Wow, maybe it's just me, but I love the looks of the Vegas... Especially the 25.2 with the bedroom that extends out of the back. I love the view from the large glass up front & the side windows as well. Lastly, I think it's great that starting in 21, Thor went with the more powerful 7.3L V8 over the previous V10. Obviously, this is all just my personal opinion.
They definitely exist because people do like them! This is just our opinion! The V8 is great, but all manufacturers are going with that now because it’s all Ford is offering now.
I just purchased one (Thor Axis) after much research. Here's why... 1. I wanted a smaller Class C sized RV. I love the "Class A" size window to see the beauty of where I'm traveling to without the van feeling of a Class C. In my opinion, the Class A window is far superior to Class C, even if the structural lines in the Vegas/Axis aren't as "beautiful" as a Tiffin. 2. These are much less intimidating than a normal size class A due to size and height. 3. The engine handles the coach very well since it's under 26 ft. Acceleration is impressive. 4. The tires are $200 a piece vs $1200. 5. Suspension upgrades are more affordable since they are truck parts. 6. Allows one to enter into the RV lifestyle earlier in life, based on price and storage etc.. 7. The used market offers them at lower prices, while still relatively new (under 6 to 8 years old). I have researched RV's for years. It's not like the older Class A's which would be in an entry level price range are so much more stylish
Oh no, I'd never judge someone for the tool they choose to get the job done! There are some factors that I think are great: cargo carrying capacity, easy to drive and park, decent layout! But I have my gripes with the design and some of the material quality here, especially at the prices being asked by Camping World ($75K+)
Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel! You missed the nice metal sink in the bathroom instead of plastic. 2 out of 10 is generous. Yet they sell lots of these. Go figure. Think about the stuff underneath that you can't see.
Hahahaha I wanted to be kind. 🤣 I don't fully understand why they sell well, every now and then we see these. I suspect it's the idea of having a "class A" yet being so maneuverable, though this really doesn't have any of the benefits of a typical "class A" to me, really no storage on this unit, very low to the ground, I can't imagine fuel economy makes up for the ugliness, and then the build quality and attention to detail just didn't quite cut it for me, personally. I guess different strokes and such...
@@CozyLivingMachine in my humble opinion, the answer to the question not asked is to find an older high quality name brand RV at 10 to 20 cents on the dollar. Make any repairs needed and enjoy. 2000 to 2008 pre recession is a good quality build window. Think Newmar, Tiffin, and anything out of the Pacific Northwest like Country Coach, Beaver, Safari, Trek, Holiday Rambler etc. Just my 2 cents.
@@kingdavidcoffee That for sure is an option, but not everyones desired answer. I didn't want an older motor home for a handful of reasons. First because of wear, even if taken care of properly. Second because they actually look older, not to mention some parks wont allow older units. I could go on and on.
Yeah, is ugly inside but for someone who can't afford anything expensive or is not willing to get into debt (especially with the interest rates these days) and end up paying three times what is worth at the end of the loan term. Nothing that paint and a few upgrades wont' solve. I will take it if gifted to me! 😄
I know that they were for a while, and then the prices of everything pushed these WAY up. But if you could get a new one for $75k or so, and a used for $40-50K or so with lower miles, I'd be happy with it! Maneuverable as heck, and while this particular decor is atrocious, the newer ones aren't nearly as bad inside. 😂
Bought a 2016 new been all over the place from the east coast to the West no trouble if a UPS truck can get in there I can to. i take mine places you can't dream of. I just hope I don't have to come up behind your slow ass motorhome when you can't pull a hill. My wife and I small dog I need a big motorhome lol . I have other Hobbies other than rving. It's perfect for me as I live on a large lake my main activity is boating. Just putting down other people's equipment is that a West Coast thing?
Seems like you’re really jolly this Christmas! We aren’t putting anyone else’s “equipment” down. Just giving our opinions on it. If you don’t like it that’s totally fine. Enjoy all of your hobbies!
Hahaha that Captain's hat is fantastic and you know it. 😂😂 That was going for at least $75k and being Camping World, I'd bet a little more than even that!
