A thousand miles in one day is a heroic effort in anyone's eyes, well done. I bought a 21 red n white 85 recently. I bought the bike on passion not brains. As you say it has real character and an effect on you that most bikes don't give you. Funnily I promised myself years ago that I wouldn't buy another Italian bike yet here I am.
Speaking of listening to your heart, I traded my 2016 ktm 1290 sa-t with a 2020 Guzzi v85tt only because of your reviews. And I wouldn’t change anything for a minute. Or maybe I’m truly too old to tell the difference. Who knows that stuff...
Since 1973 I'm in love with Moto Guzzi (V 750 Sport S). Now in my sixties ride a V7 750 Classic. But what really makes me proud is to never have seen a McDonalds from inside. Hats off for the 1000 miles !
Just test rode a KTM 790 and the V85 one after another. The KTM loved full throttle, but was very touchy. Both the throttle and clutch were very "On or Off". Engine had a tendency to surge and it didn't like going slow at all. Stop and go and going slow in traffic was painful. The KTM has a very low seat for an adventure bike (the standard bike). The Guzzi was very easy to ride at any speed. We did twisty in the French Alps and it tracked very well. Position was perfect for me at 5'6". And passing cars at 70kph let out a roar from the V-Twin. The KTM seemed more like something thrown together from spare parts not yet perfected, very dependent on its electronics. The Guzzi is more like a vintage motorcycle with minimal and sensible electronics.
At 5 ft 6 inch how was it re feet on the ground because this is one factor puting me off these sort of bikes I have a 29/30 inside leg . also how did you get on with the weight factor Cheers !!
@@allanhughes7859 I wound up buying my dream bike a 1200GS. I have the same inseam and felt secure at stops, getting on and off. No problem. As far as weight, once rolling it’s weightless, still lighter than a GS. Nice bike but even used it was not cheap. For 2000 more I bought a 2 year old GS which should have better resale. Ciao!
3 MacDonalds in one day is definitely an endurance test. Respect. Love the bike. So much more manageable than a 1200 quarter ton monster. And you must be on the committee for the iron butt association. Great ride and review. Still enjoying your stuff since I began reading it decades ago.
Difference between an American reviewer and a British reviewer: an American reviewer would have made a ton of snarky comments about eating McDonald’s…I appreciated the fact that he just did what he wanted to do. No unnecessary lame commentary about the health aspects.
I have owned 5 Guzzi's, but I have never had a McDonalds. This new Guzzi just might tempt me back into the fold. Nothing on earth would tempt me to eat a McDonalds though!
@@tokyosmash Oh I've tried them, full of artificial sweeteners and flavour enhancement, did you ever wonder why theres an obesity problem in the West, so no loss to me future fatboy.
Only just starting this video, but you get the thumbs up just for the concept of the ride! The only hesitations I have on the V85 TT is that it's not liquid cooled and the dealer network is nonexistent where I live. I love the look, love that it's a midsize shaft drive bike with the upright ADV seating position, and the price is really attractive too! If Yamaha or Honda put out a 750-900cc shaft drive ADV with similar features, I'd be on it like white on rice, on a paper plate, in snow storm!
Hi Simon, loved your work at PB and Bike. Great to see you’re still at it. Refreshing to watch and listen to a true professional, where your experience and expertise are rare on RUclips. I’ve just hit subscribe!
Nice test/review/idea ! Thx. The opposite of a KTM Adventure, and i love it ! Did a testride and bought it. I'm happy that Moto Guzzi build such a thing. Just my dreambike. My is in the same colors. "Sahara". The smaller, cooler looking windshield is enough i think, because i like my helmet in the wind. I'm a little taller, so the little bigger "touring" windshield wouldn't be enough for me anyway, and yes, on a bike you can feel some wind. That's normal. :) . The urban side cases look great and the right one is big enough for my helmet. The LED Lights are great. And btw: I checked another more sporty bike before, and on that one my butt hurts after 20 Minutes. ;) On the Guzzi i can sit the whole day without problems. I like the seat. But ok, 20 hours with some of them over 30 C° could be a little too much. But on which bike this would be pleasant ? ;) Goldwing ? :D The range is great too. Over 400 Kilometers are no problem at all. My Guzzi uses around 4,8 liters/100 Kilometers. Really good. The motor is strong enough for me. I don't like long faster trips on the Autobahn anyway, but 130-140 KM/h for shorter times are no problem. Did 180 KM/h too, but that's not what it's build for. For me the bike is to enjoy life on it. And for that, it's the perfekt bike for me. Normally i don't go over 130-140 KM/h ( 80-87 mph ? ). And thats easy. The shift lights i changed to 8000, so the lights don't bother me much. :D ;) I hope me and the Guzzi will have a long, happy and safe time together. :) Just start the engine, drive and smile. You don't need more. And pls keep up the good videos ! :)
ChrisMK72--you bought the Guzzi? Kewl. I agree with the tester, he didn't SAY so, but implied it need a liter+ in engine-size, and yes, Guzzi SHOULD cock-the heads [which should be DOHC] like Honda's old but still great CX-650 did to save "endangered-shins". KTMs are great, but they SUCK gas, a "bother" even though a gallon is $4.00 here.
Yesterday I did a one day tour to the Italian and Austrian Alps and did 600 kilometres from Slovenia and my Vstrom 1000 XT did it perfectly, strong tourque, great comfort I was riding quick and the bike performed amazing. With just a tank bag and one person.
Kudos to you for this challenging test and I feel this one pulling me in as well with all of the attributes you mentioned. A few mods and the V85TT looks about perfect.
Thanks for being honest and taking the bike for what it is and on its merits . If more people did this they would be more popular , but you know what like most Guzzi fans we like it the way it is . We dont follow the crowd and bikes like this and many other Guzzis become our little secret. Shhhhh !!!!!dont tell everyone.
I’ve got the big older brother (moto guzzi Stelvio 1200) great review of the bike. In the end it’s not about the numbers it’s about what the heart says!
