It is easier to submit and obey, which is why religions and rulers always operated on this notion. You stop having to think, to study, to learn, to test/challenge, to wonder, to be responsible for your choices.
That and it's easier to outsource one's intelligence to someone who's willing to sell it back to oneself at a seemingly lower price than it might cost to aquire it on one's own
Steven Pinker is right things are getting better. Watch the film ‘The Great Year’ it is about the 24 thousand year cycle called ‘The Great Year’ the Precession of the Equinoxes. We perceive life as linear: past, present, and future. In reality it is cyclical; with a downward progression from a high age to a dark age and an upward arc to another high age. Where we are now, having come past the last dark age whose lowest point was 500 A.D. We are at the bottom of the upward arc having mostly left the material age behind and now entering an age of electricities and forces; most yet to be discovered and after this to a still higher age where magnetism and other currently not understood entities will be discovered; and be put to use. When the top is reached the downward arc will commence again. It has been said with every rotation we grow closer to a Grand Center which is also drawing closer to its Grand Center. How many of those there may be is unknown. In infinity it could be infinite. Life gets more and more interesting; we contribute our part and hopefully if reincarnation is the case we have a lot of adventures ahead of us. Which is fine with me, bring it on!
@@MMG-q1v That's a good point; don't mention that one. The controllers condition the gullible, requiring them to ignore reality and proudly expose their belligerent stupidity. Their lack of logic is similar to that of a flat-earth loon. Some Christian superstitions claim there is no certainty of who gets in, so the dude having his last gasp isn't guaranteed a seat on the magic bus. Thanks for your interest and contribution
Hindsight is 20/20. During the covid season, old people and overweight people were dying at the rate we'd never seen before. You don't do anything to protect vulnerable people? Lockdown seemed unfair to most young and healthy people, but they were the healthy hosts for the disease. Sweden is a small country. Their old people were already being well monitored and protected by the welfare system. I don't think lockdown had anything to do with restriction of freedom.
It should be noted that Sweden's government had to change their view on lockdown as they began to see not doing so was impacting their country's population quite negatively. They began to lockdown late in the game.
@@yamishogun6501 A new study by European scientific researchers buries all those claims in the ground. Published in Nature, the study paints a devastating picture of Swedish policies and their effects.
Nobody knows what the world will be like in fifty years. That wasn't so much the case, say, a thousand years ago. We're in a very unstable place. (No one predicted this world fifty years ago, either.)
Listening to what was said at 53:10 was embarrassing, no humility, guy has no clue as to what AGI is and what are the consequences of an exponential progress.
Toady's trouble is exceptionally different from yesterday's. Mostly because of the population of the planet and the changes that need to be addressed with the climate. Every other issue will seem trivial when the worst of it happens - unless you do not plan on being there for it all.
But you don't have to listen. The target audience is those in attendance, who were enjoying the foods & drinks. That's fine. Consider us as bystanders. If we don't like the context, we can just move on down the street. No problems.
@jeb6183 Yep. Incredible how many other commentators on here are far more interested in going along with current cultural pessimism etc, or picking up on memes about "genocide" (without understanding its definition or history) rather than actually bothering to pay attention to any data or facts or statistics.
its our educational system that needs improvement- heck we don't even teach in the schools that we are animals like all the others- totally dependent on healthy and diverse ecosystems. and many still don't believe in Climate Change and or the 6th Great Extinction! and we do need to TAX all forms of pollution and the rich (since they got their wealth by exploiting the publics natural resources.
*Student question:* Why do you professors hate Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion so much, and which one do you hate the most? *Ridley:* Well, you may know that my family fortune comes from mining coal, but due to government meddling, the coal mines of the UK have all but shut down, so my bank prospered by diversifying into other industries such as petroleum. I thus think that diversity is a wonderful thing. And we invest in equities! We own equity in the oil industry and timber and a diverse portfolio of other extraction industries, so I don't see why you think we hate diversity and equity! *Pinker:* It's _Inclusion_ that I hate! The prestige of being a Haahvad professor is that Haahvad is such an EXclusive institution! INclusion would ruin the entire racket. *Ridley:* _Yaaas!_ The same with the the elite private clubs I belong to in London. They're quite EXclusive so as to keep the peasants out. Allowing the _hoi polloi_ in would make it not worth the £2000 annual fee, would it? *Pinker:* Oh, dear. You shouldn't use an article before _hoi polloi._ It's redundant. *Ridley:* Do shut up !
