@@Tikondryshm, murder, manipulation of those who can’t say no, and forcing a lesbian into a technically heterosexual relationship (technically heterosexual, Kris is non binary so), good job making those wholesome, like, seriously, you did a good job.
Yeah and the worst part is it doesn’t seem like this is a joke or a parody. It’s like this was made 100% unironically and is attracting all the edgy Noelle brainrot comments.
Okay the major thing that doesn't quite work is just how alright she is about murdering berdly lmao think that would require a bit more time to be okay with. That being said her enjoying everything else I mean shit she admits she enjoyed it in the normal snow grave route at the mouse puzzle and even asked to find more enemies to kill so she is a bit twisted herself lmao so yeah honestly besides the berdly bit this seems mostly plausible lol good job
I mean increasing your love or exp if Noelle was affected by the fights in an Undertale fashion would make her more capable or impulsive to hurt others. It's like a dark side that grows as you fight.
@@kaden1991 Not only that, but there was the whole section on the Snowgrave Route where Noelle insists on doing the puzzle herself, trying to rationalize her decisions whilst ignoring her better judgment. Something to note however, is the fact that she's wearing the Thorn Ring, so it's questionable how much of her actions were influenced by the Player corrupting her into harming others and the trance she's put under with the Thorn Ring.
Honestly I blame her mother considering she tried to murder her dad an abuses her, to my point of view she may think that Kris is helping her to get stronger to not suffer any more
☺♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥Aww that sweet kris sleeping with noelle but You're guys a right were noelle's mother🤨 hmmm im wonder🤔oh well this video too romantic but is okey i like it
ohhh!? noelle sleep with kris let's go dude wait...why same like me? im with nikki she stay my house too I'm too lazy so im sleep first she blushing im sleep the nikki's bottom and.... she said good night
Kris and noelle's friendship is actually very wholesome to be honest but not very much on the snowgrave route because your basically just using her to murder and you the player are just a murderer to the NPCs.
Yknow, this noelle route could basically work as a substitute for the snowgrave route if a few things were changed (first of all she should feel more regret, especially when being told that the dark world is real.), so its like, noelle is being manipulated into getting strong AND forcing a bond bewteen her and kris (and also prevent susie and noelle from getting together.), like some kind of abusive relationship.
I actually had an idea for a route wich has a similar outcome, but just a bit of a less gruesome way to achieve. Heres basically what you do 1. Route starts when noelle joins your party (all enemies must be defeated with mercy up to that point) 2. When you meet her, you re-track the same way as in snowgrave, but instead you beat all enemies with mercy, specifically including noelle more in acts, that way teaching her how battles work, and how to act by herself. 3. After that keep going through cyber city with a few rules 1) no damage must be taken EVER, until the berdly fight 2) noelle must never get hit by mice in the puzzles (falling in mouse room 3 doesnt matter) 3) specific dialogue options must be chosen 4) the cheese maze must be done perfectly 5) all enemies must be spared/sleepmisted Changes: When talking to the addison about dating shoes, if all of these requirements were met, a new dialogue option will appear. Instead of "were friends" and "were something else" youre gonna be able to say "Were best friends" or "were just friends". Obviously the first option must be chosen. When interacting with the ferris wheel poster, and if "i will ride with you" is chosen, noelle will be way more cheerful about riding with kris, and will say that something makes her feel, that kris wont shake the wheel this time. Quite a lot of more changed dialogue wich im just too lazy to type Until the third mouse room, everything will go normal,exceot more cutscenes and changed dialogue. Than, when noelle climbs on the platform of the puzzle, she eill have an inner monologue again, just like in the snowgrave route, exceot this time she will be more cheerful, and apreciate what kris is doing, and start to wonder if they want things to go back to how they were when they were kids. Than shes suddenly cut off by the platform starting to fall, and than the puzzle goes like normally. Berdly arrives aswell, except this time noelle is more mad at him for not noticing her and criticizing kris. After than she talks to kris on how berdlys self ego is too high and he csred more about the fact that he wasnt the one who did the puzzle, than the fact that kris saved her life. Than after that you must still not get hit in the poppup encounter in the next room, but doing that is optional. Than the berdly fight, wich starts off similar to snowgrave. Berdly notices how noelle is too attached to kris and assumes the worst, that kris is manipulating her onto being on their side and using her. Noelle tries explaining everything, but its no use, than the fight starts. It goes kinda the same as the snowgrave one, exceot berdly does more attacks and they are tougher than their normal forms. He also only targets kris for the whole battle. The only act optoons you have are talk (wich does