*THESE TWO* got so many things wrong about this film. It seems like they're dredging up memories from a viewing 30 years ago, and making assumptions based on that. And Tarantino making fun of Michael Mann cinematic cliches is rich. Every Tarantino film is one long repeat of his directing and writing cliches.
They unfortunately took out all the scenes that strongly hint at the two of them being proto vampires. They even trimmed off the ending where Glaeken is found alive in the bowels of the Keep, now mortal., as is shown by him now having a reflection when he looks into a pool of water.
Tarantino is way off in his assessment of the film, especially regarding Ian Mckellan's performance. No question that the film has its problems from the editing and re-editing, but it seems like his review is less about the merits of the film and more about him taking every opportunity crack a joke using often obscure cinema references. It gets old after the first ten minutes. (For those who haven't read the novel: Glaeken built the Keep centuries ago to imprison Molasar. The two are ancient enemies. Hence the connection with the talisman, which all the "crosses" are an image of, which prevented Molasar from leaving the Keep as well as preventing him from gaining his full strength. That is why Glaeken was alerted to his release. The priest brought Cuza, an expert on ancient Slavic languages, as a cover for getting Cuza and his daughter out of the concentration camp and to smuggle them out of Europe.)
Thanks for the background, i will have to read this book. The best story i heard for the Giza pyramid is that it was a KEEP for Marduk, i wonder what really inspired the source material?
"...his name is "Glaeken", which in German implies a clock-like regularity." German (me!) going: "Wuuut?" I mean, sure - it could be derived from "Glocken", which means "bells", but I don't see where it would suggest a "clock-like regularity"....
I loved Jurgen Prochnow's Woermann character, because he's not black and white "bad nazi". He's nuanced. He is indeed down with the German cause, and looks forward to being on the winning side of history, but he's not cruel nor does he treat jews or the villagers as disposable animals.
The other novels in the series are pretty good formte most part but the first remains the best of the bunch. Rasalom is at his best in the first novel.
The First book i read as a teen that I LOVED!! f Paul Wilson made some phenomenal novels. The Keep movie was a lot of Fun to Watch and I had no idea the movie came out until I saw it on HBO one day
Calling a WWII German soldier "good Nazi" is like calling an American soldier "good Republican". The Nazis were just a political party who were in government, not the armed forces. The regular non-fanatical armed forces were the Wehrmacht, whilst the fanatical and brutal part of the armed forces (here played by Gabriel Byrne) were the Waffen-SS. The Gestapo were a plain clothed secret police, rarely put in the field or seen donning uniforms. When they did wear a uniform it would've been a regular field grey SS uniform, not a black Waffen-SS uniform with the flared collar as seen in the movie. Also, I have to point out that technically, the film's wrong by giving the Waffen-SS the black uniform, because that's their dress uniform, not their BDUs. Their BDUs consisted of either field grey or camouflage, depending on the environment. In those mountains they'd almost certainly be dressed in camouflage with ponchos.
There isn't one, lol. Mann and Paramount hate the movie to this day, nobody gunna pay for it. Is there even a 'restored' cut available? Those 6 extra seconds would be a start.
@@jack-a-lopium ~ Apparently Mann was approached to do a Special Edition DVD in 2004, but they couldn't find the cut footage, so cancelled the release.
@@CastlesForEyes Interesting. And yeah, I know there is no extra footage. If you didn't know what I meant by 'restored' cut, I mean that there literally is 19 seconds (not 6 as i said) removed from every copy on streaming channels. It was removed in a cut which was supposed to make the film more understandable... it has the opposite effect. SWIM actually has those 19 seconds, so I know that they exist. I'd love a restored version, as I already have the butchered version from Amazon Prime.
I really only watched The Keep because it was directed by Michael Mann and featured Tangerine Dream, plus it had a pretty wild synopsis involving WWII crossed with gothic horror. The copy of The Keep I have is really grainy and grungy looking and the sound quality is not great either which always hurts my enjoyment, but I'm not sure if it's just my copy that looks this way. I really like the weird horror bits of the movie, especially where the ancient monster/ghost dude shows up with the crazy red lights coming out of his eyes/mouth, also Gabriel Byrne is great as an SS officer, but some of the parts with Robert Prosky (who was awesome in Thief) and Ian McKellen are really badly acted and kind of boring. It's just a very strange movie that got me wanting to read the book which I've heard is a million times better.
