID summon promoted monsters. He even had a chance to call necrodragons
you can also berserk the Zombie Dragons and they can kick his ass, as they are really strong and their attacks ignore defense.
@@mauricesteel4995 that is hilarious
not only the WiiU Version - still have my gba copy and he summons Draco Zombies.
That’s just all localized versions not just Wii U
I do quite enjoy that his summons are stronger than he is
The Demon King can throw hands, that's a feat that no other FE final boss has accomplished.
While Julius is pathetic once you send a Julia with the Book of Naga at him, getting Julia back in the first place is indeed a pain. That's the real final boss of FE4.
Also trying to beat him without Naga even with the other Holy Weapons due to his innate Damage Reduction
Or just berserk that one Deadlord who wield Hel tome (which reduce HP to 1 on hit)
It’s a proud tradition to have you cover a FE boss in these kinds of videos at this point.
At least Formortiis is cool in Heroes…
Yeah, Heroes redeemed him. 👍
@@ThermalVoid Heroes did the same for Idunn, don't forget.
Force a critical hit with the triangle attack having the attacker promoted into wyvern lord and if it toggles pierce you kill Formortiis in a single blow with a weak weapon. Also the bishop have the slayer skill, that makes them effective against monsters with any light tome they use.
In tactics RPGs, when in doubt, stay just outside the boss' attacking range, then drop multiple ally units on the boss simultaneously to take it out in a single turn (or at least deal as much damage as possible).
Almost every boss battle in Disgaea 7 boils down to this, as the map automatically ends when you kill the boss (though occasionally there's more then one boss). Pretty sure I one turn cycled every boss in that game, including the final boss. All proceeding turns was to get my units in position (or sometimes, bait the boss into position).
3:41 AYYYYYYYY Great Knight Franz! He was my MVP in my first run and has been ever since. Gharm was the cherry on top.
Fun story, my first encounter with Fomortiis did NOT go well. When I saw he had ?? HP I thought it meant he was basically invincible until I killed all his summoned monsters. The fact that they're saying he's ridiculously powerful in universe and had a mountain of corpses around him meant I had to sacrifice some characters. Throw that in with how terrified I was of weapons breaking at the worst times, I hardly ever used the sacred ones for fear of needing them later. This was the first Fire Emblem game I played way back when I was like 10, so I thought there might be some kind of superboss afterwards. Sadly I never did get to finish this fight because my cartridge was bugged and would often reset all my data.
...That's...
I don't know what to make of that.
The boss was so weak it looped back around to being hard lol
@@Orng9987 Underflow error.
@jayceofspades7195 My cartridge did the same thing too!
The Rom Hack Sacred Trilogy actually makes him a challenge….but I still ended up getting lucky with a crit aether on Erika
4:13 You are correct, in western versions he starts off with Demon Light equipped which also gives him higher stat bonuses in addition to a ranged counter attack. Prior to this video, I'd literally never seen him use any of his other attacks, I literally just kill him before he switches lol. One of the things that makes Fomortiis such a pushover is the ability to infinitely grind the game prior to fighting him, so you can just have a bunch of max level units rolling up on a Final Boss who doesn't have an annoying gimmick to artificially raise the difficulty either.
That's the first time I've ever seen Nightmare's attack animation, which says a lot.
He can do all these cool things that you never see because he dies in 2 turns at worst
He's actually a really neat fight if you don't use legendary weapons or Myyrh at all, and dealing with Nightmare is one of the more interesting challenges of Fire Emblem, period.
People WILL die, you need to juggle dealing with summons, since you can't focus him down without unreasonably lucky crits or bishopspam, and the whole thing really puts the absolutely cracked units you have in Sacred Stones to the test.
Shout out to the Berserk staff though. If you Berserk one of the dragon zombies, they WRECK him.
Haha effective weapon go brrrrrrrr
I will say, he's a really fun fight if you don't use legendary weapons or Myyrh.
People WILL die unless you get extraordinarily lucky or have an ironclad strategy
I was about to ask if you knew Idunn. Good.
As for Fomortiis, one idea I had was giving him a long map with tons of monster reinforcements. That way, you have a long fight to get to him, where its not only about getting to him, but having enough uses on your weapons to beat him. This would also reward good warp and rescue staff uses.
0:55 Probably your funniest bio yet
how is he horny.
If FE8 had the same SE modifier that FE7 did in western releases, fomortiis would jump significantly in difficulty.