All the gains listed are for other people. Our societies are breaking down. We are entering a Mad Max stage were people still go to work, there are still police but nothing works and the police are ineffective. Our countries are increasingly totalitarian. Thought crimes have been introduced. Our police want to prosecute us for what we think and say and have little interest in investigating and prosecuting traditional crimes. All major parties agree on things like hyper immigration in direct opposition to the wishes of the majority of the countries citizens. Effective blasphemy laws have been introduced (for 1 real religion and 1 secular woke religion). In the UK they are emptying out the prisons of real criminals to make room for thought crime dissidents.
That was disappointing. So many stupid comments. Here's one: criticising actors dissing Rowling for her views is unacceptable because they gained work from her books. Now, I think the cancelling of her was idiotic (I agreed with her stance) but the actors of her works have all the right to criticise her. Freedom of speech, for one.
This is a little mob, in front of a bigger mob. If someone has the lack of grace and kindness to say "fake women" on stage, and the other two just nod along...well to quote MLK, a time comes when silence is betrayal. Don't know who the hell Matt Ridley is, but I think both Pinker and Shermer used to be better, and I'm sad to see them obsessed with culture wars.
Sales, especially retail, professional sales people will always tell you every purchase is emotion driven, irrational. even if a real need exists and facts are used. There are many entire courses on how to manipulate that.
Idk what Matt means that growth could be greater with sensible energy policy Given he is a staunch libertarian - is he saying that we should be ramping up fossil fuel use?
I think it gets too extreme. Some parts of DEI are messed up, but the idea is to educate people about differences so they can treat everyone well, not to treat them poorly because you don't know. Hamas definitely committed horrendous acts, but it's okay to be worried that Israel's response is too extreme. Etc.
The "interviewer" suggests that it might be a good time to allow "entrepreneurs" to step in + "Fix things"- Who do you mean -Wall street?. M8 you don't belong in this trio - Except to clean up their toilets.
So pro NATO (wrong), pro Israel (wrong), obsessed with “wokeism” and claims that things are getting better. I used to respect Pinker and Shermer, but man have they fallen. Sad.
Discussions sbout the Israeli Palestinian issue lacks some historical context....why not invite someone who has a deeper understanding of the history of this region to offer a more wholistic perspective.... Eugene Rogan or Ilan Pappe, for example.....when experts offer opinions outside their area of expertise I am a little SKEPTICAL......😊
Because the purpose of the conversation isn't to discuss Israel Palestine... it's to hear these people offer their unique insights about various topics from the point of view of the exertise they do have, in so far as it's aplicable to those topics. You should indeed be skeptical, but you should also be wary of saying people, expert or not, don't have anything to add or any insights just because they're touching on things outside their expertise.
@@larryparis925 For example, Ridley calls the Oct. 7 Hamas terrorists "rapists" despite the fact that reports of mass rape, beheaded babies and the like have been thoroughly debunked even in outlets like the New York Times that widely disseminated them initially. Hamas and its compatriots committed atrocities on Oct. 7, but mass rape and beheaded babies were not among them. The IDF also committed atrocities on Oct. 7 and has committed even more atrocities, by orders of magnitude, since. The Israeli state also committed atrocities before Oct. 7. The panelists seem to think that "from the river to the sea" is only a slogan of mindless protesters who can't name the river or the sea when in fact it has been a central plank of the Likud Party platform since the seventies, as the party insists that all of the land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, particularly what it calls Judea and Samaria as well as the Gaza Strip, must always be under the sovereignty of a Jewish state. The panelists seem to know none of this, presumably because they only know the conventional narratives they repeat.
