I have a VF4 and TM3 at the moment....out in the forest making guitars and guitar parts with them. I had a VF2 as well....servicing a business I used to own making composite aircraft propellers. I can attest to the quality of the Haas machines. None of them ever left me high and dry.
Fantastic! TSC is AMAZING. I had it on my 2010 VF2-SS, really lets you ramp up the speeds. We would regularly run the spindle at 80+% load with big MRR's.
I remember watching the video of your tiny Taig mill Inn that New York City apartment bedroom. You've come a long way. Thanks for bringing us along for the ride.
Jusy a thing to watch out for with the Gen 3 controls. If you have multiple offsets in your program. The look ahead will register the new offsets even if you add an M00 before it in case you need to re-run a previous section. We crashed our UMC-750 hard because of this, we were unaware that it registered the new offsets so when the operator re-ran the previous op to make some pin holes deeper. It was operation on different offsets than we wanted, unaware of it. It has been brought to Haas' attention
NYC CNC I wad told that the software developers were informed and i believe it may be fixed in a future update. Also, you can't call on cutter comp G41/G42 if it has already been turned on. So just once on and once off... repeat as necessary. Also a future update fix. Otherwise it's a pretty good system. Check out the 'E' command in canned cycles to clear chips.
we had same problems with same machine and we had even bigger problems like electric burning, auto tool measuring failing to register z offset on one tool only and making a big crash also, haas at his best
Glade to see where you are located the economy has picked up and your doing great. Hope it keeps up and spreads to the rest of the country. The shop is looking great John very professional.
Ha, I totally thought you bought another one! John, if you haven't done so, any interest on doing a "which Tormach" series...comparing the three machines in depth? I know, time...but I think it would help a lot of new people decided which machine to purchase.
A few weeks back I bought and used the Pierson mini pallet system on my Speedio S500 in conjunction with mitee-bite various pins and clamps and have to say its a winning combo for sure. I wish I would have spent the money on these sooner but I made the mistake everyone makes and thought a vise was all I needed. Man was I wrong. If you are doing more than one off prototypes trash your vise and get a pallet system as its the only way to go.
Funny how we always think that "this" machine will do the job just fine until we start getting the jobs in and start looking at the next machine. Glad to see things are going well and growing!
Congratulations! Now you need something like quick pallet change tool. I think it have to look like a cart with places for 4 pallets with mechanism like FlexArm with fork to move pallets between the cart and a mount place.
FYI, we have pure aluminum 6061 slabs that we put on top of factory Mori Seiki tables in NV4k/NV5k machines that have been attached for 7+ years and you would think die-electrics would play a HUGE part with dissimilar metals and water based coolants and ... they just don't. We recently took a 3' sq table off of the Mori NV5k table to replace it and the original table is, even with water based coolants, still within less than 10 microns! (and that's only in spots which the new table bridges) I was completely shocked as I thought that the table would be eaten to hell but it was not. So, long story short, don't worry so much about die electric contact between dissimilar metals when using water based coolants. It just isn't very critical apparently as I've learned.
+1 for the pearson quick pallet changers. Congrats on the new machine! I know this video has some age now, but we're looking to add 1 more machine to our shop, and an VF2SS as well. How's the machine after 4 years? Our VF1 from 2012 is still doing awesome.
Congrats John! I watched the delivery, but hadn't seen any other videos about it. Keep up the great content! BTW - I went to the new NYCCNC web site. Fantastic! I signed up for the premium membership. Great content there too! I'm anxious to watch it grow.
Keep buying the Haas's, basically all of them have the same controller. That's how we ended up with 23 Fadals. Easy to cross train everyone. Proud of you.
Chrus B or get what you need to grow the business. Fadals are all fine and dandy but you also need to think about the future the cost offset to put the machine in, electricians, millwrights and so on. Then you have to WAIT for a haas dillhole to out the thing together. That sounds like a nightmare
I've been an electrician for over 20 years and 95% of what I have worked on has been 120/208 or 277/480. I I I guess It depends on the area one is in. I have worked in California and Arizona. The east coast may have older systems. "The most common commercial building electric service in North America is 120/208 volt wye, which is used to power 120 volt plug loads, lighting, and smaller HVAC systems. In larger facilities the voltage is 277/480 volt and used to power single phase 277 volt lighting and larger HVAC loads. In western Canada 347/600V is common. " Continental Control Systems LLC
It says here the box is 3550kg. That's light compared to the 2 lathes I've moved. 10k kg+ both. One of them was just some meters to approx it's final position away from the big door and one was all across the hall like 150 meters total. Had proper coolant leak today at work too. Pump didn't go on and didn't pump the coolant to the second tank so it was all on the floor. Had to mop it for hour and half.
