MMO Grinding Can Be...Fun?
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- Now that Mike has completed FFXIV Endwalker (Videos on MSQ are coming don't worry). He now wants to take a look at the more MMO aspects of this MMO RPG. This week he stumbled across Treasure Maps in FF14 which have been around since Heavensward - and offer a really fun way to handle farming he's not really seen before.
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Howdy Everyone, Chris here! Well Mike has now finished Endwalker - Don't worry story videos are to come, we're just getting back on track after the race. Now Mike is starting to take a look into the more MMO aspects of 14, and in today's video he talks about one of the coolest farming systems he has seen.
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Any chances on having chat on the videos when showing Mike's reaction to crazy stuff like getting saved 3x in a row in the future? I really wanna see how they reacted to it too lol
Thanks for the video! Eagerly awaiting the EW stuff!
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Hi, Chris. Good work, Chris. Thanks!
What a strange room
Edit: Nevermind, caught up with the vods and it came up last stream. :-)
Hey Chris, just something I noticed: Since changing PCs Mikes voice sounds really, really compressed and clippy both on stream and in this video as well. Compare the sound of this video to one from before the new PCs arrived and it should be very obvious something is wrong. Maybe his audio settings got lost or something?
Anyway, thanks for the video and all the great stuff you lot do!
One of my favorite parts about Maps is the way differnet groups develop like...superstitions and traditions for them. Someone I know always picks left, one group always does the same dance, another always prays to Ramuh. It's great.
Also a testament to maps is that like, I never even considered it a farming system until this video right now. I mostly just thought of it as a fun way to make gil.
Groveling (emote) in front of the chest for portal spawns & door clears,works like a charm :')
I had a run where an FC mate did squats and I did the ritual prayer emote during every door cutscene. We got to the end.
My FC started petting the chest before opening it, after it worked for me like 5 times in a row =D
We kept going left until we start seeing the gold on the right. Then went right lol
My fc and I teabag the chest with the squat emote and always go left. Works 80% of the time, every time.
I LOVE fishing in FF14. I'm not even farming anything, i just really enjoy lvling it. And ocean fishing is SO much fun.
When you get the rainbow bonus time in Ocean fishing you just have to scream "LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"
Ocean fishing is the only good part ABOUT fishing.
Omg yes whenever I'm tired of fighting stuff I'm like "just gonna go fishing" its so relaxing i do dream of catching one of everything but no rush for it fishing is a game a patients
Yes! Another plug for ocean fishing… you CAN level 1-90 through ocean fishing. Which I call “the party boat.” And you can get desynth up to 50 or so, and sell the water crystals. And it’s so much fun! Specially with the arts, achievements, and the fact you can queue as a group.
It's kind of ironic, but one of my favorite things in FF really is that you can just... not play it. And even if I came back after months of not playing, getting up to speed really isn't a huge deal. Compare that do 9.2.5, or god forbid 8.3, where you're just utterly fucked for weeks, if not months, if you skipped a patch or two, it's so refreshing.
So I agree with this almost 100% but catch-up in WoW is not bad now. I just resubbed the other day, and I finished the ZM campaign in 3 hours for my Unity belt, got flying in ZM in 30 minutes after, got my 291 Lego with no Torghast, and am ilvl 250 with my 4 piece guaranteed in 2 weeks. Altogether it probably took 4-5 hours of play, and I leveled a fresh covenant from 1-80 while I was doing it.
It was definitely bad in 9.0 and especially 9.1 and 8.3, but 9.2 is actually pretty good for catch-up.
If someone told me to eat ice cream every day I'd start to hate it extremely quickly versus it being a treat I can choose when to enjoy. I think of it like that.
@@crazzluz1702 wondering how long the hiatus was between cancellation and resub was tho
@@ElyskeTheDonut I quit in October.
@@crazzluz1702 i quit in january 2021... i guess i need a lot more time? Or works the catch up aswell? Thats btw a honest question.
Bad RNG drops in these can be somewhat alleviated by the amount of gil that you'll be passively earning by playing these maps and you'll come out with enough to just buy the rare item/material from the market board which is also pretty great, though naturally you'll want to earn the gil and obtain the mat to come out all the richer! But still, it's an option!
Yeah you gotta remember all of the rewards get multiplied by 8 players. And you only need 1 map per group so if you pool the money that you get out you can just buy more maps and keep going pretty much indefinetly.