For example, Ridley calls the Oct. 7 Hamas terrorists "rapists" despite the fact that reports of mass rape, beheaded babies and the like have been thoroughly debunked even in outlets like the New York Times that widely disseminated them initially. Hamas and its compatriots committed atrocities on Oct. 7, but mass rape and beheaded babies were not among them. The IDF also committed atrocities on Oct. 7 and has committed even more atrocities, by orders of magnitude, since. The Israeli state also committed atrocities before Oct. 7. The panelists seem to think that "from the river to the sea" is only a slogan of mindless protesters who can't name the river or the sea when in fact it has been a central plank of the Likud Party platform since the seventies, as the party insists that all of the land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, particularly what it calls Judea and Samaria as well as the Gaza Strip, must always be under the sovereignty of a Jewish state. The panelists seem to know none of this, presumably because they only know the conventional narratives they repeat.
So many takes here were terrible but the one that really stands out to me is ‘they are only famous because of the movies based on the books she wrote so they can’t speak out against JK Rowlings views’ nonsense.
@@hexagram531 And their moral panic over “wokeism” is pretty funny as well. That Shermer deigns to treat known fabulist Christopher Rufp as a reliable source of anything is especially amusing in fact.
@@ggunnelspct So you still haven't answered my question. And whether "moral panic" over wokeism all depends on how you define or see "wokeism", doesn't it? Is suppression of free speech with cancel culture OK? Is positive discrimination really ever going to be any more helpful with race relations than negative discrimination? (Does burgling the house of a burglar have a positive effect on crime statistics?) Have you seen no reasoned objections to DEI ideas, in respect of competency for doing particular jobs being more important than skin colour? Is the surgical and chemical mutilation of an underage person with depression and anxiety or autism problems ever a "good idea" because they've been convinced by "social" media that the real root of their problems is that they "should have been" the other sex? No reason for "moral panic", seriously?
@@hexagram531 : What’s amazing is that Ridley wasn’t hounded out of all good society for having the gall to lambast bailouts and then seeking one for Northern Rock once his and fellow board members ran the bank into the ground. But concepts like accountability and judgment aren’t really things you’d expect from a guy like Ridley to take on.
I'm a fan of Michael and Steven's work, but with all due respect this is such a 'boomer' conversation and extremely out of touch with reality. How can you not acknowledge that the Israeli government and military is quite literally attempting a genocide against Palestine? It is quite clear, and not at all "fringe" to say this -- I am a moderate liberal. If you do not agree with what I just said about the Israel/Palestine situation, you quite simply have not been following the news closely enough.
Do you not think that Israel has the right to defend herself? Faafo... It's extremely fringe to be on the side of the terrorists. Sure some innocent people are dying; because radical islamists are using them as human shields. The blood is on the hands of Hamas, not Israel.
Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran want to genocide all Israelis and Netanyahu wants all the lands of Palestine. As long as those two entities are in power, there will be no peace.
If they are trying to commit genocide then they are failing miserably at it, when in reality they could wipe the area of the map in a heartbeat. Genocide is not their intention. You are the one who doesn't read the news and can't recognize the complexity of the situation.
53:10 One of the dumbest takes on AGI I've ever heard, what a linear mind not even comparing apples to apples. What does launching men into space have to do with AGI progress, as if it is a predictor.
@@karagi101 next time I check with you what my comment should be and how it should be written. but hey never let that beautiful confidence away, always assume you know someone without knowing them.
he lost me at his harry potter lady defence. she is disgusting and was deservably canceled, and he took the most reasonable shit she said and claimed she was canceled merely for that, no she wasn't. and is now in legal trouble because she misgendered a CIS woman that was born female
I hope she's not in legal trouble simply for misgendering someone, as that's pretty silly and scary to think about. I think it's more because her statements are considered slander? Which I can get behind. Admittedly, that person does look very masculine, so I can understand the confusion these times bring. But now that it seems she isn't, should admit mistake, apologize, and move on. But of course, nobody in these fights ever wants to do that because 'the cause' and appearance of strength and being right is more important than truth & civil human interactions, ugh.
I am sorry but this talk was meaningless in some parts…I expected these three to talk more according to the current data and facts about the war….if they do not know, they could simply avoid saying terrible ideas or what they think is true… they could have said I am not an expert on that … They did not mention thousands of people were killed by Israeil and now I am also skeptic about it …. Yes Hamas started the war but many innocent people of Palestine were killed after that and the war still continues…. Pro Israeli is way far from my expectations of these elite people! So frustrating ….
