@@seafooddiablo5686that is one part of it. Kids and young reckless adults on entry level jobs used to be able to afford cool cars they wanted. Now, we simply can't. The other part is, instead of keeping prices low to accommodate the target market, manufacturers are forced to comply with sticter and stricter emissions regulations and safety standards, shoving tons of technology and sensors onto these cars, making them expensive to maintain, and constantly driving prices up. "I don't need these backup sensors, I know how to use a mirror" uh, too bad. They have to have the sensors on them now to increase safety rating. Buy an old car, and cherish it. This has been a small trend in the auto community forever, but now more than ever, it's become a necessity, and eventually, possibly a privilege, and a lost art. Until you can't find a car with a manual transmission, or without obd2, or a locked ECU.
This^ 100%. We desperately need a trend in the car market that gets rid of unnecessary tech and allows for cheaper cars. Hell thats how we got the Neon SRT4, Cobalt SS, Fist/Focus ST and plenty of other fun cars. Why the hell would the Mustang consumer need 3 ipads stuck to the dash that can emulate the SVT Cobra or whatever it is? They’re tacking on features that nobody asked for. There are no more barebones manual cars anymore, hence why we see C5s and C6s jumping in price
Price isn’t the biggest problem it’s the quality your getting for the price that’s the issue the market is changing a lot car companies are moving in a direction to where practicality is more profitable than performance and quality you’ll buy a brand new car now that won’t even last you 50-80k without serious issues (I’m just generalizing ik there’s a bunch of factors that come into play) when you’re financing a car which is the second largest purchase most people make there’s not much justifying the cost for everything and they nickle n dime you for warranties as well
It is the price. 65k to 70k for a nismo z or an s650 when you can get a higher end truck for the same price which would someone go with. Practicality or speed. In the 2000s, v6 mustangs were everywhere because they were affordable. An ecoboost being 35k to 40k in this time period doesn't seem practical to the average consumer. Sports cars are getting phased out to the retirement class
i love this typa content drew i’ve been watching sense when you first coyote swapped, you should bring back more working on cars and videos strictly racing, all love keep up what your doing
I really enjoy this series feels like we aren't talking to a character but the real Drew as if we was just homies chatting it up love the series Drew 💪
its crazy how companies like subaru go back and their word and release an sti, only to have it be cvt only and make only 500 of them, and then companies like these have the AUDACITY to ask why do sports cars not sell.. like lets just look at this rq the supra is a rebadged ugly BMW with fake side intake and its only redeeming factor is the manual the civic type r's price starts with a 4 and not a 3 the integra is just a fatter civic type r w the 400z is literally a refreshed 370z with more electronic disconnect from the driving experience and the nismo doesn't even come with a manual the m3 and m4 have become more like the m5 and the m6 grand coupe both in size and price the camaro is dead the challenger/charger is dead the ecu is getting harder and harder to tune as laws crack down harder and harder on aftermarket mods/bolt-ons. the new wrx is worse than its predecessor in every way possible the only thing that changed about the GTR is its price the c63's don't have v8's or God even v6's the focus and fiesta is dead cheap 911's and caymans don't sell cause they are overpriced, and the ones that can afford them just buy the gt3's/gt4's and the turbos the evo is LONG dead the small sleeper sedan and hatchbacks are a dying breed because American CAFE laws kill anything that is not the size of a tank. and I can go on and on and on, like bruh everything is strangling fun cars INCLUDING THE MANUFACTURERS THEMSELVES its not all bad though, Cadillac ct's with the v8 and v6 still going hard, the miata is still the miata, the m340i is basically the true m3, the corvette is still the peoples supercar, the mustang still has a v8, the elantra N and the whole N division exist, toyota still have the amazing gr86 and gr corolla, plus the is350, and some other few positives. But in my personal opinion, there's very little good options for a brand-new sports car rn.
