I’m glad Cirrus is partnering with Garmin for a unique and optimized suite. After all, Textron is not. Their NXi still have 10” screens, no remote autopilot controller, or keypad.
Modern General Aviation in a nutshell: - Amazing airframes and avionics. Ancient engines. - Pick between carrying people or fuel, not both together. Want to go far? Go alone. Want to take friends? Go down the road.
You obviously dont fly an SR22T. I can put 4 people in mine with 50 gallons of gas and fly about 3 hours VFR. While I dont disagree with you on how many planes range is spec’d I don’t think Cirrus is one of them. Yea OK the engines are old, which is a double edged sword. The TSIO 550-K1B engine has been around since 2010, BUT it has proven itself very reliable.
The Continental CD 300 burning JetA would have been a great option. Especially in the places where Avgas 100LL is expensive and not available. The additional cost would have been justified.
As an A&P, getting an engine type certificated to an aircraft isn't as easy as deciding to do so. It can take years to get a particular powerplant type certificated to a specific airframe. They'll stick with what the FAA had already approved. They can't just decide to put a left field engine in one of their airframes.
"Most significant generational change" - Still no FADEC - Still no RG - Still no diesel option - Still no performance improvements - Still no significant payload improvement Thank you for listening to your customers.
This design keeps ownership costs manageable, and operation reliable. How is retractable landing gear going to help with that? Introducing tons of new inspections, points of failure, consumables?
@@ramr7051 that's the exact reasoning that keeps the aviation industry stuck in the past. The Cirrus is beyond $1M for a 4 seater with no RG and puts itself in competition with the DA-50 or an LX7... Check out their options and see if they edge out ahead at all in actual features. If anyone buying a G6 or G7 Cirrus was worried about operational costs they could have bought an RV-10 or a variety of other aircraft and avoided basically all of that GA expense with half the price. Barring the fact that GA and even the experimental market has done RG quite reliably for literally decades, Cirrus is one of the best-selling aircraft in its segment and the only generational updates are LED lights for "ramp appeal" and a glass panel cockpit... Cirrus is in a position to afford and drive significant change and they're resting on their laurels.
The Cessna TTx had the G2000 back in 2011 so big whoop. Would’ve been nice to see a Jet-A FADEC engine or even a completely new aircraft that would be ahead of its time.
Agreed. They're becoming like Boeing where they're only slapping new gizmos and minor refinements on old designs and touting them as revolutionary. At least Boeing put new engines on the max, but it's still polishing a turd. Here you get a fancy new screen and gaudy new colors to paint it with. Same wing same engine same performance realistically. Whoop de doo
Agreed. They're becoming like Boeing where they're only slapping new gizmos and minor refinements on old designs and touting them as revolutionary. At least Boeing put new engines on the max, but it's still polishing a turd. Here you get a fancy new screen and gaudy new colors to paint it with. Same wing same engine same performance realistically. Whoop de doo
Agreed. They're becoming like Boeing where they're only slapping new gizmos and minor refinements on old designs and touting them as revolutionary. At least Boeing put new engines on the max, but it's still polishing a turd. Here you get a fancy new screen and gaudy new colors to paint it with. Same wing same engine same performance realistically. Whoop de doo
Agreed. They're becoming like Boeing where they're only slapping new gizmos and minor refinements on old designs and touting them as revolutionary. At least Boeing put new engines on the max, but it's still polishing a turd. Here you get a fancy new screen and gaudy new colors to paint it with. Same wing same engine same performance realistically. Whoop de doo
Would love to see a retractable gear version of the Cirrus SR22T, AND with a pressurized cabin! Cirrus would really knock a homerun with these two extra features! Are you listening Cirrus?
Adding retractable gear or pressurization are more than added features… they require major structural changes and add weight and system complexity. Retractable gear also increases insurance and maintenance costs for pilots. For a few additional knots it’s a big pill to swallow.
Obviously, structural changes, added weight and complexity would come into play - I am aware of that! Cessna produced a pressurized version of the 210, Piper still produces the pressurized M350, Mooney had the Mustang, and RDD Enterprises has both retractable gear and fixed gear versions of the pressurized LX-7 (a reworked Lancair IVP) !! Yes! some of these models have retractable gear to begin with, but Cirrus could certainly do the same with the SR22! After all, The Cirrus SF50 jet is pressurized and has retractable gear - if Cirrus has the resources and know-how to do this with their jet, then why not the same for their SR22!? A retractable gear, pressurized SR22 is do-able and would certainly work wonders for some individuals and/or flight departments!@@MTBAviator
Yeah 1 million dollars for an engine that will still be hard to start when hot, with manual leaning, no auto throttle, this is still a crap price new because of the engine; with a decent engine it maybe worth it
@@Brimstin one of like ten IO-550 FADEC variants like the IOF-550-R, they can even work with Lycoming to certify a new type for the SR-22T, because for a million dollars the engine is to be frank - shit and holds back the SR-22T. The Cirrus has so many impressive things that it made itself, it is so good in so many things; but upgrading the engine will reduce the pilot workload way more and be way more reliable
@@misham6547I guess don’t buy one then if it doesn’t meet your requirement? No one’s twisting your arm. That’s the beauty of the free market. I for one like the improvements they made. Plus, Cirrus has a reputation for coming out with new stuff every couple of years, so who knows: maybe they’re planning fadec next. If Apple threw everything they had into the iPhone 15, they’d have nothing to add to the iPhone 16 next year. Seems like Cirrus has a similar approach.