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Do we need to see the waiters and listen to the cutlery noise? Don’t these wise people deserve a better setting? Tsk tsk tsk
A bit distracting for sure...
I thought you were making a joke about the lockdowns ruining working class restaurant jobs 😂
That didn't bother me at all. Probably because I was just focused on what they were saying.
Looks a wedding video done by a drunk uncle 😂
Place the camera on a high stand above all the distractions. It's simple, and it only takes a little thought in preparation.
What is the opposite of diversity?
University!
Very good!
It is easier to submit and obey, which is why religions and rulers always operated on this notion. You stop having to think, to study, to learn, to test/challenge, to wonder, to be responsible for your choices.
That and it's easier to outsource one's intelligence to someone who's willing to sell it back to oneself at a seemingly lower price than it might cost to aquire it on one's own
@@nuasiw That transaction is recognised as tithing?
Steven Pinker is right things are getting better. Watch the film ‘The Great Year’ it is about the 24 thousand year cycle called ‘The Great Year’ the Precession of the Equinoxes. We perceive life as linear: past, present, and future. In reality it is cyclical; with a downward progression from a high age to a dark age and an upward arc to another high age. Where we are now, having come past the last dark age whose lowest point was 500 A.D. We are at the bottom of the upward arc having mostly left the material age behind and now entering an age of electricities and forces; most yet to be discovered and after this to a still higher age where magnetism and other currently not understood entities will be discovered; and be put to use.
When the top is reached the downward arc will commence again. It has been said with every rotation we grow closer to a Grand Center which is also drawing closer to its Grand Center. How many of those there may be is unknown. In infinity it could be infinite. Life gets more and more interesting; we contribute our part and hopefully if reincarnation is the case we have a lot of adventures ahead of us. Which is fine with me, bring it on!
Not to mention that, for some faith traditions, the adherents can avoid facing the fact of their eventual death.
@@MMG-q1v
That's a good point; don't mention that one. The controllers condition the gullible, requiring them to ignore reality and proudly expose their belligerent stupidity. Their lack of logic is similar to that of a flat-earth loon.
Some Christian superstitions claim there is no certainty of who gets in, so the dude having his last gasp isn't guaranteed a seat on the magic bus.
Thanks for your interest and contribution
Apparently someone positioned the recording mic before the kitchen staff arrived.
Hindsight is 20/20. During the covid season, old people and overweight people were dying at the rate we'd never seen before. You don't do anything to protect vulnerable people? Lockdown seemed unfair to most young and healthy people, but they were the healthy hosts for the disease. Sweden is a small country. Their old people were already being well monitored and protected by the welfare system. I don't think lockdown had anything to do with restriction of freedom.
It should be noted that Sweden's government had to change their view on lockdown as they began to see not doing so was impacting their country's population quite negatively. They began to lockdown late in the game.
@@rhondah1587 Sweden never locked down. During the winter of 2021, a few government budlings were closed for a few weeks.
@@yamishogun6501 A new study by European scientific researchers buries all those claims in the ground. Published in Nature, the study paints a devastating picture of Swedish policies and their effects.
Slick shoes Shermer. Sharing a stage with Pinker, that's just awesome!
Nobody knows what the world will be like in fifty years. That wasn't so much the case, say, a thousand years ago. We're in a very unstable place. (No one predicted this world fifty years ago, either.)
I can’t imagine what AI will look like in 50 years. It honestly scares me just a little bit .
Listening to what was said at 53:10 was embarrassing, no humility, guy has no clue as to what AGI is and what are the consequences of an exponential progress.
@@ProProboscis your comment betrays your lack of human intelligence. don't worry about the artificial one.
Great conversation!
Toady's trouble is exceptionally different from yesterday's. Mostly because of the population of the planet and the changes that need to be addressed with the climate. Every other issue will seem trivial when the worst of it happens - unless you do not plan on being there for it all.
Yes. This elephant in the room was conveniently left out of the conversation.
@@hanu23 Not elephant, more like a boogeyman.
The background noise is terrible
But you don't have to listen. The target audience is those in attendance, who were enjoying the foods & drinks. That's fine. Consider us as bystanders. If we don't like the context, we can just move on down the street. No problems.