This is actually very true in my opinion. The Mitsubishi 3000GT & Eclipse never sold that well some people don't realize. Cars like the 5th and 6th Gen Toyota Celica did not sell that well either. I used to own a really clean 6th Gen Toyota Celica 5 years ago, it was a 1997 Red GT Liftback. I loved that car, but finding one on Craigslist or even one in good condition, you don't ever see many of them, same with the Mitsubishi Eclipse. Unfortunately, the transmission on that car blew, and I ended up selling the car. I used to own a 1994 LS Acura Legend coupe, I love those cars also, but you never see that many of them for sell. Mainly the ugly 4 doors but for a 2 door coupe that was pushing 230Hp that was front wheel drive it was stupid fast. That type 2 motor in those old Acura Legend coupes are no Slouch 😅
@@hydrohyperdrive8443 You tell people the MK4 supra didn't sell very well and the MKV sold better, and their head explodes. All these cars were expensive, and people still want commuter cars and at the end of the day that's what makes money and sells like crazy.
@CrimsonRequiem1 Yes, this is very true, but it does make me really mad that Toyota discontinued the "Yaris in North America & Honda discontinued the "Fit. Toyota did this so they could push selling more Suv's and Crossovers, which I hate. New cars look so fat and bloated now. Being a young car enthusiast now is crap because there is not much to choose from. Seriously, most car manufacturers have discontinued all their cool vehicles and now have very small inventory to choose from. Then the cars they do keep get feeled with crazy tech that just raises the price insanely high, making it unaffordable to the average buyer. There was a time you could be a young guy and afford a reasonably new sports coupe, nowadays though, it seems that's fading away some what, but I could be wrong 🤷♂️
@@hydrohyperdrive8443 I DEFINITELY feel you on that one. The sports cars back in the day were “cheap” because it lacked modern features we have today which some are mandatory. The Yaris and Fit didn’t get discontinued because of brands pushing to SUV, it was just poor sales, Americans constantly want bigger vehicles loaded with tech and that’s why every manufacturer is giving because why listen to the minority. They’ll always listen to the people who have the money and will always buy it no matter what. People say they hate how everything is touch screen now but Tesla is selling like crazy (mostly because tax incentives lol) but consumer purchases tell the manufacturers what they want and it’s leaning towards SUV, and automatic cars. I was lucky enough to work with dealerships and drive pretty much everything and being priced out of both ends of the market is highly annoying. Newer cars are “expensive” so people move to the 90s sports cars rn eventually those get shot up in price and become unattainable. Sucks on both ends if the spectrum tbh. Best car right now to grab overall if you don’t mind rwd is the GR86.
The reason the Mustang isn't selling is because its 45k-60k for a GT and you can't tune it right now. Why would you spend that on a Mustang GT when you could get an S550 for less than half and modify it and the cars have basically identical performance. You can get a used M car for the same price as an S650 and you can modify them.
8:15 when you star talking abt locked ecu's. I think the main reason on why manufacturers don't make it a bit easier to mess with the computers is emissions. Emissions affect sales WAY more than "tunning capabilities", and resonating with the motorsport enthusiasts. Imagine if BMW released a B78, fuck it an imaginary new engine, and they said, hey this engine will have a completely customizable ecu, fully unlocked, just throw whatever fuel,air, spark adv, whatever parameters you want, adjust yourself and be happy. That whole engine generation will be scrapped immediately, they'll not even be able to sell in some countries especially USA, EU, China and other countries with remarkably strict with emission standards. And thats a imagine scenario for imported brands, we can only imagine how wrong and embarrassing it would be for ford to not comply with the emission standards and be prohibited to sell their vehicles in their own country. And remember, the new EPA rule for emissions that gets WAY more strict will start for 2027 model/year cars, so we have maybe 2 more years of fun before every new gas car became equipped standard with a lown mower engine. The only saving grace for car enthusiasts are renewable/synthetic fuels, and we're at least a decade away form having something like that available to the general public (meaning prepared for mass production/consumption)
One good reason is cars being "faster" and having a lot of handicaps. The fun isn't the results, it's the journey. Hence why foxbody guys have so much fun and s550 guys don't. R32 gtr vs drag race r35's. New bmw's vs something like an e36. It's mundane to the new buyers because the majority is done for everyone instead of ACTUALLY modifying and upgrading cars. Fbo, drag pack, e85 is a shitty build list. Vs fully built motor making 350hp, THEN add a turbo, then widebody, then bucket seats, custom paint, the whole 9 yards. It's more work but that's 90% of the fun part
I waited to get my S650 until a few months ago hoping we are closer to tuning. I already did a bunch of mods on the way to boost. I won't be thrilled if I'm stuck with getting a Whipple on pump gas next and that's it. The thing that eats at me the most is the speed limiter and no E85.
