True Endgame - Micro LED Monitors (240Hz & 4000nits)
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True Endgame - Micro LED Monitors (240Hz & 4000nits)
Micro LED TVs keep shrinking in size every year and pushing the envelope in terms of HDR brightness. Recently a 38" TV or possibly monitor was shown off at what appears to be some sort of trade show. This monitor is very likely capable of 4000nits HDR as well as a lightning fast 240Hz refresh rate and 2 nanosecond response times. What we don't know is what resolution this monitor or TV is, and what it will be priced at and when it will be available, although next year would be likely based on current micro LED availability.
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Looking forward to affordable prices in 10 years
By that time, Oleds and Mini Leds will get better and much more affordable.
10 years ,u will probably die
Eh couple years, but I do mean a couple.
Instead of wasting your lifes in the next 10 years, do something to become rich, if you give your best you will be rich in 2-3 years even possible in 1 year. there you have it. now you could afford everything
10 years is realistic there is a 114in already on market for $138k
FYI it’s only a prototype & its resolution is less than 1080P. Samsung has been showing prototypes of this size & type for years with none coming to market. The only official Samsung MicroLEDs coming to market are all 4K, above 70”, & include six figure price tags.
We are probably a long way off from 4K 48” or below at a reasonable price 😭😭😭
@@thedisplayguy i want buy 4k 24 inch 240 hz gaming monitor not 32 inch
@@woami3083for me I want a 45" 240hz 4k Ultrawide with at least 1200 nits peak brightness. I already have a OLED G8 so don't think I'll be upgrading until the rtx 6090 comes out and I personally want the extra width for productivity lol
@@woami3083well you just buy 24 I guess
@@woami30834k at 24inch and 240hz is just faded! 4k at that size is just wasted, i dont even know if that pixel density is achiveable anytime soon. 24 inch nowadays is a pro gaming monitor size and for that 240 hz doesn't cut it anymore. you are looking at 540 hz so safe to say, there's never gonna be a monitor with that specs
4K 38 inch is the perfect size for a monitor I've recently bought the Asus ROG 38" 4K monitor. I previously had a 32 inch 4K 144hz. It's not too big so you don't have issues with seeing the whole screen but big enough to create real immersion. If this is coming out in Micro LED format I will be pre-ordering. Every game looks significantly better in 38 inch over 32 inch a much more entertaining experience.
It's pretty immersive using a gigantic screen as a monitor. I would recommend every day.
Don't flex on my wallet
I think about going down from 42" and I'm not sure if 32" will be enoguh, so 38" sounds quite interesting, I recently started searching for miniLED displays, but nothing available in europe sounds interesting enough to go miniLED, so if only this is 4K it feels too perfect (so I guess it really is only 1080p)
@@D_Wito that 76 inch monitor is made by tcl and samsung's already testing commercial 50 inch 4k 240hz tv, so I'm 90% sure it's 4k
@@D_Wito go for the Asus ROG 38 inch you won't be disappointed. 38 inch is the sweet spot and it's a premium monitor stunning picture quality.
I just got the Alienware 27 inch, 360hz, QD-OLED and it's bright enough that I have to squint in bright scenes in games.
I can't imagine something that's 4 times brighter.
But I won't be upgrading for years.
Im about to buy the same monitor. How is it looking for you? Everything ok?
But is it suffering from oled burn ?
How's the resolution?
No @@gamerscience9389
I just bought the QD-OLED AORUS FO32U2P and the brightness level is definitely more than enough for gaming and movies.
I am running it on the default ECO mode through Mini DP (UHBR20), with 70% Brightness and Normal Color Temperature.
I haven't tested the various settings in more detail yet.
My previous monitor was the LCD AORUS FI27Q-X.
I do not regret for not buying a Micro LED Monitor at this point.