Thank you 👍
Awesome. Thanks for this!
@jeb6183 Yep. Incredible how many other commentators on here are far more interested in going along with current cultural pessimism etc, or picking up on memes about "genocide" (without understanding its definition or history) rather than actually bothering to pay attention to any data or facts or statistics.
its our educational system that needs improvement- heck we don't even teach in the schools that we are animals like all the others- totally dependent on healthy and diverse ecosystems. and many still don't believe in Climate Change and or the 6th Great Extinction! and we do need to TAX all forms of pollution and the rich (since they got their wealth by exploiting the publics natural resources.
*Student question:* Why do you professors hate Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion so much, and which one do you hate the most?
*Ridley:* Well, you may know that my family fortune comes from mining coal, but due to government meddling, the coal mines of the UK have all but shut down, so my bank prospered by diversifying into other industries such as petroleum. I thus think that diversity is a wonderful thing. And we invest in equities! We own equity in the oil industry and timber and a diverse portfolio of other extraction industries, so I don't see why you think we hate diversity and equity!
*Pinker:* It's _Inclusion_ that I hate! The prestige of being a Haahvad professor is that Haahvad is such an EXclusive institution! INclusion would ruin the entire racket.
*Ridley:* _Yaaas!_ The same with the the elite private clubs I belong to in London. They're quite EXclusive so as to keep the peasants out. Allowing the _hoi polloi_ in would make it not worth the £2000 annual fee, would it?
*Pinker:* Oh, dear. You shouldn't use an article before _hoi polloi._ It's redundant.
*Ridley:* Do shut up !
All the gains listed are for other people. Our societies are breaking down. We are entering a Mad Max stage were people still go to work, there are still police but nothing works and the police are ineffective. Our countries are increasingly totalitarian. Thought crimes have been introduced. Our police want to prosecute us for what we think and say and have little interest in investigating and prosecuting traditional crimes. All major parties agree on things like hyper immigration in direct opposition to the wishes of the majority of the countries citizens. Effective blasphemy laws have been introduced (for 1 real religion and 1 secular woke religion). In the UK they are emptying out the prisons of real criminals to make room for thought crime dissidents.
Very true.
That was disappointing.
So many stupid comments.
Here's one: criticising actors dissing Rowling for her views is unacceptable because they gained work from her books.
Now, I think the cancelling of her was idiotic (I agreed with her stance) but the actors of her works have all the right to criticise her. Freedom of speech, for one.
When the issue is feminism, these guys are just woke sjws.
Regarding lock-downs during COVID, why didn't government hand it over to FEMA and supplement COVID insurance like Flood Insurance?
Haven't seen Matt around in a minute... good group. To torture a quote, These are the worst times ever - except for all time before now.
For some women in some places, we can say that we have more freedom and self-determination than women had at any previous time.
This is a little mob, in front of a bigger mob. If someone has the lack of grace and kindness to say "fake women" on stage, and the other two just nod along...well to quote MLK, a time comes when silence is betrayal. Don't know who the hell Matt Ridley is, but I think both Pinker and Shermer used to be better, and I'm sad to see them obsessed with culture wars.
Sales, especially retail, professional sales people will always tell you every purchase is emotion driven, irrational. even if a real need exists and facts are used. There are many entire courses on how to manipulate that.
Very well said
Idk what Matt means that growth could be greater with sensible energy policy
Given he is a staunch libertarian - is he saying that we should be ramping up fossil fuel use?
I think it gets too extreme. Some parts of DEI are messed up, but the idea is to educate people about differences so they can treat everyone well, not to treat them poorly because you don't know. Hamas definitely committed horrendous acts, but it's okay to be worried that Israel's response is too extreme. Etc.
Way to hell is paved with good intentions...
Not sure it's particularly helpful to feature a climate skeptic and covid denier like Ridley, tbh. I'm beginning to be a bit Shermer skeptic.
You've clearly never listened to Ridley.
big three
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I slso became more pro -Israel after Hamas attack.
The "interviewer" suggests that it might be a good time to allow "entrepreneurs" to step in + "Fix things"- Who do you mean -Wall street?. M8 you don't belong in this trio - Except to clean up their toilets.