I think it’s more due to the fact 90%+ of the country simply can’t afford these overpriced brand new sports cars. All that dogsht inflation happening during the last 4 years that went up way higher than people’s pay wages and high interest rates have a lot more to do with this than tuning capabilities, being unique, or stuff like that.
Nah there's definitely people out there buying new cars every day despite the overpriced and broke claims. People are still leaning towards buying more economy cars like buying a fully loaded Camry or Prius. I worked with multiple dealerships don't let these people fool you.
I mean the new wrx is a decent option, may not be a “sports car” but still. Insane aftermarket support for power, cosmetics, suspension. Can make 300whp-450whp pretty damn easily. 400whp with awd and a manual would be pretty fun
Any sports car that does not have atleast a option for 3 pedals , then it is destined to fail , cuz regardless of straight line speed , a manual is way more connected and way funner to drive and way smoother on twisties as i have yet to see any auto keep up with constant up and down shifts in milla seconds that a experienced person can with a manual .. and thats 💯 .. never once have i heard a person say , "Oh, a new sports car ," "i hope it comes in automatic "😅, na its always us like , man , i hope they have a manual option .. i honestly feel that is going to be a downfall of most "sports" cars .. and mpg , fux that , i get smiles per gallon 😂.. and locked ecu's deff hurt and the fact that most cant run standalone on their daily like i can , hurts , cuz you can only take a build sofar without tuning it , well without make it go boom anyways ... peace and love all, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on..l8r famz and keep having fun all
I usually agree with you but M340i should count. 1 it’s a Beamer, 2. It had an M badge. Not claiming it’s a M car but it’s should still be considered “sports”
We’re going through a financial crisis that’s arguably as bad as if not worse than 2008. The car market is definitely worse. Most dealers are still acting like they can get away with markups like they did in 2020.
Lol lots of Dealers are still absolutely getting away with markups lol. If you won't buy it, some poor ignorant soul definitely will. People love to yell they're poor and can't afford anything, then will drop any amount of money on a fully loaded Toyota with every fee imaginable at any interest rate.
It’s ONLY price. Nothing more, nothing less. There’s a reason Mazda is the best selling brand right now…because they didn’t gouge prices and still have 20-30k cars with good quality. A base Mustang GT should never ever even kiss 50k no matter how many options you put on it. The Supra, 400z are laughably overpriced. Corvettes are the only “fair” priced car; maybe SS 1LE when they were available (I’m biased). Prices need to be adjusted 20-30%, but rest assured manufacturers rather go bankrupt than drop prices…
People cant buy them or they extremely overestimate their needs when it comes to practicality and trunk space mpg and these kinds of things so they buy crossovers or kids and personal problems and dillemas.(probably spelled it incorrectly)
Way too expensive, lower quality, and the purist driving experience craved by enthusiasts is being replaced by technology and features. It truly is a sad time to be a car enthusiast.
Like My parents say I should but a new car but a lot of cars in Australia are expensive cause they are imported now and all the Aussie cars brands are dead and a lot of the affordable ones are older
Do u think theoretically if they made a car with this exact engine with all wheel drive that’s a coupe do u think these will sell like hot cakes??😂 obviously depending on price if it’s on the more affordable side or semi affordable side
Bro considers a honda civic....a 4 door hatchback more of a sports car, than a 330i sedan? So why cant sedans be sports cars if they are faster and have better handling ? If it is a difference in weight the 330i is only heavier by 300lbs and that is because it does have a bigger engine and beefier suspension....
I have always loved the Z and really like how the 400 calls back to the earlier models. But what they are asking for it isn’t worth. For the base model until very recently dealers were asking over 50 grand for them.
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prices are the number 1 reason. why is a 2025 mustang gt msrp 50k when the 2014 gt500 msrp was 54k at the time. shit dumb af 🤦🏻♂️
You do realize 54k in 2014 is worth around $73k ish in 2025 right
@k8ty5.0 and that's the problem, since wages haven't kept up it feels so much harder to afford. Plus incentives for fun cars are basically 0 now.