Wait until you get burn in or need to use the monitor in a bright room
There IS NO MICRO LED MONITOR OR TV! I have FO32U2P as well and I recommend to try settings from TFTcentral and definitely turn OFF Eco mode. For HDR try these: (movies) HDR (deafult) + APL Medium - and for HDR Games: HDR (deafult) + APL HIGH.
as good as oled could be, i can still bother, that micro Led is not here already instead
@@MrM-dl5zmmy same settings. I don’t know why people want such a bright monitors. I set the settings too high once and in a bright room I felt like I was being hit by a flash bang. Whenever it went from a dark to a bright scene.
Its crazy how you all have it already and I still need to wait until 17th May 😞 I ordered mine at 14th April, first deliver date was end of april then moved to 17th may 😞
I hope 17th May is now true..
I'd prefer it to be 32" or 27" but I'd take 38" over the 42" size that we were stuck with for OLEDs for the longest time. Too bad it's not 4k.
Yeah I'll take a 27" 5K model or a 6K at 32". That's the pinnacle for me.
MicroLED is the future.
I doubt anyone would dare try and sell a 38" 1080p panel for almost any price, even if it beats the crap out of anything else at everything else
Probably we're looking at a minimum of 5-10 years until microled displays will be something mid to higher end buyers will be able to afford. Consumer OLEDs have been on the market for over 15 years and they are still not affordable for the average consumer and from what I understand microleds are much harder to manufacture due to their complexity so the timeframe might be even worse in this case...
The complexity will go down with lithography, so it's just a matter of time for them to become affordable
what might be golden is the second hand market as they have a much longer life than oleds
What is affordable?? 10K or less is reasonable if it is fully worth the price tag I would consider paying for... Most peoples limit would be 3K or under I imagine.....
@@michaelangst6078 It depends on a lot of factors, such as region. In my country the first 30 best sold monitors on the biggest retailer are all under 300 euros. There are still people willing to go as high as 1k for a gaming monitor but anything higher than that and it will probably remain in stock for quite a while. So I'd say until they hit 1k they can't be considered affordable for the average person unless you're from countries richer than most.
@@michaelangst6078 up to 1K. All corporations need for massive production of uLED is technology for producing tiny backlight dots, that's it. Then it'll replace all LED, mini-LED and OLED-type displays like it was with plasmas. The only difference in price will be for cooler compounds and screen bining (you know, there's a 2 million nits 5000 ppi uLED display for the record)
I've had the AW3423DWF for 2 years now, but when I bought the coolermaster 4k mini-LED backlit IPS with QD layer I was honestly surprised, no IPS backlight bleed because it was mini LED instead of edge-lit, stronger colors cause of the QD layer, vivid colors that you're used to from IPS and also a lot cheaper, the dimming zones don't really compare to OLED's per pixel dimming, but it generally does the job and also has higher peak brightness vs OLED.
As such I was originally very hyped for the 3rd gen OLEDs, flat, with glossy layer, but after seeing that screen I'm actually very excited for microLED monitors, waiting to see what those will bring and what they'll cost.
I agree though, I'm not going back to 1080p, especially on such a large panel.
While still waiting for prices of OLED monitors to go sufficiently down so that I can buy one, that next technology is beyond a dream for me. Better to forget about it completely for now and leave it to my children to have one.
Like Passing down an Atari.
These new displays are cool and all, but I have not seen a single recently released display monitor or TV that is actually for sale in the Philippines, despite the marketing. MSI's MPG and MEG QD-OLEDs might as well not exist. ASUS's UCDM QD-OLED, LG's matte display, even the LG C4 OLED tv, all of them are simply unavailable here for some reason.
New tech is cool but I do not see this being a regular thing until at least 5 years from now, if things remain the same.
I sure will miss my LG G4
you'll be paying like almost double if this releases. Isn't like 70inch models are 20k? It's better to be with an lg *G series
@@BlAnketLOveR-123
Yea I can't afford that. lol
@@Rob-Davidson also def not worth it. Pretty sure a like uhh maybe some lg g14?? Idk but I'm pretty sure it will beat that micro led at its price. Who knows but maybe 2026 will start introducing prototypes
I love the G4 so much.@@BlAnketLOveR-123
I cant wait for Microled on Phones and Tablets!
