Thanks for the primer. I have done a LOT of solar installs. Now I have to reroof my own house. It is a 50 degree A frame. This is a great excuse to buy more climbing gear. Good times ahead!
@@burner5673 I ended up not having to reroof it. The house burned in the Caldor Fire in August of '21. I do have my climbing racks fully geared, though!
New home owner trying to learn how to safely get on my roof to do some basic stuff. This really helps out. Are there any PERMANENT Roof Anchors that I could leave and would last through inclement weather and still be safe for a few years?
Would it be ok to leave a 'temporary' roof anchor in place long term? Will it stay waterproof? I often help my elderly parents clean roof, gutters, etc, I'd like to put one of these up and leave it; would that be ok :?
Not to sound critical...but why not just install a permanent one so the next guy on that roof doesn't have to go through all that? I feel like millions of homes would have permanent anchors within a year if everyone who uses temporary would switch to permanent.
That's not a bad idea. They should add that to the roofing section of state building codes: roof must have a permanent safety anchor for every "X amount" feet of ridge line.
@@forshigity5000 If there is a code that states it must be installed so and so, why not? Do you trust your rope line to hold you? Or your harness? You could easily check by checking the nails, and if there is a ridge board or rafter that its nailed into.
I'd feel more secure installing one each time rather than expecting that the one installed 4 years ago hasn't experienced some kind of wear that makes it faulty now.
they sell permanent anchors for roofs as well, just get one of those and install it and you have a permanent roof anchor. they're not too spendy. cheers.
how are you guys able to get all the nails/screws in straight like that on the rafters? most rafters are 2x... so 1.5", but the span from left most hole to the right most hole is more than 1.5".
Georgia Hunter I didn't mess around - I put mine in the joist. It was easier to find than I thought by tapping the hammer along the roofline until it sounded solid.
If you hit a rafter, you can do with just a few nails on each side. Without a rafter, a dozen nails like shown would be my minimum. In older houses, the roofing lumber is also much thicker than plywood used today, so hitting a rafter on an old roof also isn't as important.
No, because the anchor or nails will deteriorate while exposed to the weather. This is strictly a temporary system. Permanent anchors, however, can be left in. They are installed differently.
@@johnd942 That is exactly what he did and said he was going to do. Some people watch instructional videos but don't listen to all the instructions. SMH
Believe me, going up on any roof is dangerous. That said, going up and sitting on the ridge line isn't the scary part. Installing something on the edge of the roof line for an hour while 40 ft up is, and you'll be thankful to have that harness on.
Tie one end of your safety line to the back of your buddies truck and make sure it’s solid like the ball or receiver. Throw the other end carefully over the roof and now you have a proper fall restraint. Notice! Make sure you do this right before 12pm or 5pm then quickly rope in, wait for your buddies lunch or dinner, and yell when you’ve reach the peak of the roof.
I try to find a rafter or truss to secure the D-ring. I also use screws instead of nails. Caulking the nails after replacing the cap shingles l also do
You don't want to put holes through your top shingle, if you don't have too , and then rely on a dabs of sealant to seal When you can just not damage your top shingle , will all those nails holes
@@das250250 These anchors come with very specific nails to be used it them. Generally speaking nails have more sheer strength, but there are structural screws that are better then decking screws etc. However you'd be going against what the manufacturer says, and this could be a life saving device. I'm in the process of getting my 12/12 pitch garage roofed, and as much as screws would be so much more convenient, I'll be sticking with the nails.
I have always found it strange that you have to put yourself in a falling position 2 times! You have to climb up with no safety and install the bracket. When your done you need to remove the bracket without any safety device.
@@motoace2007 a ridge hook ladder to get up there or be able to tie off on the ground or tree on the opposite side of the house so you can put a tie off on the roof. But OSHA doesn’t want you to do either, so they want you to go up there without anything, and get back down without anything when the job is done.