So pro NATO (wrong), pro Israel (wrong), obsessed with “wokeism” and claims that things are getting better. I used to respect Pinker and Shermer, but man have they fallen. Sad.
49:35
what is that irish accent? lol..
interesting talk though, as always. but seriously, what was that accent switch?
Discussions sbout the Israeli Palestinian issue lacks some historical context....why not invite someone who has a deeper understanding of the history of this region to offer a more wholistic perspective.... Eugene Rogan or Ilan Pappe, for example.....when experts offer opinions outside their area of expertise I am a little SKEPTICAL......😊
Because the purpose of the conversation isn't to discuss Israel Palestine... it's to hear these people offer their unique insights about various topics from the point of view of the exertise they do have, in so far as it's aplicable to those topics. You should indeed be skeptical, but you should also be wary of saying people, expert or not, don't have anything to add or any insights just because they're touching on things outside their expertise.
18:20
I'm sorry but the name of this podcast 'Challenging Conventional Narratives' is comical, these three are establishment at its core.
Why are you sorry?
Such surfice level understanding of Isreal/Palestine. Maybe one of you should actually listen to the other side.
None of these guys were on the front lines of challenging Covid hysteria when it happened. So how many of them got the shots & how many times? 😂
The title should be "... Repeat Conventional Narratives".
Because...? Sorry, but your narrative didn't explain.
@@larryparis925 For example, Ridley calls the Oct. 7 Hamas terrorists "rapists" despite the fact that reports of mass rape, beheaded babies and the like have been thoroughly debunked even in outlets like the New York Times that widely disseminated them initially. Hamas and its compatriots committed atrocities on Oct. 7, but mass rape and beheaded babies were not among them. The IDF also committed atrocities on Oct. 7 and has committed even more atrocities, by orders of magnitude, since. The Israeli state also committed atrocities before Oct. 7.
The panelists seem to think that "from the river to the sea" is only a slogan of mindless protesters who can't name the river or the sea when in fact it has been a central plank of the Likud Party platform since the seventies, as the party insists that all of the land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, particularly what it calls Judea and Samaria as well as the Gaza Strip, must always be under the sovereignty of a Jewish state. The panelists seem to know none of this, presumably because they only know the conventional narratives they repeat.
@@restonthewind OK, this context is great. Many thanks.
For example, Ridley calls the Oct. 7 Hamas terrorists "rapists" despite the fact that reports of mass rape, beheaded babies and the like have been thoroughly debunked even in outlets like the New York Times that widely disseminated them initially. Hamas and its compatriots committed atrocities on Oct. 7, but mass rape and beheaded babies were not among them. The IDF also committed atrocities on Oct. 7 and has committed even more atrocities, by orders of magnitude, since. The Israeli state also committed atrocities before Oct. 7.
The panelists seem to think that "from the river to the sea" is only a slogan of mindless protesters who can't name the river or the sea when in fact it has been a central plank of the Likud Party platform since the seventies, as the party insists that all of the land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, particularly what it calls Judea and Samaria as well as the Gaza Strip, must always be under the sovereignty of a Jewish state. The panelists seem to know none of this, presumably because they only know the conventional narratives they repeat.
Pretty much what I though.
I’m laughing my ass off at Matt Ridley.
So many takes here were terrible but the one that really stands out to me is ‘they are only famous because of the movies based on the books she wrote so they can’t speak out against JK Rowlings views’ nonsense.
It’s embarrassing how much of a conspiracy nutter Ridley has become.
Evidence? What did he actually say that could possibly justify this comment?
@@hexagram531 And their moral panic over “wokeism” is pretty funny as well. That Shermer deigns to treat known fabulist Christopher Rufp as a reliable source of anything is especially amusing in fact.
@@ggunnelspct So you still haven't answered my question. And whether "moral panic" over wokeism all depends on how you define or see "wokeism", doesn't it? Is suppression of free speech with cancel culture OK? Is positive discrimination really ever going to be any more helpful with race relations than negative discrimination? (Does burgling the house of a burglar have a positive effect on crime statistics?) Have you seen no reasoned objections to DEI ideas, in respect of competency for doing particular jobs being more important than skin colour? Is the surgical and chemical mutilation of an underage person with depression and anxiety or autism problems ever a "good idea" because they've been convinced by "social" media that the real root of their problems is that they "should have been" the other sex? No reason for "moral panic", seriously?