Iron butt master class. Good job. I did 500miles in 14 hours with plenty of small biker happy roads and a short ferry crossing. I was buzzing after it cos my arse was crying to get off the seat and I was struggling a bit but thankfully got a second wind as the main route was only 470miles and the focus on breaking the 500miles barrier washed away my discomfort. After a 1000miles I'd be knocking on doors and telling everyone. I'm aiming for 600miles in a day for my next ride but seeing this vid my thunder has been well and truly knicked!!!!!! Gonna have to up my game.
A real, honest review, instead of the usual blast it and rave (after a corporate junket). Telling us what we really want to know, warts and all. I did around 12 magical hrs in Spain on my MV Turismo (with gel pad upgrade) and likewise, was in agony with my ar*e at the end. Wouldn’t have swapped the experience for anything and do it again in a heartbeat.
What a challenge. We have done 2 of the Iron Butt rides, 1000 miles in under 24 hrs. We left Middle Tennessee in the USA at about 4am and rode to Middle Florida and had lunch at Wendy's. We headed back home and arrive about 10:30pm for a total of 1083 miles in 17.5 hrs. It was tiring but I have to give you our secret, We did our on the Honda Goldwings, a lot of difference from you. You sir are a mad man!
Hi Simon, I think I've watched all of your reviews regarding the Moto Guzzi V85, and I like them all :) TheMissendenFlyer reckons the colour scheme reminds him of Orville the puppet, and I was afraid of going for this colour scheme, but when I see it in person, McDs/ Orville does not rear their ugly heads, and the deep red draws me to it, quite happily.. so much so, I will be purchasing one in a week :) andybycole summarises it best, regarding this vs a 1200 bmw, where this bike is one that can be used as a daily ride, and give you an enjoyment factor. Even schaaf is taken aback, for the cc of this mid-adventure type motorbike, which is the only bike in its class to have shaft drive, where (schaaf) enjoys riding it in 50kph (30mph) towns, and no other bike makes him smile whilst doing so. For me, I love the cruise control on the countryside motorways of Ireland, where it pulls effortlessly from the toll booths, grants a beautiful free air around the chest/ legs, and has that beautiful character of the knocking from side to side when stopped at lights. It is a bike that is to be savoured in low speeds, around twisty back roads, and is a capable motorway muncher. And it does so with so much aplomb, at a level of frugality, which is akin to my current steed, the Honda NC 750X (DCT) For me, the shaft drive (I dislike chain drives) and torquey motor, won me over on my first test drive. Thanks for the vid, it helped make up my mind :)
Incredible review!! I just purchased a BMW 850GS to start getting the wife and myself into touring. I think the second bike might very well be this V85TT. Just like you I absolutely love the styling on it.Thank you for the content, amazing and thoughtful review
Well done on the mileage dude! Not surprised you had some 'seat' pain in those temperatures. I test rode one the other day and totally share the love for it, but (thinking about other recent test rides) I find the BMW F850GS, to be a more pleasing / capable ride (albeit it is obviously not anywhere near as pretty as the V85). The only thing I didn't like about the 850 GS was the way the seat pushes you into the tank. It's quite comfortable as a seat, but the ball-crushing gets uncomfortable quickly. Would need changing. I am yet to test ride the 850 GSA which you reviewed recently. That looks excellent. Gonzo221, how are you finding the F850 seat? Do you have the standard seat or the rallye seat or something else? I also test rode the Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE the other day. Not really in this 'class' CC-wise but certainly a retro / adventure bike and definitely pretty. Not bad.......but my eyes were actually all over the new Speed Twin which is beautiful - and next to be tested! :-)
@@tubeviewer-qp1fb Hey, seems like you and I have very similar tastes. I own a Thruxton R and I absolutely love the engine on that thing. The Speed Twin is a great addition in my opinion. As for the 850GS I actually have the low seat on there since The tall seat height and high center of gravity made the bike more of a chore to handle getting off the stand. I don't mind the seating comfort now. I rode it 3 hours on the day I bought it with little discomfort. The only issue with the low seat is that it locks you in more. There's less room for movement.
I know what that is. Last May I had to leave Carcassone (in southern france) and come straight, in one day, to Lisbon (where I live and work) because of a work situation (I was riding with friends throughout the Pyrenees). A full 1424km in a single day is not easy. I was on my Supertenere, so no much difference. Also own a Guzzi and love it!
In a local bike shop here in Oviedo, N.Spain is a V85tt and a Ducati 950 multistrada! I took my wife to have a look at them both because they are beautiful!!! They were both gone!!!! She sighed in relief!!!! Bummer!!!!
Nice review, thanks - I liked the look of the V85TT when I saw it too, having owned (and loved) 3 Guzzis in the distant past I definitely have a soft spot for them.
Oh I would love that Guzzi. Not too big, not too small, sexy, no chain. If I get anything new it'll probably be a RE Himalayan. Getting old, can't pick up a monster, though the Guzzi would only fall 1/2 way over, especially with crash bars.
Longest run I ever made was 700 miles on a Honda VTX 1800 Retro. This was on a day touching 100 degrees F. It was also the last trip I ever took with a half helmet. Been wearing Modular helmets ever since.
Aaaaand, I'm back. Just short of a year later. Watched this video again. A week ago I picked up a 2020 V85TT Adventure. Only thing it is missing is the hand guards and aux lighting. Loving the hard cases and engine. My first bike was a Honda CX500 Custom. Same engine layout. Put 200 miles on her so far and I am in love. I did not have a good name for the CB500X that I traded in for the V85TT. But for some reason, and I know it's Spanish and not Italian, The V85TT I have is pestering me to call it Rocinante. Bonus points, which are worth nothing, to whomever gets the reference. (2 possible sources)
Fantastic challenge. It says something about a bike when it connects with you . This bike has had mixed reviews on it's looks but 95% of people that ride it love it. Personally I think it looks awesome so much detail to it...
I was just looking at the seat and wondering when you would mention how uncomfortable it was lol Bike does look great in other colors. Always something about those transversal twins that makes you feel connected. Nice review, and hats off for 1000 miles in one day. 1000km is already a lot, on any bike!