So we have Inglorious Bastards because Tarintino misunderstood Molasar was manipulating Kuza? Probably just the impetus for the idea but it's strange that he thought that was even on the table.
These guys really don't know what they're talking about. They obviously do not know that this based on a very good book. This movie does have issues. These guys are just wrong. WWII was in the 20th century. Mayfair Games made a rpg module not a board game.
I think rarely , very rarely. . it all came together with the Keep , not the least hands down most influencial on globe group as in Tangerine Dream doing a masterpiece soundtrack. . interesting Ho Wood disowned it . . not a dud note & the book it based on , not obvious in film , the one contained is a 'vampire' , cool in light of current affairs & resonates in a way perhaps not intended by brainwash CIA/Ho Wood
I'd buy that statement if it was Brett Ratner compared to Mann instead of Quentin, who has clearly proved himself worthy as a top-notch genre filmmaker at a high level.
@@kirkplissken8454 he's the American Uwe Boll. He makes deliberately cheesey movies with poor taste. The only difference is that people get high while watching his movies, so he gets better reviews.
@@jacobstaten2366 Both of your comments are so idiotic, implying you don't know the simplest things about the craft of movies to compare someone like this to Uwe Boll. Don't come commenting on RUclips when you've had one too many.
@@jacobstaten2366 That's bizarre... why would you even follow his career or watch an interview if he was analogous to Uwe Boll, lol? Ozploitation, maybe... not Boll :D
Captain Woerman played by Jurgen Prochnow was a Wermacht officer. Many Wermacht officers saw themselves as the true/honourable soldiers and often despised the SS and their methods. Major Kämpfer is SS, not Gestapo. This forms a major part of the conflict between Kämpfer and Woerman. The film is a mess for sure but it’s a glorious, dreamlike mess. Worth watching just for the stacked cast and the mad soundtrack.
Shoulda put Molasar in Inglorious Basterds :D Always wanted a version of the story where the Golem is set free to destroy the N war machine. Merry Christmas :D
Captain Woerman played by Jurgen Prochnow was a Wermacht officer. Many Wermacht officers saw themselves as the true/honourable soldiers and often despised the SS and their methods. Major Kämpfer is SS, not Gestapo. This forms a major part of the conflict between Kämpfer and Woerman. The film is a mess for sure but it’s a glorious, dreamlike mess. Worth watching just for the stacked cast and the mad soundtrack.
I loved The Keep. Molesar replies, “Where am I from? ……I am from you.” Chilling
Mann said of Molesar "he is 1% good, 99% pure power"
@@colmcq so molasar is a kind of atomic core..
"Son!?"
When Byrne finds all his men dead and disfigured, I legit got goosebumps
I liked it. Felt like a fever dream.
Having read the book you can tell how much was left on the cutting room floor. It really effects the good guys stories.
They can't in 1983 depict(technically) what the book say so this movie is a masterpiece on its own adaptation
My dad could not stopping talking about Thief when i was a kid. I remember he went to go see The Keep and was so pissed off about how shit it was…lol.
TANGERINE DREAM.......there is NO substitute.
(watch SORCERER!)
Yes! And Near Dark. And Legend. And Risky Business.
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And The Soldier. Parts of that soundtrack was adapted from cues from Thief.
1984's Flashpoint, a moody conspiracy thriller with a Tangerine Dream soundtrack
*THESE TWO* got so many things wrong about this film. It seems like they're dredging up memories from a viewing 30 years ago, and making assumptions based on that. And Tarantino making fun of Michael Mann cinematic cliches is rich. Every Tarantino film is one long repeat of his directing and writing cliches.
It's a shame this will never get a proper director's cut, or even a cleaned up version of the version released.
.... The book was VERY entertaining, and quite scary. A very ancient vampire, with a twist.
F. Paul Wilson actually wrote the original screenplay. They changed it so much he took his name off it. There is a remake coming.
They unfortunately took out all the scenes that strongly hint at the two of them being proto vampires. They even trimmed off the ending where Glaeken is found alive in the bowels of the Keep, now mortal., as is shown by him now having a reflection when he looks into a pool of water.
All I took from this conversation is Tarantino is oblivious to the fact this film is based on a book.
