This is the best Schoenberg I've heard. The expressive ambiguous tonality but still tonality. A step beyond what Strauss had done tonally with Salome. The way he disguises tonality and then comes in witha surprising cadence. This could easily become a favorite.
"In fifthty years, this piece will be performed everywhere!" - Schönberg "So, maestro, why play it right now?" - heard by one of the orchestra's musicians
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Looking back it was the two Chamber Symphonies that allowed me to experience the sheer beauty of an atonal composition. This piece always felt like a medley, or perhaps a stream of consciousness piece, announcing to the world, that a beautiful prose work of the greatest musical significance and sheer joy, compressed into one movement full of grandeur and sweeping emotion, without all of the structure and verbose gestures that run through five and six movement symphonies or symphonic poems lasting two three and even four times in duration, could be achieved. More simply stated: it's awesome.
This chamber symphony is indeed a masterwork, but its virtue is its dense contrapunctal conception, which can be differentiated by the various instruments of the chamber orchestra. Due to this dense polyphony, several auditions seem me necessary to have in mind the main themes and identify them in the polyphony. It is a chance to have this excellent version on RUclips to do that.
I agree. I believe this is one of the most difficult piece that Schoenberg wrote. Berg, following the Adorno statement, used to complaine about the simplicity of the formal design of the first Schoenberg's dodecafônic compositions. But we know that Schoenberg raised the complexity of the formal design from the dodecafonic pieces as well.
incredible, I'm listening to webern and berg, eating breakfast, and all of a sudden, midstream, the channel changes, and my poor subconscious mind starts blabbering to my conscious mind, which was busy reading, and starts blabbing, hey this is good music but not berg or webern, conscious mind has to actually go and look at the title,...oh its schoenberg.
12 tone music CAN be beautiful too??????? NO!! 12 tone music IS beautiful (just misunderstood) and, as it has been pointed out, this is not 12 tone music
When I first began listening to 2nd Viennese school stuff I was a bit disappointed by how normal it sounded to me. But there is still a lot of good stuff.
Right. Ain't twelve-tone, not nearly. Regular tonal based on chords of the fourth, as AS called them. But you're right about atonality being overlooked, as this isn't atonal either.
If I was a masochist I would. Or if i would enjoy music for it's mere academical merit. I'm listening now a lot to the vocal works by Hasse, a composer until recently unknown to me, and the more conventional pleasure that gives me is far preferable. Listened and re-listened to other pieces of Schoenberg this year and apart from the opening sequence of the Gurrelieder (first 6-7 minutes) nothing that could charm me. But I surely enjoy the feeling of relief that I'm done with his music.
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Actually it's just cultural, and you don't have to understand the complexity of the music to enjoy it. 2:52 -> do you really feel enxiety here ? Anyway, the composer was not like "I want to "make" that feeling", this is not an ambiance music or something, this is pure instrumental music ...
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I don't know how anyone could like this. Was Schonberg high drugs when he wrote this and a lot of his music. He's certainly not a composer in the same class as Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Ravel and many others. Not by a long shot. He should have left the composing to the real artist.
When perhaps you have composed works so great as Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Ravel may you come to defame another great composer's work. You are not required to like this, but it is truly foolish to decide that your own view is objective truth. This is not careless work, my friend.
No arguments or justification for your extremely ignorant affirmation, other than the classical “it sounds weird". Next time you're making such a ridiculous comparison give your points a base, otherwise you're just expressing an unjustified opinion no one gives a shit about
@@ha3vy scriabin also is weird but it maken sense, and it's beautifully constructed, like the poem of ecstasy, this is awful and doesnt make sense, it's so Bad, so unmelodic
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This is the best Schoenberg I've heard. The expressive ambiguous tonality but still tonality. A step beyond what Strauss had done tonally with Salome. The way he disguises tonality and then comes in witha surprising cadence. This could easily become a favorite.
One of the most exciting and beautiful pieces in musical history.
one of my favourite symphonies ,can listen to Schoenberg for hours.
Marvelous, a travel through wonder-land for grown-ups.
one of my favorite pieces by Schoenberg, wonderful rendition, many thx 4 sharing!
Me too. A bit complex because of the polyphonic density. A work like quartett III is much lighter in that aspect.
This remains the benchmark recording - so good
The world was not ready for Schoenberg, they may still not be: but, wow! This piece is amazing! The world is still not ready for this. AMAZING!!!
As at Van Gog cause.
"In fifthty years, this piece will be performed everywhere!" - Schönberg
"So, maestro, why play it right now?" - heard by one of the orchestra's musicians
+Amanda Kohn I am going to hear it live this month
hope you enjoy the concert, dear :)
Dieter Hildelbrandt, ''Der Roman des Klaviers im 19. und 20. Jahrhundert'', part II, chp IV
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Interprétation GÉNIALE, merci 🙏
One has to sigh when they realize this insanely brilliant compositionally virtuosic work was his opus 9
Looking back it was the two Chamber Symphonies that allowed me to experience the sheer beauty of an atonal composition. This piece always felt like a medley, or perhaps a stream of consciousness piece, announcing to the world, that a beautiful prose work of the greatest musical significance and sheer joy, compressed into one movement full of grandeur and sweeping emotion, without all of the structure and verbose gestures that run through five and six movement symphonies or symphonic poems lasting two three and even four times in duration, could be achieved. More simply stated: it's awesome.
