I mean being a kid me and my best friend fist fought over this. It's one of those memories I hold dear to my hear. I really liked the Impulse and the Destiny. I have a metal build Destiny on my desk ( not to say I don't also have the strike freedom on the opposite side of my desk ) I display it proud... now if only there was a metal build Legend Gundam.
destiny is a newer model and suppose to be better than freedom, the guys who made this anime made shinn's gundam piloting Skills inferior to kira and atrun
@@zackrider3708 Let's be real here, the Impulse is way lower spec than the Freedon/Justice sister suits. Same goes for Destiny, something that isn't immediately evident by it's supposed mobility advantage because of the wings of light. However, if you consider the armament constraints of it, it becomes quite clear that it again, much like the Impulse before it, would never match the S. Freedom or the Infinite Justice. Of course none of this matters because the pilots do whatever the plot forces them to do anyway, but it has to be said. So the Impulse was more like a limited production unit unlike the hi spec prototypes, and the Destiny was a mobility prototype that was undergunned, that's how it seems to me.
@@fokjohnpainkiller you may disagree with me but after shinn's victory against the freedom, the military wanted to give him a much better gundam so shin can achieve much more victories and afcourse that gundam has to be much better than impulse, so destiny was not a low-specs compared to freedom and Justice.. shin lost to kira/atrun in the end because they are a much more talented than shin.. and Just Like You, im also a huge fan of shin asuka and i Could NOT Accept this myself but this is the truth. (So Fuck the guy who made this anime and for making kira victorious )
@@zackrider3708 bandai had said shinn was on par with jesus and atrun,a tier called: ultra ace, which consist of those 3+ray (wtf ray) and bandai also said shinn lost to atrun not because of his skills or suit but because of his mental state at the time
@@Forte529 even if shinn's gundam is better than freedom or justice, shin would still lose because he's Not the Main Character and its Clearly stated in the anime that "destiny" is One of the Best gundam ever made by the ZAFT
This fight really show how versatile and powerful the impulse is when it's use right. You literally have a mobile suit that can replace itself theoretically infinitely and can adapt to any battle situation. Shame that they didn't carry this feature into the destiny (I imagine trying to put a nuclear reactor into a core fighter would be a nightmare)
I don't care what people say but Shinn is a damn good pilot and his performance and ingenuity in this fight is one of my absolute favorites in all of gundam, especially that split part
Yeah he is good but overall Kira is better 1. Shinn spent alot of time preparing, running simulated battles and studying Freedom's battles and fighting style 2. Kira was distracted by the archangel being attacked 3. Impulse being able to swap parts on the fly, Kira would have had it won after the impulse lost its first head When they had their rematch later on in Strike Freedom and Destiny Kira has the clear advantage, when he caught Destiny's sword he could have fired his chest cannon and destroyed him there but used the rail guns instead to avoid destroying the machine, Shinn was also attacking so heavily he somehow depleted the Destiny's power suppy despite the fact it was running on a fusion reactor that should have been unlimited
@@digitaladventurer2142 Planning is also part of the piloting skill, it means you know how to play your card right after all, and that's where Kira falls short, he couldn't utilize his cards as well as Shinn, Freedom is superior machine to Impulse, and he do have support from Archangel, but failed to utilize it
@Digital Adventurer the writing by that point of the show was so trash none of it can be taken seriously. Shinn is better. The only reason Kira ever wins is by pure plot convenience.
Seriously, Kira might be the better pilot but Shinn was out for blood. Kira wasn't fighting seriously, trying to get to Archangel the entire time while Shinn was just not letting up the entire time. Kira was actually pushed to the point he tried a kill shot, aiming for Impulse's cockpit.
Not exactly. It was directed on the skirt armor. It only looked like it was going to hit the cockpit because the leg flyer dropped when detached to the impulse.
@@伊藤正英-t7hNo, Athrun didn't use Justice, but Shin was the one who used the machine. After it was destroyed, Athrun returned to using Infinite Justice with a different backpack.
You know, the best part is: if Kira indeed keeps his principal in the end, Shinn's split will be a wrong and fatal move. But Kira DOES break his rule just as Shinn predicted, lol. I dont care how good/bad Freedom is, Freedom is getting predictable, that's is the reason for Kira's Lost. Shinn wins with new strategies that he never used before Freedom, like using the advantages of having spare Leg Flyers and Chest Flyers / the extra Anti-armor razor from another fighter. These are all in Impulse Gundam's original design. All in all, Shinn can read Kira's move but Kira cannot read Shinn's move, that IS everything. And it happens in real life too, e.g. you prepare answers by predicting the questions that could appear in an Exam. But when the question caught you off guard, you lose points. And if you lose enough points, you fail.
Basically solo vs squad? Shinn got a lot support with Spare parts, operator and pressurering Archangel to make Kira lost focus as he need protect it Just remove one disadvantaged Kira either his Principal or Archangel, Shin absolute bail out from cockpit
Shinn at the end impaled the Freedom. Normally that would be the end of Suit and pilot. That would be where the pilot seat be. Except, the seat is under the head chest top. Kira surviving that is plausible. The explosion after, implausible. Only we see Kira, (just in time) pressed the red button. The kill switch to the N reactor.
I don't blame Kira for going for a kill here as Shinn was becoming something of a big problem and he saw he would just keep switching parts if he kept disabling him. Plus Shinn had some big things going for him. He spent alot of time preparing and studying Kira, and to be fair anyone could do that. If Kira had studied up on Shinn beforhand he probably could have changed his stratagy a bit. Anyone would be at a disadvantage going in blind against an enemy that knew all about them. Plus all pilots have a style or mindset when they go into battle that could be exploited. Overall Shinn does seem to prefer close range combat which actually puts Kira at a bit of a disadvantage in itself as Freedom was designed as more of a mid-long range suit.
Reasons why Kira lost: Kira had outgrown the Freedom and it is weighing him down because in SEED the Freedom wasn't originally made to be piloted by Kira Kira's No Kill Rule if he was aiming to Kill Shinn he would have done him in. I'm quoting Tony for this: "Trust me kid, If Cap wanted to lay you out he would've." most importantly Sunrise & Bandai needed the Strike Freedom & Infinite Justice to sell like Pancakes.
@@matsuyowaimo He purposedly missed Shinn many times in the fight and could've easily killed him with that saber attack. Kira lost because he avoided, it's very obvious. If he tried killing him later on due to panicking doesn't change that.
You know, the best part is: if Kira indeed keeps his principal in the end, Shinn's split will be a wrong and fatal move. But Kira WILL break his rule just as Shinn predicted, lol. And then about your theory that Kira is weighing him down, I dont believe this is the reason for Kira's Lost. I dont care how good/bad Freedom is, Freedom is getting predictable, that's all. Shinn wins with new strategies that he never used before Freedom, like using advantages for having spare Leg Flyers and Chest Flyers / the extra Anti-armor razor from another fighter. These are all in Impulse Gundam's original design. All in all, Shinn can read Kira's move but Kira cannot read Shinn's move, that IS everything. And it happens in real life too, e.g. you prepare answers by predicting the questions that could appear in an Exam . But when the question caught you off guard, you lose points. And if you lose enough points, you fail the exam.