Did maps last night with my FC, and we all walked out with EASILY 500k just by chilling for three hours and bullshitting around in maps. While also capping our tomes for the week without realizing it. It's so de-stressing and FUN.
@@novasiri7809 the FC I'm in does maps every wednesday night at 8PM EST, even with the lower level maps, the gil rewards alone, you'll get AT LEAST 200K on a bad night in 2 hours, and that doesnt include rare mats. a party of 8 will get 1.6M-3.2M in 2hours collectivly.
Also to those on Aether DC, Goblet, Ward 9 plot 38 if you are having trouble finding a group to do the lower level maps.
Whilst treasure map dungeons definitely lean into the gambling route, I love that rather than it being "the house always wins", it's the player who always wins.
Just goes to show that you don't need to be stingy with your rewards to keep people engaged in the grind
@@MrKnaives That didn't used to be the case. It used to be that it would cost 100 MGP to play and you could get like 30-40 MGP and lose a little. You'd end up winning more than you lose over the long run, but you'd have a whole day where you'd lose. But, partway through Stormblood they changed things so you always won. I suspect it was to ensure they didn't run into issues with gambling. Despite the fact you can't pay any money for the currency at all. Note that there's no MGP associated with mahjong at all, aside from the challenge log. That was a deliberate choice so it wouldn't fall afoul of any gambling laws.
@@tjl9458 Honestly glad it was changed just because even if you have bad luck it's satisfying to know that even that little bit of MGP you gain is going towards [insert expensive Gold Saucer item here] and over time you can collect enough to get that thing you want.
It's so good that even after probably hundreds of hours of maps at this point, I still feel all the emotions, it's not dull. They've nailed it.
Honestly, Mike visibly had so much genuine fun doing this. I have a feeling he entered what I call "the minecraft state," where you just play and play and time doesn't exist anymore until it does and you're like... Oh shit, I work in 3 hours.
Psychologists call this state 'flow', btw. It's a very real thing.
@@seluhir8820 Factoriflow
Oh shit. I shoulda been at work 3 hours ago more like
Ishgard Restoration/Diadem is another way to multitask while leveling/grinding. There’s really so much there, and the leveling is super fast as well.
He spent some time in Firmament and Diadem today and he seemed to really start getting in to the intricacies of crafting.
@@Ben-hl5ur that’s fantastic! I will need to catch up on the Vod with that. Did he get to do the moogle scratch cards or a fete?
Everyone says that but I actually hated the Ishgard/Diadem system and I'm an omnicrafter. I just leveled my professions trough beast tribes and company turn-ins. I'm not sure why everyone loves diadem and I hate it.
1400 hours in and I still have no idea where the Ishgard thing is.
@@Bug_Berry the slums area should have the starting quest. Clear out those blue + quests
The older I get the more I felt I couldn't participate in raid content due to time constraints but casual content like maps here allow me to play an online game with friends and feel like I'm gaining something all while just relaxing.
What's great about grinding in FF14 is that a lot of it kills two birds with one stone. You can go through Bozja to experience fun large-scale combat, a nice story, three great raids, etc. But that's not even the end of it (though what I listed are already great reasons to experience Bozja).
When you get an alt job to lvl 70, you can use it to easily level up to 80. AND THAT'S NOT ALL. Whilst doing that you still get more lockboxes and the like to get more sweet items and mounts and such. A lot of what you do in the game helps you out in the long run, even if you don't know it at the time.
You can enter Bozja at 71, not 70. There's probably a technical reason for it.
@@Lordoftheapes79 Yes since lvl X0 is end of the previous expansion ... and x1 is the first lvl of a new one ... you have this previously as well .. certain HW things were accesible from 51 .. HoH is from 61 etc ...
Lmao 😂
I've been waiting for you to get into the side content. Can't wait to see your take on the crafting/gathering jobs and their quests. Some are really basic, others take some pretty nice turns.
I found the botanist ones to be quite good, while being very simple, grounded stories.
I still remember that legendary fish quest from ARR.. holy shit, the rush when weather and time of day was right to catch one of those. Your heartbeat razing and yet you’re just fishing in a video game. :)
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I very much enjoyed almost the entirety of the ALC questlines.