Tarantino is way off in his assessment of the film, especially regarding Ian Mckellan's performance. No question that the film has its problems from the editing and re-editing, but it seems like his review is less about the merits of the film and more about him taking every opportunity crack a joke using often obscure cinema references. It gets old after the first ten minutes.
(For those who haven't read the novel: Glaeken built the Keep centuries ago to imprison Molasar. The two are ancient enemies. Hence the connection with the talisman, which all the "crosses" are an image of, which prevented Molasar from leaving the Keep as well as preventing him from gaining his full strength. That is why Glaeken was alerted to his release. The priest brought Cuza, an expert on ancient Slavic languages, as a cover for getting Cuza and his daughter out of the concentration camp and to smuggle them out of Europe.)
Thanks for the background, i will have to read this book. The best story i heard for the Giza pyramid is that it was a KEEP for Marduk, i wonder what really inspired the source material?
The book explains all read it before watching it's a short novel you can do it in a couple of sessions it's a Vampiric story with a twist
Idk if id call it short heh.
I saw this movie at release I had just discovered Dungeons and Dragons and loved this movie back then.
Great film
McKellen had originally come up with a much more realistic accent, then Mann asked him to use the American accent. McKellen said this in an interview
"...his name is "Glaeken", which in German implies a clock-like regularity."
German (me!) going: "Wuuut?"
I mean, sure - it could be derived from "Glocken", which means "bells", but I don't see where it would suggest a "clock-like regularity"....
I was a PRODUCTION ASSISTANT on 'BAND OF THE HAND' ..!
ps: I also wrote 'THE BANKER' (1989 - starring Robert Forster)
D.A.
I loved Jurgen Prochnow's Woermann character, because he's not black and white "bad nazi". He's nuanced. He is indeed down with the German cause, and looks forward to being on the winning side of history, but he's not cruel nor does he treat jews or the villagers as disposable animals.
I’m reading the book now
Tell us if it's good when you're done. I might read it myself.
@@warlockofwordschannel7901 of course it's good.
@@srb9 excellent news!
@@warlockofwordschannel7901 it's the first of a series. I love the Keep book but did not read the others.
The other novels in the series are pretty good formte most part but the first remains the best of the bunch. Rasalom is at his best in the first novel.
He was ss not gestapo
If only we could watch the directors cut!
The First book i read as a teen that I LOVED!! f Paul Wilson made some phenomenal novels. The Keep movie was a lot of Fun to Watch and I had no idea the movie came out until I saw it on HBO one day
Loved this movie, It was Wonderfully Strange.
Romania was an ally of Germany in 1941, they were not occupied. But what can you do...
Calling a WWII German soldier "good Nazi" is like calling an American soldier "good Republican". The Nazis were just a political party who were in government, not the armed forces. The regular non-fanatical armed forces were the Wehrmacht, whilst the fanatical and brutal part of the armed forces (here played by Gabriel Byrne) were the Waffen-SS. The Gestapo were a plain clothed secret police, rarely put in the field or seen donning uniforms. When they did wear a uniform it would've been a regular field grey SS uniform, not a black Waffen-SS uniform with the flared collar as seen in the movie. Also, I have to point out that technically, the film's wrong by giving the Waffen-SS the black uniform, because that's their dress uniform, not their BDUs. Their BDUs consisted of either field grey or camouflage, depending on the environment. In those mountains they'd almost certainly be dressed in camouflage with ponchos.
I want to see the director’s cut.
Yeah, since I read the book I knew what was going on but the theatrical edit is a mess, I assume from studio interference.
Yes!!
There isn't one, lol. Mann and Paramount hate the movie to this day, nobody gunna pay for it.
Is there even a 'restored' cut available? Those 6 extra seconds would be a start.
@@jack-a-lopium ~ Apparently Mann was approached to do a Special Edition DVD in 2004, but they couldn't find the cut footage, so cancelled the release.
@@CastlesForEyes Interesting. And yeah, I know there is no extra footage.
If you didn't know what I meant by 'restored' cut, I mean that there literally is 19 seconds (not 6 as i said) removed from every copy on streaming channels.
It was removed in a cut which was supposed to make the film more understandable... it has the opposite effect.
SWIM actually has those 19 seconds, so I know that they exist.
I'd love a restored version, as I already have the butchered version from Amazon Prime.
Great Film...a little slow at times but Brilliant nonetheless ❤
Always fun to listen to the OAK.