@@seafooddiablo5686that is one part of it. Kids and young reckless adults on entry level jobs used to be able to afford cool cars they wanted. Now, we simply can't. The other part is, instead of keeping prices low to accommodate the target market, manufacturers are forced to comply with sticter and stricter emissions regulations and safety standards, shoving tons of technology and sensors onto these cars, making them expensive to maintain, and constantly driving prices up. "I don't need these backup sensors, I know how to use a mirror" uh, too bad. They have to have the sensors on them now to increase safety rating. Buy an old car, and cherish it. This has been a small trend in the auto community forever, but now more than ever, it's become a necessity, and eventually, possibly a privilege, and a lost art. Until you can't find a car with a manual transmission, or without obd2, or a locked ECU.
This^ 100%. We desperately need a trend in the car market that gets rid of unnecessary tech and allows for cheaper cars. Hell thats how we got the Neon SRT4, Cobalt SS, Fist/Focus ST and plenty of other fun cars. Why the hell would the Mustang consumer need 3 ipads stuck to the dash that can emulate the SVT Cobra or whatever it is? They’re tacking on features that nobody asked for. There are no more barebones manual cars anymore, hence why we see C5s and C6s jumping in price
Price isn’t the biggest problem it’s the quality your getting for the price that’s the issue the market is changing a lot car companies are moving in a direction to where practicality is more profitable than performance and quality you’ll buy a brand new car now that won’t even last you 50-80k without serious issues (I’m just generalizing ik there’s a bunch of factors that come into play) when you’re financing a car which is the second largest purchase most people make there’s not much justifying the cost for everything and they nickle n dime you for warranties as well
Ripping 2 farts not even a minute in is diabolical but I expected nothing less
Dealer mark-up is the number 1 reason
It is the price. 65k to 70k for a nismo z or an s650 when you can get a higher end truck for the same price which would someone go with. Practicality or speed. In the 2000s, v6 mustangs were everywhere because they were affordable. An ecoboost being 35k to 40k in this time period doesn't seem practical to the average consumer. Sports cars are getting phased out to the retirement class
“Affordable” sports cars having MSRPs above $50k might have something to do with it
i love this typa content drew i’ve been watching sense when you first coyote swapped, you should bring back more working on cars and videos strictly racing, all love keep up what your doing
Talk about brand loyalty and how everyone has to make it a rivalry instead of just enjoying the cars.
Toyota fans are the best example
Rivalry promotes innovation......
I just bought a subie to be next to my evo 😅
2 door entry level sports car production will be ended by 2030. This is my prediction.
I really enjoy this series feels like we aren't talking to a character but the real Drew as if we was just homies chatting it up love the series Drew 💪
I really like it too, but he really needs to add clips to show examples instead of watching him pace back and forth.
Drew for my lunch break, AWESOME, Be safe in California 💯😅
That's wild to read in central time 😅
its crazy how companies like subaru go back and their word and release an sti, only to have it be cvt only and make only 500 of them, and then companies like these have the AUDACITY to ask why do sports cars not sell.. like lets just look at this rq
the supra is a rebadged ugly BMW with fake side intake and its only redeeming factor is the manual
the civic type r's price starts with a 4 and not a 3
the integra is just a fatter civic type r w
the 400z is literally a refreshed 370z with more electronic disconnect from the driving experience and the nismo doesn't even come with a manual
the m3 and m4 have become more like the m5 and the m6 grand coupe both in size and price
the camaro is dead
the challenger/charger is dead
the ecu is getting harder and harder to tune as laws crack down harder and harder on aftermarket mods/bolt-ons.
the new wrx is worse than its predecessor in every way possible
the only thing that changed about the GTR is its price
the c63's don't have v8's or God even v6's
the focus and fiesta is dead
cheap 911's and caymans don't sell cause they are overpriced, and the ones that can afford them just buy the gt3's/gt4's and the turbos
the evo is LONG dead
the small sleeper sedan and hatchbacks are a dying breed because American CAFE laws kill anything that is not the size of a tank.
and I can go on and on and on, like bruh everything is strangling fun cars INCLUDING THE MANUFACTURERS THEMSELVES
its not all bad though, Cadillac ct's with the v8 and v6 still going hard, the miata is still the miata, the m340i is basically the true m3, the corvette is still the peoples supercar, the mustang still has a v8, the elantra N and the whole N division exist, toyota still have the amazing gr86 and gr corolla, plus the is350, and some other few positives. But in my personal opinion, there's very little good options for a brand-new sports car rn.