@@hexagram531 : I did answer your query. I was very clear my statement about the icrank in question. He’s a conspiracy minded nut job.
@@hexagram531 : What’s amazing is that Ridley wasn’t hounded out of all good society for having the gall to lambast bailouts and then seeking one for Northern Rock once his and fellow board members ran the bank into the ground. But concepts like accountability and judgment aren’t really things you’d expect from a guy like Ridley to take on.
I think there was far more claims than skepticism here. The claims lacked nuance. Bit disappointing.
I think Shermer editedd it himself. The background noise is very very terrible.
I'm a fan of Michael and Steven's work, but with all due respect this is such a 'boomer' conversation and extremely out of touch with reality. How can you not acknowledge that the Israeli government and military is quite literally attempting a genocide against Palestine? It is quite clear, and not at all "fringe" to say this -- I am a moderate liberal. If you do not agree with what I just said about the Israel/Palestine situation, you quite simply have not been following the news closely enough.
Do you not think that Israel has the right to defend herself? Faafo...
It's extremely fringe to be on the side of the terrorists. Sure some innocent people are dying; because radical islamists are using them as human shields. The blood is on the hands of Hamas, not Israel.
Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran want to genocide all Israelis and Netanyahu wants all the lands of Palestine. As long as those two entities are in power, there will be no peace.
If they are trying to commit genocide then they are failing miserably at it, when in reality they could wipe the area of the map in a heartbeat. Genocide is not their intention. You are the one who doesn't read the news and can't recognize the complexity of the situation.
53:10 One of the dumbest takes on AGI I've ever heard, what a linear mind not even comparing apples to apples. What does launching men into space have to do with AGI progress, as if it is a predictor.
it’s like watching a master class on how to bullshit for making money
Let me guess… didn’t get any higher education, did you?
@@karagi101 I love the sheeple’s confidence. I do, try again with yet another stupid ad hominem.
@@rezzob I didn’t see you present any points for your view.
@@karagi101 next time I check with you what my comment should be and how it should be written. but hey never let that beautiful confidence away, always assume you know someone without knowing them.
@@rezzob Not hard to tell just by your spelling and grammar. 😂
So much misinformation in this discussion. All three are on the decline. A real hit to Skeptic’s credibility.
he lost me at his harry potter lady defence. she is disgusting and was deservably canceled, and he took the most reasonable shit she said and claimed she was canceled merely for that, no she wasn't. and is now in legal trouble because she misgendered a CIS woman that was born female
The irony of you saying so with a "Je suis Charlie" profile pic is rich enough to top a cake.
@@enotdetcelfer not ironic at all. there is a huge difference. when you dont see it, you never understood Charlie
I hope she's not in legal trouble simply for misgendering someone, as that's pretty silly and scary to think about. I think it's more because her statements are considered slander? Which I can get behind. Admittedly, that person does look very masculine, so I can understand the confusion these times bring. But now that it seems she isn't, should admit mistake, apologize, and move on. But of course, nobody in these fights ever wants to do that because 'the cause' and appearance of strength and being right is more important than truth & civil human interactions, ugh.
@@ActionAlligator they call it cyberbullying. the campaign against her was insane.
I am sorry but this talk was meaningless in some parts…I expected these three to talk more according to the current data and facts about the war….if they do not know, they could simply avoid saying terrible ideas or what they think is true… they could have said I am not an expert on that …
They did not mention thousands of people were killed by Israeil and now I am also skeptic about it …. Yes Hamas started the war but many innocent people of Palestine were killed after that and the war still continues….
Pro Israeli is way far from my expectations of these elite people!
So frustrating ….
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PINKER'S INTUITION OF PROGRESS ABOUT LESS WARS AND POVERTY WOULD DISPEL IF NUCLEAR WAR BREAKS OUT OR A CLIMATE (OR NATURAL RESOURCES DEPLETION) CATASTROPHE OCCURS. SO IT MIGHT JUST BE THAT "PROGRESS" IN SCIENCE AND THE ECONOMY MIGHT TURN OUT TO BE FATAL.