dude, been building a plasma table, havent been following, congrats too the Ss :) (Changed workplace, i now use a bysttronic laser for cutting, a pullmax 7000 for stamping and a 13 meter Ursviken to press , loving it :)
I am excited for you! Great stuff. I have a Wabeco (Tormach 1100 equivalent) and am hoping to buy a Haas Mini Mill in approx 6 months time. Its as far as I can stretch, but will do the work I am doing, so will be just as excited getting that as any other machine. It is timely for me for another reason, as I have been going to Pierson Workholding website quite a bit looking at those pallets, so very interested in seeing your videos and hearing your thoughts on those. I have his vacuum plate and to be honest dont really use it a lot, but it is a very nicely made item and does to job nicely when I do use it. I found that to be great to face a heap of stock every now and again, very fast way of doing doing it.
Looks like you set the probe length with the tool setter. A better way is to measure a tool and cut a flat on a block, then calibrate the probe length to that flat. That ensures that the probe trigger distance is taken into account.
Hey I'm a long time fan of this channel. I've been super inspered to work towards starting my own business at some point. Really I love the work you do thank you for the great content. However I've just got to ask a question. For context I think about the way you talk about the tormach Mills at their price point, and how having multiple small machines has its advantages over 1 fast machine. At what point did you reach the limitations of the Tormach Mills? I know they support your channel and I have certainly been grateful and blessed for their support of creators like you. It just seems like the Haas was a huge upgrade and to me it seems like (from an outside perspective and for lack of better terminology) you realized you needed a machine that is so much more capable than the Tormach line of machines that you had no other choice. I wonder if you could do a shop update video defending the Tormach machines or more importantly showing their limitations. It just seems like up to this point the Tormach machines were flawless on screen and then for some reason you went with a higher quality machine to push your business further. It's a long read but thank you for what you do. These are just some thoughts I have.
Was that a refractometer you were testing the coolant with? And if so, what for exactly? I've only used them in checking nutrient and sugar levels in plants. Maybe for dissolved solids?
man,the shop is so clean! all i here is: u have 10:34 to finish this or that, if u are ober that time, you must say why and get your ass kicked. to work in such a clean surrounding, with time to think about stuff and making it perfect must be great.
manoj B.K There are special coolants that have a certain amount of oil and additives such as Qualichem, which, last time I checked, John was using. Keep in mind with demineralized water that the machine is made of metal and that water will remineralize itself, potentially clogging something or making a corrode-y rusty mess like what John Grimsmo had happen with his old Tormach.
so what's your average electricity usage per week or per month or breakdown per machine if you have the time for it or inclination to make a video along those lines...
Sorry about the food poisoning. I got it recently and was in the hospital for 4 days. Do you see any major difference between a PC based NC versus a fanuc or Siemens NC?
I'd like to see how the new Linux-based control does. We had some problems with a couple of machines in school which had the old ColdFire processor. Oh, and they also threw tools. And the biggest problem I have with these is that they still grossly overstate the spindle horsepower, to as much as twice the actual rating.
a great machine - i know the feeling for new machines - becuase our company get 2017 10 new DMU 100 P machines - we was so happy to this machines :) So have fun with your machine and a crash free time^^. What controller do you use ..??.
Nice looking machine. It’s amazing how much a single full size VMC can generate revenue though isn’t it? Makes buying the next one almost a no brained.
NYC CNC We’re looking at another 5 axis machine ourselves. Just completed 2 major projects in record time with big name investors behind it. Probably be a press release in the next 3-5 months on it.
Speaking of ROI, I know WIPS seems expensive, especially if you're using repeatable pallets, but it really pays for itself quickly in tool wear probing alone. And if you start getting into parts where true position and concentricity are critical, the in process probing is awesome.
Dylan Fresser nope. Strange how 415 is pretty much double 208 like 240 is double 120. We also have 480 (3 phase, 277 between hot and ground) and 600v systems.
Congrats, John. What an impressive growth from the apartment days.
Congrats again John, so many steps from the Taig in the apartment. Quite an achievement to grow the business up to the level it's at now.
thanks!
I have a VF4 and TM3 at the moment....out in the forest making guitars and guitar parts with them. I had a VF2 as well....servicing a business I used to own making composite aircraft propellers.
I can attest to the quality of the Haas machines. None of them ever left me high and dry.