Fantastic review. Yes it always struck me as odd that a big Guzzi twin thrives on being revved, but you're right, they love it. I could tell by the way you were touching the bike at the end of the clip that you had fallen for it. I almost had to look away😄
Thanks for making the effort and reviewing it this way. You can definitely say a lot about the bike after such trip! I test rode it back to back with Multi 950 and should the Guzzi make extra 30-ish hp, it be mine already - it was such a nice experience. I enjoyed it way more than a Duc. Shortage of power was evident though and would probably hurt more while doing some two up riding. Now then, the bike you should take for a similar spin next, should be Scrambler 1200:) I rode XC version and found handlebars bit too narrow, exhaust burning my leg and 21" front wheel an overkill. Either Guzzi comes up with bigger engine (as the platform is awesome and I too really "dig" its looks), or Triumph should allow for 19" front wheel (bars can be changed;) Looking forward to such review and thanks again for these insights on Guzzi!
Well ridden and well said. I wish every bike had a review like this...the 50 mile round trip with first impressions type just don’t compare...great job!
Brilliant idea for a review of the V85TT. Your experience with the calculated fuel rage from the onboard computer is the same as mine. I've taken it down to 1 bar remaining on the left indicator and "--" on the range remaining indicator and still managed to fill up with less than 5 US gallons after 272 miles. So I agree that the fuel calculations are very pessimistic.
Me and a buddy did an Iron Butt -1130 miles in 18 hours, no problem. BUT, that was mostly on Texas interstate highways where the speed limit is 80 miles per hour. NOT the fun way 'round!I like that Guzzi. Great video.
Great clip! Just passed my A2 manœuvres test here in France. Road test in Jan. Really fell in love with this bike. We've got a huge Motorbike Show here in Lyon in Feb and I'll be heading straight to Moto Guzzi to negotiate!!
i recognize this guy as the sweet-natured Simon Hargreaves from years ago in the pages of BIKE magazine. Love the low-hype, real world, purely subjective nature of this review!
1000 miles in a day is legendary! I did 720 miles in a day two up and fully loaded on a ST1100 and my butt was complaining at the end. I do prefer my 1200 Guzzi Griso tho because it's and at 80mph I'm trying to persuade it to slow it down so I can hang onto my license :) My Griso seat (factory original) is the best seat I've ever had, dunno why, it doesn't look anything special. Excellent review Simon, I love your attitude about the Guzzi.
Terry Porter keep the Griso and buy the V85 as I did. The V85 can still get a move on and the handling is the best of any bike I’ve owned. It is a great complement to the Griso and far more manageable than the Stelvio in every way.
Did my 1000mile day last year on k1100lt - 18 hours. Preferred not to eat anything on the road. Plenty of fluid though. Thinking about v85tt… this cruise Control is something I dream about.
It's sad how the insides of two McDonalds 1,000 miles apart look identical! Very useful and informative review though. I only really became aware of this bike a little while ago but I'm hooked. I was willing you to plump for the Guzzi at the end. Emotion is such a large part of bike ownership. Thank you
I've owned a couple too many bikes, but it's the past. I remember one day a missed an early car lift from Brussels to Paris for a Roland Garros (sunny) day. In a couple of minutes I decided to do it on my then Moto Guzzi 1100 Sport, full blast. Times were different then : less cameras, more sun. I remember it as one of the greatest and fastest day trips of my life 🙂 From my 15 bikes ever, it's the only one I miss...a bit.
I liked how you explained your irrational thoughts. I find myself often doing same thing. I too love Moto Guzzi. I liked the Racer model for the same reasons you mentioned. The V85 TT certainly knocks the ball out of the park with its looks. Sound is another thing I like.
I’ve been looking at bikes for months on end, coming from a T120 Bonneville and a lover of retro but wanting something a bit more useful for longer trips around Canada and the Pacific north west. I literally came across this about 4 days ago! If it rides like it looks I’ll be buying one ASAP!
Good review of the journey issues. Top tip for comfort...buy a cheap pair of cycling shorts and wear under leathers or trousers....wicks sweat away and cushions for comfort...cheaper than alternative seat or seat cover. Was tempted to the bike but not enough grunt for me...fuel economy not great for an 850....I get the same from a 1200gsa. Ktm seems the better bike to ride but having looked at one I agree with you...ktm 790 is cheap and nasty looking unlike their older models. V85 over the 790 on finish and looks all the way.
The visor thing got me too. I recently switched to a Shoei GT Air II. Left the clear one on for night time and the tinted integrated drop down sun visor is great for during the day.
Really looks a great bike but out of my budget. Simon great journalism and every time I open Bike mag or MCN there you are with a superb report. Keep up the good work £££ 😀
Great job on the bike i did on my mt9 22 hours 2177 kilómetros which was also crazy from valencia Spain to york England i only stop for good one time then just fule stops. I have to say the Yamaha was perfecto the hole jorney the more hours i went the better It felt unlike myself jajaja i said i would never do something like that again but a fews months later i did Valencia to south of Italy another crazy ride but loves every second. 🏍️🏍️🏍️
I'm completely new to biking and being the age I am I am considering a lower powered RE Himalayan as I'd like to see out my remaining years. I don't understand all the negativity about a touring bike not being powerful and fast, surely the whole idea is to enjoy the journey and see the passing scenery, how do you do that at 100MPH? PS I love the look of this bike, the Benelli TRK502X is nice looking as well.
I think anyones butt is going to hurt after 1000 miles and you don't do that everyday. so choose the V85 TT!....Great review!...Thank you.......Sal : )
I went to check one out in Mandello del Lario (the town where they produce Moto Guzzi) and just LOVED that color scheme and the design in general. They seem to be selling lots of these! Congratulations for the great video and the epic McDonalds adventure :-)
I sat on a Triumph Tiger 900 GT and a beautiful green Moto Guzzi V85 TT Centanario today. I love the looks of the Guzzi but think I'll pick up the Triumph next week. I hope I'm making the right decision.