I love the new features in the interior, including the panel itself. FADEC would have been nice, but the lack of Jet-A still puts it outside the realm of what I'd be interested in. Maybe 10 years ago, but in 2024 I have to think about what this plane will be like to own in 2044. Avgas will likely be a thing of the past.
So what are you going to buy instead, clearly you're in the market for a new aircraft now so what's the aircraft company that's going to be getting your money instead of Cirrus?
@@lensaero If a four seater, and if/when MOSAIC becomes a things, a Sling TSi with a Rotax 916 is high on the list. It's a tad bit slower, but a lot less money and I can use MOGAS. If a two seater, the Risen Supervelace for the same reasons.
@@pilots10 so you weren’t really in the market for an aircraft in the Cirrus price range anyway. The Cirrus is a well proven airframe with huge passenger appeal, if avgas isn’t around in twenty years then you can be sure Diesel engines will be available as a retrofit to all GA aircraft. In the meantime those fitted with diesels now will have been through several new engines at great expense in the meantime. FADEC for a piston single isn’t such a big deal in the real world - yes I’ve flown FADEC equipped aircraft. The only direct competitor is the DA50, a fine aircraft and a step in the right direction, but it is heavy, slow, has limited range and expensive to maintain. The avionics improvements here are quite significant and as soon as a viable diesel FADEC equipped engine becomes available I’m sure they’ll offer it - they did try with the EPS V8 but unfortunately EPS went bankrupt in the home straight.
@@lensaero Immediately, no. Most of my flying for this upcoming plane will be for myself and maybe one other person. In the next three years...yes as far as price range, but for a completely different mission (5 people + bags). That said, if the answer to the issue is "retrofit the engine", you're pretty much solidifying my point. That's at least $50K just to be able to continue flying the exact same airframe without any gain. Well, TBO will reset, but the existing engine probably won't be at TBO at that time so it's not a gain per se. Additionally, my comments apply regardless of the price range. I could get a LOT more plane in the $350K price range if I went with something slightly older with an avgas only engine. Why would I hang that over my head though if there are other options available? I REALLY like the DA50 from a cool factor standpoint, but when you look at overall performance it definitely looses out to the SR22 (and especially SR22T). It not fitting in a T hanger is also a concern. That said, I'd still choose the DA50 for the reasons stated (plus, better fuel economy doesn't hurt either). Had Cirrus went with something like the Continental CD-300, all compromises one would have to contemplate against the DA50 would have been removed.
Clearly the best single engine non pressurized piston on the planet! But priced almost like a DA62!! If I’m spending that much, I’m going for the DA62 !
The trend of sleek clean cockpits is seeing everywhere. My opinion is that one of the charms of flying is the still completely of it. And I want to see that back in the nobs and meters etc. Bcs how hard the industry is trying to make it as if it is driving your car, it isn’t. And I even say that this lead to the illusion that things are automatic and we don't have to think anymore. Don’t get me wrong, there is no better pilot than a AP but we must always be in the lead.
I’m not sure why anyone here is surprised they’re expensive. Even so, it’s the best selling single engine GA airplane on the market. They’re obviously doing something right.
Because they are the least outdated GA certified plane and were designed for the sizes of modern Americans, But it still is super technologically outdated especially the engine.
@@misham6547least outdated? That sounds like a compliment to me. I have no problem with Diamond aircraft, but there are plenty of reasons to choose a Cirrus even though it doesn’t have a diesel engine. That’s my opinion.
Other than the narrative of making aviation more accessible than ever equating to pretty much needing 7 figures, it’s a nice aircraft that many will enjoy. Though I felt like this is more of a push to incentivize people to ‘eventually’ go for a vision jet.
Okay, they have now even better avionics and stuff, but why the hell is a hundred year old engine still in there? For that money, there could be a cd300 installed with much lower fuel burn.
As an A&P who works with Cirruses so much I know the aircraft from spinner to tail like the back of my hand, who on earth, having no experience with aviation or piloting, would decide "oh I'm going to go buy a million dollar aircraft!!"?????.....
If you want to introduce "more people," cost reduction should be a priority. Gorgeous planes but not affordable to the masses. Also as mentioned a jet-A burning motor would have been more useful.
The avionics are the most important thing to operating safely. I’m glad Garmin is there and innovating. If it weren’t for them our airplanes would probably still be using Bendix King six packs. Cirrus is partnering with them too on integrated suites. Unlike Textron or Piper that have more ‘drop-in’ type G100s.