And the REGISTRATIOR
It was inevitable Quentin Tarantino would be a legendary writer/director. Inevitable.
I really only watched The Keep because it was directed by Michael Mann and featured Tangerine Dream, plus it had a pretty wild synopsis involving WWII crossed with gothic horror. The copy of The Keep I have is really grainy and grungy looking and the sound quality is not great either which always hurts my enjoyment, but I'm not sure if it's just my copy that looks this way. I really like the weird horror bits of the movie, especially where the ancient monster/ghost dude shows up with the crazy red lights coming out of his eyes/mouth, also Gabriel Byrne is great as an SS officer, but some of the parts with Robert Prosky (who was awesome in Thief) and Ian McKellen are really badly acted and kind of boring. It's just a very strange movie that got me wanting to read the book which I've heard is a million times better.
So we have Inglorious Bastards because Tarintino misunderstood Molasar was manipulating Kuza? Probably just the impetus for the idea but it's strange that he thought that was even on the table.
it's obvious that Tarantino is stupid.
These guys really don't know what they're talking about. They obviously do not know that this based on a very good book. This movie does have issues. These guys are just wrong. WWII was in the 20th century. Mayfair Games made a rpg module not a board game.
I think rarely , very rarely. . it all came together with the Keep , not the least hands down most influencial on globe group as in Tangerine Dream doing a masterpiece soundtrack. . interesting Ho Wood disowned it . . not a dud note & the book it based on , not obvious in film , the one contained is a 'vampire' , cool in light of current affairs & resonates in a way perhaps not intended by brainwash CIA/Ho Wood
Whoever' got the Keep in VHS. Worth over $200😊
I love Tarantino but I liked The Keep. I like many movies he dislikes. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Quinten Tarantino discuss Michael Mann is like having Steven Segal discuss Bruce Lee.
I'd buy that statement if it was Brett Ratner compared to Mann instead of Quentin, who has clearly proved himself worthy as a top-notch genre filmmaker at a high level.
@@kirkplissken8454 he's the American Uwe Boll. He makes deliberately cheesey movies with poor taste. The only difference is that people get high while watching his movies, so he gets better reviews.
@@jacobstaten2366One of the dumbest comments I've ever read.
@@jacobstaten2366 Both of your comments are so idiotic, implying you don't know the simplest things about the craft of movies to compare someone like this to Uwe Boll. Don't come commenting on RUclips when you've had one too many.
@@jacobstaten2366 That's bizarre... why would you even follow his career or watch an interview if he was analogous to Uwe Boll, lol?
Ozploitation, maybe... not Boll :D
I did like the movie, but why the hell they didn't just stick to the book, which is FAR superior.....
Thought Tarantino would've been all over this flick. Yes it's a mess but it's an interesting film all the same and I'd watch this over Thief any day.
You'd watch The Keep before Thief any day? Lol The Keep is interesting, but sucked compared to Thief.
Captain Woerman played by Jurgen Prochnow was a Wermacht officer. Many Wermacht officers saw themselves as the true/honourable soldiers and often despised the SS and their methods. Major Kämpfer is SS, not Gestapo. This forms a major part of the conflict between Kämpfer and Woerman.
The film is a mess for sure but it’s a glorious, dreamlike mess. Worth watching just for the stacked cast and the mad soundtrack.
The book was better but I enjoyed the movie also
A strange and beautiful fiasco.
tried to watch it, turned it off
'Mann works best when he's dealing with the 20th century' Err. WW2 was in the 20th century ffs! Tarantino talks sense and shit in equal measure.
Shoulda put Molasar in Inglorious Basterds :D
Always wanted a version of the story where the Golem is set free to destroy the N war machine.
Merry Christmas :D
They look like dont know nothing about the movie or the book.
the worlds most over rated director.
Sorcerer was garbage.
Hahahahahaha
I liked it. Blood looks fake in a shooting scene.
I juat re-watched this movie!!! I suppose thats why i got this recommendation.
Captain Woerman played by Jurgen Prochnow was a Wermacht officer. Many Wermacht officers saw themselves as the true/honourable soldiers and often despised the SS and their methods. Major Kämpfer is SS, not Gestapo. This forms a major part of the conflict between Kämpfer and Woerman.
The film is a mess for sure but it’s a glorious, dreamlike mess. Worth watching just for the stacked cast and the mad soundtrack.