Some of the land/hand job quests can get surprisingly emotional too-was blown away by that.
One thing I'll add: the randomness of map loot is mitigated by the fact that virtually all loot can be sold for gil. And in the process of running these maps, you will make a fair bit of gil in addition to the actual drops. So if there's a specific piece of loot you want, you can just buy it off the marketboard instead. EZ.
The timing of this video is even funnier considering how much fun preach had crafting things for an hour in the firmament.
Did he get to do any Fetes? I haven't seen it yet.
I love the firmament so much. It's a shame he missed Ishgardian Restoration, he would have loved it.
@@JackgarPrime Doma restoration is kinda similar.
@@CybersteelEx You know what I would love?
Garlemald Restoration
@JackgarPrime we are probably getting Garlemald Restoration. If you do in full a pair of questlines that tie into each other starting from aether current quests, they mention rebuilding Garlemald
If you guys haven’t seen his vod for the first treasure map day, watch it. Its hilarious 😂. Actually one of the best FF streams the last month or so, MSQ included.
Seconded, the directional gang wars, the birth of the zigzag gang, the chaos evolution, the no portal gang, it was just an amazing stream altogether.
@@seizerkb3225 no portal gang was just a menace 😂😂
Thirded i'm currently watching the VOD rarely laughed so much! Right gang forever!
I can't find it!
@@Galewalion the whole stream I was just smiling and thinking, “when did DougDoug’s chat get here?” The only thing missing was people telling Mike about their divorce
When treasure maps were released, it was a wild ride. Yoshi and the devs went all in on the trolling. It was hilarious!
The FC I was in burned through like 30 maps on the first day.
I do treasure maps literally every week. LITERALLY every week. They're so much fun.
Do you have a group doing that or just joining random party?
@@noblewolf8232 I have a group of friends that I do them with(and I stream it on twitch so I have occasional viewers to join or chat with too). But I've also done it with random parties too. That's how I made some of the friends I do them with regularly now, in fact.
My FC does regularly scheduled treasure map runs every week. It's lots of fun.
@@JackgarPrime ya a lot of FCs have stuff like that set up. Great fc activity. :)
@@seluhir8820 Yeah the game does have lots of ways for FCs/guilds to do stuff together besides just raiding, and I think that helps make the community stronger. My FC is not at all raiding focused. We're actually crafting focused, and stuff like treasure maps and guild housing are perfect group activities for us. Not everybody wants to do hard content, they just want to hang out. I happen to enjoy hard content, but stuff like treasure maps are still lots of fun.
Treasure map nights are always so much fun. And a nice way to earn some Gil during the night or after work!
Good time to hang out with your FC, listen to music through the discord bot, and be chatting and getting to know each other.
Another positive to farming stuff in treasure maps is that all of the materials you can get in there can be put up on the marketboard. If you get stuff you don't need, you can sell it for a decent amount of money. If you don't get the thing you want, you could alternatively get it from the marketboard using the money that you've been getting from your runs. It never feels like you go into this and get absolutely nothing out of it. Edit: I should also mention that all of the stuff from treasure dungeons is for the most part cosmetic. Besides a little bit of materia or the tomestomes which you can get from numerous other activities, everything you get is not tied to player power progression so it's not something you ever feel like you need to do either.
I would love if they did some sort of "casual pvp" games in the treasure maps areas. Something RNG based or turned based, some kind of contest with Mario Party-like minigames. I can imagine very cool moments with friends while doing these.
@@Aaron.Arcanum Exactly, but with that extra RNG element of... you don't even know it's gonna be a jump rope minigame until halfway through the boss fight when suddenly the music changes and the rope spawns and you're like "ok now this is happening"
I think a tiny bit of the heat CBU3 gets for PVP not being ‘great’ is if they implemented something silly like this. Hell, Im a giant nerd and would live to do this with lvl 90 trusts because they programmed the AI so the Scions all react according to their characters’ traits. Hot tip-Y’Shtola always does every mechanic right. Imagine PVPing with Y’Shtola coming for you like that 😆
Preach has experienced 1% of the side content of the game and is already blown away. 14:05 20:50 look at the amount of FUN this man is having
Possibly the best part: even if you're a friendless muppet, you can still find treasure maps while gathering, and sell them on the market for cash - not much compared to cracking it open for yourself, but you're not completely locked out.