@@MTBAviator I agree with that. However, Cirrus’ last model didn’t have a six pack. It was G1000, which is still perfectly capable and safe for the pilot and his pax. This G2000 setup is amazing, the features are very next gen. But they focus too much on the cockpit and not on the power plant. The G2000 is a very nice but unnecessary upgrade
@@mateoreyes1076 Good points but the previous Garmin was out for years and an upgrade was coming sooner rather than later. The flap speed protection and stick shaker are quite valuable and I haven’t seen people asking for it. But they will help a lot with safety. There are only 2 engine makers out there: Lycoming and Continental. Lycoming is owned by Textron and we know they aren’t investing in pistons. Continental is owned by the same Chinese company as Cirrus. But they are probably looking at the payback for the R&D of adding a FADEC. A new Jet-A engine would also change the Cirrus design and its weight & balance enough for it to be a major change. A new engine also requires Garmin to retool its coding. It all translates into a major expense that they feel the customer doesn’t want to pay for. For now anyway.
Please make a 6 or 7 adult seat airplane with either diesel engine or even a turboprop option and better stall/crosswind characteristics like the DA-62.
“Everything is in reach” is a big tag line here. What they forget to tell the audience that while this is a really great plane, it’s price is completely out of reach for most of us flying. Too sad…
"Introduce more people to the joy of personal aviation by making it simpler and more approachable, and of course more accessible." (But only if you have $1m to spend).
My guess is that with the dual PFD/MFD, there is a reversionary display function, and this may eliminate the need for what would be a third backup instrument.
@@DaneJasper the previous models had dual screens with reversionary mode but still required backup instruments. But the backup instruments were kind of ridiculous and small and hard to see and weirdly placed, so I am not surprised they found a way to eliminate them while still satisfying redundancy and safety.
What worries me is that when you’re coming in on a landing and you have shire winds/ cross winds and you have to initiate 50% flaps so as to not have those winds flip you over with a 85 knots landing; will that under over flap speed protection inhibit you from doing so?!!!
Tomara que deram uma mexida no Painel do VISION SF 50 G2 paressa mais caixas sobre postas e foram montada uma em cima da outra orrivel não vemos um painel liso e bonito ou Cirrus Caprichar aí nos Painel do 🛩️ Vision ! Obs: Ja nesta nova Geração vai ficar bem melhor
no retractable landing gear. need to expand their market by introducing Jet A burning engine (the fuel of choice in many parts of the world outside US).
What is the benefit of retractable gear besides a few knots? It adds weight, complexity, and maintenance costs. It also increases insurance premiums. On top of an airframe redesign.
In my G6 22T I never thought to myself “man these avionics are holding me back” but in the Texas heat in front of the fuel pump trying to get the damn engine started….. ya I have thought maybe we need a red handle removal.
Lots of nice features from a company that never stops innovating. The lower glare shield, stick shaker, automatic fuel tank selector, flaps protection and 3D Safe Taxi / Taxiway Routing are great safety features.
Has the maximum takeoff weight been increased to have full tanks and four adults? Would be nice to have slow trim. Bloody thing is annoying!!! Hope the door mechanism works better. The door handle looks like it came from the G2 🤷🏻♂️
Another disappointing update. At least it's not just "extra color options" this time. Where is the FADEC? JetA? Cirrus still stuck in 1950s engine technology.
You didn’t listen to your customers. You added more screens and nicer cup holders and push button start so you could Jack the price. Why not reduce the entire plane down to one button that’s says GO : STOP. Is that flying? Build a pilots plane: no parachute, retract, affordable. Did you even read the LIVE chat comments?
My big beef is the left hand controller. I think that is a huge mistake, you should visually be able to check that the ailerons are neutral. As important as VA = 1.405 IAS stall The reason is also that due to the lower stroke you can initiate PIO My design error on the prototype of the Diamant series of sailplanes. And I agree with you as Juan would.
So its the same as the sr 22 but they changed the interior and got more gadgets put into it and slapped a new name on the plane..... thats not a new aircraft thats called a trim level upgrade. Aviation is so slow for true innovation. Garmin makes new glass panel with maybe some input from you for engine management. Old design + new interior = New innovative plane!!!
Honestly, don’t get me wrong I love the digitization of aviation but stuff like the taxiway routing really just takes away any critical thought for taxiing
I can guarantee that "young" pilots are not the target demographic of a new $2 million dollar plane. I'd guess young pilofs are more likely to use analog gauges and paper checklists because glass cockpit planes are expensive to rent let alone buy. There's not exactly a lot of millennial or Gen Z pilots shown in this marketing video either.
@@MTBAviatorWe need a middle option. TBM or Pilatus 3 to 4x more. Something in between with both price and performance and a 6 adult seats is definitely needed.
They probably can't change the aircraft much because of the FAA. If there was a new engine it would essentially be a different airplane requiring a complete certification process. This is why the aviation community has no innovative products unless they go the experimental route.
The SR20 and SR22 have different engines. The SR22 and SR22T have the same engine, but the 22T has a turbo which likely needed certification as well. Either way, they've done it before.
They are absolutely capable of it. Or what, we get the same ancient dinosaur of an engine for the next 20 years? EFI and FADEC should be the standard these days - the fact it isn't on a 7-figure aircraft that claims 'innovation, modernism and the latest tech' is bordering on ridiculous. In fact it should be embarassing.