I don't think most sports cars ever sold well, even the ones in the past. Some sold well but majority of them didn't.
This is actually very true in my opinion. The Mitsubishi 3000GT & Eclipse never sold that well some people don't realize. Cars like the 5th and 6th Gen Toyota Celica did not sell that well either. I used to own a really clean 6th Gen Toyota Celica 5 years ago, it was a 1997 Red GT Liftback. I loved that car, but finding one on Craigslist or even one in good condition, you don't ever see many of them, same with the Mitsubishi Eclipse.
Unfortunately, the transmission on that car blew, and I ended up selling the car.
I used to own a 1994 LS Acura Legend coupe, I love those cars also, but you never see that many of them for sell. Mainly the ugly 4 doors but for a 2 door coupe that was pushing 230Hp that was front wheel drive it was stupid fast. That type 2 motor in those old Acura Legend coupes are no Slouch 😅
@@hydrohyperdrive8443 You tell people the MK4 supra didn't sell very well and the MKV sold better, and their head explodes. All these cars were expensive, and people still want commuter cars and at the end of the day that's what makes money and sells like crazy.
@CrimsonRequiem1 Yes, this is very true, but it does make me really mad that Toyota discontinued the "Yaris in North America & Honda discontinued the "Fit.
Toyota did this so they could push selling more Suv's and Crossovers, which I hate. New cars look so fat and bloated now. Being a young car enthusiast now is crap because there is not much to choose from. Seriously, most car manufacturers have discontinued all their cool vehicles and now have very small inventory to choose from. Then the cars they do keep get feeled with crazy tech that just raises the price insanely high, making it unaffordable to the average buyer.
There was a time you could be a young guy and afford a reasonably new sports coupe, nowadays though, it seems that's fading away some what, but I could be wrong 🤷♂️
@@hydrohyperdrive8443 I DEFINITELY feel you on that one. The sports cars back in the day were “cheap” because it lacked modern features we have today which some are mandatory. The Yaris and Fit didn’t get discontinued because of brands pushing to SUV, it was just poor sales, Americans constantly want bigger vehicles loaded with tech and that’s why every manufacturer is giving because why listen to the minority. They’ll always listen to the people who have the money and will always buy it no matter what. People say they hate how everything is touch screen now but Tesla is selling like crazy (mostly because tax incentives lol) but consumer purchases tell the manufacturers what they want and it’s leaning towards SUV, and automatic cars. I was lucky enough to work with dealerships and drive pretty much everything and being priced out of both ends of the market is highly annoying. Newer cars are “expensive” so people move to the 90s sports cars rn eventually those get shot up in price and become unattainable. Sucks on both ends if the spectrum tbh. Best car right now to grab overall if you don’t mind rwd is the GR86.
The reason the Mustang isn't selling is because its 45k-60k for a GT and you can't tune it right now. Why would you spend that on a Mustang GT when you could get an S550 for less than half and modify it and the cars have basically identical performance.
You can get a used M car for the same price as an S650 and you can modify them.
Yeah the locking is BS. When you buy the car it's yours, to do with as you wish.
Used to be
They did a revision to the supra in 2021 with the b58tu 6 port and upped the HP to 380
Came from factory with that son
My buddy got a b58 from 2020
@@Milk7lucky In the early models they had the 2 port design and switched to 6 port not too far after. idk exactly when
Its simple no one that wants a sports car either can't afford it or aren't will to pay that much for it.
48% of 2024 Supra sales were in manual? 3:14
25:02 Lexus RC F, Audi TTRS?