At least on my world maps can sell for a decent amount, the ones people like to run can sell for like, 30-45k. Not as much compared to if you got lucky enough to go later into a dungeon or got the rare materials, but you're not guaranteed to get any of that. So sometimes it's not bad. And at the least you can open the single-player maps, or some of the lower 8-player maps if you have a higher level character (again, you can't do the dungeon, but you can get the base chest loot and sometimes that has neat stuff.)
Treasure maps have been my friend group's gil farming strat, simply because no matter what drops it probably sells, you get materia, you get flat gil, and it is so much fun it doesn't feel like a grind
Dude, Maps are like my favourite optional content. Saturday night with the FC, we hop into discord, crack a couple cold ones and shoot the shit until early in the morning running maps. It's so much goddamn fun and I mean you end up with anywhere from 200-600k Gil depending on how lucky we were.
Yoshi-p, thanks for being awesome :)) one of the last beacons of integrity in game development (aside from indie)
Hey Mike, another farming aspect I don't think you've touched on yet is retainers. You can actually assign them their own jobs/classes and send them out on ventures to bring back materials. So if you make one a botanist and you needed logs for a craft you can send them out to get them for you, as long as you have gathered that item once yourself, and the retainer is a high enough level and has appropriate gear. They can also do quick or long ventures where they get tons of exp and bring back a random item sometimes worth 500k+.
I Request a nobbel/Preach crossover for Ocean Fishing! That would be AWESOME!!!
Nobbel visited Preach pre-ocean fishing today :D (or maybe it was post?) but they didnt do anything together.
What Mike does not mention, but maybe he didn't have luck yet, you can get glam, fashion accessories, minions, music rolls, decorations drops from the chests. Last time we did 2hours map run we got 2,8mil gil worth of those items alone as a group without counting crystals, gil, mats, materia etc.
Not getting the mat you want from maps is mitigated by all the mats being tradeable. If you don't get what you're looking for, you can sell your rewards and buy what you want off the market board.
Our FC has Gold Saucer Night into the Saturday Cacpot Drawing.
Also a Map Night.
Features like these Give Guilds something to do together and Bring your friends together just for Fun and not necessarily progression.
I've never done treasure maps before but it was such a blast watching preach play through them. Team zig zag for life!
you should do those maps on the first day when a new glam set releases. 1 single crafting material for these usually goes for 1 - 3 million gil, depending on the popularity of the glam. You can actually have very mixed feelings for your friends when they gamble for double and fail and you end up with 0 of these :D
Its still a good system. Not something that I do often, but its an okay one.
I adore treasure maps and just started doing them in endwalker, I've been playing since 2.0. I couldn't believe I had never done them before, and how fun they were!
I had good laughs watching. It is exactly the type of casual content these games need to have alongside raiding.
We used to have Map nights in my old FC. It was a time for all of us to get into discord, shoot the shit, talk, drink and just mess around. It was my favorite thing to do with them
A couple of notes:
The higher lower game doesn't double your outcome everytime, it gives you an additional 1x the original prize pool.
You can't use tomestones for your alts, unless you pick up mats for crafted gear. Tomestones are bound to the character
When he's talking about alts he's referring to the alt jobs on 1 character - since in games like WoW you have to make an entirely new character to play another class.
Mike comes from WoW, where you can't change class without levelling a new alt. I think he considers different jobs to be Alts which you can play on one main character.
Just wanted to say thank you for this video, Preach.
Thanks to this, I bothered to level up my Miner job to 90 and I’ve gotten involved in my first treasure hunting party. 4 of us brought 3 maps each and we made so much gil. Not to mention selling all the materials I’ve gained by mining at max level has also made me so much more gil. It’s fun and engaging, and I’m no longer panicking about fast travel costs 😂
When I do maps my group just do it for the sake of it and don't even go for the rewards, all buy a bunch of maps each and everyone just needs. Just go for the fun and relaxing time.
Doing treasure maps with friends on Discord is one of the most fun experience I've had in a MMO, and to think that on top of having fun playing together we're also farming money and mats really makes it a genius system
its funny you made a video about this just a few days after i introduced my friend to the treasure maps. he has heard about them but never did them. it was just the 2 of us doing them & in one high level map we got to the final stage. unfortunately we lost that fight but it was super fun & we loved the challenge of trying to beat the instance with only 2 people
I love crafting in FFXIV. I do crafting in almost every MMO I go into. I heal, DPS, and gather/craft. Heal and DPS tends to be interchangeable depending on my day.