It doesn't require leaded fuel, it is just that there is very little distribution of unleaded 100 octane fuel right now...In 10 years i doubt anyone will still be using 100LL...
No fadec, the cockpit looks messy! Look at what your customers drive to the airport Audi or Jaguar for example. Clean, uncluttered designs seamlessly integrated into the cabin. No HUD option either.
It doesn't cost much to learn how to drive a car. Learn to fly an airplane, only for the wealthy. To buy that airplane, it would cost more than my home on 5 acres. Why not build a basic airplane with old school gauges for casual day use?
Comes down to one thing. The thing that makes the world go round. $$$ The engineering effort necessary to make the plane you are picturing is not worth the costs. You are not in cirrus’ target clientele. Other things to consider. Cirrus makes only a 10-15 SR aircraft a week. For company growth, it makes the most sense to sell the most expensive aircraft. And even if/when they grow enough to support these innovations, their employee growth is severely bottlenecked since they are based in Duluth
Cessna already does a casual local flights plane = C172/182/206... I was expecting a stretched 6 place SR22, imagine that :), but they want everyone burning money in a SF50 apparently.
I find it harder and harder to give a damn about "personal GA" aircraft that are effectively just for multimillionaires. Maybe try innovating something that actually helps GA. As it is, GA is becoming more and more inaccessible. And fewer and fewer people care if the local small airport gets shut down, if they're not actively trying to make that happen. Too few of them have skin in the GA game.
I find it harder and harder to give a damn about "personal GA" aircraft that are effectively just for multimillionaires. Maybe try innovating something that actually helps GA. As it is, GA is becoming more and more inaccessible. And fewer and fewer people care if the local small airport gets shut down, if they're not actively trying to make that happen. Too few of them have skin in the GA game.
Garmin is the innovator here it seems.
I’m glad Cirrus is partnering with Garmin for a unique and optimized suite. After all, Textron is not. Their NXi still have 10” screens, no remote autopilot controller, or keypad.
@@darthmelbius 7.7%
garmin is a nobody without plane companies
What the SR22 really needs is decent engine.
Modern General Aviation in a nutshell:
- Amazing airframes and avionics. Ancient engines.
- Pick between carrying people or fuel, not both together. Want to go far? Go alone. Want to take friends? Go down the road.
You obviously dont fly an SR22T. I can put 4 people in mine with 50 gallons of gas and fly about 3 hours VFR. While I dont disagree with you on how many planes range is spec’d I don’t think Cirrus is one of them. Yea OK the engines are old, which is a double edged sword. The TSIO 550-K1B engine has been around since 2010, BUT it has proven itself very reliable.
The Continental CD 300 burning JetA would have been a great option. Especially in the places where Avgas 100LL is expensive and not available. The additional cost would have been justified.
Yeah, I was hoping for exactly that.
As an A&P, getting an engine type certificated to an aircraft isn't as easy as deciding to do so. It can take years to get a particular powerplant type certificated to a specific airframe. They'll stick with what the FAA had already approved. They can't just decide to put a left field engine in one of their airframes.
A new engine also significantly changes the W&B and requires airframe redesign.
@@MTBAviator facts
Isso mesmo que venha logo está Opção com motor Turbo Jet-A1
"Most significant generational change"
- Still no FADEC
- Still no RG
- Still no diesel option
- Still no performance improvements
- Still no significant payload improvement
Thank you for listening to your customers.
This design keeps ownership costs manageable, and operation reliable. How is retractable landing gear going to help with that? Introducing tons of new inspections, points of failure, consumables?
@@ramr7051 that's the exact reasoning that keeps the aviation industry stuck in the past. The Cirrus is beyond $1M for a 4 seater with no RG and puts itself in competition with the DA-50 or an LX7... Check out their options and see if they edge out ahead at all in actual features.
If anyone buying a G6 or G7 Cirrus was worried about operational costs they could have bought an RV-10 or a variety of other aircraft and avoided basically all of that GA expense with half the price.
Barring the fact that GA and even the experimental market has done RG quite reliably for literally decades, Cirrus is one of the best-selling aircraft in its segment and the only generational updates are LED lights for "ramp appeal" and a glass panel cockpit... Cirrus is in a position to afford and drive significant change and they're resting on their laurels.
The Cessna TTx had the G2000 back in 2011 so big whoop. Would’ve been nice to see a Jet-A FADEC engine or even a completely new aircraft that would be ahead of its time.