Edit: Damn I didn't knew it was actually x2 effective vs fomortiis (outside of bishops) they really shouldn't have been SE vs him then.
That actually does happen. All Sacred Twin Weapons are only double effective against monsters (and Nidhogg is only double effective against fliers due to how effectiveness is coded) to counterbalance their incredibly high might. As a quirk, it also overrides the Bishop’s Slayer skill, making it so that Aura does slightly more damage against monsters.
Isn't it sad that one of the few final bosses from FE, who is not a dark dragon worshipped by a cult, is this pathetic?
Who would win? The Demon Dragon? The Demon King? Or a random Fire Dragon?
The result would surprise you
We can say the same about Thracia.😊
You know how he has "??" HP? Sacred Stones was my first FE game, and when I didn't see his HP bar change after attacking him, I thought he was invulnerable. So I decided to back off, thinking I had to survive a couple turns before something would happen and I'd be able to attack him properly. Nope. After a while his monster summons cornered me, then he put my most useful characters to sleep, and suddenly this boss turned into a very intense fight. Couple of my favourites died on the very last map :( Still, it did make for a more memorable experience than if I knew I just had to keep wailing him.
the first time i saw an enemy in a SRPG with ??? HP values was when i saw the Lucavi Demons in FFT, i thought they all had over 1000 HP and were way more difficult to kill than they actually were.
In my case, the first time seing hidden HP values was SRW OG1, where it meant the enemy in particular had 6-digit current HP. (emphasis on current HP, the moment they drop below 100k, it's visible). That's generally reserved for lategame bosses, naturally.
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Demon king was genuinely a challenge on a randomized playthrough I did. I wad given 0 of the legendary weapons outside of gliphnir so I had to actually plan it out. Only had to sacrifice one unit lol
The Disgaea series has made a surprising amount of one-enemy maps. Disgaea 2 and 6 even made final maps like that with pitiful results.
I haven't played 2, but I can definitely talk about 6. Disgaea 6 is *obsessed* with one-enemy boss maps, and they're always damage sponges to make them comply to Auto Battle. The Super God Of Destruction (yes that's seriously his title) somehow decides to simplify the boss fight even more than before by being a stationary enemy. Since Disgaea has no permadeath, this reduces the fight to a consequence free numbers game. And 6's meta builds can make regular attacks more powerful than skills so even MP shortage won't be a problem.
Yeah
6 has this really bad. I just don't talk much about 6. There's 7 disgaea games, they just skipped the number 6 for some reason, and have DD2 in there.
I really like Bloodis and Xenolith though. (Actually I think Xenolith has some adds, so) Xenolith in particular, he has such an interesting Evility that warps the way you deal with the fight.
Also DD2 Baal is *chef's kiss*
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Bloodis in particular really baffles me because it shows how they could've done things for the God of Destruction- first he's fighting you at a level higher than you're expected to be with a movepool that includes powerful attacks and status effects. Next he's at a more manageable level but no longer fighting alone. Then he starts alternating.
Pathetic showing, Fomortiis. You need to improve for next time. Start with strengthening your resistance to having your soul drained, that's a weak point.
It's especially funny when you compare it to Blazing Blade's Boss who's basically the same, but better in (almost) every point.
It always inflicts fixed damage, and is virtually impossible to avoid (184 Accuracy.). Instead of having tons of powerful weapons effective against it, there's only 4, all Prf weapons . They all weighs a ton, so you won't double, and are actually likely to get doubled yourself.
Athos with Luna is your best option, but he won't survive two turns of combat.
It is also harder in the international version, funnily enough, because effectiveness was reduced from *3 to *2
Actually, it is 5, and Aureoka isn't a personal weapon. Also, Luna is the best weapon against him, and you can use Luna with Athos, heal him, Luna in EP, heal him again, repeat, and he dies.
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Well damn, I was expecting the release of these parts to be a lot more spread out than, releasing them daily it seem? Ok. Here I was expecting them to be at least a week apart, but I welcome this.