The impulse was clearly designed around the concept of taking down Kira and the Freedom. Interchangeable parts to get around Kira’s policy of disarming over killing which allows for kamikaze tactics to slowly whittle down the Freedom since Kira will hesitate going for the kill if it is unnecessary. Not to mention An impulsive pilot to counter Kira’s more methodical approach making it harder for Kira to predict Shinn’s actions. Shin is skilled and easily a top pilot but his only advantage over Kira is his ability to drag the fight out. Which is why he was so soundly defeated when he upgraded to the Destiny. If the Impulse wasn’t a Freedom countermeasure than why not give Shin the Destiny for the fight against Freedom to even the odds?
Ok so I'm just gonna make boths sides hate me on this and I'll tell you why both shin won the fight but losses the war(AKA skills as a pilot). The way Shin used the impulse to dodge, ram, suicide bomb, and self repair himself is ingenious. The way he prepared for every scenario on which part he should protect against kira is proudly shown here and all kira fans should give this up. Now the reason I'm saying he lost the war(AKA Skills as a pilot) is also shown in the anime. First if we take the part kira dodges all of impulses attack (minus the pretty cool trick shot), shin took a very big swing forcing his upper body to be stuck in a continuous motion till it hit a target or till his mech couldn't go any further. During this wide gab Kira had multiple options of attack(legs, waist, cockpit, arms, joints, and modules). In sword fights you never make big swings because if you miss you leave yourselve very vulnerable to a counter. How ever kira did not choose any of the easy options of the leg arms or cockpit he chose to do an overhead swing to shin's head and arms on the opposite of his position which is very hard to do even in the best position he was in. Second during the entirety of this fight he never once used his his full arsenal against shin. He was holding back to not kill him despite the situation he was put in. Thirdly everyone keeps saying he was going for the cockpit before shin separated the impulse. This is wrong and a clear bias from the shin faction. The season before yzak jewel was also in a similar position as shin but it's clearly shown that from an angle it looks like it was aimed at the cockpit or just below it in reality it was a downwards swing aimed at the knees or thighs. For the forth reason it's plain and simple although I find it very cool and smart that shin detached the chest flyer and rammed as a make shipped missile kira if he wanted too could've used his Vulcan(freedom has Vulcan cannons on its head too) cannons too shoot the core splender instantly killing shin. It took shin a few seconds too blow up the chest flyer more then enough time for a volley of bullets to hit the core splender at that range. PS armor doesn't apply here because that only activates when the impulse is fully put together. Fifth is let's just call out the elephant in the room non of shins tactics would've worked if it weren't for the Minerva supporting it through out the fight. Early in the battle shin was already out of the fight if it wasn't for the continues reset button. If it was a full on straight fight with no back ups and support kira would win with support shin has a very high chance of winning. Lastly the final stab with the anti-ship sword is also where shin could've died many times from different factors. During the charge he had no shields nothing but PS armor protecting his cockpit. If kira used his waist mounted rail cannons he would've easily diverted the impulses flight path(that was an error in kiras part so I'm not gonna give it a full point for this one). If kira decided he was gonna kill shin during that clash he would've killed shin with him causing both of them to die. The only reason shin survived that fight at all was because till the bitter end kira refused to kill him. Conclusion this fight shin is the obvious winner because he prepared, stratigized, and had support from the Minerva. Skill wise he is still behind kira because of the many chances kira had he never took it. I hope people can accept this assessment on why this specific fight was shin's win but skills are still lacking compared to kira's
I failed to hate you. I agree with your statements and conclusions. Kira is still a better pilot but he handicapped himself by not trying to kill Shinn. On the other side, Shinn's only motivation is to kill Kira and he's ready to do anything dirty for it.
As you can see guys.. This is the advantage of having a good supply line during conflict. No matter how good your enemy is if he doesn't have propper reinforcement and supply, he will eventually wears down 😆
@@wilbaliton8421he does which is why he lost and got blown up here😂, even kira and lacus themselves thought this strat was too brilliant which is why they took it and used it to beat orphee and the black knights
You know, Athrun is the only character in the Cosmic Era who can boast that he defeated Shinn and Kira in a duel. He pinned and outsmarted Kira when he detonated the Aegis (which Kira miraculously survived from). He wrecked the Destiny twice, first when he was injured and severed the Destiny’s arm and second, when he irreparably destroyed the Destiny with the Justice.
i always took kira surviving that explosion, due to hiding behind the cockpit chair. with it absorbing most of the heat/impact of the blast(besides that hole in the front would limit the amount of heat that did got inside. if he were a natural, he would probably have died, but being a coordinator, i can see him being able to survive the heat of that blast.
I still to this day years and years later don't understand how Kira survived this when every single other entity in this entire franchise is DEADER THAN DEAD when getting impaled with a gigantic sword through the area where the pilot is.
2:34 in here, Kira raise his shield to cockpit pilot, he ejected before Shin land hit Kira supposed to know already what is Anti-Ship laser sword can do when piloting Sword Strike, it's a sword that can penetrate Battleship Armor easily, especially when Impulse is newer model with upgraded version Kira know that but still using shield that's mean he ejected from Freedom right there as his mission on retreating Archangel
I still think in a straight up fight Freedom would have won this battle but Kira has some god tier plot armor lol. This is the second time everyone was convinced that he died.
Yeah, Kira was absolutely pushed to the limits. I noticed that he goes for a cockpit shot too. He's realized that Shinn isn't going down easily and that his usual tactics of targeting his enemy's limbs doesn't work on Impulse.
Can we appreciate the fact that Kira, despite being the ultimate Coordinator, had no military training. His piloting skills has always been based on experience in the field. His moves are highly predictable (the only exceptions being in the desert against Andrew Waltfeld after spending the night with Flay). His main advantage was the sheer speed, endurance and firepower of Freedom. Imagine what Freedom could do if it were piloted by its originally designated pilot: Yzak Joule.