This is where the DA 50 RG races ahead
Agreed. They're becoming like Boeing where they're only slapping new gizmos and minor refinements on old designs and touting them as revolutionary. At least Boeing put new engines on the max, but it's still polishing a turd. Here you get a fancy new screen and gaudy new colors to paint it with. Same wing same engine same performance realistically. Whoop de doo
Agreed. They're becoming like Boeing where they're only slapping new gizmos and minor refinements on old designs and touting them as revolutionary. At least Boeing put new engines on the max, but it's still polishing a turd. Here you get a fancy new screen and gaudy new colors to paint it with. Same wing same engine same performance realistically. Whoop de doo
Agreed. They're becoming like Boeing where they're only slapping new gizmos and minor refinements on old designs and touting them as revolutionary. At least Boeing put new engines on the max, but it's still polishing a turd. Here you get a fancy new screen and gaudy new colors to paint it with. Same wing same engine same performance realistically. Whoop de doo
Agreed. They're becoming like Boeing where they're only slapping new gizmos and minor refinements on old designs and touting them as revolutionary. At least Boeing put new engines on the max, but it's still polishing a turd. Here you get a fancy new screen and gaudy new colors to paint it with. Same wing same engine same performance realistically. Whoop de doo
nice,,, now put the Continental CD-300 turbocharged, FADEC controlled jet fuel engine in it :)))
Would love to see a retractable gear version of the Cirrus SR22T, AND with a pressurized cabin! Cirrus would really knock a homerun with these two extra features! Are you listening Cirrus?
People have been asking for FADEC for a long time, if diamond can put one in their DA50, then why Cirrus cant? Obviously they’re not listening
@@Crossdod0flying a Diamond fadec plane was a brutal experience. It was breaking all the time and Mx took ages. The tech just isn’t there yet
Im sure both retractable gear and pressurization would add $500,000 to the plane..
Adding retractable gear or pressurization are more than added features… they require major structural changes and add weight and system complexity. Retractable gear also increases insurance and maintenance costs for pilots. For a few additional knots it’s a big pill to swallow.
Obviously, structural changes, added weight and complexity would come into play - I am aware of that! Cessna produced a pressurized version of the 210, Piper still produces the pressurized M350, Mooney had the Mustang, and RDD Enterprises has both retractable gear and fixed gear versions of the pressurized LX-7 (a reworked Lancair IVP) !! Yes! some of these models have retractable gear to begin with, but Cirrus could certainly do the same with the SR22! After all, The Cirrus SF50 jet is pressurized and has retractable gear - if Cirrus has the resources and know-how to do this with their jet, then why not the same for their SR22!? A retractable gear, pressurized SR22 is do-able and would certainly work wonders for some individuals and/or flight departments!@@MTBAviator
Making aviation easily accessible…to the top 1% of the population.
The Cessna TTx offered many of these G2000 systems sine 2015. Thanks for catching up and progressing.
thank you for your feedback!
Still no FADEC? I'm not buying then.
Yeah 1 million dollars for an engine that will still be hard to start when hot, with manual leaning, no auto throttle, this is still a crap price new because of the engine; with a decent engine it maybe worth it
Which certified diesel fadec engine is out there that doesn’t compromise weight and performance?
@@Brimstin one of like ten IO-550 FADEC variants like the IOF-550-R, they can even work with Lycoming to certify a new type for the SR-22T, because for a million dollars the engine is to be frank - shit and holds back the SR-22T. The Cirrus has so many impressive things that it made itself, it is so good in so many things; but upgrading the engine will reduce the pilot workload way more and be way more reliable
@@misham6547 so I guess the DA50 is a better choice? I heard those are going for $1.5M+ and the range is terrible.
@@misham6547I guess don’t buy one then if it doesn’t meet your requirement? No one’s twisting your arm. That’s the beauty of the free market. I for one like the improvements they made. Plus, Cirrus has a reputation for coming out with new stuff every couple of years, so who knows: maybe they’re planning fadec next.
If Apple threw everything they had into the iPhone 15, they’d have nothing to add to the iPhone 16 next year. Seems like Cirrus has a similar approach.
I love the new features in the interior, including the panel itself. FADEC would have been nice, but the lack of Jet-A still puts it outside the realm of what I'd be interested in. Maybe 10 years ago, but in 2024 I have to think about what this plane will be like to own in 2044. Avgas will likely be a thing of the past.
maybe
So what are you going to buy instead, clearly you're in the market for a new aircraft now so what's the aircraft company that's going to be getting your money instead of Cirrus?
@@lensaero If a four seater, and if/when MOSAIC becomes a things, a Sling TSi with a Rotax 916 is high on the list. It's a tad bit slower, but a lot less money and I can use MOGAS. If a two seater, the Risen Supervelace for the same reasons.
@@pilots10 so you weren’t really in the market for an aircraft in the Cirrus price range anyway. The Cirrus is a well proven airframe with huge passenger appeal, if avgas isn’t around in twenty years then you can be sure Diesel engines will be available as a retrofit to all GA aircraft. In the meantime those fitted with diesels now will have been through several new engines at great expense in the meantime.
FADEC for a piston single isn’t such a big deal in the real world - yes I’ve flown FADEC equipped aircraft. The only direct competitor is the DA50, a fine aircraft and a step in the right direction, but it is heavy, slow, has limited range and expensive to maintain. The avionics improvements here are quite significant and as soon as a viable diesel FADEC equipped engine becomes available I’m sure they’ll offer it - they did try with the EPS V8 but unfortunately EPS went bankrupt in the home straight.