Unfortunatelly my guzzi v85 after 5 t kilometers decided it does not need valve cams. Valve cam securing bold got loose and fell out. Valves started to make metalic noise. I stopped and 300 km from home had to open valve cover and try to repair it. I guess some Luigi in the factory forgot to tighten the screw
Hey Simon. First off, good on ya for making the run. Well done, man! I like how all the math worked out. And I truly appreciate your thoughts on this bike. This is one of those I just want to overlook - but I can't for some reason. I find myself very intrigued. I know the obvious shortcoming - heck, we all do. Part of me thinks that the folks at 'Guzzi should have seen this coming and planned for better performance. My brain tells me that if I were to have a chance to give one a go I would probably be OK with the power etc. but that other part says No no, you will be sorry in the end! I run a Big-V, an inline 4 and a triple and none of them are under 1215cc! I sure didn't plan it that way, but that is how it worked out. So there is that challenge, if you know what I mean. But from what I can tell, power seems adequate on this bike. I have sat on one but I didn't get the chance to ride it and I have to say it felt really good. It's a really nice build. Controls feel good when you use them. And I am with you, I really like the look. Seems like it would be fairly inexpensive to run, too. And to top it all off, the '20s have a Travel version that is set up even more to my taste. I think I need to go ride one and see what she's got. See what you have done, man! LOL! Cheers, Simon. Keep up the great work.
Thanks so much for going through all of that. Mostly eating at Macs three times in one day! Epic. I also love the way this bike looks (been lusting after a Griso for some time...), and - because of this - if I pick one up, I'll see what alternative seat choices there are! Onward!
That tinted visor issue is reason why I went with an Arai QV-pro fitted with the pro shade system on my helmet, at least I think that system will be what I'll need once I finally get on the road here in Australia.
Cool project! I like the fact that it comes through that numbers in specs are just that. Numbers. yes, the numbers represent something, but it can never represent what the bike makes you feel. The bike I own witch I like the most to ride, is the slowest one.. So there you go..
First time I watch one of your reviews, and hey man what a great video! I liked your honesty and passion. I own a Caponord Rally, with which the V85 shares many components. I love to bits the Capo but it's heavy and I want something smaller. I will test ride this V85, I just hope the lack of power is not undermining the riding experience - Good stuff man, carry on with these reviews
This motor is still based on the small block twins originating with the 70's V35 & V50 and culminating with the current V7's. They were always revvy, and known amongst Guzzisti as having a considerable lack of low end-mid range torque compared to their big twin brothers ie the Le Mans, Cali's and various others, up to and including the Griso. Great looking bike, but the older Stelvio was a better bike due to having the bigger motor and more robust gearbox and drive train. I wish them success as a long time Guzzisti.
I think you were very brave to take on the challenge of eating at McDonald's three times in 19 hours. Love the look of that Guzzi. Great review as well Simon, your format is unusual these days.
Great review Simon - not cos of the bike but your way of reviewing and presenting it plus the interesting insight you provided (i can easily understand what you meant and how you felt - no marketing bla-bla). The one thing i missed is about engine heat - you informed that you had one of the hottest day´s with 40+ C - in such conditions most modern ADV bikes produce that much heat that some of them are nearly unrideable. Now i wonder how the Moto Guzzi V85TT behaved and pls as honest as you´ve been thru the whole review. Thanks again and stay safe
Thanks for doing this. With the quality of burgers you have in pubs in the UK, it's a pity you used McDonalds. It's like doing this in Italy and choosing the PizzaHut franchise as stops. But anyway, great challenge, enjoyed the video, enjoyed you talking and showing us the bike. Thanks!
Always a trip to see roadways outside the US. When he picked up that green nozzle to refuel I panicked... Green pump handles are reserved for diesel here in the states.
Great idea for a video, and it worked too! Really enjoyed that Simon, thanks 👍 Also, I’ve got to go from Bristol to Kings Lynn and back next weekend. Was debating car or bike.... dammit you’ve shamed me, bike it is!* *Unless it’s raining of course 😉 Yeah, I know I’m going to get grief for that 😂
More dangerous than riding 1000 miles in 19 hours is eating McDonald's three times in one day...
when you've owned different bikes over the years and mature in taste you wont be worried about 0-60 , HP and latest styling.. love your honest review
A thousand miles in one day is a heroic effort in anyone's eyes, well done. I bought a 21 red n white 85 recently. I bought the bike on passion not brains. As you say it has real character and an effect on you that most bikes don't give you. Funnily I promised myself years ago that I wouldn't buy another Italian bike yet here I am.
Can't explain it, but it's simply a damn good looking bike. I want one!
Speaking of listening to your heart, I traded my 2016 ktm 1290 sa-t with a 2020 Guzzi v85tt only because of your reviews. And I wouldn’t change anything for a minute. Or maybe I’m truly too old to tell the difference. Who knows that stuff...
That’s Italian bikes for you, heart over head every time. That’s why I have 2 👌👍
Since 1973 I'm in love with Moto Guzzi (V 750 Sport S). Now in my sixties ride a V7 750 Classic. But what really makes me proud is to never have seen a McDonalds from inside. Hats off for the 1000 miles !
Just test rode a KTM 790 and the V85 one after another. The KTM loved full throttle, but was very touchy. Both the throttle and clutch were very "On or Off". Engine had a tendency to surge and it didn't like going slow at all. Stop and go and going slow in traffic was painful. The KTM has a very low seat for an adventure bike (the standard bike). The Guzzi was very easy to ride at any speed. We did twisty in the French Alps and it tracked very well. Position was perfect for me at 5'6". And passing cars at 70kph let out a roar from the V-Twin. The KTM seemed more like something thrown together from spare parts not yet perfected, very dependent on its electronics. The Guzzi is more like a vintage motorcycle with minimal and sensible electronics.
At 5 ft 6 inch how was it re feet on the ground because this is one factor puting me off these sort of bikes I have a 29/30 inside leg . also how did you get on with the weight factor Cheers !!
@@allanhughes7859 I wound up buying my dream bike a 1200GS. I have the same inseam and felt secure at stops, getting on and off. No problem. As far as weight, once rolling it’s weightless, still lighter than a GS. Nice bike but even used it was not cheap. For 2000 more I bought a 2 year old GS which should have better resale. Ciao!
3 MacDonalds in one day is definitely an endurance test. Respect.
Love the bike. So much more manageable than a 1200 quarter ton monster.
And you must be on the committee for the iron butt association. Great ride and review.
Still enjoying your stuff since I began reading it decades ago.