nothing) and talk with noelle. Than she basically tries explaining herself many times but only failing. Attacking berdly will just cause hin to block the attack off. The fight cannot be ended unless kris falls in battle. To prevent people not understanding that they must die, berdlys attacks get tougher every turn until they are literally unavoidable. After kris falls, noelle freaks out, since she has never seen anyone fall in battle before, since the whole area had to be no hit. She gets very scared and berdly tries explaining to her what happened, but she cuts him off, by iceshocking him, leaving him on the floor. He does survive tho, just badly hurt. After than noelle attempts getting kris back up with heal prayer and succeeds. Berdly than says he will stop kris later simce he is too weak to keep fighting, and walks slowly away, saying that queen will know what to do. The rest of the cyber city goes normally, except berdly is nowhere to be seen, and you cant give him the gift. When you reach infront of the queens mansion, queen will attempt trapping noelle, susie, kris and ralsei, but only succeeds with ralsei and susie, sending them away,since kris striked the cage away from noelle and dodged his. Than the fight with queen occurs, in wich you can act by convincing her, or fight, in this fight what you do doesnt matter at all. You only fight her with noelle and kris, so its a little harder. After that, queen still manages to capture them, by distracting them, and berdly finally arrives to tell queen the news. He is angered by the fact that queen captured noelle, but she ends up capturing him aswell, and now making him take the spot of noelle as being her main minion. Than shortly about the queens mansion, your party will now consist of kris susie and noelle, since berdly is now in noelles room, wich is now his, and ralsei decides to run off just like berdly in the normal route. Everything happens as usually, except the acid tunnel is between noelle and kris, and theres no ferris wheel scene, except noelle and kris just go to reason with berdly and rescue him. Than afrerwards, there is no regular queen fight, only giga queen, except this time berdly is in the place of noelle, and more stuff happens that im too lazy to type. Well eventually after a totally normal ending, noelle again figures out it wasnt a dream and comes over to kris, except this time she comes togerher with susie aswell. Kris again doesnt make a fountain Ok damn that took a long time to write, but i still wouldnt be surprised if the replies were flooded with "aint readin allat"
Idea: Like Snowgrave aborting right before Berdly, you can and must tell Berdly “I’m protecting her from you!” Also no-hit is dumb, no-downing is better if necessary.
“Art for art's sake is an empty phrase. Art for the sake of truth, art for the sake of the good and the beautiful, that is the faith I am searching for.” ― George Sand
@@circlez_6367i agree, berdly Is an annoying twat but he doesnt deserve to just take as a joke when he is dead. However, Noelle's reaction here Is not out of character, as she grew stronger and bolder, i am not surprised she resent berdly always cutting her out of conversations, interrupting her and being.. well, berdly, without apologizing.
I always liked seeing cheery music in terrifying scenarios, it makes it feel like the content is telling you nothing is wrong, despite everything being wrong
@@manteroid yeah and there’s actually some evidence that kris might have a crush on susie (jesus why tf do so many people in deltarune have a crush on susie lmao
i can’t remember all of the evidence but what i do remember is when susie asks who kris wants to take to the festival, the only awnser which kris doesn’t sound confused in is when the player chooses susie. along with the minor detail that the susietea heals 120 hp to kris. of course the 120 hp thing probably doesn’t mean anything because a party member’s tea healing another party member 120 hp could just signify them being good friends.
Not counting skipping over things, simply changing the music, or mere zooming, here are the subtle edits I noticed: 8:09 10:05 12:10 14:00 15:03 15:45 15:57 23:36 24:13 Then, everything after 26:24 is essentially different. Then, everything after 38:36 is just music.
Good eye. I'll probably seperate the video by chapters soon but I won't go as far as to point to edits themselves because it would ruin the image as a whole.
>Rewriting Weird Route so Noelle isn't board the whole way. Okay. >Writing that Noelle doesn't like horror movies. Who's hey there buddy let's back it up a bit.
@@Tikondrys BRO it's a fanmade?, I can not make me see the message "both know that she would freeze you easily", and I can not make her blush when I put the ring I need to know if it is a fanmade I have been trying for 2 hours
@@carnalpulpo2351 Yes, this is fanmade by myself. Sorry about the confusion, haha, it's funny that you tried to replicate it in game. I really tried my best to make it seem like a proper route and looks like it worked.
this is such a good relationship between characters to play out, but it is just so messed up lol. It is so bad to see Noelle literally happy about Berdly being dead, but damn this route do be dark!
While I'm still not wild about the thought of brainwashing Noelle into some kind of fucked up relationship, I adore the Kriselle ship. If there was a mod where you could romance Noelle without all the death and abusive relationship stuff, it'd be even better. No death, just cute fluff.