The mfg's reqs. for my anchor are different depending on whether nailing into the truss or not, i.e., yeah, no truss you are supposed to be doubling up on the nails
Actually this is partially wrong, the anchor seen in the video has the instructions written on it. In order for the anchor to achieve 5000 pound hold: 3M "Anchor must be fastened to the roof structure using a minimum of 10 #8x2" screws, or 16d 3" double head nails, in the center row of holes securing the Reusable Roof Anchor to the roof rafter." DBI-Sala " Position the anchor on the roof such that the 12 nail holes along the center of the legs are over (framing) member. Then, push down to minimize any gap between the anchor and the sheathing and nail. Use only 16d nails to install the anchor (six per leg into the rafters and sheathing). Install all 12 nails. If the roof anchor is not installed properly, it will not hold the rated loads and serious injury or death could occur.
WARNING: People can die just hanging in a harness if they are not putting pressure somehow on their feet or otherwise using their leg muscles to squeeze blood out of their legs. The presence of heavy gear belts is not helpful. It IS a known problem, even if it is not common. You can't predict who it will happen to. It can happen quickly, with no warning. Tragic outcomes have happened when people had fallen and were "safely" hanging from their harness awaiting recovery. One means of reducing risk is to have two recovery plans. One self-recovery plan and one for others to recover the fallen person. The other key is to NOT hang for 10-15 minutes. If someone is hanging and can't plant their feet on something, promptly recover them. I never heard of this problem until I was reading about roofing harnesses and OSHA regs. However, as they say, safety regulations are written in blood. Also, solitary roofers should be careful to have a REALISTIC recovery plan. Hanging by a harness, ESPECIALLY from a back D-ring, can be challenging situation to escape if you can't climb up or let yourself down. I am a former rock climber and I can see how getting back over the lip of a gutter could be a problem for some people , especially when hanging from the back. I can't imagine recovery from a hanging position supported at the back.
Never heard this before. Thanks. I had to look long and hard for a harness with a D-ring in front. I have an arborist saddle, and the rope always connects in the front, which makes more sense to me.
When he drops those nails he has to whack it a bit to get through the sheathing, then with the nail half way in, all it seems to take is a tap to get all the way in. Easy in, easy out? I wouldn't trust it.
Putting the roof anchor solely into the roof decking, not hitting the actual rafters. Isnt proper. If you were to fall it would rip it right out. Always, always put the nails into a rafter. I use 3" spiral nails. I weigh 210 lbs, no way in hell am I trusting my life on 4" nails just in half inch decking. Also. Why the hell does it look like your lanyard is tied off to you hammer loop? I get putting it on the d rings by your side if you know how to keep your rope tight. But that will rip right out if you were to fall
Safety sucks no doubt about it, more time, more effort and less work gets done. But becoming paraplegic sucks more. One day that PPE may save your life, but only if you use it. Think about it sitting in you box while your in the hospital. 23 years been lucyk(knocks on wood) as a sparky I did not come up wearing gear and have a hard time even remembering safety glasses. Check this www.donniesaccident.com and see if you sound like Donnie, I know I do.
6 years later and this guy is still helping people , thanks man!
thanks, you nailing it in the rafter or plywood
Leave it to an Oregonian. I finally found this after searching a bunch. Thanks man.
Thanks for the primer. I have done a LOT of solar installs. Now I have to reroof my own house. It is a 50 degree A frame.
This is a great excuse to buy more climbing gear.
Good times ahead!
How'd you go?
How’d you go?
@@burner5673 I ended up not having to reroof it. The house burned in the Caldor Fire in August of '21.
I do have my climbing racks fully geared, though!
Awesome video, you answered all of my questions with just one session. Great job and THANK YOU!
New home owner trying to learn how to safely get on my roof to do some basic stuff. This really helps out. Are there any PERMANENT Roof Anchors that I could leave and would last through inclement weather and still be safe for a few years?
Yes
Hey, did you ever find an answer to this? What solution did you come up with to safely get onto your roof?
Thank you greatly for the precise steps and reasons why.
