This seems really cool but I’m not quite sold on the subscription part of it. I understand that sort of model for fitness apps that update regularly with real instructors and new classes. But if you’re playing against, essentially a computer, why a subscription? And I don’t think game updates warrant a hefty monthly subscription.
Agree. At this price you are better of paying for clinics, coaching, or ball machine rental. What I'd like to see tennis training games add is analysis of your stroke, where on the racquet you hit the ball, angle of the racquet at contact, how much spin, etc. It would help new players get the muscle memory and coach them on what they are doing wrong. Forehand lessons, backhand lessons, serve lessons, and so on. If they updated the feedback handle for the Q3/3S that would be nice. The current product isn't worth $39/mo or $348/yr.
450 eur for the meta quest and 228 for sensearea every year. I am sure I would like the simulation we call reality better, I guess you miss the impact of the ball with this the most.
Just tested its free warmup mode on Quest 3. Super frustrating when it feels and looks like you hit the ball dead center but the ball sort of goes through the strings and hence gets no bounce so it ends up short. I had a Rublev level outburst of anger after a while... that pretty much sucks...
Nice tool. If I was training to be a pro, I might invest in this. The problem I see is that there's no way to get the feel of the ball on your racket. You would need to simulate your racket and strings with a true ball model. Otherwise touch shots like drop shots can't be trained. Also you need to simulate the physics of the racket, i.e. sweet spot, dead spot, off center hits at all areas of the head, frame shots, etc. I just don't think they can model all that. If they really want to sell this tool, they need to model a player to play against. I would love playing against Fed in VR.
I had no problem hitting touch shots with sense arena. It is all about timing. After all a ball only dwells on your strings for 3 milliseconds. It takes you brain 50 milliseconds to feel the impact.
@@g10s This is just ignoring the hardware capabilities : The quest2 controllers only detect motion at 60hz, it cannot correctly achieve a 3 millisecond detection.
@@g10sI also wonder if it in a good way simulate speed of your own racket? In many tennis games you can just flick your wrist to hit a strong shot, but in reality it would only send the ball a couple of meters if you see what I mean. Is it realistic also when it comes to this?
Thanks for the in-depth review. I would wanna know your opinion on First Person Tennis as compared to sense Arena Tennis. It's one of the two highly rated VR game on Meta store and has been touted as very realiztic ball physics when playing in simulation mode.
On a serious note I’m a amateur player at 3.0 level can I learn to practice I just want to improve my tennis And does this require some kind of subscription as well
can you explain how to use it to train your footwork and real game? in your video you mention that you can set your space parameters. can the incoming balls to your real left and right side lines of a real tennis court?
Movement is limited to the space you set at the start of the training. I haven’t used a big space as I found that I could train the skills I wanted without it (reactions, timing, anticipation etc). In a small space, you can still practice your split step, unit turn, stances etc, but I would personally say that if movement is your priority, do this on a tennis court in real life as you have a lot more freedom with how far you can go! It’s the other skills that Sense Arena really develops.
You set your area boundary(guardian) for up to 12 feet. You can work on moving to balls and away from balls hit at your body as well as setting up for inside out forehands with in this space. Remember half of a real singles court is 13.5 feet.
Probably a good idea to practice your swing and other things. But u are not really hitting the physical ball, so how do you know if the ball is in or out on the real court? Another thing with VR is that, it gets really hot after a while on your head, and make you feels dizzy 🥴. I think this has a lot of potential, but until the above two issues can be resolved, it may just be another thing that only a small percentage of ppl will actually use.
Good questions… the haptics racket vibrates when you make contact and the ball will travel according to your timing. If you hit a late forehand, it will go wide. If you swing too slow the ball will drop short or into the net. Some drills, the Court lights up with targets for you to aim at and if you hit them you get an audible beep as feedback. I haven’t found it getting to hot, I only train in 15 minute bursts. I can imagine that you may feel those issues if you spend an hour training!
What I have noticed is that the real physics of ball striking and trajectory are accurate. I can hit drop shots, lobs, drives, high heavy ground strokes. slice, etc just like I do in real tennis. For the heat issue... they sell a fan attachment for the headset that works well.
Trust me from someone who is ultra extremely picky when it comes to techs, and found everything in 21th century to be gimmick including Iphone and beileve that PC remain the best device for decades. VR is actually very powerful not just for gaming but the way you interact with stuff. Is like a device that combined all the existing devices together and turn them into something that is 100x better and you got VR. It just had been marketed terribly that's why a lot of people haven't tried it yet
This looks AMAZING. One practical question - how does the Meta Quest deal with sweat? I sweat A LOT when I play, and if you're saying this is quite physically demanding, I can imagine a scenario where I'm sweating all over the VR screen inside the goggles.
I use the Quest for physical activity, there are specific silicone-based masks that help with sweat. Even with abundant sweating there isn’t much of an issue (if at all) with fogging on lenses. It’s fine.
you won't be sweating that much cause you won't be moving/running that much. I think the Sense Arena works more on your stroke timing and location, not really on your footwork.