Gathering will take you places you might not have seen while doing the MSQ. Crafting...it is like a mini game in itself. Though, it sometimes gets annoying.
I have yet to do any treasure map dungeons. Especially the Zonure Maps. (Really want to craft a set of Calf Skin clothes for myself and my husband.) Also, haven't found a group that I could go through the Alliance Trials to get boz unlocked.
I've had a hundred hours while doing maps with my friends, with a few drinks, and we had a blast doing maps constantly, it's waaaay too much fun to pass up.
Your point about "different optional systems with varying rewards" is still relevant for crafting and gathering. There is The Firmament, Ocean Fishing, Fieldcraft Leves, Collectables, Retainers with gathering jobs, and Grand Company Supply & Provision missions. I've leveled several of my professions very slowly by buying cheap gathering mats and crafted gear off the market board and turning them into the GC once a day. I can even ask my friends to help me get HQ versions of the crafted gear if the mats on the market are much cheaper than the finished goods. More social interaction and choices.
Already realized this during todays stream but something seems to be off with mikes mic. It sounds like its peaking but its actually not. I assume Mike is using some kind of mixer and the settings there changed? or the driver is failing? i dont know but the voiceover during the treasure dungeon clip is fine. so whatever changed was very recently.
Treasure maps are perfect for a night of drinks and bants with a bunch of friends.
Personally I've never done them for the random materials, while it's nice that you do get them, they're not what you're there for, because you can always go and gather them whenever you want.
It's the new rare drops, emotes, housing items, rare glam materials, that you can only get in maps that draw people in.
Just imagine if WoW did something like this with Archeology. Complete a find and get a map which you do with 4+ ppl.
Maybe you can unlock an instanced temple or tomb where you compete and play minigames to secure a certain artifact
I think it would be a huge hit. Casual farming content that encourages no-stress guild cooperation getting you gold and cosmetics.
I had hoped WoW would have a similar system to treasure maps when they released those godsforsaken islands in BFA. I was expecting some sort of tomb raiding exploration content... ended up just being more mob grinding. thats what I get for expecting Blizzard to think fun over profit, I disappointed myself by having expectations. I could think of so many things that could have been but then again its Blizzard modus operandi of "Wasted Potential" in play.
it really shows they have just fully ignored their competition for too damn long, i wouldn't even be mad if blizzard simply copy pasted the whole treasure maps system, the same could also be said for a lot of other ff14 systems like scaled content making it always relevant and playable, the tomestone system which is actually a spin on the whole justice/valor currency they for some reason just axed even though it was universally praised and many other things.
I don't want wow to be ff14 they are different types of games for a different audience BUT there are absolutely things that blizzard could simply copy paste into wow and the game would be better for it
Also, you can do mapping dungeons with fewer than 8 people. They're totally doable with 4 or even 3, although 5 offers a lot more breathing room. The fact you can do this with a variably-sized party only adds to the appeal if you can't get exactly 8 people.
my raid team would do maps after we were done for the night, wonderful way to make some Gil, get tomes/mats/consumes/minions/glam etc and decompress after savage
Yea we do the same after our reclears
That Emet plate is gorgeous...
It's cool to see people having a blast over this
Personally I'm very apathetic towards it since I only do it for the gil, and I get more than enough to get by in the game consistently so I don't really care much about what is happening on screen, but for those who are paying attention and are having a good time I'm glad
Yeah, but... doing the mindless grind *occasionally* can be very relaxing. I just don't do it hours at a time and most often in an MMO I haven't played in a while so the grind is not needed for some end game thing. Otherwisee the grind is a job. Something you MUST do. Some people like to do colouring for adults, get lost in a TikTok watch list, work in the garden, whatever. I like to grind in random mmo's and get no reward whatsoever from it apart from a chill afternoon. Which is massive
It's kinda funny, because a lot of these kinds of activities existed in FFXI as well, long before wow was even released. BCNM, garrison and even Eco Warrior. You'd find a random drop that starts a wave-defense event somewhere, that you can do with your friends. Or use beastmen seals that dropped relatively commonly from at-level mobs to exchange for an item that lets you and your friends enter a challenge arena with the potential for drops that could be sold for half a million gil sometimes.