The normal route in ch2, especially the cyber city segment, is filled with "Kris flirts with Noëlle" options. I remember how surprised I was when playing ch2 the first Time. I kinda like the fact Toby set up a "love polygon" that could have multiple outcomes. I mean, the main characters are teens going trough puberty, it's no surprise they all want to make out with each other. I Wonder if Toby did that to test if the fandom would be interested in a different outcome than the stale Noëlle/Susie thing. I think there's a good chance Toby will do something similar to The Witcher 3. In that game, depending on your choices and actions, characters get together or not. You Can also complete the game without any romance if you wish to (that's what I did when I played the game), hell apparently you Can even romance two chicks at once 🤨 If Toby does something like that, he could satisfy most of the fans, even people like me who are looking for Gaster and don't want to see any ship becoming a thing.
@@danieleristavi2491 I mean, he just gives you an egg. I want to solve the Gaster mystery and help the Guy create his "NEW FUTURE", whatever he means by that. I firmly believe in the 2018 Fragment theory that was made before ch1 (and the Switch version of UT) dropped. If the man is Gaster related, he's defenetly a Fragment, a pretty Big one given his omnipotence. But like you said, it's hard to tell if they're related, tho the sweepstakes heavily imply that it's the case, and rn, I don't see what else The Man could be anyways.
While I personally won't call this "How weird route/snowgrave should have gone" it's still pretty amazing and well made, I wish I had the skills to make my ship fic come alive like this (and I say this as unironic as I can, i'm not being sarcastic) Looking forward if you ever make any more Kriselle Bastardization arc in the future
So... you do know that chapter 2 happens in a friday right? Since Alphys established that tomorrow isn't a school day when you talk to her, and Susie in this fic say that they'll meet up at school tomorrow (maybe they will get in there somehow in this world or the others!).
Well...entrance to the Castle Town remains in school closet...so I guess they will be ABLE to meet at school to visit Ralsei (sneak in...or something).
@@Tikondrys I at least doubt that nothing will come of it. The canon snowgrave messes her up a great deal and makes her terrified of you, no way that won't be continued in some way.
This deserves more views . Also this is kind of what I wanted from snowgrave Lokey. Still amazing it just will be interesting if this is the way you romance Noelle . It be messed up but pretty cool
Instead of brain there is Noelle. Jokes aside. Thank you for everything you've done, It was a pleasure to watch, really. Animations, conversation between Kris and Noelle - top notch content. Love you forever.
I would probably believe this Concept more if Noelle has been with The Gang in Darkworld adventures since Chapter 1 and froze everyone, including Lancer. At least there her shift in personality could be more built up and believable.
The good ending No slashed tires/Mom calling the police No soul-ripping Frozen turkey Got the girl Fell asleep together on the couch No dark world in the living room
@@dylanzlol7293 since when did they say you get free food? Where is that implied? There is nothing else they could be referring to other than using Snowgrave on Berdly.
Truthly amazing work you did, i have such pleasant emotions out of this and not even i have the noelle syndrome after chapter 1, the only weird thing is Noelle gets so confident while and after the events of snowgrave, but yeah i really like it i cant deny. (the king and queen of genocide together.)
Thank you! To invoke emotion was my initial goal and I'm glad you enjoyed. P.S. I didn't have Noelle syndrome from C1 and it only affected me after playing C2, so yeah. If you compare it to the original game Noelle gets confident either way after snowgrave so it wasn't my idea but Toby's - reference the scene when they wake up and Noelle straight up asks if Susie has a tail or not to which Susie answers "Of course I don't!" then Noelle goes "I see." and leaves. Then at the hospital - Noelle doesn't want to let go of the controller - because she wants to be in control.
@@Tikondrys Yeah, that's the consequences of purging the entire city, imagine the next purges we would make with that cursed and twisted sword, just that. Ps: I was referring as me the one who have the noelle syndrome at ch1.
@@Tikondrys Yeah she wanted to be in control, but in the pacifist version of that it's the same thing, only that she says it's her battle and simply asks him to just tell her what to do instead. In snowgrave, it's different. She rejects it and insists she'll control it herself, sounding *scared* about it even, for clear reasons. Both versions she wants control, but they're in different ways.
I'm not saying i dislike Noelle being kinda of a psychopath and enjoyed literally KILLING a person, but that just seems kinda off character. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut this IS kinda of an AU, so it doesn't really matter, does it?