@@lensaero Immediately, no. Most of my flying for this upcoming plane will be for myself and maybe one other person. In the next three years...yes as far as price range, but for a completely different mission (5 people + bags). That said, if the answer to the issue is "retrofit the engine", you're pretty much solidifying my point. That's at least $50K just to be able to continue flying the exact same airframe without any gain. Well, TBO will reset, but the existing engine probably won't be at TBO at that time so it's not a gain per se. Additionally, my comments apply regardless of the price range. I could get a LOT more plane in the $350K price range if I went with something slightly older with an avgas only engine. Why would I hang that over my head though if there are other options available? I REALLY like the DA50 from a cool factor standpoint, but when you look at overall performance it definitely looses out to the SR22 (and especially SR22T). It not fitting in a T hanger is also a concern. That said, I'd still choose the DA50 for the reasons stated (plus, better fuel economy doesn't hurt either). Had Cirrus went with something like the Continental CD-300, all compromises one would have to contemplate against the DA50 would have been removed.
Why not a Diesel engine yet?
Clearly the best single engine non pressurized piston on the planet!
But priced almost like a DA62!!
If I’m spending that much, I’m going for the DA62 !
Nice improvements to the flight deck. And some that should help safety. Nicely done.
A RG option with a strong landing gear would be a game changer
I watched the release live and was so disappointed
Was hoping for a 6 seat turbo prop....or a lighly bigger jet...i suppose there isnt market for a twin..
"more accessible and more affordable"!? Dude not every one has 1.4 million dollars to spend
That is cheep for an aircraft most cesnas now get to 1 mil
The Cirrus G7 would be a great plane if only they would run JETA1. It would probably beat compition like the Da50RG easy if they'd change the engine..
Beautiful airplane, and I love the updated interior. Now I just have to go find 2 million dollars to buy it :P
The trend of sleek clean cockpits is seeing everywhere. My opinion is that one of the charms of flying is the still completely of it. And I want to see that back in the nobs and meters etc. Bcs how hard the industry is trying to make it as if it is driving your car, it isn’t. And I even say that this lead to the illusion that things are automatic and we don't have to think anymore. Don’t get me wrong, there is no better pilot than a AP but we must always be in the lead.
Newest generation = new cupholders :D
It is desperately needed lol
…love the cubby …it’s cool
Develop a 3 row stretched sr22 turbo.
Or a nice twin.
Where is the backup artificial horizon?
Yes, a backup AI and HI would have been nice.
@@tonyanderson2269I was in the g7 the other days, it’s on the two little touchscreens when the pfd and mfd lose power
I don't know that this whole "Hey - forget about flying being something you should be serious about, it's just like a car." thing they're going for.
I’m not sure why anyone here is surprised they’re expensive. Even so, it’s the best selling single engine GA airplane on the market. They’re obviously doing something right.
@@PecekMichalYou're right, it's better that they weren't the best so they can never lose this achievement.🙄
Because they are the least outdated GA certified plane and were designed for the sizes of modern Americans, But it still is super technologically outdated especially the engine.
@@misham6547least outdated? That sounds like a compliment to me. I have no problem with Diamond aircraft, but there are plenty of reasons to choose a Cirrus even though it doesn’t have a diesel engine. That’s my opinion.
@@PecekMichalThat’s why they keep making improvements! When something better comes along it will out sell it, until that day here it is!
Great work cirrus ❤
Other than the narrative of making aviation more accessible than ever equating to pretty much needing 7 figures, it’s a nice aircraft that many will enjoy. Though I felt like this is more of a push to incentivize people to ‘eventually’ go for a vision jet.
I love it! Needs FADEC though…. Like for real 🤦♂️
If I could purchase a plane, this would be the one. Hands Down.
No PPL now but as I am right handed can you fly PIC in right seat and swap over screens to right? Thanks. Laurie. NZ. 😊
Okay, they have now even better avionics and stuff, but why the hell is a hundred year old engine still in there? For that money, there could be a cd300 installed with much lower fuel burn.
As an A&P who works with Cirruses so much I know the aircraft from spinner to tail like the back of my hand, who on earth, having no experience with aviation or piloting, would decide "oh I'm going to go buy a million dollar aircraft!!"?????.....
and how is that a stepping stone into aviation?
@@redbaronmodeling agreed
I would…if I had the funds!🤣 I’d much rather be buying this or an older SR22. Instead I’m still spending ~100k on an old beat up Cennsa 182.
Everything is in reach for $1.5M!!
How does anyone afford this beautiful plane? I must be doing something wrong.
Dreaming small.
Go leverage up about 200 rentals and wait 10 years...then you can afford one...
You can start it with a push of a bottom. WOW!!! Now we are talking!
If you want to introduce "more people," cost reduction should be a priority. Gorgeous planes but not affordable to the masses. Also as mentioned a jet-A burning motor would have been more useful.
Would still pick diamond over this. Still no Jet A or FADEC. Customers didn’t ask for new avionics
The avionics are the most important thing to operating safely. I’m glad Garmin is there and innovating. If it weren’t for them our airplanes would probably still be using Bendix King six packs. Cirrus is partnering with them too on integrated suites. Unlike Textron or Piper that have more ‘drop-in’ type G100s.