So much positivity! A lot of machining guys try to be manly and austere. But you are just yourself and it really makes me happy.
Fantastic!
TSC is AMAZING. I had it on my 2010 VF2-SS, really lets you ramp up the speeds. We would regularly run the spindle at 80+% load with big MRR's.
I remember watching the video of your tiny Taig mill Inn that New York City apartment bedroom. You've come a long way. Thanks for bringing us along for the ride.
Jusy a thing to watch out for with the Gen 3 controls. If you have multiple offsets in your program. The look ahead will register the new offsets even if you add an M00 before it in case you need to re-run a previous section. We crashed our UMC-750 hard because of this, we were unaware that it registered the new offsets so when the operator re-ran the previous op to make some pin holes deeper. It was operation on different offsets than we wanted, unaware of it. It has been brought to Haas' attention
Hmm, that's not good. At all.
NYC CNC I wad told that the software developers were informed and i believe it may be fixed in a future update. Also, you can't call on cutter comp G41/G42 if it has already been turned on. So just once on and once off... repeat as necessary. Also a future update fix. Otherwise it's a pretty good system. Check out the 'E' command in canned cycles to clear chips.
we had same problems with same machine and we had even bigger problems like electric burning, auto tool measuring failing to register z offset on one tool only and making a big crash also, haas at his best
Glade to see where you are located the economy has picked up and your doing great. Hope it keeps up and spreads to the rest of the country. The shop is looking great John very professional.
Congrats - a well deserved addition to your hard-working arsenal.
Thanks!
Ha, I totally thought you bought another one! John, if you haven't done so, any interest on doing a "which Tormach" series...comparing the three machines in depth? I know, time...but I think it would help a lot of new people decided which machine to purchase.
Awesome! Can't wait to see the new workflow with both Haas machines and the Tormachs
Concrats. You are really going somewhere. You have the same (more?) enthusiasm as Titans of CNC and are really moving forward
Congratulations John. Thanks again for your help today. Dave.
Don’t pet those things at the shows or they will follow you home.
He is just wanna bring this home to fit in a living room
Nice. Always cool to see new machine deliveries.
A few weeks back I bought and used the Pierson mini pallet system on my Speedio S500 in conjunction with mitee-bite various pins and clamps and have to say its a winning combo for sure. I wish I would have spent the money on these sooner but I made the mistake everyone makes and thought a vise was all I needed. Man was I wrong. If you are doing more than one off prototypes trash your vise and get a pallet system as its the only way to go.
Congratulations amazing to see the steps over the years! Great work
Funny how we always think that "this" machine will do the job just fine until we start getting the jobs in and start looking at the next machine. Glad to see things are going well and growing!
congrats!
Congratulations! Now you need something like quick pallet change tool. I think it have to look like a cart with places for 4 pallets with mechanism like FlexArm with fork to move pallets between the cart and a mount place.
FYI, we have pure aluminum 6061 slabs that we put on top of factory Mori Seiki tables in NV4k/NV5k machines that have been attached for 7+ years and you would think die-electrics would play a HUGE part with dissimilar metals and water based coolants and ... they just don't. We recently took a 3' sq table off of the Mori NV5k table to replace it and the original table is, even with water based coolants, still within less than 10 microns! (and that's only in spots which the new table bridges) I was completely shocked as I thought that the table would be eaten to hell but it was not. So, long story short, don't worry so much about die electric contact between dissimilar metals when using water based coolants. It just isn't very critical apparently as I've learned.
+1 for the pearson quick pallet changers.
Congrats on the new machine! I know this video has some age now, but we're looking to add 1 more machine to our shop, and an VF2SS as well.
How's the machine after 4 years? Our VF1 from 2012 is still doing awesome.
Finally after what 3 months it gets its own video! You would thing you were building a barn/shop in your spare time. lol
:)
Very impressive John! Congrats!
Congratulations on your continued (and well deserved) success and growth John
Glad to hear that business is going well. Couldn't happen to a better guy. :)
The VF2-SS is a good machine. It was the first cnc I worked with. I'd own one, if I had the room.
With all that packaging you're a bottle of whiskey and a firepit away from a pretty good Friday night.
Congrats John! I watched the delivery, but hadn't seen any other videos about it. Keep up the great content! BTW - I went to the new NYCCNC web site. Fantastic! I signed up for the premium membership. Great content there too! I'm anxious to watch it grow.
Thank you!
Congrats on the new purchase,
Congrats you are really building the business.
Congrats! And here is a question for you: How did you find customers when you started up? How did you get the word out?