I’ll say this though, he still hits like a truck, so you still risk accidentally flying too close to the sun with melee, plus his boss theme is pretty intimidating yet adventurous even if he can be killed easy
hard bosses in FE kinda don't really work tbh, because of the random nature of the player army's stats and composition
The Black Knight (PoR) and Ashnard are "hard bosses" with big stats and they both fucking suck because if your Ike got stat screwed you can't do anything but go fuck yourself against the BK, or engage in a multiple turn long slugfest using Giffca/Tibarn with Ashnard, with basically no actual strategy involved
To be honest, the best FE final bosses are ones that are "part of the map" so to speak, like Nemesis (3H) or Sombron (Engage), where instead of being a one-and-done setpiece that is either done in one or two hits (Fomortiis) or takes ages to whittle down as you do nothing else (Julius), the boss isn't exactly a pushover, but the real challenge is reaching him/making him vulnerable
(You could argue that Julius counts since he's the ending of a much longer map, but the actual fight still takes way too long for something that's just clicking attack and healing up every turn before he finally dies, and you don't really feel his presence for the rest of the map the same way you do Nemesis')
To be fair, you can just choose to retreat against the Black Knight. Ashnard is a different story, but at least the laguz are there as a failsafe.
@gyppygirl2021, except when you play Hard or Lunatic and they can't save your ass in the first phase where your carry is Ena.
Fomortiis is also bullied by game design. At the end games, Sacred Weapons are one thing, but the twins are basically true powerhouse at that point. I found the final trial ruin is actually more difficult than Fomortiis, and finishing it before endgame gives you massive amount of experience that trivializes everything, and in my first playthrough, I made a mistake finish it first, and all of my units were level capped, including the ones I benched until then.
This is a really sad boss, some romhacks always try to make this one harder
Many Fire Emblems lack complex mechanics, so the final bosses just end up being HP sponges. The recent games have finally started to fix these issues.
I'll make it a point to defeat him without effective damage during my next playthrough.
I'd say it's hard to call him the weakest even in the series but it's pretty easy in any of the games to typically 1 turn the final boss.
Even when they are hard like FE12 Lunatic Medeus.
At least with Idunn she's kind of meant to be a joke lore-wise. Fomortiis though? Why is this massive demon who the game has been hyping up for many chapters this easy to dunk on?
Massive HUSK of a demon, not the demon itself who was sealed in the sacred Stone. You don't fight Fomortiis, you fight what's essentially his Shed Skin.
Ngl didn't expect an FE video for the next few years but hey, am here for it. But yea, I think everyone agrees just how ridiculous these bosses are
Okay, but how come nobody is talking about how Symphony of War did this exact same idea 100 times better?
Dat design tho~
I never saw him equip much less use ravager or the AOE at all because he went down so easily.
I think when looking at FE Final Bosses we should consider the entire chapter built around it as part of the challenge. Especially when Bosses like Duma can always participate during the map just as regular enemies or when doing something on the map like defeating the bosses during the Golden Deer Route Final boss contributes in a victory... Even then though, Idounn and Formortis arent really good...
From a gamedesign perspective I think many fe final bosses where designed around the fact that units can permanently die so this explains the ammount of good weapons in FE8 (though you will always have the lords who will force reset chapters because game overs, however most of them excluding Ephraim can grow bad). Or why many games have that one Solution like Julias Narga Book or the Falchion in Shadow Dragon (on normal and not on H5 at least).
an easy boss, with a sick final boss design..?
Not sure if it would be considered too easy of a target, but the Spider Mastermind from Ultimate Doom definitely qualifies for a pathetic final boss. When I played Doom on Xbox Live Arcade and reached her for the first time (I played Doom on the PC prior but never all the way through), imagine my shock when she was done in after 2 BFG shots. She doesn't fare much better in Doom 2 or Final Doom, either. You always either have a BFG that can 2-shot her, or there's loads of cover that make it piss easy to avoid her chaingun.
Thankfully, Doom 2016 redeemed the Spider Mastermind and turned her into an actual proper final boss. It's still somewhat on the easy side, but you at least have to try... assuming you don't use the BFG weapon wheel glitch that melts her health bar in seconds. Dang, even in the reboot, she can't catch a break.
Never mind two-shotting her, if you can get point blank before firing the BFG, it can potentially *one-shot* her due to how it works.
Did you write easy-egypt? Is that a fun phrase for "very easy"?
It would be cool to see how strong you would have made him by using a character editor to improve his stats.
Still not as easy as Imperiator IX or whatever his name is from Sonic Chronicles. Yes, you technically fight him several times as a form of a final battle, but I don't see those as Phases since he goes from fighting one team, then when he loses he fights the other team, and yes, *those* battles are a bit tricky, but I'm talking about IX vs Super Sonic, the final final battle.
It's literally just follow the commands for like, 4 turns. There's not really a way to lose here unless you try...