@@MTBAviator I agree with that. However, Cirrus’ last model didn’t have a six pack. It was G1000, which is still perfectly capable and safe for the pilot and his pax. This G2000 setup is amazing, the features are very next gen. But they focus too much on the cockpit and not on the power plant. The G2000 is a very nice but unnecessary upgrade
@@mateoreyes1076 Good points but the previous Garmin was out for years and an upgrade was coming sooner rather than later. The flap speed protection and stick shaker are quite valuable and I haven’t seen people asking for it. But they will help a lot with safety. There are only 2 engine makers out there: Lycoming and Continental. Lycoming is owned by Textron and we know they aren’t investing in pistons. Continental is owned by the same Chinese company as Cirrus. But they are probably looking at the payback for the R&D of adding a FADEC. A new Jet-A engine would also change the Cirrus design and its weight & balance enough for it to be a major change. A new engine also requires Garmin to retool its coding. It all translates into a major expense that they feel the customer doesn’t want to pay for. For now anyway.
Smartglide ? Don't think so... @@mateoreyes1076
Please make a 6 or 7 adult seat airplane with either diesel engine or even a turboprop option and better stall/crosswind characteristics like the DA-62.
“Everything is in reach” is a big tag line here. What they forget to tell the audience that while this is a really great plane, it’s price is completely out of reach for most of us flying. Too sad…
"Introduce more people to the joy of personal aviation by making it simpler and more approachable, and of course more accessible."
(But only if you have $1m to spend).
Magic !
1mil+ is not “more accessible”…
Interesting.. I wonder where the backup gauges are. Like the backup Attitude and Airpseed indicators?
My guess is that with the dual PFD/MFD, there is a reversionary display function, and this may eliminate the need for what would be a third backup instrument.
@@DaneJasper the previous models had dual screens with reversionary mode but still required backup instruments. But the backup instruments were kind of ridiculous and small and hard to see and weirdly placed, so I am not surprised they found a way to eliminate them while still satisfying redundancy and safety.
What worries me is that when you’re coming in on a landing and you have shire winds/ cross winds and you have to initiate 50% flaps so as to not have those winds flip you over with a 85 knots landing; will that under over flap speed protection inhibit you from doing so?!!!
Estou a 10 anos batendo nesta tecla com a Cirrus para oferecer ao seus Clientes os Aviões 🛩️ com a Opção de Motores movidos a Jet-A1 🇱🇷🛩️🇧🇷
Tomara que deram uma mexida no Painel do VISION SF 50 G2 paressa mais caixas sobre postas e foram montada uma em cima da outra orrivel não vemos um painel liso e bonito ou Cirrus Caprichar aí nos Painel do 🛩️ Vision !
Obs: Ja nesta nova Geração vai ficar bem melhor
Awesome, but I still can't afford one. But I wouldn't turn down a ride and a little stick time.
no retractable landing gear. need to expand their market by introducing Jet A burning engine (the fuel of choice in many parts of the world outside US).
they want to sell jets, that would cut into their jet sales without a doubt
What is the benefit of retractable gear besides a few knots? It adds weight, complexity, and maintenance costs. It also increases insurance premiums. On top of an airframe redesign.
Beautiful aircraft 😍
In my G6 22T I never thought to myself “man these avionics are holding me back” but in the Texas heat in front of the fuel pump trying to get the damn engine started….. ya I have thought maybe we need a red handle removal.
Lots of nice features from a company that never stops innovating. The lower glare shield, stick shaker, automatic fuel tank selector, flaps protection and 3D Safe Taxi / Taxiway Routing are great safety features.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The market prices are expected to remain high
Amazing
Must be nice to hemmorage money because that's what you need to own and operate one of these
Nice updates but nothing amazing. A bit disappointed. On a side note, please make a Bonanza type aircraft. 6 seats, club seating and RG.
Solid refresh!!😎👍🏽
Has the maximum takeoff weight been increased to have full tanks and four adults?
Would be nice to have slow trim. Bloody thing is annoying!!!
Hope the door mechanism works better. The door handle looks like it came from the G2 🤷🏻♂️
Dont let the hate bring you down yall your aircrafts are actually good
Cockpit or “Fright Deck”???
EMWTK
And still an ancient engine with the consumption to go with it. Its a nice aircraft but Diamond outclasses it.
“Everything’s in reach” lol sure except the price
Another disappointing update. At least it's not just "extra color options" this time. Where is the FADEC? JetA? Cirrus still stuck in 1950s engine technology.
thank you for your feedback!
I would like to see more room for my head!. I am just 6'0" and I cannot seat fully vertically and reach pedals at the same time.
im 6'3 with a g6 SR22, you have to click the seat back one notch
You didn’t listen to your customers. You added more screens and nicer cup holders and push button start so you could Jack the price. Why not reduce the entire plane down to one button that’s says GO : STOP. Is that flying?
Build a pilots plane: no parachute, retract, affordable.
Did you even read the LIVE chat comments?
My big beef is the left hand controller.