Styling is subjective but within 2 minutes of looking at one of these I crossed it off the list due to the abysmal materials and build quality. Ended up buying a clean 2009 Sunseeker 3120DS, which is longer than I wanted but much better built and a really cool floorplan.
Absolutely. There are definitely advantages and I could see this guy being attractive for folks, especially the current designs. I'd like to see some improvements in their weakest areas though!
Hey Joel, you definitely found the ugly one! 😅 If I’m not too much bother, I have two more questions about your solar for the 29V…. I saw you switched your inverter from renogy because of the double ground fault problem. Mine would be the same… so I’m also leaning towards the SL Euthtion inverter. Is yours ideal or would you prefer the 3500?(especially since i need my A/C in Sedona AZ should I get a little more?) Second, can your cummins generator also charge your sok battery bank for cloudy days? If not why or what will I need to do that? Wouldn’t that be desirable for full-timing like us?
Not a bother at all! And you've been doing your homework here, sounds like! 😂 You know, I don't think it matters all too much, whichever you can get a better deal on is what I'd go with. There is a higher standby power draw on a 3500W vs a 3000W, though I can't say how much power this actually draws (not stated in the guide I looked up). I happen to leave my inverter on 24/7 and you can see a slight drop in voltage overnight, but I wouldn't say this matters all too much at all, especially not in AZ. The coach can only pull 30A of power so either way should do the trick! We don't have it automatically charging our system, but you could easily add either a DC-DC charger OR just a standard 120-12V converter that can handle the different voltages required for LiFePO4. We so rarely use our generator that we didn't want to add the expense, but they're pretty easy to set up as I understand it, and they just plug in to a standard 120V, three prong outlet, and then you'll just want to be sure that you disconnect or unplug this when you shut the generator off. I know with DC-DC chargers there's a way to have it detect power on a line and enable/disable power distribution accordingly, so if there's a will, there's a way!
Thanks for that! Much appreciated. ordered 4 SOK 206ah’s this morning (considering a 5th) planning for a Victron charger (any links would be great) and think I’m going to try the 3000w inverter first since that should be enough … like you, we’re not worried about the 24/7 draw with so much sun out here. Going to try to figure out the generator charge also. Seems like that will cover high usage days and cloudy periods
You're going to love those batteries, seriously they're great. And between solar panels and a generator, you'll never have troubles I'd say. As for a converter charger, this is what I had looked at being a 100A charger. Bigger wires would be helpful here (one of the reviews had some small gauge wiring that's a little sketch) but otherwise it looks like a fair enough price! www.amazon.com/PowerMax-PM4-100A-Converter-Battery/dp/B01ER3LH5W/ref=sr_1_3?crid=10OUO8EHWILDC&keywords=120%2Bto%2B12v%2Bconverter%2Blithium&qid=1675797765&sprefix=120%2Bto%2B12v%2Bconverter%2Blithiu%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0&th=1
Thanks again 🙏… Really can’t overstate how helpful your channel has been for us. So much to learn with so many different models of RV’s and the little details (like that ground fault issue) end up making a big difference. It’s a godsend to have someone so capable with the same model as us sharing this knowledge. Thanks for all the great info along with the great outlook surrounding full time RVing on this channel!
I did it!!! lol finally caught up 🎉 Wow when you said it was bad I didn’t think it would be THAT bad lol The front end looks like a trash truck to me 😂. I hate those twisty knob doors but what can ya do. That interior really was awful tho. What are they selling it for? I’d pay $30k for it. But def no more. Just eww. For the right price tho, it could be a great remodel project. But that front end. Idk if I can get past it.
YOU'VE MADE IT! 🤣 Yeah, she kind of frumpy!! A trash truck... hahahaha I believe this unit is around $75-90k from what I've been seeing online, especially with the lower miles. But agreed, for the right price, it could be figured out! But yeah, a face only a manufacturer could love. 😂😂😂
Hahahaha I'm inclined to agree. Though Fiat is in the game somewhat with the Promaster vans... 😬 I'm glad that I don't see them on larger B+ and class Cs, though they are in Europe!