Maybe it's just me, but this kind of content might just be in the DNA of final fantasy as a franchise. Cause ffix had "chocobo hot and cold" and tetra master, ffx had blitzball, ffviii had triple triad and stuff. So many interesting avenues to find good gear in the single player games.
Gather levequests also break up a lot of the monotony. Firmament/diadem makes leveling botanist and miner faster, and then there is the fishing boat in limsa that leaves every 2 hours and makes leveling fishing SO fast.
I can understand how Preach would miss this, but the main purpose of grinding the maps is to obtain map-specific drops.
The gil and general crafting materials generally don't equal the map value and time investment - though this obviously varies by server.
From the perspective of someone solo-grinding out a glamour, it is an 18hr cooldown with RNG on RNG, on a generally low drop chance.
However the fact I simply haven't sold the maps and bought the glamour material, indicates that ultimately it is an enjoyable grind.
I do like doing the maps, however the heavensward ones were my favorite - with the dungeons being rather easier to solo.
ngl, loving the hair Mike. Good stuff.
Probably the best bit like you said is that its not really hardcore, so people can tend to play whatever they are in the mood for which is freeing for a lot of people that maybe want to try a different playstyle or test out some gear they got for another job etc. Very new player friendly as well without entry restrictions.
Maps are my favorite content by far. I love how the excitement you had at the final door is at the same level I still have after having over 50 final rooms in my lifetime. There is also titles for all map zones for getting 20 final rooms and some for just getting 20 portals like "Of the hype train" for Disneyland (90 maps)
I do a 4 hour map event every sunday where we do 60,70,80,90 maps and I help people make gil by making it FFA rolls and I provide the maps. If we get a final room I give everyone 50k. Its not a ton but it makes a exciting content even more exciting as well as it making bad rolls not feel as bad. We did 32 maps and got 21 portals with 4 final rooms. Was nutty RNG.
The more I watch your content to more I love it. Seeing your energy with the contnet reminds me of when I did things for the first time but it also helps me realize after all this time that level of excitement for myself hasnt dropped off much.
Just recently my raid team was bestowed a FC house. The original owner left the game so it was default to us. Since we have the FC house to ourselves now, we decided to decorate and fiddle with the airship and submarine. What surprised me the most is how much we enjoyed crafting airship and submarine. My crafting profession felt much more useful again and once we got it done and send it out, we had this sense of pride about what we have built. We are also refurbishing the FC now and our crafting profession will come useful again. We have probably spent hours just having fun in our FC.
a huge benefit of the treasure maps is also the matts you get for current cosmetics, especially in the first week of release
frontier dress? 7mil each for a few day on its release on my server, its a nice bonus for money hoarders and game canging for people who dont spend their life energy crafting all day and all night.
RIGHT GANG WHERE YOU AT?
Reminded me a bit about the Destiny 1 Chaperone questline where you're asked to farm crucible renown with The Last Word and dying meant losing renown
Grinding can absolutely be made fun. Path of Exile is an excellent example for me for this. Path of Exile(PoE) is a very grindy game
The endgame in path when boiled down and translated to wow terms is running a handful of dungeons over and over again. In Wow, running 300 SFK in a day may sound boring but every PoE map(what PoE calls the end game) is different in a small way. The monsters you kill may be different, one time it might be murlocs, another it may be dragonkins. Also old league(seasons, kinda like M+ affixes) features may appear which have a chance to giving you something cool and out of the ordinary.
Not to mention that every mob you kill have a chance of giving you currency/items that allow you to change and craft items. Everything in the game revolves around making and perfecting your gear for your build.
When the gatherer (fisher, botanist or miner) is high enough, one can gather treasure maps that range from doable by a single player (moreso if max level) to the EW excitatron. Currently, I'm working on meeting the challenge log/achievement log to gather and run enough of each type of map (e.g., leather, goatskin, toadskin etc ). I can only gather one a day, so it's a little slow going; however, I'm not in a rush to complete.
22:36 - Said noone ever in our FC. Usually one person yells "MAAAAPS!" other people start saying "MAAAAPS!" like a herd of zombies. and in a short moment you have 8 people buying maps and getting ready to have some fun.