インパルスの機体特性とミネルバの支援をフル活用してるこの戦闘シーン好きすぎる。
損傷したチェストフライヤーを捨て駒にしたりフォースのままソードシルエットの武装だけ使用したり、
ミネルバの支援が期待できる状況でのインパルスは本当に強い。
If kira has the intent to kill shin wilk not win😂
So he can't win without intent? Lol@@mj_0905
この後のPSダウンしてボロッボロになったインパルスと廃人のようになったシン（笑ってるのに涙をボロボロ流してる）の描写が何か虚しさを感じてすごく好きだった。
わかる
この戦闘の時の「いっつもそうやってやれると思うな」っていうシンのセリフが今更ながらダブルミーニングだったことに気づいた
キラの戦法は今の自分には通用しないって意味とそのやり方でもステラみたいに死ぬやつは死ぬって意味だったんだな
いや キラはデストロイに対しては普通にコックピットにレールガンぶっ放してるよ。キラは不殺ではなく被害を最小限に抑える手段を選んでるだけだから殺した方がいい相手は殺るよ。
そういう意味ではシン程度の存在なんてアスランがひと蹴りすれば沈む程度だから、基本的に眼中にすらない。
@@BB-qr2zq 視聴者の視点からすれば、キラが不殺ではないことはクルーゼ戦などを見ればわかりますが、シンが『フリーダムのパイロットがコクピットを狙わない』ことを伝えられたのはデストロイ戦後です
なので、シンの頭の中では『コクピット狙ってない（キラ的には死なせなくたい）のにステラ死んでるじゃねーか』ってなってると思われます
なので、『コクピット狙わなくてもステラみたいに死ぬやつは死ぬし、そもそもそんな戦法インパルスと俺にゃ通用しねぇ』というのが件のセリフの意味なんじゃないかと思った次第です
長文失礼しました
やれる(殺さないで戦闘不能にできる)ってことか！
ここのインパルスは本当にカッコいい。シールド跳弾→コアファイター特攻→分離回避→ソードで突撃って最高じゃないか！！
シンの「絶対に、なにがなんでも殺す」っていう意志を感じるこの戦いほんと好き
それだけに、主役とられた終盤は、アスランのジャスティスに手も足もでずに、ぼこぼこにされて、蹴りとばされて終わる醜態(^-^;)
戦闘前にはレイと一緒にしっかり分析して対策練った上で万全の状態で追い詰めるのも最高でした。
まじで種死で一番盛り上がった回じゃない？
ここからダダ下がりで盛り下がるしなぁ、、、
@@ともっくま-o6v これ勝った感だしてるけど、ガッチリ対策しといてあっさり頭持ってかれてる時点でダサいんだよね。さらにコックピット狙わないのをいいことにコアファイター突撃で時間稼いでるのも相手が落としに来ない事前提過ぎる時間稼ぎだし、アークエンジェルが撃沈されたかもって言うタイミングでキラが気を散らした隙にとどめ刺しにいったのに、頭持ってかれるという情けない同士討ちで終わってる上に、核爆発避けるためにはキラは動力炉停止する余裕すら見て取れるw 結局MSのタイマンだけ見たら原型残してるシンが勝った感出てるけど、アークエンジェルを取り逃がし、キラは相手パイロットを死なせなかった上に自分も生還している。これで勝ちと取れるのはkidsだけよw
@@BB-qr2zq キラ厨必死だな。君みたいな他キャラ下げて推しキャラ上げする奴って、結果的にそのキャラを賛否両論にしてるって自覚ある？
自分の愛する人を殺されて復讐を成し遂げるためにシンの「フリーダムは絶対に堕とす！」っていう意志を感じられる演技をする鈴村さんは凄い
でも、実際やったら主人公降ろされるかバットエンドルートに入るのが運命だからな。子供に影響与えるアニメで復讐鬼主人公が最終的に討たれるのは常だからなぁ…
@@BB-qr2zq
まぁお前みたいなkidsにはそう見えるんだろうなw
進撃の巨人もそう（相手は巨人だったが）
舞い降りる剣とよみがえる翼とこの回のテンポの良さ好き
使えるものをフルで使って戦うこのシンの戦闘本当に大好き
インパルスのゾンビ戦法好きすぎる
1:59 ここの分離回避めっちゃ好き
ていうかここで左羽破壊されてたのね。
(あんまり覚えてない)
これコックピット狙ってね？
確か…SEEDの時のデュエルみたいに直前まで近づけさせて脚部を斬ろうとしたはず…。
@@sironeco-6957
思いっきり胴を狙ってるように見えるけど、分離機構なかったらインパルスが上に逃げる→フリーダムが足斬り成功してたのかな…？
@@hbc9660
違うの、あれは上に回避すると読んでたんやで。でま回避しなくて、まさかの分離w
そりゃあキラもびっくりするわな
今までもシンがフリーダムを倒すためになんでも使う特攻を見っても熱くなれる。頑張ってるシンが好きし応援したいですね
1:11 I love this, it’s over the top and completely insane but it worked
本編、最終回の、ﾃﾞｽﾃｨﾆｰとｲﾝﾊﾟﾙｽがボロボロに倒れてる姿、めちゃくちゃ好き派。ガンプラで塗装して飾りたい
何気に最後インパルスも頭ぶち抜かれてるんだな
盾が間に合っただけじゃなくてサーベル突き出す描写もちゃんとあるし、負ける寸前まで抜け目がない辺りキラも凄い戦闘と言っていい
アークエンジェルを守るためにコクピット以外で一番重要であろうメインカメラを破壊してるのかさすがって感じ
The signature battle scene that also divided a lot of fans.
I mean being a kid me and my best friend fist fought over this. It's one of those memories I hold dear to my hear. I really liked the Impulse and the Destiny. I have a metal build Destiny on my desk ( not to say I don't also have the strike freedom on the opposite side of my desk ) I display it proud... now if only there was a metal build Legend Gundam.
Nothing wrong with impulse or destiny, its the pilot(s) that drive the machines xD
I love both Shin and Kira so I like the fight xD
this fight reminds me jetstream sam vs raiden
@@The.Frumious.BandersnatchI mean, there's a Providence now. Lol, I know, not the same.
SEED DESTINYで1番おもろかったシーンだわ
Shinn best advantage here was "unlimited continue" from impulse.
The moment he uses Destiny and lost that one advantage, he's as good as dead
destiny is a newer model and suppose to be better than freedom, the guys who made this anime made shinn's gundam piloting Skills inferior to kira and atrun
@@zackrider3708 Let's be real here, the Impulse is way lower spec than the Freedon/Justice sister suits. Same goes for Destiny, something that isn't immediately evident by it's supposed mobility advantage because of the wings of light. However, if you consider the armament constraints of it, it becomes quite clear that it again, much like the Impulse before it, would never match the S. Freedom or the Infinite Justice. Of course none of this matters because the pilots do whatever the plot forces them to do anyway, but it has to be said. So the Impulse was more like a limited production unit unlike the hi spec prototypes, and the Destiny was a mobility prototype that was undergunned, that's how it seems to me.