It's great as a video game but still requires extensive investment in hardware and graphics quality to make it a definite wow factor not to be missed but I fear it may be a decade in the making (sorry Meta ... feels like another tech bubble). In the mean time, it's good tool to test your reactions with (though I'm sure even there we can find far cheaper alternatives) but if you want to supplement your Tennis, try Padel, Badminton even and my favourite, Table Tennis. Touch Tennis is also great. Could even try Pickle-ball if you get a chance (but I hate the noise it makes) :))
The amount of negativity in these comments tho. No... this doesn't replace real tennis. It is simply another training tool. I recently purchased this. My haptic racket is supposed to be here tomorrow. I opened the app just to look at it. It looks great, and the follow ups for charting your training and exercises are really thorough. God.. some of yall don't need toilet paper because obviously your 💩 doesn't stink. Geez...
@@maximo8577 I'm just about to resubscribe. I've been enjoying the tennis outdoors, but here in Colorado, it's starting to get too cold to play. I will keep you updated.
This seems really cool but I’m not quite sold on the subscription part of it. I understand that sort of model for fitness apps that update regularly with real instructors and new classes. But if you’re playing against, essentially a computer, why a subscription? And I don’t think game updates warrant a hefty monthly subscription.
coz they are fucking thieves, thats why
Agree. At this price you are better of paying for clinics, coaching, or ball machine rental. What I'd like to see tennis training games add is analysis of your stroke, where on the racquet you hit the ball, angle of the racquet at contact, how much spin, etc. It would help new players get the muscle memory and coach them on what they are doing wrong. Forehand lessons, backhand lessons, serve lessons, and so on. If they updated the feedback handle for the Q3/3S that would be nice. The current product isn't worth $39/mo or $348/yr.
I just got the system, and I find it's hard to get a sense of the speed and the location of the ball, it's not like IRL.
I was wondering about serve training, specifically toss and pronation. Thanks for the review
Unfortunately, the serve is the one shot that cannot be practiced… at the moment! I guess the ceiling and lights could cause problems!!
450 eur for the meta quest and 228 for sensearea every year. I am sure I would like the simulation we call reality better, I guess you miss the impact of the ball with this the most.
Just tested its free warmup mode on Quest 3. Super frustrating when it feels and looks like you hit the ball dead center but the ball sort of goes through the strings and hence gets no bounce so it ends up short. I had a Rublev level outburst of anger after a while... that pretty much sucks...
The racket is not compatible with Quest 3.
Nice tool. If I was training to be a pro, I might invest in this. The problem I see is that there's no way to get the feel of the ball on your racket. You would need to simulate your racket and strings with a true ball model. Otherwise touch shots like drop shots can't be trained. Also you need to simulate the physics of the racket, i.e. sweet spot, dead spot, off center hits at all areas of the head, frame shots, etc. I just don't think they can model all that. If they really want to sell this tool, they need to model a player to play against. I would love playing against Fed in VR.
I had no problem hitting touch shots with sense arena. It is all about timing. After all a ball only dwells on your strings for 3 milliseconds. It takes you brain 50 milliseconds to feel the impact.
@@g10s This is just ignoring the hardware capabilities : The quest2 controllers only detect motion at 60hz, it cannot correctly achieve a 3 millisecond detection.
@@tomsawyer2112 you are very smart. Just reporting what I can do.
@@g10sHi, I am curious, do you play real tennis? If yes, is this tool similar to real tennis when it comes to strokes (feel, aiming etc)?
@@g10sI also wonder if it in a good way simulate speed of your own racket? In many tennis games you can just flick your wrist to hit a strong shot, but in reality it would only send the ball a couple of meters if you see what I mean. Is it realistic also when it comes to this?
Will buy the slinger bag this spring for summer season and then Sense Arena during the fall to practice during winter.
can I buy the handset separately then the tennis racket from sense arena?
Yes
Yes.
Thanks Ashley! This would be great when there’s bad weather outside and you don’t have access to indoor courts!
Absolutely!!
Thanks for the in-depth review. I would wanna know your opinion on First Person Tennis as compared to sense Arena Tennis. It's one of the two highly rated VR game on Meta store and has been touted as very realiztic ball physics when playing in simulation mode.
I haven’t played First Person tennis… is it a game or a training tool? I would imagine they’re two very different things
It's a game but has a simulation mode where you can get close to real life ball physics and also can manually run just like in court.
Where I can buy it
I think there’s a link in the description for sense arena… the mega quest comes from most big tech stores
On a serious note I’m a amateur player at 3.0 level can I learn to practice I just want to improve my tennis
And does this require some kind of subscription as well
can you explain how to use it to train your footwork and real game? in your video you mention that you can set your space parameters. can the incoming balls to your real left and right side lines of a real tennis court?
Movement is limited to the space you set at the start of the training. I haven’t used a big space as I found that I could train the skills I wanted without it (reactions, timing, anticipation etc). In a small space, you can still practice your split step, unit turn, stances etc, but I would personally say that if movement is your priority, do this on a tennis court in real life as you have a lot more freedom with how far you can go! It’s the other skills that Sense Arena really develops.