I see that Noelle Syndrome has been spreading lately. Best way to fight a pandemic is with another pandemic. That's how disease control works, right? Okay for real, not bad at all. You put a lot of effort into this, and I never thought to view the Weird Route in this context, it's actually a novel idea. Good editing work too (I particularly like the fade-out timed with the song at 14:10). Some observations (sorry in advance for the text wall): I can actually kinda see why Noelle would have some, er "beef" with Bootleg Falco. Berdly essentially wanted to make a world where he could mooch off of Noelle's work for eternity, because likes feeling superior. I don't hate Berdly per se, but he's not THAT sympathetic either. Also, nice touch with the Mr. Freeze pun at 15:57. I can also understand Kris' (hypothetical) motivation for going down this road: "This Dark World business is like one of my Japanese RPGs. In those games, you get stronger by defeating enemies. Maybe if I encourage Noelle to freeze some hostile Darkners, she'll get more confident in herself!" That said, I think some of the intended wholesomeness here is muddled with some of the more sinister Snowgrave interactions from the game, like being pushy towards Noelle (PROCEED and all that). Also, the ThornRing actively hurts the wearer. Kind of a lousy first date gift lol. Again, none of this is actual criticism. In fact, I kinda hope you expand on this concept. Think you'll do the same for the "Weird Routes" for other chapters when they come out (assuming they DO have Weird Routes, of course)? ...Huh. Long comment, isn't it? I'll see myself out. Have a good one.
"I never thought to view the Weird Route in this context, it's actually a novel idea. Good editing work too" I'm glad you enjoyed! I did put a lot of work into this project and I'm glad I'm finally through with it. "Berdly essentially wanted to make a world where he could mooch off of Noelle's work for eternity, because likes feeling superior." Finally someone understands. A lot of people are upset that I treated berdly the way I did. But it's remotely because of him using Noelle for his own benefits with nothing in return. He can't stand on his own as a character thats why he resorts to using Noelle for her wits and ego. I've stated this numeral times but I'm glad to see someone else to see it the way I do. I've seen berdly's character archetype multiple times in various media and I can't stand it. So to be able to kill that certain character, brings me nothing but delight. He's not the worst type of person, of course and there's a redeeming factor but hey, I'm biased. Sue me. "Also, nice touch with the Mr. Freeze pun" I just had to include that comic, it's too good for that scene. imgur.com/a/D0KgHcq "I can also understand Kris' (hypothetical) motivation for going down this road" It's sorta that way, but we can't be certain what deltarune holds beyond chapter 2. So lets just leave it as "Darkeners that have been slain will recover with Queen's power." I'm not a huge fan of murdering the innocent, but if thats the price to pay to slay berdly, so be it. "That said, I think some of the intended wholesomeness here is muddled with some of the more sinister Snowgrave interactions from the game" I'm aware and I wanted it to be that way. To leave original Snowgrave mixed with my writing and make it from Snowgrave into Wholesomegrave. To change it from pushy into consensual love. "Also, the ThornRing actively hurts the wearer. Kind of a lousy first date gift lol." Correct, but hey. Marriage always comes at a cost. And here I envisioned the whole thorn ring deal as the "marriage ritual". Somewhat influenced by Dark Souls 3. "Again, none of this is actual criticism" I appreciate your comment very much, thank you, be it criticism or not. "I kinda hope you expand on this concept." People asked me to make missing scenes encore with Farris Wheel ride with Noelle but I'd digress. I think I'm done with this project and I want to move on, considering the amount of time I've already put into it. I do have another idea I want to make in the future but it will be a bit more grim? We'll see. "Think you'll do the same for the "Weird Routes" for other chapters when they come out (assuming they DO have Weird Routes, of course)?" No promises. But if I'll get inspired by something I'll definitely put my passion into it, as you can see here. I personally think there won't be any weird routes. I hope so, at least. I want Toby to expand with this route and focus on it primarly, it has a lot of potential, after all. "...Huh. Long comment, isn't it? I'll see myself out. Have a good one." Thanks for your time, for watching and for writing this comment. And I hope I shed some light behind the ideas as well as answered some of your concerns.
@@Tikondrys >I'm not a huge fan of murdering the innocent, but if thats the price to pay to slay berdly, so be it. That's weird, bro. Berdly's just a dumb teenager with social issues. Obviously it's just a game, but you don't really think a dumbass kid with insecurity issues warrants mass genocide, do you?
@@Tikondrys the thing about berdly is that he sorta has to get help from Noelle, if he doesn't his grades tumble and he goes back to being the forgettable blue bird again and if the universal mother theory is to be believed his home life wouldn't be that great either, it's fairly clear that the spelling bee was probably his first time getting praise, a person who had recieved praise before wouldn't alter essentially their whole personality to be about what got them praise, and, has he has stated the only reason he's as good as he is is that Noelle helps him, he knows things are going to go wrong when Noelle can't help him anymore, he knows he'll be reduced to nothing, and he definitely does care about Noelle as a person as seen in the weird route
@@Tikondrys#1: Berdly is a child who probably doesn't have a good home life #2: Noelle ain't taking Berdly's tests for him #3: This is still a pretty abusive relationship #4: Frozen Darkners don't show up in the Castle Town because they aren't recruited even if darkners could be restored they can't be. You still did a good job, though, just a few things I noticed.