@@fokjohnpainkiller you may disagree with me but after shinn's victory against the freedom, the military wanted to give him a much better gundam so shin can achieve much more victories and afcourse that gundam has to be much better than impulse, so destiny was not a low-specs compared to freedom and Justice.. shin lost to kira/atrun in the end because they are a much more talented than shin.. and Just Like You, im also a huge fan of shin asuka and i Could NOT Accept this myself but this is the truth. (So Fuck the guy who made this anime and for making kira victorious )
@@zackrider3708 bandai had said shinn was on par with jesus and atrun,a tier called: ultra ace, which consist of those 3+ray (wtf ray) and bandai also said shinn lost to atrun not because of his skills or suit but because of his mental state at the time
@@Forte529 even if shinn's gundam is better than freedom or justice, shin would still lose because he's Not the Main Character and its Clearly stated in the anime that "destiny" is One of the Best gundam ever made by the ZAFT
1:10 対ビームコーティングされたシールドで自分のビームライフルを跳弾させて当てる
1:18 頭を失った瞬間に分離して上半身特攻→その隙に再合体
1:55 相手の攻撃を一瞬分離して回避する
2:14 シルエットパーツを換装しないで武装だけ使いつつシールドごと対艦刀で貫く
好き
復讐
まさにフォースインパルスの性能をフルに活かした模写だね
敵がコクピットを狙わないことを利用して1発かます。
そんな舐めプが許される相手じゃないと考え方を改めた相手の思考を読んでの分離。
これほど熱い展開をセリフ無しで分かりやすくやるのはすごい
やっぱ新旧主人公のぶつかり合いは共闘よりも熱い
種死はここまでが本当にあまり文句ないんだよ、セイバーの扱いとかシンが増長したりとかいろいろあったけど…
This fight really show how versatile and powerful the impulse is when it's use right. You literally have a mobile suit that can replace itself theoretically infinitely and can adapt to any battle situation. Shame that they didn't carry this feature into the destiny (I imagine trying to put a nuclear reactor into a core fighter would be a nightmare)
第一期EDの朽ち果てたフリーダムってある意味伏線だったんだよな
この戦闘でのシンは、作中で1番輝いてたと思う。インパルスの特徴を最大限に活かした戦い方で、自分のMSより性能も上の機体、パイロットもスーパーコーディネーターという人類で最も強いと言っても過言じゃないキラ・ヤマトを、自分の愛する人を殺された怒りと悲しみに燃えて復讐を果たすっていうのは、本当にかっこいいと思う。そこからの展開は悪かったとまでは言えないけど、この戦闘以上の活躍とかっこよさはないと思ってる。
ここでシン・アスカが好きになった
性能はフリーダムが上の点もあればインパルスの方が上の部分もあるから互角でいいんじゃないかな。フリーダムは電池切れの心配はないけど、エネルギーの効率はインパルスの方が上みたいだしね。シンが「フリーダムはインパルスよりパワーが上なのにここまで操るなんて」の発言からもフリーダムがここまで善戦したのはキラの操縦技術の補正によるものではないかと。
キラより強い人類ってCE世界に何人かいるけどね
アスランが１番強いのは間違いない。本気出せばキラも互角だとは思うけど。
@@tgd5495
身体能力に関してはキラじゃ軍人として訓練されたアスランには勝てないよ
腕力もカガリより弱いくらいだし
キラ盾で意図的にコックピットの場所を隠してるの上手すぎる
その後直ぐに核のエンジン切ってるのも含めて最悪のシュミレーションも組んでるんだって戦慄した記憶
隠してるっていうか一番守らなきゃいけない場所が自分の乗るコックピットなのだからコックピット前にシールドを構えるのは当然だと思う
@@dantakatsuki6742対艦刀相手に守れるわけないから多分意図的に隠してるぞ
@@Yuuki-ff1yf
Destinyの作中でエクスカリバーとか普通にシールドで防がれてるし、SEEDでもPストの対艦刀もカラミティに防がれてるからシールドで守れないってことはないんじゃないかな？
シード世界のモビルスーツって大体お腹にコックピットあるから、シンも確殺狙ってお腹ぶっ刺したんだと思う。レイと分析しててコックピットの位置を知らないことは無さそうだけど...
映画でも思ったけど、コックピットが首元にある自由正義ってイレギュラーで強いよね。
ビームサーベルでこれ以上上に刺されないようにしてるのも上手すぎる
機体性能は互角、技術と才能と経験はキラが上、だけどシンは覚悟と怒り、そして対フリーダム対策をしまくり、更にインパルスの特性を最大限に活かして見事に勝って見せた…キラめっちゃ好きだけど、そのキラを倒すためにここまでやったシンも好きになったわ
ですよね〜
僕もこのシーンでシンも好きになりました！
機体性能はフリーダムが上ですね。
Because he lose someone he love from the murderer 😭
@@ポッチャマンファイアー インパルスって核エネルギー搭載されてるっけ？
核エンジン搭載機のフリーダムは武装の全てが高火力で纏まってて、継戦能力も他のバッテリー駆動のセカンドシリーズのMSより上。
でもインパルスはAストを更に洗練したような機動力加速力重視の機体だからフリーダムに負けてない。
後この時のキラはインパルスのことをあまり知らなかったから分離で意表を突かれて左翼を破壊されて機体の全体バランスが悪くなって機動力が低下して、最後の突進に対応できなかった。フリーダムのコックピットがちょっと上にあったのが救いだったね。
エクスカリバーをフリーダムに突き刺す時のシンの叫びがマジで好き過ぎる
アロンダイトという名前の大剣です。
@@マコーラ-q1b
アロンダイトは運命の武器だよ…
@@マコーラ-q1b
エクスカリバーで合ってます
2:34 ここのフリーダムが構えるとこカッコいいな
I don't care what people say but Shinn is a damn good pilot and his performance and ingenuity in this fight is one of my absolute favorites in all of gundam, especially that split part
Yeah he is good but overall Kira is better
1. Shinn spent alot of time preparing, running simulated battles and studying Freedom's battles and fighting style
2. Kira was distracted by the archangel being attacked
3. Impulse being able to swap parts on the fly, Kira would have had it won after the impulse lost its first head
When they had their rematch later on in Strike Freedom and Destiny Kira has the clear advantage, when he caught Destiny's sword he could have fired his chest cannon and destroyed him there but used the rail guns instead to avoid destroying the machine, Shinn was also attacking so heavily he somehow depleted the Destiny's power suppy despite the fact it was running on a fusion reactor that should have been unlimited
I like Shinn too! In Seed, I like Arthun most, then Shinn then Lunamaria
@@digitaladventurer2142 sadly the fact hes has no military sense
@@digitaladventurer2142 Planning is also part of the piloting skill, it means you know how to play your card right after all, and that's where Kira falls short, he couldn't utilize his cards as well as Shinn, Freedom is superior machine to Impulse, and he do have support from Archangel, but failed to utilize it
@Digital Adventurer the writing by that point of the show was so trash none of it can be taken seriously. Shinn is better. The only reason Kira ever wins is by pure plot convenience.
キラやアスランより2歳下のシン。戦闘経験と技量の差を分析と気合いで埋めるって凄いよな
Shin y el clon se dieron cuenta que Kira no atacaba a matar. Desde ahí fueron con todo sin miedo, por que sabían que no morirían.
映画を考慮すると何も考えてない状態でこの戦法を編み出してるんだよな…シンヤバすぎる
Thus thats how shins sword stab became destiny's special attack.
無敵に近いキラとここまで張り合って
しかも撃墜までしたシンは本当に頑張った
そうだよね!
ここで主人公交代の合図だ
@@たく-vn 主人公が交代した途端、アスランのジャスティスにぼこぼこにされて、蹴りとばされて終わる醜態をさらしました(^-^;)
主人公的には、ここで頑張るべきじゃなかったけどね。
@@BB-qr2zq
じゃーどこで頑張んの？www
@@たく-vn 次は主人公だね
Bro Shinn kicked ass in this. Studied hard for finals and aced the test.
Seriously, Kira might be the better pilot but Shinn was out for blood. Kira wasn't fighting seriously, trying to get to Archangel the entire time while Shinn was just not letting up the entire time. Kira was actually pushed to the point he tried a kill shot, aiming for Impulse's cockpit.