One of the things my friends and I do sometimes with treasure map is instead of teleporting and flying, we just drive down the road from area to area and do some chill roadtrip. We then put on roadtrip music on discord that we could listen while we drive down to the location.
You can find the front door to the Stormblood portal maps in Radz-at-Han. Seems a rich family there is fully endorsing adventurers raiding their vault for fun.
I didn't even know this was something I wanted to do, but I do now! I need to get into this, it looks like tons of fun
I've been gathering in the Diadem for nearly two years now, I need help lol
Office looks amazing!
Really hope that Preach decides to try out other MMOs as well. It's always fascinating seeing the way people who focused on single MMOs for years (Whether it's WoW or Runescape or whatever) don't realize how other games solve these various issues. No single game solves them all, but they all try, so if you don't like one thing, you can find something better elsewhere. The fact MMO players only usual invest their time in to a single game allows the genre to stagnate because so few people realize the grass is greener elsewhere. Games like Guild Wars 2 or Albion Online do so many cool things that WoW and even FFXIV could learn from, but change is so excruciatingly slow.
I really like the map dungeons because they're an excellent way to earn gil if you just accrue a few maps in the week and do a map party every once in a while. Even if you don't earn much off the dungeons themselves, the mats that drop (rare ones especially) can sell for a lot of gil if they craft into a nice glam item or the bed mount
Funny thing about FF14 is that there is/was that traditional grinding way for ARR items that were rare spawns, you kind of tune out with that. The Treasure maps are a much better system.
As it comes to gathering/crafting the system gets much, much more complex as you get higher level if you want to optimize your rewards so it's not just press button and watch the bar fill up, especially if you want High Quality items as using your skill correctly is very important, even if they did make a bit easier it's still not "press button and turn of your brain".
Treasure maps are, to me, the most fun casual content in the game. It's all lighthearted and easy enough that my friends and I can just have a great time on voice and maybe walk away with some items to craft cool glamour gear.
ive never hated grinding, 1 of my best-nostalgia games is very grindy, Hero Online(hero plus, 2004 mmorpg), come home from school, get 5 bars of exp, try not to die to lose your exp, wake up early grind 1 bar of exp before school, it's all a part of immersion
Yuup.
Definetly agree with the Autonomous aspect of BC classic farming ( Farming in general )
~ "Definition of insanity is doing it over and over again, without end."
- *Albert Einstein*
Seeing the tension and disappointment in your face melt away into absolute JOY when that rainbow happened to unlock that final door was such a great moment. It is really nice how spoiled we get on so much little silly "time-wastey" content like Maps and Ocean Fishing. The devs really know how to make folks want to while away their time inside the world of Etheirys in small ways that don't feel overly tedious.
Maps are a required step for the ARR relic weapon, so if you were playing back then, that would be a breadcrumb/tutorial of sorts. Also you get maps from gathering, so that would be monotones task of gathering leads you to these grand adventures venturing through treasure vaults and the like.
Do you actually ever have to do the maps for it? Can you not just buy Alexandrite from the Allied Seal vendor?
I will say as someone who has been doing this since inception. We usually do this during movie night, because it really hasn't changed since Stormblood.
Monday Map Nights, babyyyyyyy. Weekly for our GC. Just a super chill way to hang with friends and still get rewards with zero pressure.
It's also important to think about how, grinds in FFXIV are segmented such that if you just want to make progress on one singular thing, it's a doable task, and you get something nice out of it. Getting every finished relic weapon in ShB may be a massive task, but hitting the next glam unlock on a singular weapon takes, like, an hour or two at worst. You can log in and say "okay, I want to get THIS today" and generally get it.
There are only a few time-gated grinds, and on average, even the time gated grinds tend to be significantly more gentle than any other MMO. And the time gated grinds get segmented too! Raiding savage, sure it takes a minimum of seven weeks to get your 600 weapon, but you're getting other bis in the meantime. Every week of clears is tangible, measurable progress. For tribe quests, it can take a couple weeks to hit max rep, but each of the ranks in-between unlock rewards you can buy with the currency the tribes are giving you in the process of ranking up. The XIV devs WANT you to get the most fulfilling experience they can possibly provide.
treasure maps is literally what kept me subbed to the game. Is just so fun to do and usually is so rewarding :)
Treasure maps remind me of a group version of the Trove of the Thunder King still....and I adore it.