The only “sports car” I’ve seen a lot of potential with lately is the gr86
I read an article that said the GR86 outsold the BRZ, Supra, BMW Z4, and the Nissan Z, COMBINED
8:15 when you star talking abt locked ecu's. I think the main reason on why manufacturers don't make it a bit easier to mess with the computers is emissions. Emissions affect sales WAY more than "tunning capabilities", and resonating with the motorsport enthusiasts. Imagine if BMW released a B78, fuck it an imaginary new engine, and they said, hey this engine will have a completely customizable ecu, fully unlocked, just throw whatever fuel,air, spark adv, whatever parameters you want, adjust yourself and be happy. That whole engine generation will be scrapped immediately, they'll not even be able to sell in some countries especially USA, EU, China and other countries with remarkably strict with emission standards. And thats a imagine scenario for imported brands, we can only imagine how wrong and embarrassing it would be for ford to not comply with the emission standards and be prohibited to sell their vehicles in their own country. And remember, the new EPA rule for emissions that gets WAY more strict will start for 2027 model/year cars, so we have maybe 2 more years of fun before every new gas car became equipped standard with a lown mower engine. The only saving grace for car enthusiasts are renewable/synthetic fuels, and we're at least a decade away form having something like that available to the general public (meaning prepared for mass production/consumption)
One good reason is cars being "faster" and having a lot of handicaps. The fun isn't the results, it's the journey. Hence why foxbody guys have so much fun and s550 guys don't. R32 gtr vs drag race r35's. New bmw's vs something like an e36. It's mundane to the new buyers because the majority is done for everyone instead of ACTUALLY modifying and upgrading cars. Fbo, drag pack, e85 is a shitty build list. Vs fully built motor making 350hp, THEN add a turbo, then widebody, then bucket seats, custom paint, the whole 9 yards. It's more work but that's 90% of the fun part
I waited to get my S650 until a few months ago hoping we are closer to tuning. I already did a bunch of mods on the way to boost. I won't be thrilled if I'm stuck with getting a Whipple on pump gas next and that's it. The thing that eats at me the most is the speed limiter and no E85.
I think it’s more due to the fact 90%+ of the country simply can’t afford these overpriced brand new sports cars. All that dogsht inflation happening during the last 4 years that went up way higher than people’s pay wages and high interest rates have a lot more to do with this than tuning capabilities, being unique, or stuff like that.
Nah there's definitely people out there buying new cars every day despite the overpriced and broke claims. People are still leaning towards buying more economy cars like buying a fully loaded Camry or Prius. I worked with multiple dealerships don't let these people fool you.
I fuck with these videos heavy keep pushing them out drew
im starting to listen to these like its a podcast
Please don't stop making these
Switched from cars to bikes 🚲
But you make fun of a brz any chance you get
I read an article that said the GR86 outsold the BRZ, Supra, BMW Z4, and the Nissan Z, COMBINED
the others I can remember are the toyota 86 and gr rolla, and nd miata. Also, we need suzuki cars back in america
Alfa Romeo giulia quadrifoligo - still in line sorta non mainstream sports car (my dream car atm)
I’m deciding between into Camaro ss as or c6 gran sport or zo6
sporty CUV’s are a growing market and bare bones cheap hot hatches in Europe still sell well need to bring them abroad
Chevy sticks to their roots w the Corvette and they usually bump the HP give or take a few gens
Drew have you been watching Alejandro Flores?
I mean the new wrx is a decent option, may not be a “sports car” but still. Insane aftermarket support for power, cosmetics, suspension. Can make 300whp-450whp pretty damn easily. 400whp with awd and a manual would be pretty fun
what happened your truck? I havent seen it in awhile.
People are priced out of the sports car.
Hy with governments/corporations artificially inflating prices to covid prices it forces everything to be priced way more than it should. It's such bs
Any sports car that does not have atleast a option for 3 pedals , then it is destined to fail , cuz regardless of straight line speed , a manual is way more connected and way funner to drive and way smoother on twisties as i have yet to see any auto keep up with constant up and down shifts in milla seconds that a experienced person can with a manual .. and thats 💯 .. never once have i heard a person say , "Oh, a new sports car ," "i hope it comes in automatic "😅, na its always us like , man , i hope they have a manual option .. i honestly feel that is going to be a downfall of most "sports" cars .. and mpg , fux that , i get smiles per gallon 😂.. and locked ecu's deff hurt and the fact that most cant run standalone on their daily like i can , hurts , cuz you can only take a build sofar without tuning it , well without make it go boom anyways ... peace and love all, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on..l8r famz and keep having fun all
Also how manual cars are becoming fewer and fewer
People complain about it and simply just don't buy it
CrApple Sucks, and so do their users.
