@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS Preference is one thing, but trackpoint is just better, if you don't need gestures. More precise movement, hardware click buttons and faster scrolling
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS i realize this is random reply quite late, but the main reason i use thinkpads is trackpoint and they keyboard. there's simply no competition, sadly.
85% off the time I use the trackpad on my Thinkpad. But when I'm cramped on a bus or plane, or have it on my knees the trackpoint is a God send. Lenovo... Don't remove it. Options with this little downside are always better. But also make your trackpads better
I sometimes have to work outside (robotics stuff) and in the winter I can wear gloves and still use the mouse thanks to the TrackPoint while the other people have their hands freezing in the cold because gloves don't work with the TouchPad (: yeah I know there are touch gloves, but ones that work well are expensive and in any case I tried both solutions and the TrackPoint is just better and more precise
agree. right now I have it on one of my legs and having that red nub makes a difference when I need to do fine movement. That and the easy access to the dedicated page down button makes it a please to read or scroll down a lot of text (vs spacebar)
If someone doesn't want the TrackPoint then get an Acer but the dedicated ThinkPad lovers will always buy the Thinkpad because they love the Trackpoint.
I'm not a big fan myself, but a lot of people who didn't grow up with laptops have trouble with actually touching the trackpad. The nipple might be in the way for our generation, but there are a lot of boomers and GenXers who can barely use a laptop without turning the trackpad off.
I played a ton of Moorhuhn (look it up) on an IBM Thinkpad that was owned by my mother's friend back in the day. We even had family competitions. Only game my mother played. The trackpoint is pretty great and always a plus to have.
Not only does this exact trackpad work fine wearing latex or nitrile gloves but no chemistry or medical practitioner should be using their laptop with gloves on. Most safety procedures require you to take them off before touching basically anything you use without gloves.
"Lenovo should make a laptop without the Trackpoint" says the guy who never heard about Lenovo IdeaPad or Lenovo ThinkBook. Seriously, it's not like Lenovo doesn't give you choices. People who buy ThinkPads like them just as they are. Don't screw us over...
Well Lenovo did remove the track point buttons, and it was not well received, so they brought it back. The track point is also useful in places where you need the precision of an external mouse, but don't have space for one.
Also it's just great for using keyboard shortcuts while using the mouse. You have your hands right on the keys all the time and have so much control. I'm using my browser almost entirely with shortcuts now instead of the mouse, which makes me much faster than using the mouse to do everything.
@@TheSengard If it's one of the T440 models, then the track pad can be replaced with one from a T540 that has the dedicated buttons. Did it to mine and could never go back.
@@pederhsx Same on all 3 of the Thinkpad models I own, which are an X120e, X131e, and X140e, and I have nerve damage in my left arm/hand from an accident as a kid that broke my arm, and it cause my arm to jump/pop/shake at random due to nerve damage, and again I've never hit the trackpoint like he does.
@mikes gt Lenovo tried that a few years ago, and there core user base got so pissed, they reversed their decision, and put it back, so it's not going away anytime soon.
Yep apparently, Alex is a newb xD Because he doesn't even realize you can be faster and more precise with the trackpoint if learnt, and that's a pretty awesome feature to have.
I bought a T420 years ago, and thought the trackpoint was stupid. Didn't use it for the longest time. Then out of the blue, I told myself that I would try using it for at least a week, to see if it's better. Years later, and I might as well just remove the touchpad, because the trackpoint is the bomb diggity. The funniest thing, is how amazing it is in gaming. People don't understand. You literally have a joystick in the middle of the keyboard. Playing something like World of Warcraft, is somewhere in-between a mouse, and a touchpad. Highly usable.
If lenovo dropped the trackpoint what the hell would all of the addicted users (including me) go for a new laptop? However i believe it should be possible to make a larger replacement trackpad (without the mousekeys) as an option
They could at least use a different material for the trackpad itself and even find some ways to perhaps enlarge it slightly (maybe making the trackpoint buttons above the trackpad slightly smaller? spitballing here). There's definitely room for improvement. But then I'd just argue, if you're not a fan of the trackpoint/trackpoint buttons above the trackpad, go for the C940. Kind of solves all the issues.
You know what you could do? Disable the trackpoint via software. Instead of advocating for removing a feature that many love and so few laptops have to begin with.
LTT to Apple: “Why you get rid of things people like such as headphone jack and type A port? LTT to Lenovo: “Screw the people that like the hardware buttons and the mouse nipple. If consumers get upset don’t listen to them.” Really guys?
You see, headphone jack and the mouse nipple are two completely different things. No mouse nipple? Just use a trackpad/regular mouse. No headphone jack? You need to buy eighter a Bluetooth headphones, or dongle you will have to carry around with you anytime you want to listen to some music... So yeah, really...
I could never ever get the sensitivity on my T460s to feel right. It's always too fast or too slow. Sorry, but like the headphone jack, I think it's time for the trackpoint to go.
@@AustinRoss I agree with the trackpoint going(not needed with modern good trackpads IMO) but why would you ever choose to go without the headphone jack? I suppose you could argue that a trackpoint is better than a bad trackpad but on a $2K laptop, shouldn't the trackpad be up to the job?
@@replikvltyoutube3727 that last one was louis rossmans thing. i didn't really get the vibe that anyone at lmg gets why people like or used to like thinkpads.
I tried that on my former laptop but then switched to a MacBook solely for the huge trackpad. I do a lot of surfing and work with about all the tabs copying pasting etc. Some don’t really have my fingers on the keyboard all the time.
Well he says using the thumb to use the touch pad counts as staying on the keyboard neglecting the fact the trackpad isn't within the keyboards bounds and he has moved his thumb off the spacebar as it is supposed to be and is definitely outside the keyboard to use the trackpad.
Ltt staff would rather shill for apple than prevent RSI's. Fuck the trackpoint, use your mouse with a large trackpad to fuck up your bones while you are forced to type with your palms up which will fuck with your hands in a thousand different ways.
I can't stand it, but I fully understand that's one of the design choices that makes this stand out from the crowd. Sounds quite delirious to suggest removing one of it's key selling points. Each to their own of course, but seems like quite blind market insight. I'd rather suggest a keyboard alternative at checkout customization for those who's interested in the machine with a more standard keyboard.
Had to stop when he asked lenovo to get rid of the trackpoint. I'm sorry, but this forced me to dislike. A thinkpad isn't a thinkpad without the trackpoint, period.
Good luck using trackpad during commisioning, wearing gloves, standing in the middle of boilerhouse when you optimize the installation and make corrections to the PLC. People working in the power industry know what I'm talking about. TrackPoint 4 Life! ThinkPad 4 Life!
Unfortunately Alex is wrong, the trackpoint is the best integrated mouse option for a business style laptop, since Toshiba no longer includes a side mounted, detachable, track ball system. Thank you Lenovo for keep it around. But if you are going to do any serious mouse based activities you are still better off having an actual external mouse.
Wow... I remember using a trackball mouse for my windows 98 and 2000 desktops when I was younger. That's actually how I played all my games up until XP.
Since I reintroduced myself to the thinkpad lineup with a p1 gen 2, I have found that I like to use both the touchpad and trackpoint on a daily basis. And honestly for any engineer that does Solid-works or AutoCAD on the go, the trackpoint is the only alternative to a mouse due to the dedicated middle click button
Trackpoint = Better than Trackpad for precision and speed. Also, the fact that he couldn't even think to just remove the trackpoint cap is kind of sad.
Lenovo doesn't even know how to use the Trackpoint. Have you ever seen how they use it in some of their own videos? That's what led them to removing the physical buttons above the Trackpad (e.g. the T440)---and they got spanked by the negative feedback.
The trackpiont is absolutely amazing, especially for scrolling in any direction. Also the buttens in combination with the touchpad make it more comfortable to move windows or files. Even if you don´t use it, it is the first time I hear, that somebody get in conflict with it while typing.