I am so glad I found this, I'm extremely happy that I see something so wholesomely awesome yet at the same time dark in the mix. Seriously, it's something that I never thought I'd see at all! I hope in the future something similar will happen if possible to have the same form of passion as this one.😍🥰👌🏻👍🏻
speaking as a fellow victim of noelle brainrot, just entirely skipping over the scene that implies noelle and susie fucked is A Choice this is a fun au but im not into the idea that its how snowgrave "should have gone"
I personally liked how this ended. Instead of Kris opening a dark fountain, it’s instead Kris falling asleep next to Noelle on the couch, and then Noelle falls asleep (presumably). Sure, Berdly is dead (which doesn’t really matter) and Noelle is crazy with the idea of “getting stronger”, though I prefer that over another dark fountain opening.
Base it around N-Act if you want to focus on noelle becoming more confident or SleepMist if you want to push the agenda of working together. Make her learn a spell called SilentNight (spares all enemies even when they aren’t tired) to defeat berdly in a way the game doesn’t expect, so berdly is sidelined and noelle gets to stick around, but this time you did it through friendship, compassion, love, and the Deltarune equivalent of a tranquilliser gun!
@@jackmoseley4959 Oh my goodness yes!!! It could be just like the Snowgrave route in the sense of having to back track and find every enemy encounter, but instead of attacking them, you just have to spare like you normally would in a pacifist route. & so once you do that to every enemy that's shown up, eventually it'll get to the point where they all still show up, but they stop attacking you, and instead just become NPCs or something. As for the Addison who offers the Freeze Ring, obviously it wouldn't make sense for them to take it, but in this route, perhaps the option to take it wouldn't even come up; I could see Noelle getting a burst of confidence & just saying no thank you, then happily guiding Kris away to continue on their journey together. Then once they encounter Berdly, the Silent Night spell would appear in place of where the Snowgrave spell would be on the screen (or maybe it could appear sometime before that?). So the battle ends with Berdly being okay and simply falling asleep, but clearly still safe and healthy. Presumably I'd imagine he still shows up again later just like in the canon pacifist route, & all of his interactions & dialogue there would probably be the same. Seeing as how I'm polyamorous myself, a lot of my ships also tend to be, so I would personally love it if the Suselle ferris wheel thing also still happened. I love the idea of Noelle growing closer to both Kris and Susie and joining the group, them talking about everything together, and then perhaps ending up in some sort of polycule. Perhaps this could even lead to Ralsei learning his own version of Silent Night from Noelle? I honestly wonder if there might be some jealousy there on his part (as that seems to be implied towards the end of the Snowgrave route), but if that's even the case at all here, he wouldn't appear angry about it, and then would also still talk about his feelings, and things would quickly get resolved. I think Noelle and Ralsei would be surprised by just how much they could relate to one another, too. As for how the last scene ends... I guess this possibly means that the beginning of Chapter 3 would have to be completely different, because of Kris presumably not even creating the dark fountain at all? & even if they did, Toriel would still probably be there, but Susie wouldn't (though I'm sure she would still find the dark world soon enough anyway, as would Ralsei), but I'm not sure if Undyne would still be on her way to the house, either. (Come to think of it, I guess it seems like Kris didn't actually slash the car's tires here, either. So I guess Toriel would have no reason to call Undyne.) It's quite interesting to think about and makes me wonder what it would be like if someone created a mod or something for an extra route like this! I totally would do it myself if not for the fact that I know basically nothing about coding 😅
This would be better if it was just a more wholesome weird route where less manipulation goes on and its just Kris and Noelle freezing everyone because Noelle doesn’t think anything is real So in a way less manipulative until you get to Berdly, where Noelle would have to decide whether or not Berdly is real either
The only thing I find hard to believe here is Noelle being so glad about killing Berdly, as they were best friends. Other than that, it's a really cool concept! Although I bet Kris is even more pissed at us now
@@ZombPlayyz really? She was giving creeped out vibes early in the game. And yeah, I suppose. I also just realized this isn't official. I'm absolutely crushed
@@poopsiepop4179 They're definitely not best friends, and Berdly is leeching off her for success, but Noelle is not the type of person to celebrate over murdering her classmate in cold blood. This is an awesome video but I'm glad it's not official since Noelle is very out of character considering what we know about her from Rudy.
@@abitoforangutangu3194 agreed. I'd think it'd be better for her to be traumatized and or repeating to herself that he was a leech in order to gaslight herself into thinking it was justified
I don't think it really fits Noelle's personality at all to turn against Berdly like that. Noelle may get annoyed by Berdly every now and then, but they are clearly still friends. Plus, the Light World being so lighthearted and cheerful doesn't make any sense in the context of the story. In my opinion, it's pretty arrogant to refer to this as "what Snowgrave should've been" when it feels like a massive downgrade.