ガンギマリのシンは作中最強クラスなのはこれと劇場版で改めて証明された
悪役っぽく描かれてるけどこういう主人公いいよね
キラの戦い方やアークエンジェルを守りながら等ハンデはあるがそれを見越した上での完全なシンの戦略勝ち
シンの気持ちの熱さ、執念、格上に喰らいつこうという迫力、そういうのが鈴村さんの演技もあってキラより人臭くて好き。
新劇場版でも良い子良い子にならないでそういうとこ出して欲しい。
ガンダムSEED DESTINYの戦闘シーンで1番好き
シンがキラをここまで抑えてるのにアークエンジェル1つ落とせないザフト軍はなんなんだ…
真面目な話、ミネルバのタンホイザーで無傷なんてありえないよね😅
確かに…
戦力的にほぼキラなのに、いくら神回避のノイマン居るとはいえ、ザフトが無能過ぎる。
杉田ボイスの副官の言う通りにしとけば…
いろんなことが交錯してるとはいえ、一度でもキラに勝ったシンの戦闘能力は流石なんやなって
この世界はメンタルゲーすぎるからデスティニーがあんなことになったと思うしかない()
放送当時、フリーダムが沈んだ瞬間、ヤッタアアアア！！て声出したくらい興奮した。
これこそガチの総力戦、インパルスの特性をフル活用した大金星だよな
チェストフライヤー特攻→コアスプレンダーで爆破して体勢を崩させる流れがなんか凄く好き。
よく見ると最後はフリーダムもインパルスのメインカメラ刺してるんだな。この一瞬で自機からの脱出と敵機を一時的に戦闘不能にしてるからキラの一瞬の判断力はさすが最高のコーディネーター。
多分シンがコックピットに直接刺しに行ったときに相討ちにできるようにしたんだと
おまけにNジャマーキャンセラー、停止させてるのがヤバい
苦し紛れで頭部破壊しただけだぞ
その直前にコクピット狙って攻撃してるからシンを殺す気で戦闘してるしね
行動不能にしてる事で生存してても確認が取れない上に、動力を落として核爆発を防いで相手パイロットを死なせない事も出来ている。 結構余裕あったんじゃねーのって思えるレベルの幕引きの仕方してんだよね。
@@BB-qr2zq 一見これミネルバ軍の勝利に思えるけど、よく考えるとエンジェルダウン作戦は結局失敗してるんだよね。
試合には勝ってるけど勝負では負けてる。
シンはフリーダムは撃破したけどパイロットは取り逃がしてる(おそらくパイロットごと殺すつもりだっただろうから任務失敗といっていいかも)。
キラはオーブを攻撃する口実を議長に与えたくないからこの段階ではザフトを敵に回したくないからできる限り戦いたくない。フリーダムは失ったがインパルスを一時的に戦闘不能にしてパイロットも生存させ逃げ切ってる(シンを殺せば議長が間違いなくそこをついて、我が軍のエースパイロットをフリーダムに殺された。アークエンジェルは我が軍を脅かすテロリストだと主張する展開になる)。
1:58
When Kira found out that he couldn't win, he attack the cockpit directly. His no-kill principle is so easily broken.
Not exactly. It was directed on the skirt armor. It only looked like it was going to hit the cockpit because the leg flyer dropped when detached to the impulse.
But form the looks of it is seem kira really wanted to kill shin of all the body part why aim there?🤨
@@akirafukimura8342 aiming the legs to remove 2 thrusters. There are 1 on each leg after all.
I thought be going for legs he could easily killed him during sword battle shin missed he sliced off his head had been his body fight over with
yall on copium lol its a convenient plot point to show off impulse's modularity
キラがアークエンジェルを脱出させるために終始気にしていたのを差し引いてもインパルスのフルスペックを使って勝ったシンは本当すごい
にしてもフリーダムやっぱかっけぇなぁ
ほんとこん時のシンアスカにはスッキリさせてもらったわ。喝采してフォースインパルスのプラモ買ったもんな。
今のシンがこの映像を見たら、俺は隊長に何て事をって言って落ち込みそうだな
当時はキラが落とされたショックが大きかったし、最強のフリーダムとキラがなぜ落とされたのかみたいな論争も多かった。
だけどseedフリーダムも見た後の素直な感想としてはシン強すぎるだろ。
綺麗な戦い方や技術、相手を無力化する戦いに関してはそりゃキラの方が上かも知らんが、敵を落とす戦闘力に関してこの時点では上回ってるのも納得。
悪夢とかいうひでぇタイトルつけられてたけど報われて良かったな。
meteorのbgm流しながら大活躍するシンをあと数日で毎日見れるようになる。
何度でも見てやるさ
これは名シーンの一つ！
destiny だけでなく歴代の中でも語り継がれるべき戦闘だと思う。
シンのセンスと何を捨てでも勝つという意地を感じる。
It’s moments like this where to me, it’s just kinda satisfying to see Shinn to go crazy, let out his emotions, scream his f*cking head off.
もうシンはディスティニーよりインパルスのほうが向いてるよね〜
とか思っていたけど劇場版観て
シンってメンタル万全だったらなんでも出来るんだなぁと改めて思った…
インパルスの合体システムが最初どうも好きになれなかったんだけど、この戦いでシステムの有用性がようやく理解できて大好きな機体になったな
しかし、映画でもインパルスとは。キラにはライジングフリーダムが、アスランにはイモータルジャスティスが与えられているのに。
@@伊藤正英-t7h映画の話関係ないだろうが
@@伊藤正英-t7hいや新しい機体はギャンでしょ。インパルスはルナマリア
@@伊藤正英-t7hNo, Athrun didn't use Justice, but Shin was the one who used the machine. After it was destroyed, Athrun returned to using Infinite Justice with a different backpack.
ZZ「合体も悪くないだろ？」（）
ザフトと戦っていいのか心に迷いがあったキラと違ってフリーダムを必ず堕とすって確固たる意思を持つシン。
対策に対策を重ねてやっと下克上できたってのがアツいな
それなのに、アスランにはぼこられて、まったく見せ場がないデスティニーのシンでした。
@@伊藤正英-t7h 黙れ
フリーダム撃破した時は「よっしゃ！」って俺は喜んだのは覚えてる
2:39 shinn got such good aim penetrate the reactor
But damn kira pressed a button that stopped the core reactor or probably the emergency shutter while freedom was sinking in the water.
You know, the best part is: if Kira indeed keeps his principal in the end, Shinn's split will be a wrong and fatal move. But Kira DOES break his rule just as Shinn predicted, lol.
I dont care how good/bad Freedom is, Freedom is getting predictable, that's is the reason for Kira's Lost.
Shinn wins with new strategies that he never used before Freedom, like using the advantages of having spare Leg Flyers and Chest Flyers / the extra Anti-armor razor from another fighter. These are all in Impulse Gundam's original design.
All in all, Shinn can read Kira's move but Kira cannot read Shinn's move, that IS everything.
And it happens in real life too, e.g. you prepare answers by predicting the questions that could appear in an Exam. But when the question caught you off guard, you lose points. And if you lose enough points, you fail.
Basically solo vs squad? Shinn got a lot support with Spare parts, operator and pressurering Archangel to make Kira lost focus as he need protect it
Just remove one disadvantaged Kira either his Principal or Archangel, Shin absolute bail out from cockpit
@@manyblock4192 if Kira keeps his principal, he would have won. That is the best part ;)
Shinn at the end impaled the Freedom. Normally that would be the end of Suit and pilot. That would be where the pilot seat be.
Except, the seat is under the head chest top.
Kira surviving that is plausible. The explosion after, implausible.
Only we see Kira, (just in time) pressed the red button.
The kill switch to the N reactor.
I don't blame Kira for going for a kill here as Shinn was becoming something of a big problem and he saw he would just keep switching parts if he kept disabling him.
Plus Shinn had some big things going for him. He spent alot of time preparing and studying Kira, and to be fair anyone could do that. If Kira had studied up on Shinn beforhand he probably could have changed his stratagy a bit. Anyone would be at a disadvantage going in blind against an enemy that knew all about them.