For a lot of people the red dot is actually the main selling point. When you see that Laptop next to another one noone will care about 1-2% better performance or thermals.
I use both depending on the situation since my Elitebook has a very nice and responsive glass top touchpad, but no way I'm giving up on the trackpoint.
For me my track point is disabled due to hardware damage to the ribbon cable. And my track pad still worked just fine (I also upgraded the track pad driver to a driver for Lenovo laptops).
Trackpoint is useful for two reasons: It + middle key gives you easy infinite scrolling Great for games that use a joystick-style input bound to a mouse, pushing the nub in a direction sends the game constant directional input. I legitimately play games some games like this :)
Totally agree. Alex, don't touch my nipple, seriously. The last thing that lenovo did not screw up yet is the trackpoint. Like listen to yourself when you say that it's bold to be like everyone else. I thought you guys are playing for a diverse and good market... If everyone does the same thing... My early thinkpads never needed touchpads before you cryboys made them put it on every of my beloved Xs at the expense of the good keyboard! I guess you cannot stop there. Low and sad.
except that the trackpoint is pretty much a tiny analog stick, and those things suck so hard for aiming that games have a built-in aimbot cheat called "aim assist"
It's still the most precise and comfortable thing even when compared to apple trackpads. And, well, if you are on the desk and don't have a mouse, you're doing something wrong.
"Neuter a massive part of your brand identity and remove a feature that a massive portion of your core userbase loves, because I keep hitting it, despite the fact it can be disabled in BIOS or just have the cap removed completely" I do agree that the trackpads aren't as good as other competitors, and should be improved for those that like them, but there is no reason to get rid of the TrackPoint.
I competely agree with him. Remove those stupid buttons above the trackpad and give us a bigger one. Otherwise I'm not interested in nipples enough to ignore the 16:9 display.
I type fairly decent at 60 - 75 WPM when I'm not distracted by something else, and most would say I have an odd style, but with my 3 Thinkpads, an X120e, X131e, and X140e I've never hit the trackpoint, unless it's purpose to use thing when I'm mobile, and can't use a mouse, or forgot to pack my mouse.
Finally some ThinkPad love on this channel! Edit: Nevermind... reached the nipple complaints... Spend a day using it and you will never use a trackpad!
Yeah, they pretty much disrespected the ThinkPad by saying that the TrackPoint should be removed. They didn't even bother to understand why is it that the TrackPoint is there.
I competely agree with him. Remove those stupid buttons above the trackpad and give us a bigger one. Otherwise I'm not interested in nipples enough to ignore the 16:9 display.
@@utubekullanicisi there's the Ideapad and Yoga for that. The Thinkpad is supposed to carter to specific people. Those who don't want it can buy the IdeaPad
Legit Plays Fair enough. I just don’t see the need for a nipple. It’s kinda like the Galaxy Note series, it’s cool to have a stylus but you could jam a bigger battery in there.
@@utubekullanicisi There are people that only buy thinkpad because of the trackpoint (incl. me). I assume Lenovo knows how big that userbase actually is and that's why they keep it. Even in the comments here you can see that the userbase is quite large for the trackpoint. I even use it on my normal pc and bought the lenovo compact keyboard. I wish they would make proper keyboards with a trackpoint again.
This is not vocal minority, most people I know buy Thinkpads for the trackpoint and its convenience. You simply can't use it and you don't understand it's purpose. Stick to Surface or MacBook and keep on swiping...
@@sxdev there's the other option of just pulling the nipple off, just be careful not to lose it or it's $8.79 for 10 direct from lenovo if you ever want it back.
Exactly! I cringed the last time when ltt renewed an X1 Carbon, which also happens to be my daily laptop when they talked about the nipple without understanding the point of it.
Yeah, it's litterally the reason why I'm not going to buy any other laptop for university than a Thinkpad. I even bought the USB Thinkpad to use with my main PC :D.
I rock an L470 for this very reason, feels closest to a mouse without getting one out the bag. Would rather point and click, than dragging icons and text all over the screen! Yes, I am a gorilla... ;)
Gotta join the vocal majority here: I exclusively use the trackpoint when not using a mouse. It's the perfect option for integrated pointer control in my experience.
It's the best way to scroll through spreadsheets and large documents, once you get used to it (so like after an hour) it becomes so much better than trackpads
would be an instant purchase for me, the x200 series had this and it was the bomb. trackpads are made for being disabled in bios day #1 anyway, remove it please lenovo!
The Lenovo ThinkPads we get for our customers are by far my favorite to work on. Management has been getting the 6th gen X1 carbons and everything about them just feels nice while not being stupid or flashy. Great line of laptops.
Alex - the day Lenovo will remove the trackpoint, is the day that Lenovo will lose some serious corporate sales. Read: the track point is not going away, any time soon, and it's there already since 1992!
@@7Write4This9Heart7 I hope it never goes away, and even though I don't always use it on my X120e, X131e, and X140e, it's nice to have when mobile, and can't use my mouse, or I forgot to pack my mouse in my laptop bag.
yep. they tried "something new" in 2014, and flop. if you wan't "something new" just don't buy laptop that doesn't changed it looks for decades (yes, it's plural).
@Sotha42's-comment/post "Lenovo released the _40 series without buttons for trackpad users. Didn't turn out so well. I ended up replacing my touchpad to get one with buttons": Actually that was Lenovo's first-attempt at copying Apple [and their Macbook-Air] (ie. Getting-rid of the dedicated left-&-right-click mouse-buttons & moving them "under" the touchpad when you already -- ever-since touchpad-technology was invented -- could "tap" on the touchpad to register a left-click). They've been doing it slowly-&-subtly ever since.
Thinkpads have always been built specifically for this "vocal minority". They're also pretty much the only option for us. People with different priorities have other options they can choose, we don't. So I think it's quite understandable that people become a little defensive.
@@Mr_Tralala The nonvocal* majority. But I agree, it's called a vocal minority because they go out of their way to be heard and misrepresent the actual number of people who are in support or not.
mostly agree except for the fact that keyboard layout is still very practical. How many of us use the opposite shift/ctrl key ie right ctrl v or right shift A. If youre using emacs or typing alot this is ergonimic blessing. Add that the fact you can easily use this on your lap (unlike the surface books series and surface pros) its a complete package. Attaching a mouse distroy the purpose of having the red nub
@@oxodao Could put a second screen across the bottom bar. Then you can say it has a super large touchpad just it sucks at being a touchpad even worse so just use a mouse or the trackpoint.
The Trackpoint is the best thing you can have on a laptop. I hate touchpads. Together with the middle mouse button the trackpoint is very functional. But you have to disable the automatic left click when tapping on the trackpoint. I am so much faster with that thing. Even scrolling while holding the middle mouse button is much easier and you have to move your hands not a single centimeter.
Today I discovered the "middle mouse button" isn't actually the middle mouse button when I tried to pan the view in Blender with Shift+LMB. Was very disappointed to have to enable "emulate 3 button mouse" in the preferences :/
I did that and it's the best palm rejection you can have :D Never going back until Trackpads will somehow get insanely better in terms of accuracy and ease of use
When using a laptop on my lap (in public transport for example), I only use the trackpoint, otherwise my wrist is in an awkward position and that's uncomfortable.
TRACK POINT ISNT A MINORITY! Amittedly i use both, but find the nippe more useful since a touchpad usually requires multiple swipes or two fingers. I agree that it should be an option to have it or not, and make 1080p the default, though the lower option might still come in handy for people that need long battery life. Also you can disable the nipple in windows.
If you don't like the TrackPoint but really want a ThinkPad, get an X240, which doesn't have physical TrackPoint buttons (and the TrackPoint cap can be pulled off). You don't need the latest laptop to browse the web and write Word documents. Sent from my ThinkPad T440s (bigger version of X240) with retro-fitted real trackpoint buttons
One of the most compelling reasons to buy a thinkpad is that little nipple, it makes sense in a lot of scenarios, mostly when you are working on something on the go. DON'T REMOVE IT, is the think I most love about the computer
Main reason for me to stick with Thinkpads is the trackpoint, hard to find a replacement notebook due to this feature. Not sure about other, but I keep my trackpad disabled and only use the trackpoint. With the trackpoint, I'm able to keep my fingers on the keypad all the time, you'll know once you get used to it.