Jorked it to this one too
I usually agree with you but M340i should count. 1 it’s a Beamer, 2. It had an M badge. Not claiming it’s a M car but it’s should still be considered “sports”
If you want a lsd on the new z you have to pay an extra $10k. That’s stupid. That base should have came with a lsd.
We’re going through a financial crisis that’s arguably as bad as if not worse than 2008. The car market is definitely worse. Most dealers are still acting like they can get away with markups like they did in 2020.
Lol lots of Dealers are still absolutely getting away with markups lol. If you won't buy it, some poor ignorant soul definitely will. People love to yell they're poor and can't afford anything, then will drop any amount of money on a fully loaded Toyota with every fee imaginable at any interest rate.
What about the WRX?? The new STI is sadness.
trying to decide between an s550 or a c6 zo6 now that im done with my gen 1 mustang and my c3 corvette
C6 z06
C6 obviously
It’s ONLY price. Nothing more, nothing less.
There’s a reason Mazda is the best selling brand right now…because they didn’t gouge prices and still have 20-30k cars with good quality.
A base Mustang GT should never ever even kiss 50k no matter how many options you put on it. The Supra, 400z are laughably overpriced. Corvettes are the only “fair” priced car; maybe SS 1LE when they were available (I’m biased).
Prices need to be adjusted 20-30%, but rest assured manufacturers rather go bankrupt than drop prices…
I don't card about gas milage for my toy. If I got 5 miles to the gallon. We'll i have a 20 gallon tank. I'll fill it up before I come home lol.
People cant buy them or they extremely overestimate their needs when it comes to practicality and trunk space mpg and these kinds of things so they buy crossovers or kids and personal problems and dillemas.(probably spelled it incorrectly)
I see the new mustang everywhere tbh
What about the mark 7 gti with preformance pack 260 horsepower in a tiny torquey car for 20000
I read an article that said the GR86 outsold the BRZ, Supra, BMW Z4, and the Nissan Z, COMBINED
U can get a bmw m4 f82 for 30k slap a single turbo kit at it for 10k and be chilling at 600hp to the crank
Way too expensive, lower quality, and the purist driving experience craved by enthusiasts is being replaced by technology and features. It truly is a sad time to be a car enthusiast.
f80 m3 is her best bet very easy to tune and reliable and easy power
Like My parents say I should but a new car but a lot of cars in Australia are expensive cause they are imported now and all the Aussie cars brands are dead and a lot of the affordable ones are older
Come to my stupid town, everyone thinks a truck is better than a sports car 😅
SUV's everywhere now
Just get a supercharger on 91 it’ll be slow anyway 😉
Do u think theoretically if they made a car with this exact engine with all wheel drive that’s a coupe do u think these will sell like hot cakes??😂 obviously depending on price if it’s on the more affordable side or semi affordable side
I don’t know what ur talking about but where can u buy a C8 corvette for around 50 grand😂😂 I looked everywhere and I’m in New York there is nothing
Bro considers a honda civic....a 4 door hatchback more of a sports car, than a 330i sedan? So why cant sedans be sports cars if they are faster and have better handling ? If it is a difference in weight the 330i is only heavier by 300lbs and that is because it does have a bigger engine and beefier suspension....
My 3v was 11k thats how mustangs should be priced the s650 should not be 55k plus
That’s not happening. No profit with it being that cheap in this economy.
11k used lmao
Drew... have a seat brother... relax... your out of breath
It is the price 100% would i own a new z? I'd love to and would buy it right now, why don't i? Because it's too expensive to be worth it at all
Also Drew economy is pretty horrible lol rates are trash...
Inflation / crappy economy
Edit : i think the new z is bad ass .
I have always loved the Z and really like how the 400 calls back to the earlier models. But what they are asking for it isn’t worth. For the base model until very recently dealers were asking over 50 grand for them.
@bassplayer2011ify i understand, but to put it in perspective a 300zx t t new was 80k in today's money.
I bought a truck cause they ARE cooler then sports cars
You are the first person I've seen/heard that has made this statement. But thats what opinions are for!
Lmao prices. Why is it a corvette 110 msrp plus “market adjustment”. Or a 50k for a base mustang gt.