Ye iPad with microled display sounds like dream.
Remember tandem OLED stack? It would be nice to have it on smaller monitors and gaming laptops. Maybe esports needs this to replace 540Hz E-TN panel. The target shall be WUXGA at 600nits full screen SDR and HDR and peak of 1000nits HDR at 25% APL using approximately similar measurement methods used on Apple’s Ultra Retina XDR, and needs VRR range of 1-600Hz, and support of DP2.1 UHBR13.5 and 20, and HDMI 2.1 FRL48, Dolby Vision and Atmos support alongside HDR10+
you forgot to say "no diddy" after that intro
Looks amazing
I think that OLED has many years to improve; you’ll see tandem OLEDs with MLA 3.0 (MicroLensArray) that can reach 5000 nits peak brightness with less risk of burn-in. We’ll have a taste of this new tech with the iPad Pro M4 (only tandem without MLA)
10,000 nits or more is what you need and atleast 1000 nits of sustained fullscreen brightness
Oled for monitors just have to many down sides just to get better blacks if Micro can match current Lcd with atleast improved blacks that will do for me.
The large-sized monitors you've mentioned are tiled together.
The only thing that would get me more excited than this is real Q-DEL monitors
It seems like we're still a ways off, but at least Oled should continue to get better (and cheaper?) in the meantime
10.000 nits. Need to burn the retina
Highlights
Once MicroLEDs becomes massed produced and somewhat affordable, is it safe to assume that OLEDs and MiniLEDs will be obsolete?
OLED will not become obsolete but it will become the cheaper option, just as LCD is right now. So LCD is gonna die and MiniLED will be the equivalent of today’s TN panels.
MicroLED cannot come soon enough, it's the only thing I'm waiting for and checking any new developments of this tech one a week..
I don't really care about super high refresh rates, because unless you have the fps to match, they will not improve motion clarity. It's hard enough getting 60gps in AAA maxed out.
What I will say though, is that I am looking forward to a new monitor that would be a LCD with lots of dimming zones.
What I do want, is a monitor with backlight strobing (ULMB or something similar) that would have better contrast than my beloved PG27VQ (TN Panel, above-CRT motion clarity with ULMB cranked up at 120hz). The problem with it is that it's obsolete backlight design make for very low contrast. It's also only 1440p SDR only.
I will upgrade to a 4K LCD monitor, with mini-LED backlight and HDR support, only if it has backlight strobing that performs as well as my current monitor. It's the only way to increase motion clarity to the level that CRT had.
Can't wait!!
? Wait 50 years
Are they going to have as many pixels as oled tho? Bc if it's way less pixels, it won't look as good anyways
He said that the monitor will be 4K so it's not about the pixel count, it's about the size of the screen compared to the gap between you and the screen!
FYI you can get an 8K monitor, if you're just a few centimeters away from the screen it will probably look like 1080p! And if you are too far then you won't see the benefits of 8K either! You need a good ratio between the Resolution & Distance to make it worth it! 😄
I said it’s likely 1080p in its current form.
@thedisplayguy forgive my question if it wasn't clear. Micro LED are bigger than OLED? Won't a 4k micro and a 4k oled side by side not look the same? Every micro led I see. Looks like shit and you can see the physical aspects of the display. Idk if that's just samsungs but, they always look like they are not "tight" or flush or whatever. Idk how to describe it
@@thedisplayguy I really doubt it will be 1080p... OLED & QD-OLED were originally made for 4K and above! There are no 40" 1080p OLED & QD-OLED screens... So a 40" 1080p Micro LED screen in 2025 seems very unlikely and would look terrible next to other OLED & QD-OLED Monitors/TVs, even though they wouldn't have that crazy brightness.
At 38 inch this will definitely be 1080p
They don't have the pixle density to make a 4k display that small... the tech is sitting at about 100 inches for 4k
Im thinking more about crts and how would they compare with it in terms of input lag
38 inch is too big for me. I would be interested if they made a 27 or 32 inch Micro LED monitor though.