Got a T420 here and absolutely agree. Tried the trackpoint for a week and was convinced. However, I don't fully disable the trackpad. Since I'm stuck with it I thought I will include some functionality. So in the settings I set it up so that it only responds to touch at the lower portion and its function is to scroll. I can't remember which applications they were, but for some reason the scrolling did not work using the middle button (even on a mouse's wheel) but did work with the scroll on the trackpad. Only used the lower portion so won't accidently engage it. This freedom is definitely missed when having to work on public computers and letting go of the keyboard for every mouse function. Getting used to vim keybindings but want a solution for all applications and that's the red nub.
The problem was that they removed the trackpoint buttons without really providing an alternative. The T440 was a laptop with a terrible touchpad and a terrible trackpoint.
@@samull4946 They removed it as a first step to removing the trackpoint. They thought that if nobody will complain about missing buttons then nobody will complain about missing trackpoint and oh boy they was wrong and I don't mean wrong because people complained on r/thinkpad I mean actual clients. Big corporations are buying Thinkpads literally by shipping containers. Look on r/thinkpad couple weeks after Lenovo drops new version of Thinkpad T series, you will find dozens o photos from admins that received stacks of them. Trackpoint is actually useful tool in the industry and will be for years.
I owned a T460s, and I literally never used the trackpad physical buttons. Everything can be done by pushing in on the trackpad, or by taping to click.... I don't get why people still feel like they need physical buttons...
I love my trackpoint nubs, but I'll disagree with that statement depending on what application we are talking about, so I find it nice to have both options on a Thinkpad.
John Desper you’re right, the fact it is consistently present isn’t what makes it good. But it does kinda prove how popular the feature is. Ask anyone who uses a laptop on the go, in a car, or as a mobile workstation if they prefer touchpoint to touchpad and a startling amount will say yes. It is more convenient and so much more efficient.
@@johndesper9425 the point is that the guy reviews a thinkpad, yet hates the one feature that thinkpads are known for. It's like reviewing a macbook and hating the position of the command key.
@@turtlelore2 It's like hating an Apple product for the one thing they're consistently known for, charging excessively high prices. Just because something is the norm or is expected doesn't preclude it from criticism. If you see a Michael Bay film, you know there will be infantile humor, that doesn't mean you shouldn't lambast his films for it.
Alex the track point is a very important.. especially for engineers because we need to program panels at odd locations in which we have to rest the laptop on top of one hand and the track point becomes a blessing. That is why screen brightness and track point is important.. these laptops are made for professional work
As a scientist who often wears multiple layers of gloves I find trackpoint a necessity when in the lab since the trackpad doesn't always detect my gloved fingers
@@8lec_R The trackpoint is good for typists who want less wrist strain. That thumb method mentioned in the video doesn't work if you actually touch type, not to mention that you still need physical buttons as tap to click has to be disabled to be able to keep the wrists on the wrist rest.
@@griffin8062 2 fingers maybe? Honestly idk. It just pains me to see people saying that the trackpoint is better to use, period. In case all those who are saying that have forgotten 99.9% of the laptops don't have it which means that quite a bit of people don't like using it (me included). Sure, one can like using a trackpoint but it's just stupid to say that a trackpoint is better than a trackpad cuz it's honestly really subjective.
Alex, the TrackPoint is there to use when you're wearing gloves or have dirty hands. Your personal/imagined use case simply isn't compatible with the hands-on business laptop audience that the ThinkPad is for, and that's after they already idiotically removed half of the features which made the range great for business(PowerBridge, easily accessible RAM+storage+PCIe devices, etcetera). It would be better to review it with this in mind, instead of reviewing it as a lightweight sexy ultrabook for a writer. You don't review a van as if it were a Ferrari either.
Flavio Avato That's true and the decision is up to Lenovo. Either they want to hold onto the rabid Thinkpad gang that they have now, or they want to take their laptop brand in another direction. Personally, my guess is they're going to stick with what they got from IBM. They view it as some sort of brilliant formula that only enlightened Westerners could've thought of. I wish they would do the alternate.
@@campkira well thinkpad lineup has always been quite expensive and target group is enterprises. In that group it's still moderately priced on entry models.
The Trackpoint is there for a reason, don't like it don't buy it, there are plenty of Lenovo models. When popular people online try to change companies and make other people's life more miserable, why can't we all have options. Stop the unnecessary hate and complicating other people's life's because of ones subjective view. Vocal minority needs to be crushed because Alex wants it, who controls you ? Demons ? Leave people alone, they didn't do anything bad to you.
with that logic, we should be giving anti-vax (they're also a vocal minority) should be left alone to wreak havoc and feed on others in society. Well done einstein.
@@Drobbik Comparing people who just want to keep the option of having a trackpoint on the thinkpad line (while other non trackpoint lines made by Lenovo exist) to antivaxxers is one of the worst takes I have read in a long time
@@RFLCPTR you didn't read properly, it's just a comparison to something else that's outrageous and just a havoc. Trackpoint users are just a small population of people who want a product just for them bitch
@@RFLCPTR some people want the rugged nature of the thinkpad and the pretty good keyboard of it as well but doesn't like the nub? I like those both aspects of the thinkpad as well, BUT the rest of lenovo's lineup doesn't have those attributes.
"Funky mouse acceleration," most commonly is caused by hands dragging across the Trackpad. Disable that (Trackpoint and buttons are fine for me) and see if the problem persists. I speak from experience.
Why did LTT start reviewing laptops in a worse way than Verge? I like Alex on other videos but your Laptop reviews are so shallow and not up to LTT standards imo. You overlook a lot of points and complain about unimportant things. I am not a thinkpad fanboy, in fact I hate some of the characteristics of them. But having used 5 different laptops(including one thinkpad) last year, I can prepare a much more insightful “review” than this video. NOT UP TO LTT STANDARDS. And this goes for every LTT laptop video made last year. Even your sponsored ad videos are better than your Laptop reviews.
Wow I was wondering what this strange feeling was, until I got to this comment. It was that sh*tty feeling I feel when I see shallow reviews from the guys like the Verge. Who could have expected this to happen from LTT video. :P
The trackpoint is what makes a ThinkPad a ThinkPad. Lenovo also makes very high end models of the ideaPad for those who don't like the trackpoint.
if your work is using a laptop and gloves, lenovo is pretty much a monopoly.
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS We use it because it is objectively better as a mouse pointer. Scrolling is also easier and faster
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS Of course it can be objectively better. You do not need to move your hand from typing to mouse pointer...
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS Preference is one thing, but trackpoint is just better, if you don't need gestures. More precise movement, hardware click buttons and faster scrolling
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS i realize this is random reply quite late, but the main reason i use thinkpads is trackpoint and they keyboard. there's simply no competition, sadly.
85% off the time I use the trackpad on my Thinkpad. But when I'm cramped on a bus or plane, or have it on my knees the trackpoint is a God send. Lenovo... Don't remove it. Options with this little downside are always better. But also make your trackpads better
agreed.
I sometimes have to work outside (robotics stuff) and in the winter I can wear gloves and still use the mouse thanks to the TrackPoint while the other people have their hands freezing in the cold because gloves don't work with the TouchPad (: yeah I know there are touch gloves, but ones that work well are expensive and in any case I tried both solutions and the TrackPoint is just better and more precise
People who don't use the track point don't get it
agree. right now I have it on one of my legs and having that red nub makes a difference when I need to do fine movement. That and the easy access to the dedicated page down button makes it a please to read or scroll down a lot of text (vs spacebar)
I'm actually offended by this dude disrespecting the trackpoint
I would never buy a laptop without a atrack point
There is a ThinkBook for that.