@@CozyLivingMachine hint hint if you want to hit the jackpot with large numbers of viewers drop in the word "GrapheneOS" . That's how I found you. I am not an RV'er but someday I know you will review update info on the Pixel and GrapheneOS. There are very few videos on it from 2023. IMHO Graphene OS is much better than the Braxphone from Roberto Braxman's YT channel. GrapheneOS gives you more control and has its own sandbox for testing unknown and Non FOSS applications. This is advantage numero uno. Tik Tok anyone ha ha ha ha?
That seems to be the key here! And I'll have an update video for how things are working out (decently well, by the way) but I'd like to solve just a few nuances first and have a little extra "wow factor". In fairness, most people seem to care about the WhatsApp application working, which I couldn't give two owl's hoots about. And TikTok... Boy. "Digital Trash" should become a term more widely used!
As soon as you say Thor I actually hear garbage. I have yet to see a Thor sticker on a rig I like. I feel dirty as it is knowing that our Entegra is owned by Thor and immediately see all the shortcuts and skimping on quality that is done. But yes that is a terrible rig, bad colours, bad build quality, bad use of space, no wonder it is sitting on the used lot, someone had major buyers remorse.
I will not buy a Vegas nah ah it's ugly as hell. Thor should do a better job than that. I say the same thing on @mattsrvreviews and I always talk about the space in the coach. I don't care for the space and I don't care how it looks.
Good to see some honesty in a review. The A class shape on the C class chassis is actually really practical so not sure why there aren't more American RV's doing this. In Europe this is how pretty much every 'A Class' is done and it works well. Not everyone needs a full size bus to cruise around in. My pet hate is the death-by-brown/beige that afflicts 99% of American RV interiors. Again compared to Europe where they know what other colours are, these are all ugly as sin. Does anyone in the US know what interior design is? 😁 For the price they are great budget RV, but I'd be factoring in some renovation costs to replace the disgusting colour schemes. Also, I would've like to have seen the slide in. Is the bed usable with the the slide in?
I could certainly see that! I think the reason is because most folks buy a class A for the storage and cargo capacity, but otherwise would just buy a class C, which is usually easier to work on with the larger hood and all of the same amenities. The class C also offers better storage with the overcab and such! A lot of folks like these little guys, but there's no discernible advantage over a similarly sized class C that I've seen. But the heart wants what the heart wants! 😂 This unit really is very, very ugly. The real shame is the terrible build quality as well, using staples instead of glue and screws, really flimsy wall materials, etc. The unit is unable with the bed slide in as I recall!
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Wow, maybe it's just me, but I love the looks of the Vegas... Especially the 25.2 with the bedroom that extends out of the back. I love the view from the large glass up front & the side windows as well. Lastly, I think it's great that starting in 21, Thor went with the more powerful 7.3L V8 over the previous V10. Obviously, this is all just my personal opinion.
They definitely exist because people do like them! This is just our opinion! The V8 is great, but all manufacturers are going with that now because it’s all Ford is offering now.
I just purchased one (Thor Axis) after much research. Here's why...
1. I wanted a smaller Class C sized RV. I love the "Class A" size window to see the beauty of where I'm traveling to without the van feeling of a Class C. In my opinion, the Class A window is far superior to Class C, even if the structural lines in the Vegas/Axis aren't as "beautiful" as a Tiffin.
2. These are much less intimidating than a normal size class A due to size and height.
3. The engine handles the coach very well since it's under 26 ft. Acceleration is impressive.
4. The tires are $200 a piece vs $1200.
5. Suspension upgrades are more affordable since they are truck parts.
6. Allows one to enter into the RV lifestyle earlier in life, based on price and storage etc..
7. The used market offers them at lower prices, while still relatively new (under 6 to 8 years old).
I have researched RV's for years. It's not like the older Class A's which would be in an entry level price range are so much more stylish
I love those Vegas motorhome
Nothing wrong with that!! They have a good following of loyal fans!