Plus all pilots have a style or mindset when they go into battle that could be exploited.
Overall Shinn does seem to prefer close range combat which actually puts Kira at a bit of a disadvantage in itself as Freedom was designed as more of a mid-long range suit.
@@gr8hax which the nuclear explosion is the result of Minerva's Anti-Matter cannon, both Kira and Shinn should have died there
シンはこの一件からフリーダムキラーと呼ばれるようになり、そしてそれが原因でFREEDOMでのキラに対するシンの心のわだかまりが深まってしまった。アグネスが余計な事言ったのも原因だけど。
キラのフリーダム相手に、バッテリー余力残したまま撃墜して完勝したの凄すぎる
映画でシンだけ新しい機体が与えられず、インパルスってどういう事？
@@伊藤正英-t7hだから関係ない話すんなよおっさん
@@伊藤正英-t7h黙れ！
@@伊藤正英-t7hまあこれから追加されると思うよ。
@@伊藤正英-t7h 新規シルエット追加で大活躍してくれると期待してる
DESTINYのキラは一貫してブレない強さを持っていた。
この頃までのシンも素直ではないがブレない意志を持っていた。
シンはアスランではなく先にキラと交友出来ていればあそこまで後半ブレることは無かったんじゃないかと思う。
シンはアスランよりキラの方が性格的な相性良さそうですよね
一応…憎き打倒フリーダムだから正体を知ったら、本編みたいな終戦後やアスラン(レイを介入させない)を間に通さないとヤバいようなぁ。
1:18
更にここでチェストフライヤーの換装でエネルギー充填も兼ねられた事でデュートリオンビームに頼らない長時間戦闘が可能になった
In the Movie they earn him a nickname Freedom Killer
In this episode his descent to the dark side of the force is nearly complete.
Reasons why Kira lost:
Kira had outgrown the Freedom and it is weighing him down because in SEED the Freedom wasn't originally made to be piloted by Kira
Kira's No Kill Rule if he was aiming to Kill Shinn he would have done him in.
I'm quoting Tony for this:
"Trust me kid, If Cap wanted to lay you out he would've."
most importantly Sunrise & Bandai needed the Strike Freedom & Infinite Justice to sell like Pancakes.
Kira tried to kill Shinn later in the battle, aiming at his cockpit (but Shinn split in time)
Love how wrong you are about Kira being better pilot and the no kill rule was total lie
@@matsuyowaimo He purposedly missed Shinn many times in the fight and could've easily killed him with that saber attack. Kira lost because he avoided, it's very obvious. If he tried killing him later on due to panicking doesn't change that.
You know, the best part is: if Kira indeed keeps his principal in the end, Shinn's split will be a wrong and fatal move. But Kira WILL break his rule just as Shinn predicted, lol.
And then about your theory that Kira is weighing him down, I dont believe this is the reason for Kira's Lost.
I dont care how good/bad Freedom is, Freedom is getting predictable, that's all.
Shinn wins with new strategies that he never used before Freedom, like using advantages for having spare Leg Flyers and Chest Flyers / the extra Anti-armor razor from another fighter. These are all in Impulse Gundam's original design.
All in all, Shinn can read Kira's move but Kira cannot read Shinn's move, that IS everything.
And it happens in real life too, e.g. you prepare answers by predicting the questions that could appear in an Exam . But when the question caught you off guard, you lose points. And if you lose enough points, you fail the exam.
The impulse was clearly designed around the concept of taking down Kira and the Freedom. Interchangeable parts to get around Kira’s policy of disarming over killing which allows for kamikaze tactics to slowly whittle down the Freedom since Kira will hesitate going for the kill if it is unnecessary. Not to mention An impulsive pilot to counter Kira’s more methodical approach making it harder for Kira to predict Shinn’s actions.
Shin is skilled and easily a top pilot but his only advantage over Kira is his ability to drag the fight out. Which is why he was so soundly defeated when he upgraded to the Destiny. If the Impulse wasn’t a Freedom countermeasure than why not give Shin the Destiny for the fight against Freedom to even the odds?
Ok so I'm just gonna make boths sides hate me on this and I'll tell you why both shin won the fight but losses the war(AKA skills as a pilot).
The way Shin used the impulse to dodge, ram, suicide bomb, and self repair himself is ingenious. The way he prepared for every scenario on which part he should protect against kira is proudly shown here and all kira fans should give this up.
Now the reason I'm saying he lost the war(AKA Skills as a pilot) is also shown in the anime.
First if we take the part kira dodges all of impulses attack (minus the pretty cool trick shot), shin took a very big swing forcing his upper body to be stuck in a continuous motion till it hit a target or till his mech couldn't go any further. During this wide gab Kira had multiple options of attack(legs, waist, cockpit, arms, joints, and modules). In sword fights you never make big swings because if you miss you leave yourselve very vulnerable to a counter. How ever kira did not choose any of the easy options of the leg arms or cockpit he chose to do an overhead swing to shin's head and arms on the opposite of his position which is very hard to do even in the best position he was in.
Second during the entirety of this fight he never once used his his full arsenal against shin. He was holding back to not kill him despite the situation he was put in.
Thirdly everyone keeps saying he was going for the cockpit before shin separated the impulse. This is wrong and a clear bias from the shin faction. The season before yzak jewel was also in a similar position as shin but it's clearly shown that from an angle it looks like it was aimed at the cockpit or just below it in reality it was a downwards swing aimed at the knees or thighs.
For the forth reason it's plain and simple although I find it very cool and smart that shin detached the chest flyer and rammed as a make shipped missile kira if he wanted too could've used his Vulcan(freedom has Vulcan cannons on its head too) cannons too shoot the core splender instantly killing shin. It took shin a few seconds too blow up the chest flyer more then enough time for a volley of bullets to hit the core splender at that range. PS armor doesn't apply here because that only activates when the impulse is fully put together.
Fifth is let's just call out the elephant in the room non of shins tactics would've worked if it weren't for the Minerva supporting it through out the fight. Early in the battle shin was already out of the fight if it wasn't for the continues reset button. If it was a full on straight fight with no back ups and support kira would win with support shin has a very high chance of winning.
Lastly the final stab with the anti-ship sword is also where shin could've died many times from different factors. During the charge he had no shields nothing but PS armor protecting his cockpit. If kira used his waist mounted rail cannons he would've easily diverted the impulses flight path(that was an error in kiras part so I'm not gonna give it a full point for this one). If kira decided he was gonna kill shin during that clash he would've killed shin with him causing both of them to die. The only reason shin survived that fight at all was because till the bitter end kira refused to kill him.
Conclusion this fight shin is the obvious winner because he prepared, stratigized, and had support from the Minerva. Skill wise he is still behind kira because of the many chances kira had he never took it. I hope people can accept this assessment on why this specific fight was shin's win but skills are still lacking compared to kira's
And in the end Freedom still got a headshot...... Which could have easily turned into stabbing the cockpit.
@KMJW07 if the head was designed as a cockpit lol.
I failed to hate you.
I agree with your statements and conclusions.
Kira is still a better pilot but he handicapped himself by not trying to kill Shinn.
On the other side, Shinn's only motivation is to kill Kira and he's ready to do anything dirty for it.