If someone doesn't want the TrackPoint then get an Acer but the dedicated ThinkPad lovers will always buy the Thinkpad because they love the Trackpoint.
Muga_d_biker acer is the worst brand I have EVER seen. They have absolutely the worst build quality ever! I want Acer to burn in hell.
@@masterkamen371 Never had an Acer but from your comment, I can just imagine how bad they are.
trackpoint - necessary for any user that will be gloved (medical, chemical, outdoor/cold-weather). great review though.
good point, never crossed my mind.
Also one of the best ways to even moderately use cad software on laptops without carrying mouse all the time with you
I'm not a big fan myself, but a lot of people who didn't grow up with laptops have trouble with actually touching the trackpad. The nipple might be in the way for our generation, but there are a lot of boomers and GenXers who can barely use a laptop without turning the trackpad off.
I played a ton of Moorhuhn (look it up) on an IBM Thinkpad that was owned by my mother's friend back in the day. We even had family competitions. Only game my mother played. The trackpoint is pretty great and always a plus to have.
Not only does this exact trackpad work fine wearing latex or nitrile gloves but no chemistry or medical practitioner should be using their laptop with gloves on.
Most safety procedures require you to take them off before touching basically anything you use without gloves.
"Lenovo should make a laptop without the Trackpoint" says the guy who never heard about Lenovo IdeaPad or Lenovo ThinkBook. Seriously, it's not like Lenovo doesn't give you choices.
People who buy ThinkPads like them just as they are. Don't screw us over...
Well said.
My gf have a 720s IdeaPad. Extreme amount of problems.
I have a Thinkpad and I don't like the red nip - to be honest.
Totally agree
The ThinkBook is pretty much what he'd want
One time I unintentionally deactivated the trackpad on my Thinkpad and it took me about a week to notice it because I use the trackpoint only
I always intentionally deactivate the trackpad since it gets rid of palm interference better than any software.
bingo
The Thinkpad community will hunt this guy down for the *MAJOR DISRESPECT*
I agree.
He will burn for what he said about the trackpoint
burn this heretic....
Thinkpad community might be smaller than Apple community, they are WAY more fervent in heretic hunting though.
Unsubscribed.
Well Lenovo did remove the track point buttons, and it was not well received, so they brought it back. The track point is also useful in places where you need the precision of an external mouse, but don't have space for one.
Also it's just great for using keyboard shortcuts while using the mouse. You have your hands right on the keys all the time and have so much control. I'm using my browser almost entirely with shortcuts now instead of the mouse, which makes me much faster than using the mouse to do everything.
I have one ThinkPad without dedicated buttons.. and it is really bad to use.. compared to the "normal" version
@@TheSengard If it's one of the T440 models, then the track pad can be replaced with one from a T540 that has the dedicated buttons. Did it to mine and could never go back.
And you can do some CAD with it, too. That's nearly impossible with a trackpad.
Yup. I fitted a W541 TrackPad to my T540p just to get them back.
The trackpoint is what people buy the thinkpads for, beacuse theyre used in medical settings, when they wear nitrile gloves, touchpads dont work.
Dude... just because u cannot use the trackpoint doesn't make it useless. This is the only reason why I pretty much fully loaded an Lenovo X1 extreme.
Also, learn to touch type. I get RSI just looking at his pinkies hovering like drones over the keyboard.
@@JeanPhilippeBernardy That might be why he found the Trackpoint to be in the way. I have not hit it by accident once.
@@pederhsx Same on all 3 of the Thinkpad models I own, which are an X120e, X131e, and X140e, and I have nerve damage in my left arm/hand from an accident as a kid that broke my arm, and it cause my arm to jump/pop/shake at random due to nerve damage, and again I've never hit the trackpoint like he does.
@mikes gt Lenovo tried that a few years ago, and there core user base got so pissed, they reversed their decision, and put it back, so it's not going away anytime soon.
Jesus, did he seriously suggest to remove the trackpoint?? That's the best thing about ThinkPads...
Yep apparently, Alex is a newb xD Because he doesn't even realize you can be faster and more precise with the trackpoint if learnt, and that's a pretty awesome feature to have.
As someone who hates thinkpads, I agree that removing it would be a bad business decision
I bought a T420 years ago, and thought the trackpoint was stupid. Didn't use it for the longest time. Then out of the blue, I told myself that I would try using it for at least a week, to see if it's better. Years later, and I might as well just remove the touchpad, because the trackpoint is the bomb diggity.
The funniest thing, is how amazing it is in gaming. People don't understand. You literally have a joystick in the middle of the keyboard. Playing something like World of Warcraft, is somewhere in-between a mouse, and a touchpad. Highly usable.
If lenovo dropped the trackpoint what the hell would all of the addicted users (including me) go for a new laptop?
However i believe it should be possible to make a larger replacement trackpad (without the mousekeys) as an option
Especialy when you can turn ogf red nipple in BIOS.
"Remove trackpoint and enlarge trackpad" - excuse me wtf
Yeah, like Lenovo did with the T440 ....and we all know how that went ;-)
They could at least use a different material for the trackpad itself and even find some ways to perhaps enlarge it slightly (maybe making the trackpoint buttons above the trackpad slightly smaller? spitballing here). There's definitely room for improvement.
But then I'd just argue, if you're not a fan of the trackpoint/trackpoint buttons above the trackpad, go for the C940. Kind of solves all the issues.
I disabled the trackpad on all my thinkpads.
Yes the T440 did that , and was such a dismal laptop
Anonoz Chong he should just buy almost every other laptop and it Will be gone... 🤬
That's it. I'm out of here. Don't diss the nipple mouse. It is actually super handy.
I still use the one on the latitude E7440
@@melvinharris7859 let me one-up you. I've been using Thinkpad for 4 years and almost always disable the Trackpad :P
What is used for?
For gaming, for working, for scientific research.
I find the trackpoint really useful for word processing and 3D CAD drawing since I don't have to reach for the trackpad or a mouse
You know what you could do? Disable the trackpoint via software. Instead of advocating for removing a feature that many love and so few laptops have to begin with.
Yeah, instead of advocation for months of design changes and just take a minute to open the settings.
Or Lenovo could sell versions with and without the track point
LTT to Apple: “Why you get rid of things people like such as headphone jack and type A port?
LTT to Lenovo: “Screw the people that like the hardware buttons and the mouse nipple. If consumers get upset don’t listen to them.”
Really guys?
You see, headphone jack and the mouse nipple are two completely different things.
No mouse nipple? Just use a trackpad/regular mouse.
No headphone jack? You need to buy eighter a Bluetooth headphones, or dongle you will have to carry around with you anytime you want to listen to some music...
So yeah, really...
BT headphones is less of a mess than having to carry around an extra mouse...
Also nipple > trackpad by 1293129392x
@@SCHTRAM BRUH... Who the fucc said you need a mouse to use a laptop. The fooken track pad? Hello?
@@oliestarkyshitposting5647 The trackpad is shit. The nipple works better.
@@oliestarkyshitposting5647 you attach a dongle to a headphone jack and it's there
wear some heavy duty gloves, then use the track pad, and then use the red dot... you now know why they still have it.
Finally a good reason to use it!
I never understood why it's not only enjoyed, but fought over. Thank you sir.
Don't you dare critisize the red mouse dot!
I always used to pop them on and off all the time lol
My wife calls them the clit mouse
What's the point of that red mouse dot? Any idea?
@@moomoo5537 It's like using the trackpad but much nicer.
@@moomoo5537 Because when you get used to it, it's faster, more precise and more comfortable than touchpad.
This guy doesn't get it. I really hope Lenovo doesn't remove the trackpoint, ever.
I could never ever get the sensitivity on my T460s to feel right. It's always too fast or too slow.
Sorry, but like the headphone jack, I think it's time for the trackpoint to go.