Kriselle dawg... this is why I love Deltarune... Kris and Noelle are so nice together... it brings me to tears of joy knowing their happy together... I'll continue to pour my heart and soul into Deltarune and Undertale until I die... my children are gonna grow up with this man... watch... thank you for making this man...
I've always suspected that I had Noelle syndrome, and this video confirmed that for me. Seriously though, this is great. I've never been so overjoyed by an ending until I saw this. This is just great, man. Would definitely make Noelle my ice queen 👌
I'm glad to have dissipate any doubt regarding your Noelle syndrome, it's not a bad one to have. I'm very happy to hear that you enjoyed it! That means my efforts weren't for naught. >Would definitely make Noelle my ice queen 👌 Based.
Kris making a harem with mindbroken teammates sounds like a thing Toby would do. Probably. Watch me immediately regret saying that come the next chapter.
Nah, I think Toby's version will be more harsh and ultimately will bite you in the neck, refer to NEO Spamton's dialogue. To make it clear that evil never wins. But here's hoping for subverted expectations. C2 definitely put up a high bar.
TFW you will never snuggle on the couch with your murderous mindbroken reindeer gf after an enjoyable day spent on a killing spree date. You will never decimate a shopkeeper in order to steal her an adorable token of your love which also makes her a more efficient tool of slaughter, you will never play deadly pranks on each other vary narrowly killing each other and then having a good laugh about it. You will never watch in awe and horror as she obliterates one of her oldest friends without a second thought and expresses joy at his passing, a sentiment you undoubtedly share. You will never meet outside her place to discuss future genocide outings to strengthen your bond and yourselves at the same time. Why even live?
Are you insane or just a really enthusiastic kris x noelle shipper because this is not at all how snowgrave should have went, toby had the best idea and we all liked it, well cool animation i guess???????
feels like they kind of missed the point of any "romantic" interactions between kris and noelle in snow grave. its not supposed to be cute its supposed to feel gross and weird because it IS. i enjoy this ship but saying this is how snow grave "shouldve" gone is arrogant.
Good one even a more logical bc after killing berdly noelle would become not be that innocent and scared like she was in original ending so yeah this is a good animation
Not gonna lie... I started tearing and then bursting into tears the moment reunited started playing near the end... thst song holds a special place in my heart especially after beating Undertale fir the first time... so many laughs and smiles spent with Sans and Papyrus... vibing out to Undyne's battle theme... having it here just makes me happier and more nostalgic... thank you.
You're very much welcome, and thank you for enjoying the video so much. When I was making the video I also teared up on that moment. I'm really happy how it all turned out.
@@NickFunkin-9228 Thanks for the compliment! I had some plans to make a follow up to that but ultimately scrapped it - it would be something along the lines of the player's soul alongside Noelle fighting Kris and his party like this. imgur.com/a/jEhf0db At the time, I don't have any plans to do another one of these, but maybe chapter 3 will give me some inspiration, who knows? I want to know how Toby will handle the followup to snowgrave.
@@Tikondrys#1: The weird route is manipulation #2: Helping someone study isn't manipulation, Noelle chooses to study with him, he clearly cares about her, in fact, Noelle likely chose to study with him first, since Noelle helping him is likely why he thought she had a crush on him.
@@Tikondrys ?? what are you talking about? shes manipulated by US through KRIS. im no berdly enthusiast, but he didnt do anything to her except try to help when he notices somethings off about kris, and noelle is clearly in a daze/uncomfortable. hes a bit stupid, but he is a good friend when he needs to be. noelle clearly cares about him. youd have to be playing the game with your eyes closed to think he was at all manipulating her.
Ok finally finished watching this in its entirety. This was very lovely but oh boy were you mean to Berdly there. I mean it was funny and all but come on now, don't twist noelle into that type of person. I am still VERY impressed by this! I did noticed a lot of time you kept having Noelle use "He" and "Him" when she talking about Kris here and there. Just a reminder that Kris goes by "they/them" that's in the text and also confirmed by Toby. But that's just a minor mistake honestly.
@John Jennen no matter how you twist it kris goes by they them pronouns idiot Besides its a Fricking pronoun, just use it and stop making it this hard impossible task you can't do and thus complain about, if you want a actually hard task try getting a life.
I feel like this was created because someone wanted to show off Kris x Noelle. But other than that, this isn't half bad. And the part where Noelle uses Snowgrave on Berdly, that was cold the way she did it. She even made a joke before freezing him to death. Hell, she's happy he gave someone else a piece of that oxygen. Its...interesting to say the least.