We love our '16 24.1 ... runs great, zero problems ... downsized from 32' Class A ... so much easier 😊
I can imagine, and that's great!
For some people, this is the best option for their budget. You shouldn't begrudge them for it.
Oh no, I'd never judge someone for the tool they choose to get the job done! There are some factors that I think are great: cargo carrying capacity, easy to drive and park, decent layout! But I have my gripes with the design and some of the material quality here, especially at the prices being asked by Camping World ($75K+)
They arent cheap, you can get something way better for what it costs
@@FrankBullitt390 what would be new, cheaper, & "better"?
@@RamblinRoadies You require help how to look around for what your budget is?
@@FrankBullitt390 Judging from your previous statement, I assumed you already had something in mind.
Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel! You missed the nice metal sink in the bathroom instead of plastic. 2 out of 10 is generous. Yet they sell lots of these. Go figure. Think about the stuff underneath that you can't see.
Hahahaha I wanted to be kind. 🤣 I don't fully understand why they sell well, every now and then we see these. I suspect it's the idea of having a "class A" yet being so maneuverable, though this really doesn't have any of the benefits of a typical "class A" to me, really no storage on this unit, very low to the ground, I can't imagine fuel economy makes up for the ugliness, and then the build quality and attention to detail just didn't quite cut it for me, personally. I guess different strokes and such...
@@CozyLivingMachine in my humble opinion, the answer to the question not asked is to find an older high quality name brand RV at 10 to 20 cents on the dollar. Make any repairs needed and enjoy. 2000 to 2008 pre recession is a good quality build window. Think Newmar, Tiffin, and anything out of the Pacific Northwest like Country Coach, Beaver, Safari, Trek, Holiday Rambler etc. Just my 2 cents.
@@kingdavidcoffee I agree! And funny you should mention that, this is an incredible option for folks: ruclips.net/video/ImrX2mgaJTg/видео.html
@@kingdavidcoffee That for sure is an option, but not everyones desired answer. I didn't want an older motor home for a handful of reasons. First because of wear, even if taken care of properly. Second because they actually look older, not to mention some parks wont allow older units. I could go on and on.
I'm OK with the curved windshield but I don't like the wipers. Prefer the wipes to be tucked down.
Yeah, is ugly inside but for someone who can't afford anything expensive or is not willing to get into debt (especially with the interest rates these days) and end up paying three times what is worth at the end of the loan term. Nothing that paint and a few upgrades wont' solve. I will take it if gifted to me! 😄
100%! With some TLC, paint, and imagination, it could be a half-decent unit! I'd certainly take it as a gift as well!! 😂
I was actually considering these size class As for awhile. They are dirt cheap in the used market
I know that they were for a while, and then the prices of everything pushed these WAY up. But if you could get a new one for $75k or so, and a used for $40-50K or so with lower miles, I'd be happy with it! Maneuverable as heck, and while this particular decor is atrocious, the newer ones aren't nearly as bad inside. 😂
you had a personal key that starts that Thor? Aren’t RV ignitions keyed different like cars?
Oh no, they wrap a wire around the ignition so the keys don't get lost, that's what that was! All keyed differently 😊
Misleading headline! Thor got me considering to buy one!
There's an RV for everyone and someone for every RV!
I agree with you, its ugly on the outside, but on the inside, its actually not too bad...
I have to disagree on personal opinion alone, but I will say that it has a lot more potential!! 😂
Bought a 2016 new been all over the place from the east coast to the West no trouble if a UPS truck can get in there I can to. i take mine places you can't dream of. I just hope I don't have to come up behind your slow ass motorhome when you can't pull a hill. My wife and I small dog I need a big motorhome lol . I have other Hobbies other than rving. It's perfect for me as I live on a large lake my main activity is boating. Just putting down other people's equipment is that a West Coast thing?
Seems like you’re really jolly this Christmas! We aren’t putting anyone else’s “equipment” down. Just giving our opinions on it. If you don’t like it that’s totally fine. Enjoy all of your hobbies!