You set your area boundary(guardian) for up to 12 feet. You can work on moving to balls and away from balls hit at your body as well as setting up for inside out forehands with in this space. Remember half of a real singles court is 13.5 feet.
@@g10s Thanks. Another problem with me is that I am near sighted. Is there something to adjust on the goggle?
@@yili9725 if you wear glasses you can use the eyeglass attachment that comes with the headset.
@@g10s is there a demo that I can see how it works?
Probably a good idea to practice your swing and other things. But u are not really hitting the physical ball, so how do you know if the ball is in or out on the real court? Another thing with VR is that, it gets really hot after a while on your head, and make you feels dizzy 🥴. I think this has a lot of potential, but until the above two issues can be resolved, it may just be another thing that only a small percentage of ppl will actually use.
Good questions… the haptics racket vibrates when you make contact and the ball will travel according to your timing. If you hit a late forehand, it will go wide. If you swing too slow the ball will drop short or into the net. Some drills, the Court lights up with targets for you to aim at and if you hit them you get an audible beep as feedback. I haven’t found it getting to hot, I only train in 15 minute bursts. I can imagine that you may feel those issues if you spend an hour training!
What I have noticed is that the real physics of ball striking and trajectory are accurate. I can hit drop shots, lobs, drives, high heavy ground strokes. slice, etc just like I do in real tennis.
For the heat issue... they sell a fan attachment for the headset that works well.
Trust me from someone who is ultra extremely picky when it comes to techs, and found everything in 21th century to be gimmick including Iphone and beileve that PC remain the best device for decades.
VR is actually very powerful not just for gaming but the way you interact with stuff.
Is like a device that combined all the existing devices together and turn them into something that is 100x better and you got VR. It just had been marketed terribly that's why a lot of people haven't tried it yet
very nice video. I am a leftie 😊 Is it made for lefties too?
Yes, you can change which hand you use in the settings!
This looks AMAZING. One practical question - how does the Meta Quest deal with sweat? I sweat A LOT when I play, and if you're saying this is quite physically demanding, I can imagine a scenario where I'm sweating all over the VR screen inside the goggles.
Good question!
Good question Nadal won't use this.
@@verlatenwolf I've finally found what my game has in common with Nadal 😂 🥵
I use the Quest for physical activity, there are specific silicone-based masks that help with sweat. Even with abundant sweating there isn’t much of an issue (if at all) with fogging on lenses. It’s fine.
you won't be sweating that much cause you won't be moving/running that much. I think the Sense Arena works more on your stroke timing and location, not really on your footwork.
Thanks 🙏 sounds fun! amazing what can be done in today's world 🎾👍
It’s mind blowing!!
@@TheTennisMentor definitely!
Anyone try this? How is it ?
Awesome video mate.
🙏🙏
Can’t wait to play you at this!
I’ve seen how good you are at everything you do… I’m not sure I want to compete with you!
@@TheTennisMentor how good? You mean at rule adaption?!
It's great as a video game but still requires extensive investment in hardware and graphics quality to make it a definite wow factor not to be missed but I fear it may be a decade in the making (sorry Meta ... feels like another tech bubble). In the mean time, it's good tool to test your reactions with (though I'm sure even there we can find far cheaper alternatives) but if you want to supplement your Tennis, try Padel, Badminton even and my favourite, Table Tennis. Touch Tennis is also great. Could even try Pickle-ball if you get a chance (but I hate the noise it makes) :))
So cool!!! Thank you for your amazing content! :)
Thanks for watching!
Great idea but the graphics are a bit 2008
I don’t think it will take the VR world long to catch up with games console graphics!
is it works for left-handed too ?
Yes, you select your chosen hand in settings before starting!
@@TheTennisMentor niiiice
It would be good you can play the computer in a match not just practice
It really would!!
You did not really move, playing rather static strokes,
I want to know if I can really play tennis in VR, in a space like a garden,
Sorry I haven’t seen a comment from you, RUclips blocks some if they include certain words… I’m not paid, but they did gift me the kit.
I go to tennis to get away from bullshi* tech
Why didn’t they just made real racquet instead of this thing which look like apocalyptically type device used for hunting 😮
The amount of negativity in these comments tho. No... this doesn't replace real tennis. It is simply another training tool. I recently purchased this. My haptic racket is supposed to be here tomorrow. I opened the app just to look at it. It looks great, and the follow ups for charting your training and exercises are really thorough. God.. some of yall don't need toilet paper because obviously your 💩 doesn't stink. Geez...
brian how is the sense area going?
@@maximo8577 I'm just about to resubscribe. I've been enjoying the tennis outdoors, but here in Colorado, it's starting to get too cold to play. I will keep you updated.
Is this video sponsored by sense arena?
this looks weird
The future is weird! 🤣
@@TheTennisMentor probably maybe there’s an ai bot of you ready to play on a virtual tennis court soon
will give me headache lol
These drills don’t… I tried to do a rollercoaster ride… that did!
Ready Player One? No thanks, I'll play normal tennis
Nothing beats normal tennis… this isn’t aimed to replace it!
Bull*** :) Nothing can be better then real game.
Totally agree that nothing beats playing tennis for real.
First
How do you doba kick serve