If it is cut down to 1080p, give me a larger 1440p and I'll be happy.
I wonder if it will even have a display port
Dude i am so stoked micro led is insane, 2 nanosecond response times? 😱
I am afraid that rate may be irrelevant because human eyes blur out quite quickly. Try for yourself by moving your hand in front of your face just a bit without moving your eyes. You will notice blur even with rather slow waving. 240hz and OLED grade chemical response may be quite the limit a human can see.
I never seen that bg3 scene that dark.
In 2:05 that tv is tcl mini ler or micro led ?
I look forward to your review of the Acer Nitro XV275K P3 monitor
PER PIXEL LOCAL DIMMING!?!!??! 😮😮😮😮😮
If it's a 1/4 of an 8k TV, it'd be 4k,... Right? This is possible??
I was under the impression the 76” models are 4K, but yeah if they are 8K it would be 38” 4K.
@@thedisplayguy Only time will tell. Could be 🔥! Fingers 🤞
It's most certainly 1080p, the smallest 4K microled tv Samsung makes right now is 76 inches, which just so happens to be exactly 4 times size of this panel
Imagine a micro-oled TV, that would be so dope.
funny how people are saying 38" is too big for 1080p when 10 years ago we had no problem with 1080p at 38 inches
they said qd oled when it was first coming in the sony tv was gonna be 8000USD & was less than half, info from hdtvtest video & he was also surprised for the tru price!
Hi, what's the name of his main channel on RUclips?
38inc isn't "really small" god i hate tech snobs
I just don’t understand I got the pg32ucdm yesterday and it’s so dim I’m used to my 55” S95B I also don’t get how sdr is brighter on this monitor than hdr mode when on mw3
Do you have the blacks and colors of oled with micro led?
Absolutely. Micro led and oled are both "per-pixel backlighting" so blacks are just pixel off with either one. The led tech has higher lumen output so can give highest dynamic range.
Am very interested in the dimension.
When dose this coming for gaming monitors?!!
4000nits is the Dolby Vision peak brightness target.
The peak brightness for Dolby Vision is 10,000 nits! 4,000 nits is the peak brightness of HDR10+ whereas HDR10 is 1,000 nits 😉
@@jongamez5163 I know it's 10,000 nits. But like I said the TARGET is 4000 for TRUE DOLBY VISION. Go and watch Stop the FOMO if you think otherwise.
Still couldn't even find any mini led monitor in my country a few weeks ago and you're telling me micro led is supposed to exist?
Far from launching tho. Expect the first MicroLED monitor to launch in 2030. So yeah it is just a dream for now, MiniLED still has time remaining before becoming obsolete.
Probably still at least 5 years before microLED is a feasible consumer product. OLED still has some legs tho, Apple’s new iPad Pro is using what they call “tandem” OLED which gives 1000nits full screen brightness and 1600nits peak brightness
the real problem with OLED is still the burn-in, I don't much the brightness much but the burn-in is a no-no
@@perceptivity_Once pholeds arrive both oleds will do both brightness and resist burn-in noticeably better.
@@verttisyrjala2897 but it will still inevitably burn-in at some point, I'm someone who actually torture their monitors, I could leave static images for days without a touch due to the nature of my hustle (stock market)
Ok, what TV/Monitor is this?
micro led is way tougher to get to work jsut like an oled can which is why almost anyone and everyone stay's away from mini led monitors still becasue expensive and mini led's are not worth it for gaming since the more nits the less the quality of color is gone which makes it look more pale and dead like so you can pick your posion but oleds still stand as the most powerful monitors for everything
But micro led currently lack detail pixels not small enough their still away to go
why tf they cost 150k lmaooo
Its not endgame until its 10000hz check blurbusters journey to 1000hz
Bro says this for every monitor lmao
Someone has to explain to me. How can Micro LEDs be the tiniest LEDs possible to manufacture but they only put them in big sizes into the biggest TVs?