I think that is a huge mistake, you should visually be able to check that the ailerons are neutral. As important as VA = 1.405 IAS stall
The reason is also that due to the lower stroke you can initiate PIO
My design error on the prototype of the Diamant series of sailplanes.
And I agree with you as Juan would.
So its the same as the sr 22 but they changed the interior and got more gadgets put into it and slapped a new name on the plane..... thats not a new aircraft thats called a trim level upgrade. Aviation is so slow for true innovation. Garmin makes new glass panel with maybe some input from you for engine management. Old design + new interior = New innovative plane!!!
It does everything for you. Then why do I need a license to fly it?
Honestly, don’t get me wrong I love the digitization of aviation but stuff like the taxiway routing really just takes away any critical thought for taxiing
@@jdl2327 Young pilots may rely too much on technology.
I can guarantee that "young" pilots are not the target demographic of a new $2 million dollar plane. I'd guess young pilofs are more likely to use analog gauges and paper checklists because glass cockpit planes are expensive to rent let alone buy. There's not exactly a lot of millennial or Gen Z pilots shown in this marketing video either.
Retractable gear and stretch airframe would be best but cant see this year
They need a turboprop with pressurized cabin retractable Lg ati ice etc.
This is just what they had before!!!!
That said,always amazing machines!!
If you want that just buy a TBM or a Pilatus
@@MTBAviatorWe need a middle option. TBM or Pilatus 3 to 4x more. Something in between with both price and performance and a 6 adult seats is definitely needed.
They probably can't change the aircraft much because of the FAA. If there was a new engine it would essentially be a different airplane requiring a complete certification process. This is why the aviation community has no innovative products unless they go the experimental route.
The SR20 and SR22 have different engines. The SR22 and SR22T have the same engine, but the 22T has a turbo which likely needed certification as well. Either way, they've done it before.
They are absolutely capable of it. Or what, we get the same ancient dinosaur of an engine for the next 20 years? EFI and FADEC should be the standard these days - the fact it isn't on a 7-figure aircraft that claims 'innovation, modernism and the latest tech' is bordering on ridiculous. In fact it should be embarassing.
But there are IO-550's with FADECs available
Plane that still uses engines which require leaded fuel.
It doesn't require leaded fuel, it is just that there is very little distribution of unleaded 100 octane fuel right now...In 10 years i doubt anyone will still be using 100LL...
No fadec, the cockpit looks messy! Look at what your customers drive to the airport Audi or Jaguar for example. Clean, uncluttered designs seamlessly integrated into the cabin. No HUD option either.
What an amazing aircraft, one day I will have you my friend.
😍😍😍😍
The cirrus company is silent about the problem of icing and the difficulty of piloting in these conditions, just beautiful advertising
WOW!!!
Cup Holders!!
It doesn't cost much to learn how to drive a car. Learn to fly an airplane, only for the wealthy. To buy that airplane, it would cost more than my home on 5 acres. Why not build a basic airplane with old school gauges for casual day use?
Comes down to one thing. The thing that makes the world go round. $$$
The engineering effort necessary to make the plane you are picturing is not worth the costs. You are not in cirrus’ target clientele.
Other things to consider. Cirrus makes only a 10-15 SR aircraft a week. For company growth, it makes the most sense to sell the most expensive aircraft.
And even if/when they grow enough to support these innovations, their employee growth is severely bottlenecked since they are based in Duluth
Cessna already does a casual local flights plane = C172/182/206... I was expecting a stretched 6 place SR22, imagine that :), but they want everyone burning money in a SF50 apparently.
Buy a 50 yr old Cessna or build an experimental if you only have $100k to spend
@@2Greenlid Flying is for the wealthy. I'll learn from RUclips and fly from my own property. Licence is not necessary.
@@eugenelayton5231 that is what a Piper cub or similar is for. Lots of farmers never get a ppl…
Boooo-ring.
The bottom, two Garmin screens look like knee busters in the video.
How all general aircraft should be!
Everyone complaining they can’t afford it. Work harder. Work smarter. Work till you can get a Cirrus. I’m almost there.
Say what you will about the lack of fadec, this plane is very cool and Cirrus gets it
I’m surprised they didn’t go away from the piston.. it’s limited because of avgas.. why not jet A like the Diamond. But it’s another over priced turd.
I find it harder and harder to give a damn about "personal GA" aircraft that are effectively just for multimillionaires. Maybe try innovating something that actually helps GA. As it is, GA is becoming more and more inaccessible. And fewer and fewer people care if the local small airport gets shut down, if they're not actively trying to make that happen. Too few of them have skin in the GA game.
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No FADEC , No Pressurized Cabin , No retractable landing gear .... But raises the prices again ..... Greed
Da50 is better
I take it back
Why the emphasis on women flying???? Trying to expand your market segment??....................No thank you.
No blacks seen in this video lol
For a short price of $1900000
I find it harder and harder to give a damn about "personal GA" aircraft that are effectively just for multimillionaires. Maybe try innovating something that actually helps GA. As it is, GA is becoming more and more inaccessible. And fewer and fewer people care if the local small airport gets shut down, if they're not actively trying to make that happen. Too few of them have skin in the GA game.