We're building out a whole Business & Entrepreneurship section for Pro members on the new www.nyccnc.com
no money in CNC machining? Okay buddy...
Think this RUclips channel would of helped him as well. That was a very smart move.
10 year overnight success! :)
Yes and it has also been all luck... :wink: :wink:
You're crushing it man, congratulations!
Keep buying the Haas's, basically all of them have the same controller. That's how we ended up with 23 Fadals. Easy to cross train everyone. Proud of you.
Chrus B or get what you need to grow the business. Fadals are all fine and dandy but you also need to think about the future the cost offset to put the machine in, electricians, millwrights and so on. Then you have to WAIT for a haas dillhole to out the thing together. That sounds like a nightmare
Best machine for the price 100%
208V is very common in newer areas. 240V is usually residential or old industrial areas with a stinger leg.
Really?!
I've been an electrician for over 20 years and 95% of what I have worked on has been 120/208 or 277/480. I I I guess It depends on the area one is in. I have worked in California and Arizona. The east coast may have older systems.
"The most common commercial building electric service in North America is 120/208 volt wye, which is used to power 120 volt plug loads, lighting, and smaller HVAC systems. In larger facilities the voltage is 277/480 volt and used to power single phase 277 volt lighting and larger HVAC loads. In western Canada 347/600V is common. " Continental Control Systems LLC
I cannot wait to see what this thing can do!
Thought you had bought a 2nd one for a second when I saw the title haha. Looking forward to the videos on the Pierson Workholding system.
Congrats! Looking forward to new videos about the cool application of the beast! :-)
May have been mentioned here before, but 208V is a normal spec for 3 phase power.
It says here the box is 3550kg. That's light compared to the 2 lathes I've moved. 10k kg+ both. One of them was just some meters to approx it's final position away from the big door and one was all across the hall like 150 meters total. Had proper coolant leak today at work too. Pump didn't go on and didn't pump the coolant to the second tank so it was all on the floor. Had to mop it for hour and half.
Well done john..congrats.
dude, been building a plasma table, havent been following, congrats too the Ss :) (Changed workplace, i now use a bysttronic laser for cutting, a pullmax 7000 for stamping and a 13 meter Ursviken to press , loving it :)
That was really neat. Thanks for sharing!
New machines are always awesome. I got to install a many of an OKK mill. Very expensive.
Awesome John, I am preaching to myself... Thou shall not covet!
ATB, Robin
I am excited for you! Great stuff. I have a Wabeco (Tormach 1100 equivalent) and am hoping to buy a Haas Mini Mill in approx 6 months time. Its as far as I can stretch, but will do the work I am doing, so will be just as excited getting that as any other machine. It is timely for me for another reason, as I have been going to Pierson Workholding website quite a bit looking at those pallets, so very interested in seeing your videos and hearing your thoughts on those. I have his vacuum plate and to be honest dont really use it a lot, but it is a very nicely made item and does to job nicely when I do use it. I found that to be great to face a heap of stock every now and again, very fast way of doing doing it.
Looks like you set the probe length with the tool setter. A better way is to measure a tool and cut a flat on a block, then calibrate the probe length to that flat. That ensures that the probe trigger distance is taken into account.
Congrats!!! However, if you keep this up, soon you'll have to rent some space or use tents for the openhouse!!
wonderful! really looking forward to seeing how you like this one
For all that money, they don't take the trash with them? Nice video -- I love how you're expanding!
Congrats mate!!
So awesome! We just received our first Haas Friday. VF4. So excited to get it making chips!
awesome!!!
Very nice John.
Great new machine John! Let me know how you control the build up of New Zealanders when you use lanolin. Big problem here in Australia.
That's great john knew you would make it :)
Awesome! Well done, look forward to seeing what it can do. :)
Sniff sniff.. smell that new HAAS.. smells like glory.
Hey I'm a long time fan of this channel. I've been super inspered to work towards starting my own business at some point. Really I love the work you do thank you for the great content. However I've just got to ask a question. For context I think about the way you talk about the tormach Mills at their price point, and how having multiple small machines has its advantages over 1 fast machine. At what point did you reach the limitations of the Tormach Mills? I know they support your channel and I have certainly been grateful and blessed for their support of creators like you. It just seems like the Haas was a huge upgrade and to me it seems like (from an outside perspective and for lack of better terminology) you realized you needed a machine that is so much more capable than the Tormach line of machines that you had no other choice. I wonder if you could do a shop update video defending the Tormach machines or more importantly showing their limitations. It just seems like up to this point the Tormach machines were flawless on screen and then for some reason you went with a higher quality machine to push your business further. It's a long read but thank you for what you do. These are just some thoughts I have.