Imagine just Noelle talking to kris and Susie for chapter 4 in this case, just a ending that has: Chapter 1: Murder. Chapter 2: Snowgrave/Hypothermia Ending Chapter 3: “ Catsnatch “ Edning (Catti & Jockington told.) Chapter 4: Snowgrave. (AGAIN, + Catti, I feel like Jockington will be sick.) Chapter 5: dunno. Chapter 6: dunno. chapter 7: dunno.
@@kitcringe according to my calculations, deltarune has a chance of releasing in early 2024 or december 2023, at best it could release in october 2023 and at worst it could release in middle or even late 2024 (if we get real unlucky)
For whatever reason I ship noelle and kris and I dont exactly know why. I know noelle is a lesbian and I know kris is non binary (personally I think kris is a boy but they go by they/them) but I just like those 2 characters.
Noelle and kris were childhood friends most chap 2 is kris and noelle alone and also noelle x susie is kind of random. So kriselle is a good ship. And know you know why
Id you really wanted to ship kriselle you could've just used a normal route and have kris enter noelle's room instead of susie but no you decided to create whatever this is
Local madman releases manifesto shortly before the court orders him to stay 1000 feet away from any nearby forests with deer populations.
Okay this is a good one.
@@Tikondrys In the base game I feel like the snowgrave route had almost romantic under tones at certain parts and this video sort of highlights that.
@@mikesales5339 Yes, that is the point of the video. I wanted to make an accent on it to make it more wholesome.
@@Tikondryshm, murder, manipulation of those who can’t say no, and forcing a lesbian into a technically heterosexual relationship (technically heterosexual, Kris is non binary so), good job making those wholesome, like, seriously, you did a good job.
@@gingergingey8271 Thank you! I tried my best and I'm definitely happy with the result. I'm glad you're pleased with it too.
"Berdly's dead"
"NICE!"
Nice nice very nice Kris - chan
i can't get over the freaking music being as cheery as it can be, we literally convinced a high schooler to enjoy murder
HOORAY BERDLYS DEAD
like what did berdly do to you lol
He existed. But Noelle fixed that, thankfully.
@@Tikondrys welp there he goes
@@MirroredWinterThis, but unironically.
There is something really unsettling to me as to how this is presented as a happy-go-lucky ending, the comments really don't help with that either
Agreed, they just committed genocide wtf are the comments on about 🤨
Noelle, after committing genocide: Lol i'm so quirky lets watch a horror movie
Yeah and the worst part is it doesn’t seem like this is a joke or a parody. It’s like this was made 100% unironically and is attracting all the edgy Noelle brainrot comments.
@@cloudirubez07bro literally they he/himed kris, this feels completely fucking unironic
@@cloudirubez07 brainr.. rot rot brainrnentaad
*deltarizz*
i saw the word combination i cannot stop thinking how good of a joke au it could be
Anyone else that ships Noelle and Kris mostly because of the last scene?
I mean I always ship them
Ship
Because I'm looking for another ship lol
I'm hoping we can get some slightly different endings where we can get
1: suselle ending
2: krusie ending
3: kralsei ending
4: kruelle ending
Always have. i just love the "Childhood friend gets the MC" Storyline so much
@@termicrafteron2794 yeah me too
Okay the major thing that doesn't quite work is just how alright she is about murdering berdly lmao think that would require a bit more time to be okay with.
That being said her enjoying everything else I mean shit she admits she enjoyed it in the normal snow grave route at the mouse puzzle and even asked to find more enemies to kill so she is a bit twisted herself lmao so yeah honestly besides the berdly bit this seems mostly plausible lol good job
I mean increasing your love or exp if Noelle was affected by the fights in an Undertale fashion would make her more capable or impulsive to hurt others. It's like a dark side that grows as you fight.
@@myonlineid9141 The "It's natural" line does seem to contribute to this theory, she was even thinking about letting Kris get fried.
@@kaden1991
Not only that, but there was the whole section on the Snowgrave Route where Noelle insists on doing the puzzle herself, trying to rationalize her decisions whilst ignoring her better judgment. Something to note however, is the fact that she's wearing the Thorn Ring, so it's questionable how much of her actions were influenced by the Player corrupting her into harming others and the trance she's put under with the Thorn Ring.
Honestly I blame her mother considering she tried to murder her dad an abuses her, to my point of view she may think that Kris is helping her to get stronger to not suffer any more
She became obsesed with power
And let her get ahead of herself
Noelle will never ask to stay the night because she feels safer with you than with her abusive mother.
Her mother is probably not abusive but strict? Who knows, we can only wait for Toby's representation of her. But yeah that was the idea.
@@Tikondrys Everyone says Ralsei is the hidden evil character but Mrs. Holiday is poisoning Mr. Holiday.