Love the point
@@AustinRoss I agree with the trackpoint going(not needed with modern good trackpads IMO) but why would you ever choose to go without the headphone jack?
I suppose you could argue that a trackpoint is better than a bad trackpad but on a $2K laptop, shouldn't the trackpad be up to the job?
Midknight0122 I am the opposite lose the Jack keep the Track.
@@SEVENTEENPOINT1 or, y'know, keep both!
Linus in the Thinkpad X1 Carbon Video: Why is my Thinkpad not a Macbook
Alex in this video: Why is my Thinkpad not a Surface
Next up why is my Thinkpad not a chromebook
Why is my Thinkpad not a thinkpad
@@replikvltyoutube3727 that last one was louis rossmans thing. i didn't really get the vibe that anyone at lmg gets why people like or used to like thinkpads.
@@aerispalm6523 Anthony probably gets it.
Hey didn't expect you here 😂
Whatsup Legend
Once you start using the Trackpoint, you can never go back. One of the few reasons I'll always pick up a ThinkPad.
100% true!
Yes, and the trackpad is always there for lazy mouse movements as well
I tried that on my former laptop but then switched to a MacBook solely for the huge trackpad. I do a lot of surfing and work with about all the tabs copying pasting etc. Some don’t really have my fingers on the keyboard all the time.
2:24
Do you really use your index finger to hit the space bar? Your thumb is already right there....
Quite disturbing to watch.
Lmfao just noticed that, and that idiot is the one giving us advice about keyboard ergonomics
Well he says using the thumb to use the touch pad counts as staying on the keyboard neglecting the fact the trackpad isn't within the keyboards bounds and he has moved his thumb off the spacebar as it is supposed to be and is definitely outside the keyboard to use the trackpad.
lmao, no wonders he keeps hitting the trackpoint with the index finger if he keeps moving it around to reach the spacebar
Ltt staff would rather shill for apple than prevent RSI's. Fuck the trackpoint, use your mouse with a large trackpad to fuck up your bones while you are forced to type with your palms up which will fuck with your hands in a thousand different ways.
@@ConquerorAR Because he would rather use his thumb to move the cursor using the trackpad. This review is terrible...
The nipple mouse is the best part of this product!
Exact!
Clit mouse
Still rocking my T420 and i basically only use the trackpoint as it's rarely used on a desk...
Nipple mouse users unite!
I can't stand it, but I fully understand that's one of the design choices that makes this stand out from the crowd. Sounds quite delirious to suggest removing one of it's key selling points. Each to their own of course, but seems like quite blind market insight. I'd rather suggest a keyboard alternative at checkout customization for those who's interested in the machine with a more standard keyboard.
Had to stop when he asked lenovo to get rid of the trackpoint. I'm sorry, but this forced me to dislike. A thinkpad isn't a thinkpad without the trackpoint, period.
Trackpoints suck
They dont suck
@@RadioNulThen don't use them, why does it affect you whether or not they're kept
Good luck using trackpad during commisioning, wearing gloves, standing in the middle of boilerhouse when you optimize the installation and make corrections to the PLC. People working in the power industry know what I'm talking about.
TrackPoint 4 Life!
ThinkPad 4 Life!
You work at PGE?
Yes. Plant engineers need this
Haan bhai par ye chutiye Ko Ko samjhaye ab ye
Your so right. It just doesn't happen
even for casual uses the trackpoint is nice to use for small pointer correction, basicaly upgrafing your accuracy when doing photo editing on the go.
I buy a ThinkPad because it's a ThinkPad, with its ThinkPad features, not an acer... I love the trackpoint!
*mouse nipple
Trackpoint is the best way to navigate!
ah....so the only actual ThinkPad feature is the trackpoint? Good to know :P
Alexandre Couture nostalgia wankers are hard to satisfy.
Unfortunately Alex is wrong, the trackpoint is the best integrated mouse option for a business style laptop, since Toshiba no longer includes a side mounted, detachable, track ball system. Thank you Lenovo for keep it around. But if you are going to do any serious mouse based activities you are still better off having an actual external mouse.
Oh man, thanks for reminding me about those trackballs. Things were wacky.
I agree, they were strange, and didn't work for lefties.
Wow I feel like you reached deep inside my subconscious and pulled that memory out... I'm honestly kinda glad trackballs died though.
@@user-ii8dz4vu7n trackballs aren't dead, dude.
Wow... I remember using a trackball mouse for my windows 98 and 2000 desktops when I was younger. That's actually how I played all my games up until XP.
The Trackpoint Is by far the best choice on a laptop, it's simply more ergonomical and practical to use. And, on top of that, it's characteristic!
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Since I reintroduced myself to the thinkpad lineup with a p1 gen 2, I have found that I like to use both the touchpad and trackpoint on a daily basis. And honestly for any engineer that does Solid-works or AutoCAD on the go, the trackpoint is the only alternative to a mouse due to the dedicated middle click button
@@melvinharris7859 iToddler detected
Lenovo has laptops without trackpoint, they call it Ideapad.
Not gonna lie, this made me giggle
And they are shitty
@@spell105 badidea
The ideapads are not comparable to the thinkpads
They can't be compared with the Thinkpads. They are relatively low quality but with excellent prices.
Alex, YOU'RE WRONG. Lenovo DON'T LISTEN TO THIS FOOL!
Trackpoint = Better than Trackpad for precision and speed. Also, the fact that he couldn't even think to just remove the trackpoint cap is kind of sad.
Lenovo doesn't even know how to use the Trackpoint. Have you ever seen how they use it in some of their own videos? That's what led them to removing the physical buttons above the Trackpad (e.g. the T440)---and they got spanked by the negative feedback.
The trackpiont is absolutely amazing, especially for scrolling in any direction.
Also the buttens in combination with the touchpad make it more comfortable to move windows or files.
Even if you don´t use it, it is the first time I hear, that somebody get in conflict with it while typing.
For a lot of people the red dot is actually the main selling point. When you see that Laptop next to another one noone will care about 1-2% better performance or thermals.
All my laptops have a trackpoint. And all of them have the stupid touchpad disabled.
I use both depending on the situation since my Elitebook has a very nice and responsive glass top touchpad, but no way I'm giving up on the trackpoint.
For me my track point is disabled due to hardware damage to the ribbon cable. And my track pad still worked just fine (I also upgraded the track pad driver to a driver for Lenovo laptops).
Trackpoint is useful for two reasons:
It + middle key gives you easy infinite scrolling
Great for games that use a joystick-style input bound to a mouse, pushing the nub in a direction sends the game constant directional input. I legitimately play games some games like this :)
Totally agree.
Alex, don't touch my nipple, seriously. The last thing that lenovo did not screw up yet is the trackpoint. Like listen to yourself when you say that it's bold to be like everyone else. I thought you guys are playing for a diverse and good market... If everyone does the same thing... My early thinkpads never needed touchpads before you cryboys made them put it on every of my beloved Xs at the expense of the good keyboard! I guess you cannot stop there. Low and sad.
except that the trackpoint is pretty much a tiny analog stick, and those things suck so hard for aiming that games have a built-in aimbot cheat called "aim assist"
@@ajddavid452 Analog sticks are hard to use with a light touch, pointing sticks are more subtle, if not as good as a mouse
@@1fareast14 so? that's not what I was talking about, fundamentally speaking a trackpoint is essentially just a tiny analog stick
Trackpoint is not the best when you use the laptop on the desk. Its unbeatable when the laptop is in your hand...
When on site nothing beats the point with gloves
It's still the most precise and comfortable thing even when compared to apple trackpads. And, well, if you are on the desk and don't have a mouse, you're doing something wrong.
Bálint Fekete what about on your lap
What percentage of time do you spend walking around while simultaneously moving the cursor, compared to using it while it's on a desk?
dont move around and seat down and work properly people
The trackpoint argument makes it feel like you took 5 minutes to write the script.
tbf that's 3 minutes longer than they usually take.