Three days to recover and trouble in the stern end? Yupp, he was at Mac Dee's
Last time I had a McD i felt ill the next day, ever experienced a moto guzzi saddle they are sofa comfortable
yes, I hope you put the right octane fuel in your Guzzi, cause it didnt happen to your stomach
Difference between an American reviewer and a British reviewer: an American reviewer would have made a ton of snarky comments about eating McDonald’s…I appreciated the fact that he just did what he wanted to do. No unnecessary lame commentary about the health aspects.
I have owned 5 Guzzi's, but I have never had a McDonalds. This new Guzzi just might tempt me back into the fold. Nothing on earth would tempt me to eat a McDonalds though!
TheMickvee you’re missing out, nothing quite like a Big Mac every so often.
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Wise man, I wont eat that muck either.
fornicateu2 your loss 🤷🏼♂️
@@tokyosmash Oh I've tried them, full of artificial sweeteners and flavour enhancement, did you ever wonder why theres an obesity problem in the West, so no loss to me future fatboy.
Only just starting this video, but you get the thumbs up just for the concept of the ride! The only hesitations I have on the V85 TT is that it's not liquid cooled and the dealer network is nonexistent where I live. I love the look, love that it's a midsize shaft drive bike with the upright ADV seating position, and the price is really attractive too!
If Yamaha or Honda put out a 750-900cc shaft drive ADV with similar features, I'd be on it like white on rice, on a paper plate, in snow storm!
Hi Simon, loved your work at PB and Bike. Great to see you’re still at it. Refreshing to watch and listen to a true professional, where your experience and expertise are rare on RUclips. I’ve just hit subscribe!
Nice test/review/idea ! Thx.
The opposite of a KTM Adventure, and i love it !
Did a testride and bought it.
I'm happy that Moto Guzzi build such a thing. Just my dreambike.
My is in the same colors. "Sahara".
The smaller, cooler looking windshield is enough i think, because i like my helmet in the wind. I'm a little taller, so the little bigger "touring" windshield wouldn't be enough for me anyway, and yes, on a bike you can feel some wind. That's normal. :) .
The urban side cases look great and the right one is big enough for my helmet.
The LED Lights are great.
And btw: I checked another more sporty bike before, and on that one my butt hurts after 20 Minutes. ;) On the Guzzi i can sit the whole day without problems. I like the seat.
But ok, 20 hours with some of them over 30 C° could be a little too much. But on which bike this would be pleasant ? ;) Goldwing ? :D
The range is great too. Over 400 Kilometers are no problem at all. My Guzzi uses around 4,8 liters/100 Kilometers. Really good.
The motor is strong enough for me. I don't like long faster trips on the Autobahn anyway, but 130-140 KM/h for shorter times are no problem. Did 180 KM/h too, but that's not what it's build for.
For me the bike is to enjoy life on it. And for that, it's the perfekt bike for me.
Normally i don't go over 130-140 KM/h ( 80-87 mph ? ). And thats easy.
The shift lights i changed to 8000, so the lights don't bother me much. :D ;)
I hope me and the Guzzi will have a long, happy and safe time together. :)
Just start the engine, drive and smile. You don't need more.
And pls keep up the good videos ! :)
And me ! ;-)
ChrisMK72--you bought the Guzzi? Kewl. I agree with the tester, he didn't SAY so, but implied it need a liter+ in engine-size, and yes, Guzzi SHOULD cock-the heads [which should be DOHC] like Honda's old but still great CX-650 did to save "endangered-shins". KTMs are great, but they SUCK gas, a "bother" even though a gallon is $4.00 here.
Hi Chris. Just a question. Is that a plastic tank? Cheers. I am also in love with guzzi. They are great looking bikes and with character.
Belated congrats, Chris. If you manage to see this I would love to hear you are getting on with it. Thanks!
You did really well fella, what a brilliant day.
And a great bike.
And ... now I want one.
Yesterday I did a one day tour to the Italian and Austrian Alps and did 600 kilometres from Slovenia and my Vstrom 1000 XT did it perfectly, strong tourque, great comfort I was riding quick and the bike performed amazing. With just a tank bag and one person.
I have a Guzzi v7 now after owning both a Ktm 990 and a Ducati Multistrada 1200 ,which were amazing thrilling bikes. But I LOVE my Guzzi. LOVE IT.
Kudos to you for this challenging test and I feel this one pulling me in as well with all of the attributes you mentioned. A few mods and the V85TT looks about perfect.
Thanks for being honest and taking the bike for what it is and on its merits .
If more people did this they would be more popular , but you know what like most Guzzi fans we like it the way it is .
We dont follow the crowd and bikes like this and many other Guzzis become our little secret.
Shhhhh !!!!!dont tell everyone.
This bike really intrigues me. Thinking of upgrading from my 2015 Kawasaki Versys 650. Seems like the perfect step up.
I’ve got the big older brother (moto guzzi Stelvio 1200) great review of the bike. In the end it’s not about the numbers it’s about what the heart says!
Iron butt master class. Good job. I did 500miles in 14 hours with plenty of small biker happy roads and a short ferry crossing. I was buzzing after it cos my arse was crying to get off the seat and I was struggling a bit but thankfully got a second wind as the main route was only 470miles and the focus on breaking the 500miles barrier washed away my discomfort. After a 1000miles I'd be knocking on doors and telling everyone. I'm aiming for 600miles in a day for my next ride but seeing this vid my thunder has been well and truly knicked!!!!!! Gonna have to up my game.
A real, honest review, instead of the usual blast it and rave (after a corporate junket). Telling us what we really want to know, warts and all. I did around 12 magical hrs in Spain on my MV Turismo (with gel pad upgrade) and likewise, was in agony with my ar*e at the end. Wouldn’t have swapped the experience for anything and do it again in a heartbeat.
after 30 years i think im going back to Guzzi looks like the right thing to do
I wonder if you did come back to a Guzzi.
I have just returned after 24 years and I feel annoyed at myself for leaving it so long.
What a challenge. We have done 2 of the Iron Butt rides, 1000 miles in under 24 hrs. We left Middle Tennessee in the USA at about 4am and rode to Middle Florida and had lunch at Wendy's. We headed back home and arrive about 10:30pm for a total of 1083 miles in 17.5 hrs. It was tiring but I have to give you our secret, We did our on the Honda Goldwings, a lot of difference from you. You sir are a mad man!