Excellent video, exactly what I needed to know, thank you!
Would it be ok to leave a 'temporary' roof anchor in place long term? Will it stay waterproof? I often help my elderly parents clean roof, gutters, etc, I'd like to put one of these up and leave it; would that be ok :?
Just cover the entire anchor and ridgecap in roof cement and it'll be waterproof.
Not to sound critical...but why not just install a permanent one so the next guy on that roof doesn't have to go through all that? I feel like millions of homes would have permanent anchors within a year if everyone who uses temporary would switch to permanent.
That's not a bad idea. They should add that to the roofing section of state building codes: roof must have a permanent safety anchor for every "X amount" feet of ridge line.
What would you charge to install an roof anchor?
Because i'm not going to trust an anchor some says is "good"
@@forshigity5000 If there is a code that states it must be installed so and so, why not? Do you trust your rope line to hold you? Or your harness? You could easily check by checking the nails, and if there is a ridge board or rafter that its nailed into.
I'd feel more secure installing one each time rather than expecting that the one installed 4 years ago hasn't experienced some kind of wear that makes it faulty now.
Could you leave the anchor in for future use? Like hanging Christmas lights or cleaning out gutters for example?
they sell permanent anchors for roofs as well, just get one of those and install it and you have a permanent roof anchor. they're not too spendy. cheers.
Christmas light installation causes more roof damage than it is worth . So many repair jobs have been because of people going up on the roofs .
Should we nail into truss for safety sakes?
Thank you brother!
how are you guys able to get all the nails/screws in straight like that on the rafters? most rafters are 2x... so 1.5", but the span from left most hole to the right most hole is more than 1.5".
Thanks a Ton for your expertise and high-quality video!
I've seen a roofer use double-headed (duplex) nails, which makes removal easy.
"Form nails" they are designed for concrete forms which are always taken back apart
Most anchors come with them now but as a roofer i drop plenty of nails and use what i got
is this the same procedure for a permanent anchor?
Can these anchors be just left in permanently?
Very helpful! Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Thank you for this lesson!
Are roof anchors temporary? I've seen them left in place.
Great video.. clear and simple.
I was installing an atenna on my roof I wanted to keep my anchor up there permanently should I just go over the roof cap and seal it all up ?????
Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
Excellent video.
Thank you for this video!
What is the OSHA approved way to get up to attach the anchor ?
How about screws instead of nails? Better? Worse?
Don't need to hit the joist? It's all held in by the roof decking?
Wondering the same thing. I'm 270 lbs.
Georgia Hunter I didn't mess around - I put mine in the joist. It was easier to find than I thought by tapping the hammer along the roofline until it sounded solid.
Shit I'm only 170lbs. and I would NEVER trust that thing if it wasn't nailed into a rafter.
If you hit a rafter, you can do with just a few nails on each side. Without a rafter, a dozen nails like shown would be my minimum. In older houses, the roofing lumber is also much thicker than plywood used today, so hitting a rafter on an old roof also isn't as important.
Can you just leave them there for future use? If yes, do you apply a roof caulk to cover the nails to prevent leaks??
No, because the anchor or nails will deteriorate while exposed to the weather. This is strictly a temporary system. Permanent anchors, however, can be left in. They are installed differently.
Just cover the entire anchor in roof cement and it'll be waterproof.
@@rlcl4913 it probably makes more sense since removing it you still left holes that need to be sealed.
Great Work!!!!
You should drive back in the nails before you put the sealent, hope that helps.
Didn't he insert the nails in a different spot and sealed up the old holes?
@@johnd942
That is exactly what he did and said he was going to do. Some people watch instructional videos but don't listen to all the instructions. SMH
Great video.
Thank you for this video.
no need to hit a rafter?
Great video. I learned a lot.
So what do you do when you 1 go up?... pray you dont fall trying to set this up?.... or when your done and on your way down...?