ソードについてるブーメラン、威力凄いな。盾で守ってるフリーダムが吹っ飛んでるよね
SEED DESTINYの実質的最終回
じゃあどうやってラクス倒すんだよ
復讐に囚われた男がエクスカリバーを持つとは…
映画でもこれくらい派手に活躍してほしいね
As you can see guys.. This is the advantage of having a good supply line during conflict. No matter how good your enemy is if he doesn't have propper reinforcement and supply, he will eventually wears down 😆
does freedom needs supply? lol
@@wilbaliton8421he does which is why he lost and got blown up here😂, even kira and lacus themselves thought this strat was too brilliant which is why they took it and used it to beat orphee and the black knights
You know, Athrun is the only character in the Cosmic Era who can boast that he defeated Shinn and Kira in a duel.
He pinned and outsmarted Kira when he detonated the Aegis (which Kira miraculously survived from).
He wrecked the Destiny twice, first when he was injured and severed the Destiny’s arm and second, when he irreparably destroyed the Destiny with the Justice.
Irreparably destroyed is kinda questionable considering the leaks of Destiny appearing in the SEED Freedom movie.
Well IJ has the shin leg beams ftw
i always took kira surviving that explosion, due to hiding behind the cockpit chair. with it absorbing most of the heat/impact of the blast(besides that hole in the front would limit the amount of heat that did got inside.
if he were a natural, he would probably have died, but being a coordinator, i can see him being able to survive the heat of that blast.
今でもシードデスティニーの名シーンだと思っている
このシーン本当に好きだった
中学生だった当時、キラが嫌いでシンが好きだった自分にはすごく嬉しかったなぁ
デスティニーvsストフリインジャスもこのくらいの戦いをして欲しかったけど残念…
An emotional pilot vs. A grief-stricken one
I still to this day years and years later don't understand how Kira survived this when every single other entity in this entire franchise is DEADER THAN DEAD when getting impaled with a gigantic sword through the area where the pilot is.
2:34 in here, Kira raise his shield to cockpit pilot, he ejected before Shin land hit
Kira supposed to know already what is Anti-Ship laser sword can do when piloting Sword Strike, it's a sword that can penetrate Battleship Armor easily, especially when Impulse is newer model with upgraded version
Kira know that but still using shield that's mean he ejected from Freedom right there as his mission on retreating Archangel
He make sure to fake death with that shield cover otherwise Shin will cut half Kira Raw body on sea lmao
この時のシン強すぎる。相手を研究しまくった上にインパルスの機体性能をフルで活用して、キラがアークエンジェルに気を取られてるとか以前に勝つべくして勝った感があるわ。
確実に殺しに行ってたらシンは負けてるよ
そもそもアークエンジェルを気に掛けながら戦ってる相手に頭部破壊されてんやで。
戦略とか対策とかで、何とか勝てただけ。分離のやつも本来アレ上に回避するのを読んで攻撃してたからね。目的は胴ではなく脚
ただまさか分離出来るなんて思わなかったからキラも驚くいてたけど
@@tuber8821その辺も気持ちの強さでキラは負けてたと思う。母船同士の戦闘でシンは艦を信じて目の前に集中したのに対してキラは心配ばかり。仲間を信じて戦いきったシンの方が冷静さも相まって気持ちの部分が勝ってた。と思う。
アークエンジェルの為ならもっと本気でインパルスと戦いインパルスを倒しアークエンジェルを守ってほしかった。キラは優しすぎるのが欠点でもあると思う
シンが頑張ったのは分かるけど、親友のサポート(打倒フリーダム分析:知識面)、予備インパルス(残機有り)による継戦性能、ミネルバの戦力(気にする必要性皆無)と、これで(接待されて)勝てなかったらヤベェし、勝って当たり前感ある。
@@まさ-q6t7o シンを殺せばオーブが狙う口実を与えるからね。
議長の捏造によってインパルスはデストロイに立ち向かった勇敢な機体で、そのパイロットは世界の英雄だから。
ムラサメとフリーダムもデストロイに立ち向かった事実は議長にとって都合が悪いのでその場にいなかった事にされてる。
インパルスがデストロイの破壊を邪魔した事も都合が悪いので放送してない。
キラは何も優しさだけで殺さなかったわけではない。殺さない事がオーブにとってベストな選択だっただけ。
劇場版のシンのキラに対する懐き方みていたら、これシンが今みたらまさに悪夢だよな。
今のシンだったらキラにめちゃくちゃ謝ってそう
めちゃくちゃアツイ
当時小さい頃キラ死んだと思って絶望したな
2:46 Kira got a taste of his own medicine when he did that to rau le creuset at the end of gundam seed
The dude deserved it!
称号『フリーダムキラー』獲得🏆
All hail "The Freedom Killer"!
相手を殺さずと殺すとの覚悟の差が勝敗を決めた戦い
いや、レイのアドバイスは役に立たない。殺さずというのは、無用な殺生をしないだけ。状況がひっ迫したら、ニコルの時やアスランの時もそうだし、殺すために、コクピットを狙いにかかりますよ(^-^;)
だから、相手は殺しにかからないと油断したら、やられると思います。シンはインパルスをうまく臨機応変に対応したから勝てたのです。
@@伊藤正英-t7h クルーゼ除けばフリーダムに乗ってからはコクピット狙ってない。ニコルの時は不殺の覚悟決めてなかったはず
@@暇人-z8g いやシンがぶった切ったデストロイのコックピットにとどめと言わんばかりにレールガンぶち込んでるぞ。危険な存在はパイロットごとやる気はある。シンは殺す価値もない程度のうるさい小蝿だから対応が量産機と変わらないだけ
@@暇人-z8g リマスター版ではニコルが勝手に突っ込んで来て死んでますね。
@@暇人-z8g 1:59でメインカメラ破壊しても換装して向かってくるインパルスに対しコクピット狙いの斬撃をしています。
相手が格下なら不殺を通すけど自分が殺されるくらいなら殺してやむなしって感じには見えますね。
キラがコクピット狙わざるを得なかったシーン好き
脚狙ってるらしいよ。1:58のシーンで振りかぶってる時軌道が脚だし。インパルスが分離した時に上下に離れたからコクピット狙ってるように見えるけど違うって監督が言ってた
I still think in a straight up fight Freedom would have won this battle but Kira has some god tier plot armor lol. This is the second time everyone was convinced that he died.
honestly
Bit annoyed that Impulse can just replace itself like that
@@foxsniper1974 Yeah, imagine how OP Strike would be in SEED if he could do that so quickly
@@foxsniper1974 yeah and moreover Kira was have no time to deal with that Rich boy Toys as he need to catch Archangel to protect it
He would killed home after shin missed during the melee battle
because this isn’t a straight up fight? Lol, Kira didn’t use everything his advantage, Shinn did end of story.
シンとキラの直接対決鳥肌立ちます。カッコいいシーンです😆🎵🎵
インパルスに撃墜されるフリーダムが一番トラウマでしたがこの時のキラは刺される前に核エンジン停止ボタンを押してましたね。
もし押してなかったらシンも巻き添えでしたよ。
放射線と発電を少し勉強した自分としては核動力源をボタン一つでON/OFF制御出来て、周囲への放射線に関する影響も含めて対応できる技術が凄いわ。フリーダムが核反応エンジンによる電磁流体発電での電力供給らしいけど、今の技術だと長時間使えない発電技術なだけにその問題をどう解決して実用化してるのかも凄く興味あるね。
ここでスイッチ切ったのは核動力ではなくてNジャマーキャンセラーなのでは？
そもそもが核エネルギーが無効化されている世界なのにその設定無視してる意味不明なチート機能なんで、そういうのもありなのかなと。@@user-bakusyoudaishi
一番好きな戦闘シーンの一つ。
Imagine if Athrun still have Savior and join the fight with same mental state when he fight Aile Strike
Yeah.. Saviour is great gundam with less time to shine..