"Neuter a massive part of your brand identity and remove a feature that a massive portion of your core userbase loves, because I keep hitting it, despite the fact it can be disabled in BIOS or just have the cap removed completely"
I do agree that the trackpads aren't as good as other competitors, and should be improved for those that like them, but there is no reason to get rid of the TrackPoint.
I competely agree with him. Remove those stupid buttons above the trackpad and give us a bigger one. Otherwise I'm not interested in nipples enough to ignore the 16:9 display.
"Lmayo thinkpad suck cuz trackpoint Lenovo make teh thinkpad more like a shitty ass MacBook"
Your problems with accidentally hitting the Trackpoint could have something to do with incorrect typing technique. 2:20
That's the only explanation I can come up with, too, because I'm also a touch typist, and I NEVER hit the trackpoint! LMAO!
I agree. You'll never see me cross over the middle of the keyboard to reach a G or H, and B is far enough below the trackpoint.
I type fairly decent at 60 - 75 WPM when I'm not distracted by something else, and most would say I have an odd style, but with my 3 Thinkpads, an X120e, X131e, and X140e I've never hit the trackpoint, unless it's purpose to use thing when I'm mobile, and can't use a mouse, or forgot to pack my mouse.
Haha. Had the same thought. Space bar with your index finger? Wtf?
THIS!
who tf uses index finger to press on a spacebar?!
Alex dissappoints this time.
Finally some ThinkPad love on this channel!
Edit: Nevermind... reached the nipple complaints... Spend a day using it and you will never use a trackpad!
Spent a solid 8 years using it, AND NOPE, the nipple is absolutely useless
Yep, agreed!
Yeah, they pretty much disrespected the ThinkPad by saying that the TrackPoint should be removed. They didn't even bother to understand why is it that the TrackPoint is there.
@@supra107 they did. Maybe you didn't like the idea
@@8lec_R I hardly ever used it. Also I had broke the ribbon cable to it unintentionally. So I will never miss it.
"Thumb down" for suggesting removing trackpoint!!
I competely agree with him. Remove those stupid buttons above the trackpad and give us a bigger one. Otherwise I'm not interested in nipples enough to ignore the 16:9 display.
@@utubekullanicisi there's the Ideapad and Yoga for that. The Thinkpad is supposed to carter to specific people. Those who don't want it can buy the IdeaPad
Legit Plays Fair enough. I just don’t see the need for a nipple. It’s kinda like the Galaxy Note series, it’s cool to have a stylus but you could jam a bigger battery in there.
@@utubekullanicisi Don't buy a ThinkPad then.
@@utubekullanicisi There are people that only buy thinkpad because of the trackpoint (incl. me). I assume Lenovo knows how big that userbase actually is and that's why they keep it. Even in the comments here you can see that the userbase is quite large for the trackpoint. I even use it on my normal pc and bought the lenovo compact keyboard. I wish they would make proper keyboards with a trackpoint again.
I want a Thinkpad BECAUSE of the nipplemouse.
Main reason I only buy thinkpads. Nipple mouse or a real mouse - track pads suck.
Dells have the nub...
@@anthonyfn my mom has a nub but they be using the Thinkpad still bruh
#FreetheNipple
#FortheNippleMouse
Thinkpad = ❤️
Red dot = usefull af
DONT REMOVE IT
This is not vocal minority, most people I know buy Thinkpads for the trackpoint and its convenience.
You simply can't use it and you don't understand it's purpose. Stick to Surface or MacBook and keep on swiping...
Disable the track point instead of hating on it. Its a feature I wish that more laptops had.
But it also disables the track pad and mouse buttons on the on my t470p, all off or all on unfortunately
@@sxdev there's the other option of just pulling the nipple off, just be careful not to lose it or it's $8.79 for 10 direct from lenovo if you ever want it back.
Gotta love that the name of the guy preaching the virtues of the track point is literally ignorance.
you can disable them individually in the bios.
@@sxdev that sucks
you don't get the track point dude, it's the reason why I only buy lenovo
Agreed, disliked this vid because of this DISRESPECT to the great ThinkNipple
Exactly! I cringed the last time when ltt renewed an X1 Carbon, which also happens to be my daily laptop when they talked about the nipple without understanding the point of it.
Yeah, it's litterally the reason why I'm not going to buy any other laptop for university than a Thinkpad. I even bought the USB Thinkpad to use with my main PC :D.
ew it's awful to use i never use it
I rock an L470 for this very reason, feels closest to a mouse without getting one out the bag. Would rather point and click, than dragging icons and text all over the screen! Yes, I am a gorilla... ;)
Reviewers like these do not represent majority of thinkpad users. He is looking for a macbook replacement.
Gotta join the vocal majority here: I exclusively use the trackpoint when not using a mouse. It's the perfect option for integrated pointer control in my experience.
Indeed in many cases I'll use it instead of a mouse in fact!
me too. #trackpoint
Your ancient I/O is ugly and bothersome for the overwhelming majority of users who would rather use the integrated trackpad.
I disable the trackpad in the bios/uefi and rely solely on the Trackpoint when I am not using a mouse with the thinkpad.
It's the best way to scroll through spreadsheets and large documents, once you get used to it (so like after an hour) it becomes so much better than trackpads
I'd like to have a modern ThinkPad with a trackpoint, but without a trackpad.
And loose the camera too. I'd rather have an external webcam for those rare occasions.
There are Thinkbooks, ideapads and other laptop from other brands you just need to search better
@@smallfoot5689 reading ain't your strength is it?
Yes! Keep the TRACKPOINT! Remove the trackpad!
would be an instant purchase for me, the x200 series had this and it was the bomb. trackpads are made for being disabled in bios day #1 anyway, remove it please lenovo!
The Lenovo ThinkPads we get for our customers are by far my favorite to work on. Management has been getting the 6th gen X1 carbons and everything about them just feels nice while not being stupid or flashy. Great line of laptops.
The track point is the only reason I use ThinkPad. If Lenovo would take away the track point, there would be no reason to buy this thing.
Dell also has it.
@@josedavidgarfiasaznar9541 E6320 gang
Alex - the day Lenovo will remove the trackpoint, is the day that Lenovo will lose some serious corporate sales.
Read: the track point is not going away, any time soon, and it's there already since 1992!
Yep! Especially since they tried that once, and people threw such a fit, they've kept it ever since! lol.
@@shash6799 r/wooooosh
@@7Write4This9Heart7 I hope it never goes away, and even though I don't always use it on my X120e, X131e, and X140e, it's nice to have when mobile, and can't use my mouse, or I forgot to pack my mouse in my laptop bag.
Lenovo released the _40 series without buttons for trackpad users. Didn't turn out so well. I ended up replacing my touchpad to get one with buttons.
same here, upgraded my X240 with keyboard from 250...
yep. they tried "something new" in 2014, and flop. if you wan't "something new" just don't buy laptop that doesn't changed it looks for decades (yes, it's plural).
@Sotha42's-comment/post "Lenovo released the _40 series without buttons for trackpad users. Didn't turn out so well. I ended up replacing my touchpad to get one with buttons":
Actually that was Lenovo's first-attempt at copying Apple [and their Macbook-Air] (ie. Getting-rid of the dedicated left-&-right-click mouse-buttons & moving them "under" the touchpad when you already -- ever-since touchpad-technology was invented -- could "tap" on the touchpad to register a left-click). They've been doing it slowly-&-subtly ever since.
He sound so freakin sad and bored, like some project floped and Linus made him push out a laptop review.
MRfarbyLP probably Linus punishing him for buying all that expensive machine shop equipment yet not using it etc.
"Vocal Minority" as all the comments in this video are complaining about you urging to remove it.
Thinkpads have always been built specifically for this "vocal minority". They're also pretty much the only option for us. People with different priorities have other options they can choose, we don't. So I think it's quite understandable that people become a little defensive.