But the Chamber Symphonies are both tonal...
Masterpiece
If this music don’t light your fire, your wood’s wet.
This chamber symphony is indeed a masterwork, but its virtue is its dense contrapunctal conception, which can be differentiated by the various instruments of the chamber orchestra. Due to this dense polyphony, several auditions seem me necessary to have in mind the main themes and identify them in the polyphony. It is a chance to have this excellent version on RUclips to do that.
I agree. I believe this is one of the most difficult piece that Schoenberg wrote. Berg, following the Adorno statement, used to complaine about the simplicity of the formal design of the first Schoenberg's dodecafônic compositions. But we know that Schoenberg raised the complexity of the formal design from the dodecafonic pieces as well.
Stunning.
Damn. I came in thinking I'd hate this, and actually really enjoyed it. It pushes tonality to delectable limits.
Try the first quartet. It is amazing.
The second one is amazing also. The first movement is in F#minor. The last one is atonal but concludes with F#major triadic chord.
Many thanks !!!
0:06 is a good place to start.
incredible, I'm listening to webern and berg, eating breakfast, and all of a sudden, midstream, the channel changes, and my poor subconscious mind starts blabbering to my conscious mind, which was busy reading, and starts blabbing, hey this is good music but not berg or webern, conscious mind has to actually go and look at the title,...oh its schoenberg.
actually 12 tone music can be beautiful too, I got to luv it
actually this is not 12 tone music, it's perfectly tonal (with a lot of dissonances, yeah)
This is perfectly tonal. It is written in the key of E major.
I like how everyone associates Schoenberg with dodecaphony, even though it's just a part of his wide opus haha.
12 tone music CAN be beautiful too??????? NO!! 12 tone music IS beautiful (just misunderstood) and, as it has been pointed out, this is not 12 tone music
12-tone music can also be ugly. There's no inherent beauty to it.
Hello Guys??Who is playin...and conducting??? Thanks for the upload...I just Love this piece..!!
Chailly is conducting. The players are RSO members.
Riccardo Chailly and members of the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.
When I first began listening to 2nd Viennese school stuff I was a bit disappointed by how normal it sounded to me. But there is still a lot of good stuff.
Dodecaphony at its best. Atonality is constantly overlooked
There's as much dodecaphony in here as there is an organ.
Right. Ain't twelve-tone, not nearly. Regular tonal based on chords of the fourth, as AS called them. But you're right about atonality being overlooked, as this isn't atonal either.
Enjoy? Of all the feelings this gives me, "joy" is not one of them." Enxiety" is closer to the experience.
Well enjoy this experience? xd
If I was a masochist I would. Or if i would enjoy music for it's mere academical merit. I'm listening now a lot to the vocal works by Hasse, a composer until recently unknown to me, and the more conventional pleasure that gives me is far preferable. Listened and re-listened to other pieces of Schoenberg this year and apart from the opening sequence of the Gurrelieder (first 6-7 minutes) nothing that could charm me. But I surely enjoy the feeling of relief that I'm done with his music.
Actually it's just cultural, and you don't have to understand the complexity of the music to enjoy it.
2:52 -> do you really feel enxiety here ?
Anyway, the composer was not like "I want to "make" that feeling", this is not an ambiance music or something, this is pure instrumental music ...
Nice try. But time is precious.
And ? What a nonsense.
What is this painting? It looks like Living Colour's Time's Up
Hello, who painted the picture from the cover?
it looks like a kandinsky; he and schönberg were friends
The painting is titled "Fugue" and was painted by W. Kandinsky in 1914 : www.wassilykandinsky.net/work-101.php
I think he must have had Mahler's 6th stuck in his head when he wrote this.
Is this atonal, or just tonal pushing the boundaries?
The latter
if this is dodecaphony shoenberg really knows how to give it a perfect order
It isn't.
Yeah I thought I heard a note being played again before all the other 11 tones were played
Franco Zautzik yeah its crazy dissonant, so much so that the ear starts to doubt it even when it's just triads
This is NOT dodecaphonic at all! In fact it's still tonal.
... But it's far from containing just triads.
False. The first motive you hear resolves to a triad. It returns several times in the piece.
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Brilliant music that was ruined by a crass ad jammed in the middle.
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This is really funeral music you wish for your worst enemy...
I don't know how anyone could like this. Was Schonberg high drugs when he wrote this and a lot of his music. He's certainly not a composer in the same class as Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Ravel and many others. Not by a long shot. He should have left the composing to the real artist.
When perhaps you have composed works so great as Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Ravel may you come to defame another great composer's work. You are not required to like this, but it is truly foolish to decide that your own view is objective truth. This is not careless work, my friend.
No arguments or justification for your extremely ignorant affirmation, other than the classical “it sounds weird". Next time you're making such a ridiculous comparison give your points a base, otherwise you're just expressing an unjustified opinion no one gives a shit about
Oddly enough, Glenn Gould, the noted pianist, and a very bright fellow, said that Schoenberg was the greatest composer of the 20th century.
@@yowzephyr who cares about what he said, he said Mozart was a Bad composer, can never be taken seriously
@@ha3vy scriabin also is weird but it maken sense, and it's beautifully constructed, like the poem of ecstasy, this is awful and doesnt make sense, it's so Bad, so unmelodic