Believe me, going up on any roof is dangerous. That said, going up and sitting on the ridge line isn't the scary part. Installing something on the edge of the roof line for an hour while 40 ft up is, and you'll be thankful to have that harness on.
What is the name of the sealer you used in this RUclips video
how do you safely get to the top of a steep roof in order to do this?
Attach one end of the rope to your car then throw it over the roof.
Chicken meet egg.
@@doctorboy5892 LOL. What happens when your wife drives away?
Tie one end of your safety line to the back of your buddies truck and make sure it’s solid like the ball or receiver. Throw the other end carefully over the roof and now you have a proper fall restraint. Notice! Make sure you do this right before 12pm or 5pm then quickly rope in, wait for your buddies lunch or dinner, and yell when you’ve reach the peak of the roof.
I try to find a rafter or truss to secure the D-ring. I also use screws instead of nails. Caulking the nails after replacing the cap shingles l also do
screws are too brittle. If you fall you could rip all the heads off. We honestly do a 50 50 between screws and nails
@@johnrweiss
The screws l use are for flat roofs and I have never seen a head of a screw get broken off
@@jamesericksonsr1796 Those people who saw that may not like to comment here while sitting in wheelchair or somewhere else.
@@weip9328
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@@jamesericksonsr1796 How many people fall off of your roofs on average?
Makes it look easy! Thanks for the info
That and the editor.
You should've shown how to make sure it's in the stud!
Awesome thank you so much!
Where can I buy this anchor ?
Is it necessary to take off those top shingle layers? Or am I able to nail through all of them for my anchor?
It would be holes through the shingle and water could leak
@@eharris6347 why not use sealant of the holes in the shingles?
You don't want to put holes through your top shingle, if you don't have too , and then rely on a dabs of sealant to seal
When you can just not damage your top shingle , will all those nails holes
If I seal the nails, could I leave this installed long term?
Cover the entire bracket in roof cement.
This is that let me drag my ass as much as I can while I’m on the clock that’s what this is.
Thanks so much!
Thank you sir
Great video
Very informative video
Question - Why not screw the unit in so it can easily go in and be unscrewed and not damage or stress the actually steel anchor unit ?
Nails have a greater sheer strength.
@@wannabejeeper look up "Do Screws Shear easier than Nails?" in youtube project farm.. You might be surprised
@@das250250 These anchors come with very specific nails to be used it them. Generally speaking nails have more sheer strength, but there are structural screws that are better then decking screws etc. However you'd be going against what the manufacturer says, and this could be a life saving device. I'm in the process of getting my 12/12 pitch garage roofed, and as much as screws would be so much more convenient, I'll be sticking with the nails.
Where do you hook it to when you have a corrugated tin roof where they ain't no flat surface to nail to
They install a different anchor which uses the existing roof screws.
Hook it to your wife's butt plug.
I would only use 3" decking screws instead of the 16s but otherwise good tutorial
Why dont you nail the shngle that has most exposed for nailing it seem difficult to hold the shingle up while holding a nail and hammering it
Very helpful, thank you sir.
Looks good , I'd say , I'm not a roofer , thank god
Use heavy duty screws mate
Thank you I wanted to put up Christmas lights and I was scared to fall off the roof
Excellent thank you
Why not screws instead of nails?
I have always found it strange that you have to put yourself in a falling position 2 times! You have to climb up with no safety and install the bracket. When your done you need to remove the bracket without any safety device.
Please see my comments above.
What would you recommend instead?
@@motoace2007 a ridge hook ladder to get up there or be able to tie off on the ground or tree on the opposite side of the house so you can put a tie off on the roof. But OSHA doesn’t want you to do either, so they want you to go up there without anything, and get back down without anything when the job is done.
@@akaredcrossbow Makes perfect sense -- to a government agency.
No one ever twll the most important part of how to find where to put the anchor
Why not screws??
Less banging and easier to remove …🤷🏼♂️??
Most roofs have ridge vents now
You should be nailing into the truss, but I guess it's worked for you this long.