Why would the Vocal Majority bother commenting something they agree with him? Seems pretty redundant if they do.
@@Mr_Tralala The nonvocal* majority. But I agree, it's called a vocal minority because they go out of their way to be heard and misrepresent the actual number of people who are in support or not.
@@ghostD0C It really is the only option.
Someone at work has a modern Dell with a nipple. It is nowhere near as nice as ThinkPad's.
@@vladutcornel I was forced to get a Dell when working in a government lab. Their nipple is quite inferior to the Trackpoint.
If Lenovo removes the trackpoint, i wont buy another thinkpad.
You will.. it will just be a old thinkpad.
You're lying, you'll buy an old thinkpad instead
Meet thinkbook. Thinkpad’s cousin no one asked for
They did on the 11e series ThinkPads and ThinkPad Chromebooks.
Why does Alex speak like he's being held in a gunpoint.
its strange because its not america
Chinese goverment is spying on him
He probably is, Linus has a water gun in the background. LOL
Yah his head doesn't move more that 1cm throughout the vid
Because that's exactly what's happening.
THE TRACKPOINT IS LITERALLY THE ONLY REASON TO BUY A THINKPAD THESE DAYS
yep 100% agreed
@meliohe! Thinkpad quality is very good but its too expensive. I buy them used never had any problems.
mostly agree except for the fact that keyboard layout is still very practical. How many of us use the opposite shift/ctrl key ie right ctrl v or right shift A. If youre using emacs or typing alot this is ergonimic blessing. Add that the fact you can easily use this on your lap (unlike the surface books series and surface pros) its a complete package. Attaching a mouse distroy the purpose of having the red nub
What about WWAN?
Love trackpoint
6:21 The Surface Laptop aspect ratio is 3:2, not 4:3
Alex's thumb-touchpad method is a bit uncomfortable to me
also not even a good idea, stretching your hand like that all the time can cause carpal tunnel.
Agreed, the trackpoint is great if you want a comfortable experience.
My thumb always get rejected by the palm rejection system.
Vynncent Murphy how about the red nipple?
Tried it and it already hurts after 10 seconds
dude if you want a thinkpad without all those "AGING features" like trackpoint, ethernet port, and USB-A...
BUY AN IDEA PAD
When I sit on a packed train or full airplane, the track pad requires too much arm movement, hence why I adore the precision of the trackpoint
Absolutely true.
this red poitner is the most useful think about those laptops, you have to be crazy to not realize that!
True
Yeah I use it uh....
a lot...
He's too stoned to realize that.
they should remove the trackpad, not the nub.
IBM had some models like this back in the days, but it feels like a large empty area, a bit weird
@@oxodao could put speakers over there
@@oxodao not necessarily, I have X200T without trackpad and thanks to the 7 row keyboard it has decent spacing.
Remove the trackpad, and then being back the 7 row layout so the screen dimensions are still the same without a massive empty area.
@@oxodao Could put a second screen across the bottom bar. Then you can say it has a super large touchpad just it sucks at being a touchpad even worse so just use a mouse or the trackpoint.
I love Thinkpad laptops FOR the red nub! I am quite used to how it works compared to most if not all trackpads.
The Trackpoint is the best thing you can have on a laptop. I hate touchpads. Together with the middle mouse button the trackpoint is very functional. But you have to disable the automatic left click when tapping on the trackpoint. I am so much faster with that thing. Even scrolling while holding the middle mouse button is much easier and you have to move your hands not a single centimeter.
Today I discovered the "middle mouse button" isn't actually the middle mouse button when I tried to pan the view in Blender with Shift+LMB. Was very disappointed to have to enable "emulate 3 button mouse" in the preferences :/
That reminds me, I need to disable the trackpad in the BIOS.
I did that and it's the best palm rejection you can have :D
Never going back until Trackpads will somehow get insanely better in terms of accuracy and ease of use
Mine isnt even plugged in
@@randomaccessbrains whoa this is some next level stuff! did you open up the laptop and disconnected the trackpad from the motherboard?
@@Fullmoonlightt i forgot to plug it back in after changing out my cpu and just haven't bothered really
@@LeoDDJ Same. Though my X61 doesnt need that. :)
When using a laptop on my lap (in public transport for example), I only use the trackpoint, otherwise my wrist is in an awkward position and that's uncomfortable.
TRACK POINT ISNT A MINORITY!
Amittedly i use both, but find the nippe more useful since a touchpad usually requires multiple swipes or two fingers.
I agree that it should be an option to have it or not, and make 1080p the default, though the lower option might still come in handy for people that need long battery life.
Also you can disable the nipple in windows.
There's nothing I hate more than using a trackpad for anything but emergencies. The trackpoint is wonderful and I'm offended on a spiritual level.
they tried removing the trackpoint... look how that turned out for them
@@melvinharris7859 Does 20 count to you as "old"?
@@melvinharris7859 👍
@@melvinharris7859 Top 10 redemption stories.
@@melvinharris7859 Does 23 count to you as "Old"?
NO! Get away from the track point! It's the best thing in my T430!
T430 crew
+1 to t430 gang. Though TN displays, you know, sucks. Replaced mine with panel from some Alienware- a bit better but anyway sucks.
I still have T61. I like the keyboard.
@@serhiirudenko6183 I believe their is a mod where you can install a t440s 1080p IPS display in t430s
w520 gang love me good ol quad core and it's 10+ lb weight TOTALLY doesn't render it's portability restricting at all :/
Are we gonna tell this company to remove a feature many buy the damn thinkpad brand for instead of adding a disable toggle?
i mean you can just disable it at a driver level...
Removing the trackpoint? What's next, HEADPHONE JACKS?!?!?!?!
those are a whole lot of complaints for a laptop you are "tempted" by.
...and the boundless enthusiasm!
no nipple no lenovo - this is actually the only argument i´m using only those laptops.
If you don't like the TrackPoint but really want a ThinkPad, get an X240, which doesn't have physical TrackPoint buttons (and the TrackPoint cap can be pulled off). You don't need the latest laptop to browse the web and write Word documents.
Sent from my ThinkPad T440s (bigger version of X240) with retro-fitted real trackpoint buttons
Trackpoint is better than thumb on trackpad. Less carpal tunnel. Sorry not sorry.
I only buy Thinkpads, BECAUSE of the trackpoint.
"bUt BiGgEr TrAcKpAdS!", cried out Alex.
Bigger trackpads, the most retarded feature of the modern laptop. Want to type like a sane person? Closing app go brrrr
If you take away the TrackPoint, you take away one of the unique selling points of the device. Lenovo wouldn't do it.
One of the most compelling reasons to buy a thinkpad is that little nipple, it makes sense in a lot of scenarios, mostly when you are working on something on the go. DON'T REMOVE IT, is the think I most love about the computer
Main reason for me to stick with Thinkpads is the trackpoint, hard to find a replacement notebook due to this feature. Not sure about other, but I keep my trackpad disabled and only use the trackpoint. With the trackpoint, I'm able to keep my fingers on the keypad all the time, you'll know once you get used to it.
? Are this laptop useful
And how many of time do you
use it?? l
@@sweetmoon9074 I have a X201i and a T450s. Might upgrade soon though.
Got a T420 here and absolutely agree. Tried the trackpoint for a week and was convinced. However, I don't fully disable the trackpad. Since I'm stuck with it I thought I will include some functionality. So in the settings I set it up so that it only responds to touch at the lower portion and its function is to scroll. I can't remember which applications they were, but for some reason the scrolling did not work using the middle button (even on a mouse's wheel) but did work with the scroll on the trackpad. Only used the lower portion so won't accidently engage it. This freedom is definitely missed when having to work on public computers and letting go of the keyboard for every mouse function. Getting used to vim keybindings but want a solution for all applications and that's the red nub.
3:34 yeah just like when they removed the dedicated trackpad buttons in the T440 series, because that went well...