マジでインパルスの性能をフルに活かしきった戦闘だよなぁ
シンとミネルバの援護が強すぎる
フリーダムはやられたら終わりだけど
インパルスはコアスプレンダーがあれば合体して復活できるからな
それが強すぎる
戦闘中に換装なんて普通出来ないけどちゃんと換装出来る隙を作ってるシンの対応力なのか作戦なのかわからんけどもどっちにしてもシンの戦い方の上手さが光ると思う。
もちろんメイリン含めミネルバのクルーは優秀すぎるんだけど…
福田監督が34話でのキラのコクピット狙いを否定したそうだが、1:59辺りは確かにインパルスが分離した事で脚部が下、腹部が上にズレた事でコクピット狙ってるように見えるだけで、分離しなけりゃフリーダムのサーベルの軌道は胴か脚の付け根辺りを通過してるように見える。
コクピット狙いならサーベルの軌道はもっと上を通過してる。
That fukuda obses to kira,i dont understand why he make shin 😢
キラはメインカメラ、シンは胴体で最後の刺し合ってる描写がまたお互いの意志を表してるように観えますよね
1:59 言われて気付いたけど、今まで徹底して不殺を貫いてきたキラが、敵機のコクピットを狙って攻撃してる。(シンの機転によって回避されたけど)
キラから完全に余裕がなくなったことを暗に示す、いいシーンだと思う。
Yeah, Kira was absolutely pushed to the limits. I noticed that he goes for a cockpit shot too. He's realized that Shinn isn't going down easily and that his usual tactics of targeting his enemy's limbs doesn't work on Impulse.
シンが回避しようと機体を上昇することを見越して脚を切断して無力化させるのが目的だったんじゃない？
シンに対艦刀で貫かれても頭部を攻撃してるところ見ると、不殺は捨ててなかったと思う。
@@ともーにゃ
その通り
確か公式が言ってたはず
でもそのキラの不殺の戦いが
後の（FREEDOM）でのキラの不殺を
リスペクトするシンに大いに影響になってるのも感慨深い
不殺は捨ててないと思う、最後の刺し違えてるシーンからしてお互いの意志を表してるように見えるけど
映画出るまでこの回のインパルスを活かした戦闘のかっこよさとその後のシンのメンタルボロボロで運命の活躍が少し物足りない所からだと思うけど最適MSはインパルスって言われてて個人的にはあの議長がシンのために用意した運命の方じゃないのかな？って思ってたんだけど運命乗ってから色々あって活躍もアレだし言いにくかった中今回の映画で大活躍してくれたのは嬉しかった。
分離わぁ‼︎こうやるんだぁあああ‼︎‼︎
無限の核動力に対して、シンがいくらでもフライヤーを使用できるのは戦闘としていいバランスだったと思う
戦闘中での換装は本来は非常に難しい。
最強のフリーダムがザフトの新型機のインパルスに一方的に追い詰められる動画。
一方的かなぁ？
かなり逼迫してると思う
キラ側にも一定の余裕があった(舐めプ)
それが勝因なんだがね
シンって本当出来る子だよな…
ここのシーンの戦い方なんて天才的だし。
それ含めてこの後の展開もうちょい何とかならなかったんか脚本家の人よ…。
監督の奥さんがキラ大好きだから仕方ない…
@@chupika8012シンがキラより人気出始めたら露骨にシンの扱いを悪くしたとか噂流れるくらいだし相当酷かったんやろな…
@@穴堀進
そんなことが…
劇場版ではシンの活躍を期待したいです😢
基本的にそういうウワサ話はアンチが流したなんの根拠もないデマ
teammate : ay Kira i got you a new gundam
Kira : ok i will destroy the one im using first
teammate : *you what*
Teammate? More like his GF
@@AMURORAY2 no, i means the one saying he got the new gundam, not her
スーパーコーディネータって爆発耐性でもあるのか
スーパーマンみたいな肉体なんじゃない？普通の肉体ではない事は確かだね。
イージスの爆発、エマージェンシーシャッター以外の障害物なしの目の前で受けといて火傷だからなアイツ
そういえば、ストライクで初めて大気圏突入しかけた時、熱出した時に素人の医者がコーディネーターは身体が頑丈とか言ってたな
アスランもあれで無事なの意味がわからんかったけど、コーディネーターだからか？
身体の回復スピードは圧倒的にキラが早いのはスーパーコーディネーターだからなのかな？
1:58辺り、これさえしなければキラは負けてなかった。この後のビームがフリーダムの能動性空力弾性翼を破壊した事で、機動力が大幅にダウン、インパルスと同等かそれ以下になってる。
だからこれ以降のキラの回避は上下移動、盾しか無くなる。
しかもこのシーンシンの方が異常で、元々シンの取った対策はコクピット周辺を狙わないことを利用した回避を主体にして動き、分離機構やシールドを使った不意打ちで攻撃するというもの。
でもこのタイミングでキラは躊躇なしにコクピットを狙ってる。シンにとっては想定外のはずやのに分離で回避、すぐさま翼を狙うっていうファインプレーをしてる。
更にブーメランを使う事でラミネート盾を構えさせて体勢崩し、移動による回避をできなくした後、ラミネート盾を貫ける対艦刀に持ち替えて盾を貫通、フリーダム本体に大ダメージを与えた。
1:51でフリーダムの動きに追い付いてる事を見ると翼を破壊されなくても元々機動力なら高速機動に特化したフォースインパルスの方が上だと思います。
フリーダムはレール砲とビーム砲が標準装備なので機動力戦になるとデッドウエイトになります。
ここはインパルスの換装システムの利点ですね。あとフリーダムは所詮前期の機体なのでキラの反応速度に機体がわずかに追い付かなくなってます。
そこをキラの反応速度に追い付けるように設計したのがストフリなのですがそのストフリでもキラの反応に追い付けなくなる瞬間があったそうです。
キラがこのシーンで狙ってるのは脚やで。普通あそこで上に行くところでそうするとサーベルは脚にあたる。でもそこをシンは分離で避けてるから凄い。
Can we appreciate the fact that Kira, despite being the ultimate Coordinator, had no military training. His piloting skills has always been based on experience in the field. His moves are highly predictable (the only exceptions being in the desert against Andrew Waltfeld after spending the night with Flay). His main advantage was the sheer speed, endurance and firepower of Freedom.
Imagine what Freedom could do if it were piloted by its originally designated pilot: Yzak Joule.
I wonder what would have happened if Kira was given the Shin Getter Robot instead of the Freedom.
Yes he lacks tactics and strategi. But hes Ultimate coordinator. He's the best, even he defeated opponent without kill them.
wait yzak was the originally designated pilot???
@@grantvillamor1941 I've watched Seed and Seed Destiny over and over as a kid and only now as an adult do I find out about this lmao.
@@jaimiranda8563 lmao, technically we see many things as kids that we find out/realize/learn as an adult