Excellent review. I absolutely agree on the seat. I rode 1200 kilometers in one day, and it was brutal on the ass.
Hi Simon,
I think I've watched all of your reviews regarding the Moto Guzzi V85, and I like them all :)
TheMissendenFlyer reckons the colour scheme reminds him of Orville the puppet, and I was afraid of going for this colour scheme, but when I see it in person, McDs/ Orville does not rear their ugly heads, and the deep red draws me to it, quite happily.. so much so, I will be purchasing one in a week :)
andybycole summarises it best, regarding this vs a 1200 bmw, where this bike is one that can be used as a daily ride, and give you an enjoyment factor.
Even schaaf is taken aback, for the cc of this mid-adventure type motorbike, which is the only bike in its class to have shaft drive, where (schaaf) enjoys riding it in 50kph (30mph) towns, and no other bike makes him smile whilst doing so.
For me, I love the cruise control on the countryside motorways of Ireland, where it pulls effortlessly from the toll booths, grants a beautiful free air around the chest/ legs, and has that beautiful character of the knocking from side to side when stopped at lights.
It is a bike that is to be savoured in low speeds, around twisty back roads, and is a capable motorway muncher.
And it does so with so much aplomb, at a level of frugality, which is akin to my current steed, the Honda NC 750X (DCT)
For me, the shaft drive (I dislike chain drives) and torquey motor, won me over on my first test drive.
Thanks for the vid, it helped make up my mind :)
Incredible review!! I just purchased a BMW 850GS to start getting the wife and myself into touring. I think the second bike might very well be this V85TT. Just like you I absolutely love the styling on it.Thank you for the content, amazing and thoughtful review
Well done on the mileage dude! Not surprised you had some 'seat' pain in those temperatures. I test rode one the other day and totally share the love for it, but (thinking about other recent test rides) I find the BMW F850GS, to be a more pleasing / capable ride (albeit it is obviously not anywhere near as pretty as the V85). The only thing I didn't like about the 850 GS was the way the seat pushes you into the tank. It's quite comfortable as a seat, but the ball-crushing gets uncomfortable quickly. Would need changing. I am yet to test ride the 850 GSA which you reviewed recently. That looks excellent. Gonzo221, how are you finding the F850 seat? Do you have the standard seat or the rallye seat or something else? I also test rode the Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE the other day. Not really in this 'class' CC-wise but certainly a retro / adventure bike and definitely pretty. Not bad.......but my eyes were actually all over the new Speed Twin which is beautiful - and next to be tested! :-)
@@tubeviewer-qp1fb Hey, seems like you and I have very similar tastes. I own a Thruxton R and I absolutely love the engine on that thing. The Speed Twin is a great addition in my opinion. As for the 850GS I actually have the low seat on there since The tall seat height and high center of gravity made the bike more of a chore to handle getting off the stand. I don't mind the seating comfort now. I rode it 3 hours on the day I bought it with little discomfort. The only issue with the low seat is that it locks you in more. There's less room for movement.
@@gonzo221 I rode the Speed Twin today. Excellent bike.
I know what that is. Last May I had to leave Carcassone (in southern france) and come straight, in one day, to Lisbon (where I live and work) because of a work situation (I was riding with friends throughout the Pyrenees). A full 1424km in a single day is not easy. I was on my Supertenere, so no much difference. Also own a Guzzi and love it!
In a local bike shop here in Oviedo, N.Spain is a V85tt and a Ducati 950 multistrada! I took my wife to have a look at them both because they are beautiful!!! They were both gone!!!! She sighed in relief!!!! Bummer!!!!
Nice review, thanks - I liked the look of the V85TT when I saw it too, having owned (and loved) 3 Guzzis in the distant past I definitely have a soft spot for them.
The Guzzi has soul - I'd have one too :)
Oh I would love that Guzzi. Not too big, not too small, sexy, no chain. If I get anything new it'll probably be a RE Himalayan. Getting old, can't pick up a monster, though the Guzzi would only fall 1/2 way over, especially with crash bars.
Thanks for your reviews! Just ordered Centenario edition.
Longest run I ever made was 700 miles on a Honda VTX 1800 Retro. This was on a day touching 100 degrees F. It was also the last trip I ever took with a half helmet. Been wearing Modular helmets ever since.
Aaaaand, I'm back. Just short of a year later. Watched this video again. A week ago I picked up a 2020 V85TT Adventure. Only thing it is missing is the hand guards and aux lighting. Loving the hard cases and engine. My first bike was a Honda CX500 Custom. Same engine layout. Put 200 miles on her so far and I am in love. I did not have a good name for the CB500X that I traded in for the V85TT. But for some reason, and I know it's Spanish and not Italian, The V85TT I have is pestering me to call it Rocinante. Bonus points, which are worth nothing, to whomever gets the reference. (2 possible sources)
@@zurnie that's awkward. I traded my cb500x in for the v85tt as well. To me, the Honda was good , but bland. Lacked character and excitement.
big respect pal, doing that many miles in a day.
Fantastic challenge. It says something about a bike when it connects with you . This bike has had mixed reviews on it's looks but 95% of people that ride it love it. Personally I think it looks awesome so much detail to it...
I was just looking at the seat and wondering when you would mention how uncomfortable it was lol Bike does look great in other colors. Always something about those transversal twins that makes you feel connected. Nice review, and hats off for 1000 miles in one day. 1000km is already a lot, on any bike!
Not transvers, Harley engines is transers. And so is all inline motors on mc
What a great review Honestly a realistic take on things no head in the clouds stuff here me thinks
Fantastic review.
Yes it always struck me as odd that a big Guzzi twin thrives on being revved, but you're right, they love it.
I could tell by the way you were touching the bike at the end of the clip that you had fallen for it.