The problem was that they removed the trackpoint buttons without really providing an alternative. The T440 was a laptop with a terrible touchpad and a terrible trackpoint.
@@samull4946 i daily drive a t431s, with the same problem. So frustrating!
@@samull4946 They removed it as a first step to removing the trackpoint. They thought that if nobody will complain about missing buttons then nobody will complain about missing trackpoint and oh boy they was wrong and I don't mean wrong because people complained on r/thinkpad I mean actual clients. Big corporations are buying Thinkpads literally by shipping containers. Look on r/thinkpad couple weeks after Lenovo drops new version of Thinkpad T series, you will find dozens o photos from admins that received stacks of them. Trackpoint is actually useful tool in the industry and will be for years.
I daily drive a T440s and have no complaints about the trackpad/mouse “buttons”
I owned a T460s, and I literally never used the trackpad physical buttons. Everything can be done by pushing in on the trackpad, or by taping to click.... I don't get why people still feel like they need physical buttons...
I love the trackpoint, for the better accuracy and speed than the touchpad.
I love my trackpoint nubs, but I'll disagree with that statement depending on what application we are talking about, so I find it nice to have both options on a Thinkpad.
? Are you still having this laptop
? If you have it _is it useful
used trackpoint for a year now and had a great time with it.
and Alex make me understand how it felt like to be a raging Mac-Fanboi
thinkpad series always have the trackpoint as their consistent feature
*reviews thinkpad*
"WHY IS THIS TRACKPOINT HERE"
Just because it's a "consistent feature" doesn't make it inherently good.
John Desper you’re right, the fact it is consistently present isn’t what makes it good. But it does kinda prove how popular the feature is. Ask anyone who uses a laptop on the go, in a car, or as a mobile workstation if they prefer touchpoint to touchpad and a startling amount will say yes. It is more convenient and so much more efficient.
@@johndesper9425 the point is that the guy reviews a thinkpad, yet hates the one feature that thinkpads are known for. It's like reviewing a macbook and hating the position of the command key.
@@turtlelore2 It's like hating an Apple product for the one thing they're consistently known for, charging excessively high prices. Just because something is the norm or is expected doesn't preclude it from criticism. If you see a Michael Bay film, you know there will be infantile humor, that doesn't mean you shouldn't lambast his films for it.
@@johndesper9425 It actually is inherently good though. You just have to be able to use it.
I laughed when you revealed your revolutionary thumb technique. You even had a smug face while doing it.
Track point is life.
Alex the track point is a very important.. especially for engineers because we need to program panels at odd locations in which we have to rest the laptop on top of one hand and the track point becomes a blessing. That is why screen brightness and track point is important.. these laptops are made for professional work
TrackPoint is the only reason why lenovo is still in the laptop business....
As a scientist who often wears multiple layers of gloves I find trackpoint a necessity when in the lab since the trackpad doesn't always detect my gloved fingers
1st legit reason to keep the trackpoint.
Everyone else is just saying how the trackpoint is better cuz none of them know how to use a trackpad
@@8lec_R I used a trackpad for years before I switched to a trackpoint.. is there some special way to use a trackpad I am missing?
@@8lec_R The trackpoint is good for typists who want less wrist strain. That thumb method mentioned in the video doesn't work if you actually touch type, not to mention that you still need physical buttons as tap to click has to be disabled to be able to keep the wrists on the wrist rest.
@@griffin8062 2 fingers maybe? Honestly idk. It just pains me to see people saying that the trackpoint is better to use, period.
In case all those who are saying that have forgotten 99.9% of the laptops don't have it which means that quite a bit of people don't like using it (me included). Sure, one can like using a trackpoint but it's just stupid to say that a trackpoint is better than a trackpad cuz it's honestly really subjective.
Alex, the TrackPoint is there to use when you're wearing gloves or have dirty hands. Your personal/imagined use case simply isn't compatible with the hands-on business laptop audience that the ThinkPad is for, and that's after they already idiotically removed half of the features which made the range great for business(PowerBridge, easily accessible RAM+storage+PCIe devices, etcetera). It would be better to review it with this in mind, instead of reviewing it as a lightweight sexy ultrabook for a writer. You don't review a van as if it were a Ferrari either.
TRACKPOINT BUTTON IS TOO GOOD TO BE REMOVED DON'T YOU DARE CRITIZE IT XD
If they remove the trackpoint, i wont buy another thinkpad
Flavio Avato that maybe true, but the argument in the video is that lots more people would buy it.
XalphYT but it would piss off all the longtime thinkpad customers
Flavio Avato That's true and the decision is up to Lenovo. Either they want to hold onto the rabid Thinkpad gang that they have now, or they want to take their laptop brand in another direction. Personally, my guess is they're going to stick with what they got from IBM. They view it as some sort of brilliant formula that only enlightened Westerners could've thought of. I wish they would do the alternate.
1400 for thinkpad.... price gone too high....
@@campkira well thinkpad lineup has always been quite expensive and target group is enterprises. In that group it's still moderately priced on entry models.
The Trackpoint is there for a reason, don't like it don't buy it, there are plenty of Lenovo models.
When popular people online try to change companies and make other people's life more miserable, why can't we all have options.
Stop the unnecessary hate and complicating other people's life's because of ones subjective view.
Vocal minority needs to be crushed because Alex wants it, who controls you ? Demons ?
Leave people alone, they didn't do anything bad to you.
with that logic, we should be giving anti-vax (they're also a vocal minority) should be left alone to wreak havoc and feed on others in society. Well done einstein.
@@Drobbik Comparing people who just want to keep the option of having a trackpoint on the thinkpad line (while other non trackpoint lines made by Lenovo exist) to antivaxxers is one of the worst takes I have read in a long time
@@RFLCPTR you didn't read properly, it's just a comparison to something else that's outrageous and just a havoc. Trackpoint users are just a small population of people who want a product just for them bitch
@@Drobbik You do know Thinkbooks and Ideapads exist, right? Its about keeping the choice around
@@RFLCPTR some people want the rugged nature of the thinkpad and the pretty good keyboard of it as well but doesn't like the nub? I like those both aspects of the thinkpad as well, BUT the rest of lenovo's lineup doesn't have those attributes.
I have my trackpad disabled from the BIOS. Trackpoint forever.
But I agree about the screen size comment.
MS Surface: CPU throttling, WIFI issues, Battery problems? You don't deserve a ThinkPad.
this video is sponsored by microsoft
"Just a vocal minority". Look at the comments and see who is commenting.
just a vocal minority, that's where the 'vocal' goes.
The ThinkPad isn't for you Alex, you want something more modern.
Test the new Thinkbook 13s it's amazing!
Try using your laptop touchpad while standing. Trackpoint for life (y)
And also in the cramped seats on a public bus or airline "economy class" seats…
It also works really well for MMO gaming.
pleappleappleap the cheapest mouse available would be better than that
Krishneel Charan Try using a trackpad. Track point or mouse
Right? It's not like touch screens exist or any- Oh wait.
"Funky mouse acceleration," most commonly is caused by hands dragging across the Trackpad. Disable that (Trackpoint and buttons are fine for me) and see if the problem persists. I speak from experience.
Why did LTT start reviewing laptops in a worse way than Verge? I like Alex on other videos but your Laptop reviews are so shallow and not up to LTT standards imo. You overlook a lot of points and complain about unimportant things. I am not a thinkpad fanboy, in fact I hate some of the characteristics of them. But having used 5 different laptops(including one thinkpad) last year, I can prepare a much more insightful “review” than this video.
NOT UP TO LTT STANDARDS. And this goes for every LTT laptop video made last year.
Even your sponsored ad videos are better than your Laptop reviews.
BIG OOF
Wow I was wondering what this strange feeling was, until I got to this comment. It was that sh*tty feeling I feel when I see shallow reviews from the guys like the Verge. Who could have expected this to happen from LTT video. :P
quantity over quality is the main model here for quite a while now
agreed
So what do you think are the points that he has missed out on?