Was that a refractometer you were testing the coolant with? And if so, what for exactly? I've only used them in checking nutrient and sugar levels in plants. Maybe for dissolved solids?
Hes seeing if the water has enough oil percentage
"On behalf of the HAAS F1 team, thank you for your sponsorship contribution" ;)
man,the shop is so clean! all i here is: u have 10:34 to finish this or that, if u are ober that time, you must say why and get your ass kicked. to work in such a clean surrounding, with time to think about stuff and making it perfect must be great.
Congratulations !!
Shouldn't we use demineralised water for coolant ?
manoj B.K There are special coolants that have a certain amount of oil and additives such as Qualichem, which, last time I checked, John was using.
Keep in mind with demineralized water that the machine is made of metal and that water will remineralize itself, potentially clogging something or making a corrode-y rusty mess like what John Grimsmo had happen with his old Tormach.
Not on the FIRST batch of coolant.
0:35 SHE'S CROWNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool machine congrats and wish ya the best.
very cool, congrats John
Congrats!!!
Who watched the delivery live?
how is the TOOL CHANGER holding up?
Are you having to call Haas for tool changer repairs every 2 weeks like me?
Are you going to start a "Days since somebody broke a Renishaw" counter?
About $50,000 in case anyone was wondering.
filling the shop quick....
I didnt know Haas made a super sport edition. cool!
Hey, they have sent to you also the screwdrivers? Looks like you have purchased a kit :)
Congratulations. Enjoy it
so what's your average electricity usage per week or per month or breakdown per machine if you have the time for it or inclination to make a video along those lines...
Nice! Congrats! 👍👍
I’m so happy, to see Your business is growing super fast! I hope this HAAS will work 24/7!
First cut? Pumpkin?
NO PUMPKIN
Hello, nice video, do you recommend open a mini company ? I am a CNC technician and I would like to do it..of course buying Haas machines
Sorry about the food poisoning. I got it recently and was in the hospital for 4 days. Do you see any major difference between a PC based NC versus a fanuc or Siemens NC?
NYC CNC I agree on fanuc, I find the layout very klunky and not much effort put into anything they do. What about Siemens 840d vs haas nc?
I was wondering if it's possible to chance the older vf1/vf2 control panels to a newer software which is more user friendly or not?
I'd like to see how the new Linux-based control does. We had some problems with a couple of machines in school which had the old ColdFire processor. Oh, and they also threw tools. And the biggest problem I have with these is that they still grossly overstate the spindle horsepower, to as much as twice the actual rating.
Congratulations!
Please...why HAAS over HURCO or others? So many quality brands for selection.
a great machine - i know the feeling for new machines - becuase our company get 2017 10 new DMU 100 P machines - we was so happy to this machines :)
So have fun with your machine and a crash free time^^.
What controller do you use ..??.
Congrats!
What program have you found best to use with this machine?
Sir HASS controller . Mili mill Machine which number pocket ?
Wow! wishing you your good health to enjoy. Well done and many congratulations from across that mighty span of water from Ireland.
Is this the new shop? It looks awesome!
CONGRATS ! :-)
Congratulations
Could this CNC machine make an engine block?
Have you used function of Tapping retraction feed fast than tapping feed??
It's very nice function to reduce cycle time of Tapping retraction.
Can i ask what exactly was that grease that you use under pallets? I didn´t catch it completely from video.
Lanolin
Nice looking machine. It’s amazing how much a single full size VMC can generate revenue though isn’t it? Makes buying the next one almost a no brained.
Yup. So long as you have work for it, the ROI is... there.
NYC CNC
We’re looking at another 5 axis machine ourselves. Just completed 2 major projects in record time with big name investors behind it. Probably be a press release in the next 3-5 months on it.
Congrats!!! Looking forward to the rigging photos ;)
Speaking of ROI, I know WIPS seems expensive, especially if you're using repeatable pallets, but it really pays for itself quickly in tool wear probing alone.
And if you start getting into parts where true position and concentricity are critical, the in process probing is awesome.
NYC CNC
Nothing like having $200k dangling from a crane 4 stories up 🤣
So you guys dont have 415v 3 phase in America? We do in Australia.
Dylan Fresser nope. Strange how 415 is pretty much double 208 like 240 is double 120. We also have 480 (3 phase, 277 between hot and ground) and 600v systems.
Great video John!
thanks!
Congrats.
How much???and how do you make money/profit out of this????