I almost had to look away😄
Thanks for making the effort and reviewing it this way. You can definitely say a lot about the bike after such trip! I test rode it back to back with Multi 950 and should the Guzzi make extra 30-ish hp, it be mine already - it was such a nice experience. I enjoyed it way more than a Duc. Shortage of power was evident though and would probably hurt more while doing some two up riding. Now then, the bike you should take for a similar spin next, should be Scrambler 1200:) I rode XC version and found handlebars bit too narrow, exhaust burning my leg and 21" front wheel an overkill. Either Guzzi comes up with bigger engine (as the platform is awesome and I too really "dig" its looks), or Triumph should allow for 19" front wheel (bars can be changed;) Looking forward to such review and thanks again for these insights on Guzzi!
Well ridden and well said. I wish every bike had a review like this...the 50 mile round trip with first impressions type just don’t compare...great job!
Great looking bike .It's so unique looking that I reckon it will be charming years after you bought it.
I think you have convinced me …. Going to try one out next week… thanks for the long test and honest opinion
Exactly the kind of review of this bike I was looking for!Thank you kindly, for posting it!👍
Brilliant idea for a review of the V85TT. Your experience with the calculated fuel rage from the onboard computer is the same as mine. I've taken it down to 1 bar remaining on the left indicator and "--" on the range remaining indicator and still managed to fill up with less than 5 US gallons after 272 miles. So I agree that the fuel calculations are very pessimistic.
AZ Geek the fuel light on my V7 comes on with over a third of the tank full. My old Nevada was similar.
Me and a buddy did an Iron Butt -1130 miles in 18 hours, no problem. BUT, that was mostly on Texas interstate highways where the speed limit is 80 miles per hour. NOT the fun way 'round!I like that Guzzi. Great video.
Great clip! Just passed my A2 manœuvres test here in France. Road test in Jan. Really fell in love with this bike. We've got a huge Motorbike Show here in Lyon in Feb and I'll be heading straight to Moto Guzzi to negotiate!!
i recognize this guy as the sweet-natured Simon Hargreaves from years ago in the pages of BIKE magazine. Love the low-hype, real world, purely subjective nature of this review!
Me too ... seems a really genuine guy, easy to listen to 👍🏻
@@StuHNomadBiker give Front End Chatter a whirl. Podcast of Simon Hargreaves and Martin Fitz-Gibbons. Very good.
1000 miles in a day is legendary! I did 720 miles in a day two up and fully loaded on a ST1100 and my butt was complaining at the end.
I do prefer my 1200 Guzzi Griso tho because it's and at 80mph I'm trying to persuade it to slow it down so I can hang onto my license :)
My Griso seat (factory original) is the best seat I've ever had, dunno why, it doesn't look anything special.
Excellent review Simon, I love your attitude about the Guzzi.
Terry Porter keep the Griso and buy the V85 as I did. The V85 can still get a move on and the handling is the best of any bike I’ve owned. It is a great complement to the Griso and far more manageable than the Stelvio in every way.
Did my 1000mile day last year on k1100lt - 18 hours. Preferred not to eat anything on the road. Plenty of fluid though.
Thinking about v85tt… this cruise Control is something I dream about.
It's sad how the insides of two McDonalds 1,000 miles apart look identical! Very useful and informative review though. I only really became aware of this bike a little while ago but I'm hooked. I was willing you to plump for the Guzzi at the end. Emotion is such a large part of bike ownership. Thank you
I've owned a couple too many bikes, but it's the past. I remember one day a missed an early car lift from Brussels to Paris for a Roland Garros (sunny) day. In a couple of minutes I decided to do it on my then Moto Guzzi 1100 Sport, full blast. Times were different then : less cameras, more sun.
I remember it as one of the greatest and fastest day trips of my life 🙂
From my 15 bikes ever, it's the only one I miss...a bit.
I liked how you explained your irrational thoughts. I find myself often doing same thing. I too love Moto Guzzi. I liked the Racer model for the same reasons you mentioned. The V85 TT certainly knocks the ball out of the park with its looks. Sound is another thing I like.
You’re my favourite motorcycle journalist now, even though I didn’t like you at first.
Now that's how you test ride an adventure motorcycle. The West, East, North maccy d's test.
I’ve been looking at bikes for months on end, coming from a T120 Bonneville and a lover of retro but wanting something a bit more useful for longer trips around Canada and the Pacific north west. I literally came across this about 4 days ago! If it rides like it looks I’ll be buying one ASAP!
Good review of the journey issues. Top tip for comfort...buy a cheap pair of cycling shorts and wear under leathers or trousers....wicks sweat away and cushions for comfort...cheaper than alternative seat or seat cover. Was tempted to the bike but not enough grunt for me...fuel economy not great for an 850....I get the same from a 1200gsa. Ktm seems the better bike to ride but having looked at one I agree with you...ktm 790 is cheap and nasty looking unlike their older models. V85 over the 790 on finish and looks all the way.
Wow! that was something else, well done that man. Ride an Africa Twin and always was a Guzzi fan, still tempted.
Nice concept. It’s so much more interesting reading how you get on with this bike in the real world doing crazy/normal fun things. Beautiful bike.
I really hope you are getting this a certified iron butt ride! Sounds like you earned it...
Brilliant idea. I wish MG would make a dedicated sports tourer out of this bike.
Moto Guzzi are using this engine as the platform for a new range
The visor thing got me too. I recently switched to a Shoei GT Air II. Left the clear one on for night time and the tinted integrated drop down sun visor is great for during the day.
Really looks a great bike but out of my budget. Simon great journalism and every time I open Bike mag or MCN there you are with a superb report. Keep up the good work £££ 😀
Great job on the bike i did on my mt9 22 hours 2177 kilómetros which was also crazy from valencia Spain to york England i only stop for good one time then just fule stops. I have to say the Yamaha was perfecto the hole jorney the more hours i went the better It felt unlike myself jajaja i said i would never do something like that again but a fews months later i did Valencia to south of Italy another crazy ride but loves every second. 🏍️🏍️🏍️
I'm completely new to biking and being the age I am I am considering a lower powered RE Himalayan as I'd like to see out my remaining years. I don't understand all the negativity about a touring bike not being powerful and fast, surely the whole idea is to enjoy the journey and see the passing scenery, how do you do that at 100MPH? PS I love the look of this bike, the Benelli TRK502X is nice looking as well.
Great honest review that covered all points! Great job.
When I was a student after sailing weekends we often went to mc drive on the way back to Amsterdam. My personal record on the bic mac was 43 seconds.