Tell us how you really feel Captain of the HR with that HAT, lol... Were they selling that for
Hahaha that Captain's hat is fantastic and you know it. 😂😂 That was going for at least $75k and being Camping World, I'd bet a little more than even that!
@@CozyLivingMachine Hope your getting that HAT ready for the BIG reveal
I gave it to my niece and that jerk ruined it. 😂😂
There;s one on ebay right now, they're trying to get $75K...I guess they didn't get the memo.
Styling is subjective but within 2 minutes of looking at one of these I crossed it off the list due to the abysmal materials and build quality. Ended up buying a clean 2009 Sunseeker 3120DS, which is longer than I wanted but much better built and a really cool floorplan.
Agree 100%
😂😂
I love the design but quality is questionable for sure
Absolutely. There are definitely advantages and I could see this guy being attractive for folks, especially the current designs. I'd like to see some improvements in their weakest areas though!
Hey Joel, you definitely found the ugly one! 😅 If I’m not too much bother, I have two more questions about your solar for the 29V…. I saw you switched your inverter from renogy because of the double ground fault problem. Mine would be the same… so I’m also leaning towards the SL Euthtion inverter. Is yours ideal or would you prefer the 3500?(especially since i need my A/C in Sedona AZ should I get a little more?)
Second, can your cummins generator also charge your sok battery bank for cloudy days? If not why or what will I need to do that? Wouldn’t that be desirable for full-timing like us?
Not a bother at all! And you've been doing your homework here, sounds like! 😂 You know, I don't think it matters all too much, whichever you can get a better deal on is what I'd go with. There is a higher standby power draw on a 3500W vs a 3000W, though I can't say how much power this actually draws (not stated in the guide I looked up). I happen to leave my inverter on 24/7 and you can see a slight drop in voltage overnight, but I wouldn't say this matters all too much at all, especially not in AZ. The coach can only pull 30A of power so either way should do the trick!
We don't have it automatically charging our system, but you could easily add either a DC-DC charger OR just a standard 120-12V converter that can handle the different voltages required for LiFePO4. We so rarely use our generator that we didn't want to add the expense, but they're pretty easy to set up as I understand it, and they just plug in to a standard 120V, three prong outlet, and then you'll just want to be sure that you disconnect or unplug this when you shut the generator off. I know with DC-DC chargers there's a way to have it detect power on a line and enable/disable power distribution accordingly, so if there's a will, there's a way!
Thanks for that! Much appreciated.
ordered 4 SOK 206ah’s this morning (considering a 5th) planning for a Victron charger (any links would be great) and think I’m going to try the 3000w inverter first since that should be enough … like you, we’re not worried about the 24/7 draw with so much sun out here. Going to try to figure out the generator charge also. Seems like that will cover high usage days and cloudy periods
You're going to love those batteries, seriously they're great. And between solar panels and a generator, you'll never have troubles I'd say. As for a converter charger, this is what I had looked at being a 100A charger. Bigger wires would be helpful here (one of the reviews had some small gauge wiring that's a little sketch) but otherwise it looks like a fair enough price!
www.amazon.com/PowerMax-PM4-100A-Converter-Battery/dp/B01ER3LH5W/ref=sr_1_3?crid=10OUO8EHWILDC&keywords=120%2Bto%2B12v%2Bconverter%2Blithium&qid=1675797765&sprefix=120%2Bto%2B12v%2Bconverter%2Blithiu%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0&th=1
Thanks again 🙏… Really can’t overstate how helpful your channel has been for us. So much to learn with so many different models of RV’s and the little details (like that ground fault issue) end up making a big difference. It’s a godsend to have someone so capable with the same model as us sharing this knowledge. Thanks for all the great info along with the great outlook surrounding full time RVing on this channel!
I can't be sure... do you like it or hate it?! 🤣
HA. It's on my bad list, I'll say that. 😂
Color choice, to each his own. My main concern is mechanical.
Absolutely!