Definitely find the truss, nails where going into 1/2 inch plywood,!
The mfg's reqs. for my anchor are different depending on whether nailing into the truss or not, i.e., yeah, no truss you are supposed to be doubling up on the nails
Actually this is partially wrong, the anchor seen in the video has the instructions written on it. In order for the anchor to achieve 5000 pound hold: 3M "Anchor must be fastened to the roof structure using a minimum of 10 #8x2" screws, or 16d 3" double head nails, in the center row of holes securing the Reusable Roof Anchor to the roof rafter." DBI-Sala " Position the anchor on the roof such that the 12 nail holes along the center of the legs are over (framing) member. Then, push down to minimize any gap between the anchor and the sheathing and nail. Use only 16d nails to install the anchor (six per leg into the rafters and sheathing). Install all 12 nails. If the roof anchor is not installed properly, it will not hold the rated loads and serious injury or death could occur.
You first lol
WARNING: People can die just hanging in a harness if they are not putting pressure somehow on their feet or otherwise using their leg muscles to squeeze blood out of their legs. The presence of heavy gear belts is not helpful. It IS a known problem, even if it is not common. You can't predict who it will happen to. It can happen quickly, with no warning. Tragic outcomes have happened when people had fallen and were "safely" hanging from their harness awaiting recovery. One means of reducing risk is to have two recovery plans. One self-recovery plan and one for others to recover the fallen person. The other key is to NOT hang for 10-15 minutes. If someone is hanging and can't plant their feet on something, promptly recover them.
I never heard of this problem until I was reading about roofing harnesses and OSHA regs. However, as they say, safety regulations are written in blood.
Also, solitary roofers should be careful to have a REALISTIC recovery plan. Hanging by a harness, ESPECIALLY from a back D-ring, can be challenging situation to escape if you can't climb up or let yourself down. I am a former rock climber and I can see how getting back over the lip of a gutter could be a problem for some people , especially when hanging from the back. I can't imagine recovery from a hanging position supported at the back.
Never heard this before. Thanks. I had to look long and hard for a harness with a D-ring in front. I have an arborist saddle, and the rope always connects in the front, which makes more sense to me.
Or just use double decker nails. makes removal easy
When he drops those nails he has to whack it a bit to get through the sheathing, then with the nail half way in, all it seems to take is a tap to get all the way in. Easy in, easy out? I wouldn't trust it.
Looks like some of them in the outer holes missed the truss. Fortunately, in my home, I can go into the attic where it's all within reach.
When the roof sealant was apply to the nails he missed the nail heads.
He was covering the old holes, not the new nails. I suppose the nails are supposed to seal themselves. I am not sure though.
He was sealing the old nail holes. The new nails don't need to be sealed because they're covered by the shingles.
thanks u know ur shit
Stodoys is nice for that.
there must be a better way
Putting the roof anchor solely into the roof decking, not hitting the actual rafters. Isnt proper. If you were to fall it would rip it right out. Always, always put the nails into a rafter. I use 3" spiral nails. I weigh 210 lbs, no way in hell am I trusting my life on 4" nails just in half inch decking.
Also. Why the hell does it look like your lanyard is tied off to you hammer loop? I get putting it on the d rings by your side if you know how to keep your rope tight. But that will rip right out if you were to fall
There’s no point if you don’t nail it down to the studs
Never trust a roofer with a claw hammer
Y is that
Never use a screw. The shear strength is not even close to the 16 or your duplex nails.
lmao
I hate fall arrest. so much extra work, just to do your actual work
That one time u slip, could save u from serious injury or death, the older you get the less chances u want to take!
Safety sucks no doubt about it, more time, more effort and less work gets done. But becoming paraplegic sucks more. One day that PPE may save your life, but only if you use it. Think about it sitting in you box while your in the hospital. 23 years been lucyk(knocks on wood) as a sparky I did not come up wearing gear and have a hard time even remembering safety glasses. Check this www.donniesaccident.com and see if you sound like Donnie, I know I do.