As much as i absolutely adore the gba fire emblems, itll always be a shame that 2 of their final bosses will always be pathetically easy. Imo, the fe7 dragon is the only difficult one
Ashnard have deserved the spot in the Bosses i Hate category. The dumbest bossfight in the series.
Why are you playing the jpn version
He punches? I don't remember him punching before? I played the english version
New video dropped, today finna be a good day fr fr
I still think Idünn is easier.
I own this game! Fomortiis stats are the same as the Japanese version
i think Nintendo unity just borrowed your idea lol...
Definitely disappointing bosses in some FE Games.
Gotta Take a page out of Octopath Traveler. Everytime I fight Galdera I flip out (AND they made him tougher in OT2)
At least you don't have to do an 8 boss gauntlet in 2.
@@thediabolicalraisin8953oh really, that’s a blessing. That was a nightmare in itself
Oh god if you think fomo is easy take a look at thracia, you fight a generic dark bishop in that game with 0 spd and everything below 15 in every stat
This looks like bad coding
Those are promoted monsters in the US version. Pretty scary if you don't know you can rush him, especially if Draco Zombies are mixed in, but survivable. And of course a non-issue if you wallop him with your hardest hitters from the word "go".
For all the problems he caused when he was behind the scenes manipulating everything, when push comes to shove, he's not so tough. That's pretty common in Fire Emblem, now I think about it, although there have been plenty of bosses that buck that trend. (FE12 Medeus comes to mind, largely due to obscene levels of dragon spam. I've also heard a *lot* about a certain archer.)
Incidentally, the final boss of the ROM Hack Illusory Dungeon is a reskinned Fomortiis. He's absolutely a pushover compared to the giant enemy gauntlet before him. His weapons have 0 might in that hack! But Illusory Dungeon is a Roguelike, so you could be stuck with a crappy team, and you only get one super-weapon, which doesn't get effective damage against him (though it's still pretty strong).
yea man, those draco zombies were a pain, if they put like 2 or 4 around him before the fight and put him a little futher up in the map we would have a hard battle, and imagine if he also had something to heal him.
Btw the "weak pushover mastermind" archetype reminds me of manfloy on FE4, bro manipulated to revive Loptyr, kill sigurd and everything, only to evaporate faster than a spec of dust in the wind.
lorewise it makes some sense that he was rather weak, as all we are fighting is the empty husk of Fomortiis, not the fully reborn Demon King, and thats why i think he has stupid 50 points stat caps all around, to show we are fighting a weakened version of the real deal.
@@mauricesteel4995 This is the interpretation I prefer to go with, just because it makes the most sense. If we were fighting all of Fomortiis, the outcome would be very different.
4:12 Can confirm! He always has Demon Light equipped and rarely switches to Ravager
Yeah
He pretty much only uses it if you box him in at one range, or only have a longbow unit in range
Honestly would be down to see your FE final boss ranking
I would argue FE isn't about the bosses; that's at the end of a sometimes lengthy chapter; getting there is the part involving tactics and making full use of your party. Defeating the boss is only interesting if you want to do it quickly anyways.
FE does have the unfortunate trend of making the final boss someone you can only defeat with 1 or 2 specific units, usually including the main lord. FE1 and FE 3 did it with Marth and Tiki (same for FE11 & FE12), FE4 was intended to be beaten with Julia specifically (some other units are usable, but outclassed), FE6 has Roy and Fah, FE7 is a little better - letting you use the 3 lords and Athos - FE9 makes you use Ike and the royal laguz, and FE13 makes you use Chrom and Lucina (technically not, but... c'mon). Haven't played FE2, FE14, FE15, or FE17.
All of those bosses suck; fundamentally, Fire Emblem is about building an army, so making that entire army useless against the final boss is a terrible idea, and goes against the spirit of the franchise itself. With that in mind, I consider Fomortis to be one of the better final bosses, because you can actually use your whole army against him. It's easy, but at least they're involved. Worth noting the boss was buffed a bit in the international versions of the game; if he lives long enough, the monsters he summons are stronger. Idk if his stats are better; he's still a chump if you rush him.
FE10 was probably the first game in the franchise to have a satisfying final boss. You have to get the finishing blow with Ike (for some reason), but otherwise you get to use your whole army, and it can't be trivialized in a single turn.
tbf in the Idunn case, you're basically putting a sad existence out of its misery. Zephiel complaints, however, work just fine.
Annnnd Formortiis HAS no excuse.
Yeah, I always thought Idunn was deliberately easy. She isn't even a fighter to begin with, she's a factory - she exists to create war dragons, and because the Binding Blade is Super Effective against dragons, it's easy to save her.