I have had many bikes over the years but my Guzzi is my all time favorite. McDonalds not so much but if you are really hungry is pretty good.
I think anyones butt is going to hurt after 1000 miles and you don't do that everyday. so choose the V85 TT!....Great review!...Thank you.......Sal : )
Yea we iron butt riders do 1000 mile runs all the time . It’s safe and fun . Everyone should do it at least once
I went to check one out in Mandello del Lario (the town where they produce Moto Guzzi) and just LOVED that color scheme and the design in general. They seem to be selling lots of these! Congratulations for the great video and the epic McDonalds adventure :-)
Agostinis? Theirs was out at a party when I was there in July!
I sat on a Triumph Tiger 900 GT and a beautiful green Moto Guzzi V85 TT Centanario today. I love the looks of the Guzzi but think I'll pick up the Triumph next week. I hope I'm making the right decision.
Here at home, although crash helmet is optional, wearing sun glasses or tainted visor is unlawful at dark. You get pulled and fined quite fast!
Unfortunatelly my guzzi v85 after 5 t kilometers decided it does not need valve cams. Valve cam securing bold got loose and fell out. Valves started to make metalic noise. I stopped and 300 km from home had to open valve cover and try to repair it. I guess some Luigi in the factory forgot to tighten the screw
The MPG was actually pretty impressive. Considerably better than my Moto Guzzi Stelvio.
Hey Simon. First off, good on ya for making the run. Well done, man! I like how all the math worked out. And I truly appreciate your thoughts on this bike. This is one of those I just want to overlook - but I can't for some reason. I find myself very intrigued. I know the obvious shortcoming - heck, we all do. Part of me thinks that the folks at 'Guzzi should have seen this coming and planned for better performance. My brain tells me that if I were to have a chance to give one a go I would probably be OK with the power etc. but that other part says No no, you will be sorry in the end! I run a Big-V, an inline 4 and a triple and none of them are under 1215cc! I sure didn't plan it that way, but that is how it worked out. So there is that challenge, if you know what I mean.
But from what I can tell, power seems adequate on this bike. I have sat on one but I didn't get the chance to ride it and I have to say it felt really good. It's a really nice build. Controls feel good when you use them. And I am with you, I really like the look. Seems like it would be fairly inexpensive to run, too. And to top it all off, the '20s have a Travel version that is set up even more to my taste. I think I need to go ride one and see what she's got. See what you have done, man! LOL! Cheers, Simon. Keep up the great work.
Left 84mph visible, so at what speed did you blur the image?
Thanks so much for going through all of that. Mostly eating at Macs three times in one day! Epic. I also love the way this bike looks (been lusting after a Griso for some time...), and - because of this - if I pick one up, I'll see what alternative seat choices there are! Onward!
Well done remember strong black coffee in a hydration pack even cold keeps the eyes open 👀
That tinted visor issue is reason why I went with an Arai QV-pro fitted with the pro shade system on my helmet, at least I think that system will be what I'll need once I finally get on the road here in Australia.
Cool project! I like the fact that it comes through that numbers in specs are just that. Numbers. yes, the numbers represent something, but it can never represent what the bike makes you feel. The bike I own witch I like the most to ride, is the slowest one.. So there you go..
First time I watch one of your reviews, and hey man what a great video! I liked your honesty and passion. I own a Caponord Rally, with which the V85 shares many components. I love to bits the Capo but it's heavy and I want something smaller. I will test ride this V85, I just hope the lack of power is not undermining the riding experience - Good stuff man, carry on with these reviews
Great video! I enjoyed the creative idea and interesting way to review a bike. Well done guys!
This motor is still based on the small block twins originating with the 70's V35 & V50 and culminating with the current V7's. They were always revvy, and known amongst Guzzisti as having a considerable lack of low end-mid range torque compared to their big twin brothers ie the Le Mans, Cali's and various others, up to and including the Griso.
Great looking bike, but the older Stelvio was a better bike due to having the bigger motor and more robust gearbox and drive train. I wish them success as a long time Guzzisti.
I think you were very brave to take on the challenge of eating at McDonald's three times in 19 hours. Love the look of that Guzzi. Great review as well Simon, your format is unusual these days.
Great review Simon - not cos of the bike but your way of reviewing and presenting it plus the interesting insight you provided (i can easily understand what you meant and how you felt - no marketing bla-bla). The one thing i missed is about engine heat - you informed that you had one of the hottest day´s with 40+ C - in such conditions most modern ADV bikes produce that much heat that some of them are nearly unrideable. Now i wonder how the Moto Guzzi V85TT behaved and pls as honest as you´ve been thru the whole review. Thanks again and stay safe
The real health and safety message; “Eating McDonalds three times a day may be hazardous to your health.”
Super awesome ride and commentary. Thanks!
Great job, real test of the bike. Thanks for sharing.. Love your channel.
Great review. I had a Guzzi and I'm thinking about getting another. Cheers
When the health and safety sign came on, I thought it was going to say " Don't eat 3 McD's meals in 1 day!" XD
Thanks for doing this. With the quality of burgers you have in pubs in the UK, it's a pity you used McDonalds. It's like doing this in Italy and choosing the PizzaHut franchise as stops. But anyway, great challenge, enjoyed the video, enjoyed you talking and showing us the bike. Thanks!
Thank for a truly honest review 👍
Always a trip to see roadways outside the US. When he picked up that green nozzle to refuel I panicked...
Green pump handles are reserved for diesel here in the states.
It's not the specs, it's the experience!
Loved it...! Thanks for the honest content.
Nice video nice bike. I have 1250gsa but this one looks good. Its something on this bike and i dont know what but it looks great.
Excellent. hungry now.
Thanks mate for a fantastic review!!! Soul over technology also would be my recipe for happiness... sure there is a good aftermarket seat somewhere...
Great idea for a video, and it worked too! Really enjoyed that Simon, thanks 👍
Also, I’ve got to go from Bristol to Kings Lynn and back next weekend. Was debating car or bike.... dammit you’ve shamed me, bike it is!*
*Unless it’s raining of course 😉
Yeah, I know I’m going to get grief for that 😂