Yah but the purchase question is the big one.. and at a reasonable price I doubt it
If i ever need to go blind someday i know what to buy now 💀
Power draw for samsung is 800w-1kw 😅
Isn’t 4000 nits too high to look at for long periods of time lol
0:38 what about qd oled?
It still has burn in micro led doesnt
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Bro, SED is the holy grail of display technology. SED 😢 ... RIP. And yeah, 4k @ 38" microLED is too good to be true in 2024
OK I'm gonna order 2 of them as soon as they make them 32" 4k 240hz, shut up and take my money.
Truely endgame. if i had microled I'd never really need to upgrade
Micro led probably isn't going available until 2060. It's taking for ever to get this tech available.
I don't care what tech wins in the end because I'll get it.
By the time microled gets to market, I think OLED will have solved its own problems, making microled redundant.
Choices are good though. Time will tell.
cant cure burnin
@@user-jw6yh4ev4n all lights burn out. Microled burns out as well.
The question is how long does it take ? By the time microled makes it to market, burn in likely won't be a real concern in a normal time frame with OLED. It's already a distant concern.
My PG32UCDM makes me sick at 70%+ brightness, I couldn't imagine having a 4000 nit display.
4000 nits are for high lights not full screen brightness. So correct ratio for best HDR impact would be 1-10% window @ 4000 nits and then gradually lower to 1000 nits full screen white.
I went from wanting a Micro LED monitor within 2-3 years to in an instant wanting an OLED monitor when he said $100,000. Yup I'd rather take a GT 350R over nice TV.
I feel like 10,000 nits would hurt my eyes.
Ngl I think a GENUINE endgame would be a 360hz+ oled 24in-1440p or 27in-4k
response time??
100 times faster than OLED so CRT level response time
2 ns i would like to have - to see
coming in at a very reasonable price of $79,999.99
Much better, Been waiting for this type, No stupid OLED burn in.
Probably 5-10 year before something like this actually hits the market at a price you can afford
oled doesnt get burn in now
I've had my OLED for 6 years now and it still looks great
@@rorynolan2322 For someone doing gaming, movies and photo editing on single monitor, OLED is no go for me. Can't justify splashing 1k on a monitor just to throw it away after 3 years due to burn in.
"Money on front"
We need 8K 120hz VRR.
need it to be 8k and 12 bit and ya that's endgame easily.
Micro led is better on the eyes
Sorry but this hype around brightness is not for me. If i am not cautious regarding brightness over longer periods of time, my eyes get strained, red and painful. And even if i wouldn't have these problems, such light is definitely not good for eye sight over years. Using bright options only in very few instances and only for minutes or an hour but not on a daily basis in productivity, web browsing or even game. Eye protection is important too.
really does look amazing but the only problem is....glaucoma
People, a 38 inch MICRO LED and its claimed to be not even 1080p?
Not possible, imagine the pixel sizes on that screen... It's not micro LED, not even mini LED, it must rather be a maxi LED instead 😂
Did you just say $100,000?
buy a lambo or this monitor, choose smartly bois
That is a 100K dollar bezel.
If 110 inch priced around USD 110,000....the 32 inch will be USD 30,000
4000nits ???? Whats the point? You'll burn your eyes out! There is NO need for such brightness. We demand RGB strip pixel OLED. That is the holy grail of monitors. Nothing else matters.
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Nawwwww, end game is like a 150+ inch 8K micro LED
When ever I hear about new mini led monitor the first thing wanna know is how many local dimming zones it has. As I see how thick it have blooming I reckon it have lesser than 1k
Bro it’s MICRO LED, not mini LED. It has the same advantages of OLED. No dimming zones needed but get get way brighter without burn in. It’s OLED on steroids. And the price will probably reflect the same too 😭😭
that video might be a scam. micro led only gets as small as 76 inches right now. take that video with a grain of salt
38" is the opposite of endgame lol, count me the f**k out.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY....I pay kash!!?!
Sometimes it's spelled MicroLED and sometimes Micro LED. I don't like that.
qled is just all the bad things about oled in led.
lol it can have 20000000 mini led if is not response time low and input lag low i really do not care :D