I did it!!! lol finally caught up 🎉
Wow when you said it was bad I didn’t think it would be THAT bad lol
The front end looks like a trash truck to me 😂. I hate those twisty knob doors but what can ya do.
That interior really was awful tho. What are they selling it for? I’d pay $30k for it. But def no more. Just eww. For the right price tho, it could be a great remodel project.
But that front end. Idk if I can get past it.
YOU'VE MADE IT! 🤣 Yeah, she kind of frumpy!! A trash truck... hahahaha I believe this unit is around $75-90k from what I've been seeing online, especially with the lower miles. But agreed, for the right price, it could be figured out! But yeah, a face only a manufacturer could love. 😂😂😂
@@CozyLivingMachine 😂😂😂
Seeing you hate this One So, What's your Favorite RV?
Good morning ! Great review and I agree those things are terrible 🤮🤮
Good morning! And they leave quite a bit to be desired. 🤣
I miss Emma!
You and me both!
You discovered the Fiat of Motorhomes.
Hahahaha I'm inclined to agree. Though Fiat is in the game somewhat with the Promaster vans... 😬 I'm glad that I don't see them on larger B+ and class Cs, though they are in Europe!
@@CozyLivingMachine hint hint if you want to hit the jackpot with large numbers of viewers drop in the word "GrapheneOS" . That's how I found you. I am not an RV'er but someday I know you will review update info on the Pixel and GrapheneOS. There are very few videos on it from 2023. IMHO Graphene OS is much better than the Braxphone from Roberto Braxman's YT channel. GrapheneOS gives you more control and has its own sandbox for testing unknown and Non FOSS applications. This is advantage numero uno. Tik Tok anyone ha ha ha ha?
That seems to be the key here! And I'll have an update video for how things are working out (decently well, by the way) but I'd like to solve just a few nuances first and have a little extra "wow factor". In fairness, most people seem to care about the WhatsApp application working, which I couldn't give two owl's hoots about. And TikTok... Boy. "Digital Trash" should become a term more widely used!
Just the finshes my guy. Put those in any rv and itd be ugly. Its outdated
As soon as you say Thor I actually hear garbage. I have yet to see a Thor sticker on a rig I like. I feel dirty as it is knowing that our Entegra is owned by Thor and immediately see all the shortcuts and skimping on quality that is done.
But yes that is a terrible rig, bad colours, bad build quality, bad use of space, no wonder it is sitting on the used lot, someone had major buyers remorse.
I am inclined to agree! 😂
That was soooo bad!!!!
I know it, right? I think the FAKE wicker is what really threw me for a loop here! 😂
Terrible review from a guy wearing crocs 😂😂😂
I will not buy a Vegas nah ah it's ugly as hell. Thor should do a better job than that. I say the same thing on @mattsrvreviews and I always talk about the space in the coach. I don't care for the space and I don't care how it looks.
Its a thor product. THOR = I did no research before buying this
🤣🤣🤣
Good to see some honesty in a review. The A class shape on the C class chassis is actually really practical so not sure why there aren't more American RV's doing this. In Europe this is how pretty much every 'A Class' is done and it works well. Not everyone needs a full size bus to cruise around in.
My pet hate is the death-by-brown/beige that afflicts 99% of American RV interiors. Again compared to Europe where they know what other colours are, these are all ugly as sin. Does anyone in the US know what interior design is? 😁
For the price they are great budget RV, but I'd be factoring in some renovation costs to replace the disgusting colour schemes.
Also, I would've like to have seen the slide in. Is the bed usable with the the slide in?
I could certainly see that! I think the reason is because most folks buy a class A for the storage and cargo capacity, but otherwise would just buy a class C, which is usually easier to work on with the larger hood and all of the same amenities. The class C also offers better storage with the overcab and such! A lot of folks like these little guys, but there's no discernible advantage over a similarly sized class C that I've seen. But the heart wants what the heart wants! 😂 This unit really is very, very ugly. The real shame is the terrible build quality as well, using staples instead of glue and screws, really flimsy wall materials, etc. The unit is unable with the bed slide in as I recall!