@@Manavine Empty Shell without soul. He's more or less in autopilot right when you fight him. He's more akin to a drugged person by sedatives than a destroyer when we fought him, and in my book, that's count as a PRETTY VALID reason to not be so broken but maybe that's just me
ahh yes
Formotiis
the person that summons actually threatening necrodragons yet inst as strong as one himself
Yeah Fomortiis didn't account for Tower of Valni. You see this is a little misleading. It's a piece of cake when you over-level your characters, but if you play in a reasonably quick pace he's no joke. You'll have to think really hard who attacks him cause most of the cast cannot survive a retaliation.
Damn, they look really cool! Shame they’re lousy performance wise :p
Fomotis
One of a few Fire Emblem bosses with an MAP attack, but is pitifully easy
Fun Fact: This Boss can be One Shot with a crit from anybody with enough strength/magic, plus with whatever support bonuses said character has.
Fomortiis kinda uhh... really weak xD I did see a hack where max stats Fomortiis obliterates EVERYTHING except for a max stats Myrrh... But again, that's a hack, not official content
I like to think that max stats Fomortiis is what the fight would have been like if his soul hadn't been captured by the Sacred Stone. We're just fighting his body canonically, so it's not a surprise that it isn't as strong as it could be.
But he looks so cool though! Lol
Idoun is way worse. Even with max stats she basically gets 2-rounded by base stats Roy. Formortis is at least somewhat challenging if aren’t lucky with your growths.
Two videos in two days? How you spoil us.
Because you talked about only the Japanese version and made to be continued, can you will talk about his international version ? (And the weird stat bonus his recieve despite not being used ?)
Off topic but do you plan to talk about new nintendo direct ?
I'm almost surprised the title isn't "Fourmoretiss"
Anyone want to check out how I easily beat this guy?
Hint: It involves the right Supports. Fire + Wind, especially.
I've pretty much never had issues fighting Fomortiis, because usually the trio of Ross, Ephraim, and Seth just full scale annihilate him with Garm, Siegmund, and Vidofnir respectively. Also Ewan with Luna in my most recent run because using the Metis' Tome on him while he was still Trainee Level 1 and leveling him all the way to 10/20/20 maxed him in every stat except HP and Defense (and he was close on both at 53HP and 17 Defense.
Fun fact, I've never seen him use Nightmare until I saw this video. I always seemed to think there was some sort of bug that prevented him from doing so.
Ironically though Fomortiis is downright ridiculously strong in Fire Emblem Heroes. Mainly due to a lack of legendary weapon weaknesses and his ability to get a guaranteed double and basically guaranteed Bonfire proc
Unbelievable, another FE video :D
If considering a noob player with less unit and that the player didn't know optimized weapon, maybe this bosses is in the end for them (to be balanced for them)?
as much as i don't like if this is the intention, it will be crapton impossible for this kind of player to defeat the boss, otherwise the only option is resetting the game and try all over again, and this is forcing 'optimizing play' that i feel like can be shallow sometime, and have less depth if this is what the developer wanted.
Hah, I recognize that sprite from 8-bit Theatre.
All the FE games I've played (currently playing 3H) have the same issue where the early game is brutally hard but the late game is easy once you've gotten your troops to the peak of their strength and potential. Of course this fight would be harder if he summoned his monsters as the fight began instead of wasting a turn. You're an army that is used to fighting huge enemy armies- a single target just can't be as threatening unless you make them nearly invincible. How about a list of all the Fire Emblem Final Bosses and where they rank in difficulty?
That'd be a fun one. I can think of some contenders already. Ashnard, Ashera, Duma, Grima, and Medeus (especially the second time) all didn't mess around. Not sure what 3H's final bosses or Engage's final boss look like, but I've heard plenty about *a certain archer.*
Fomortiis would really benefit of not being on Melee Range of Eirika and Ephraim on turn 1. he could be a lot further and be a time bomb summoning waves of monsters until you reach him, wait, thats Fire Emblem Gaiden.
Sacred Stones content is always 10/10.
Anyway, I completely agree that he's stronger than Idunn but still pathetically weak. If I had to make him stronger, I would say: Way more Hp (300?), monsters already on the map, he can attack after summoning monsters, and he can teleport across the map every so often, thiuygh I think removing his stone abaility would be for the best if he was improved so severely. Fomortiis CAN be dangerous, you just need to give him several turns to setup. It's like a really bad version of Ashera.