My FC does map nights and it's so popular we have 4 to 5 full groups running maps it's great.
How I found out about treasure maps being a MMO thing was when I was asking different people to play, they were always doing maps and I was like: Do you have to do this stuff? Do I get some sick upgrades? And they were like, nah it's fun, you get lots of money and are doing it with a whole group.
Great video, Preach! Love your content! ❤️
Remember that scene in Ready Player One where Sorrento is talking about filling 80% of screen with ads before inducing seizures. That is modern Call of Duty.
Treasure maps is my favourite casual stuff I really like to do with my friends 🥰 we usually go in for the glam, the others are extra 😀
id loooove to see preach have a long talk with some HLC OSRS people. i think there would be a really interesting dynamic and both sides would have their possition chalanged. could be really interesting.
Maps are a great system. I am in a group that raids Savage 2 to 3 times a week. If we have a night where we are short a person we run maps. They are a great way to earn Gil for raid food and potions. On a side note we line up and do the Mandeville Dance before we open a door as a Goodluck charm!
According to some mmo sources and console tracking systems, FF14 has an average player time around 185 hours, majority of them are side contents. It’s a huge time sink for sure but it is equal to the amount of contents you play for the first time rather than farming or something like relic weapons.
My FC has a whole ritual where everyone just grabs a beer and talk about their day and just chill during treasure maps☺️.
High end item gathering is also pretty nice in that it's completely predictably and time-sensitive. It is also heavily influenced by your overall skill in gathering and understanding how to optimize gathering skill orders. Crafting and gathering in FFXIV is hands down the best, with only ESO's crafting being remotely as interesting but much less fun.
If you haven't done ocean fishing yet I just leveled up my fisher completely that way and it was so much fun!
I'd probably begrudgingly leveling my fisher if there was no ocean fishing. with the ocean fishing now I enjoy doing fishing time to time, not only in the ocean
I love treasure maps, going with group of friends, thus keeping all rewards within the group means the rewards are really good. and easily worth doing even when buy treasure maps off the market board. and it just fun.
FF14 is the one game I will never mind paying a Sub for. I can take breaks and come back, pay my $10 and I have a shit ton of new content if I wait for updates, and even when I don't there is so much shit to do for fun that the $10 feels like a fee to enter an amusement park for a month or something like that.
Think one of the most fun and exciting moments were when we prepared over 100 maps, a little bit of alcohol, go on voice call and run it on patch with new glams and drink everytime we got the new mats which had value around 2 - 4m. And then completly trash out trying to sell the mats and someone accidentally flop it for 200k instead of 2m... Just ton of fun with 8 ppl to do on non raiding nights.
And the amazing thing about is it, you don't even need to do any hardcore grinding for the maps, just have gatherer or buy it for relatively cheap price...
Maps are not the most efficient way to get gil but we usually do it with the Free Company while on discord chatting and it's a very nice social activity.
The second time I got to the final chamber, all the doors were fake outs. Went to balck and everything. It was the most insane thing
Not only is the act of farming treasures fun, even if you're frustrated because of bad RNG not giving you the specific drop you want/need, everything is tradeable on the market board, so you can just sell the ones you got and buy the ones you need! Brilliant!!
Don't have friends to run Treasure maps? Find them boring? Got bad RNG? Just use the market board, ITS SO SIMPLE!
The door boss in this dungeon is so hard. I only have a 50% success rate on clearing it.
for leveling gatherer's fast- try Diadem in the firmament. Its better exp and you get a cannon to play with. Gathering leve quests and collectables work well too. You can also buy survival manuals at your GC or with scrips to boost exp gain during any of these activities.
He started Diadem this morning, as a matter of fact.
To me, gathering classes are always my "I want to play FF, but I don't really want to do anything" option. Then I can just groove for a bit, turn off in-game sound, queue up my Primals soundtrack on RUclips, and hit things with an axe for an hour or two. There's no competition, no headache, and if you play the market and know what's going to sell, an easy way to make 100-200k or so.
Cannon? You mean our aetheric bazooka? XD
@@Zendelxex I mean YES, just like couldn't remember what it was called. I just remembered "haha big lazer gun"
@@rossker123 best thing ever. Before stat squish that bazooka was dealinh 4mil dmg. Wish they allow us to take it out of the diadem and into the open world