Her mom isn't abusive jusy too strict
☺♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥Aww that sweet kris sleeping with noelle but You're guys a right were noelle's mother🤨 hmmm im wonder🤔oh well this video too romantic but is okey i like it
ohhh!? noelle sleep with kris let's go dude wait...why same like me? im with nikki she stay my house too I'm too lazy so im sleep first she blushing im sleep the nikki's bottom and.... she said good night
Kris and noelle's friendship is actually very wholesome to be honest but not very much on the snowgrave route because your basically just using her to murder and you the player are just a murderer to the NPCs.
Yknow, this noelle route could basically work as a substitute for the snowgrave route if a few things were changed (first of all she should feel more regret, especially when being told that the dark world is real.), so its like, noelle is being manipulated into getting strong AND forcing a bond bewteen her and kris (and also prevent susie and noelle from getting together.), like some kind of abusive relationship.
I actually had an idea for a route wich has a similar outcome, but just a bit of a less gruesome way to achieve. Heres basically what you do
1. Route starts when noelle joins your party (all enemies must be defeated with mercy up to that point)
2. When you meet her, you re-track the same way as in snowgrave, but instead you beat all enemies with mercy, specifically including noelle more in acts, that way teaching her how battles work, and how to act by herself.
3. After that keep going through cyber city with a few rules
1) no damage must be taken EVER, until the berdly fight
2) noelle must never get hit by mice in the puzzles (falling in mouse room 3 doesnt matter)
3) specific dialogue options must be chosen
4) the cheese maze must be done perfectly
5) all enemies must be spared/sleepmisted
Changes: When talking to the addison about dating shoes, if all of these requirements were met, a new dialogue option will appear. Instead of "were friends" and "were something else" youre gonna be able to say "Were best friends" or "were just friends". Obviously the first option must be chosen.
When interacting with the ferris wheel poster, and if "i will ride with you" is chosen, noelle will be way more cheerful about riding with kris, and will say that something makes her feel, that kris wont shake the wheel this time.
Quite a lot of more changed dialogue wich im just too lazy to type
Until the third mouse room, everything will go normal,exceot more cutscenes and changed dialogue. Than, when noelle climbs on the platform of the puzzle, she eill have an inner monologue again, just like in the snowgrave route, exceot this time she will be more cheerful, and apreciate what kris is doing, and start to wonder if they want things to go back to how they were when they were kids.
Than shes suddenly cut off by the platform starting to fall, and than the puzzle goes like normally. Berdly arrives aswell, except this time noelle is more mad at him for not noticing her and criticizing kris. After than she talks to kris on how berdlys self ego is too high and he csred more about the fact that he wasnt the one who did the puzzle, than the fact that kris saved her life. Than after that you must still not get hit in the poppup encounter in the next room, but doing that is optional.
Than the berdly fight, wich starts off similar to snowgrave. Berdly notices how noelle is too attached to kris and assumes the worst, that kris is manipulating her onto being on their side and using her. Noelle tries explaining everything, but its no use, than the fight starts. It goes kinda the same as the snowgrave one, exceot berdly does more attacks and they are tougher than their normal forms. He also only targets kris for the whole battle. The only act optoons you have are talk (wich does nothing) and talk with noelle. Than she basically tries explaining herself many times but only failing. Attacking berdly will just cause hin to block the attack off. The fight cannot be ended unless kris falls in battle. To prevent people not understanding that they must die, berdlys attacks get tougher every turn until they are literally unavoidable.
After kris falls, noelle freaks out, since she has never seen anyone fall in battle before, since the whole area had to be no hit. She gets very scared and berdly tries explaining to her what happened, but she cuts him off, by iceshocking him, leaving him on the floor. He does survive tho, just badly hurt. After than noelle attempts getting kris back up with heal prayer and succeeds. Berdly than says he will stop kris later simce he is too weak to keep fighting, and walks slowly away, saying that queen will know what to do.
The rest of the cyber city goes normally, except berdly is nowhere to be seen, and you cant give him the gift.
When you reach infront of the queens mansion, queen will attempt trapping noelle, susie, kris and ralsei, but only succeeds with ralsei and susie, sending them away,since kris striked the cage away from noelle and dodged his. Than the fight with queen occurs, in wich you can act by convincing her, or fight, in this fight what you do doesnt matter at all. You only fight her with noelle and kris, so its a little harder. After that, queen still manages to capture them, by distracting them, and berdly finally arrives to tell queen the news. He is angered by the fact that queen captured noelle, but she ends up capturing him aswell, and now making him take the spot of noelle as being her main minion. Than shortly about the queens mansion, your party will now consist of kris susie and noelle, since berdly is now in noelles room, wich is now his, and ralsei decides to run off just like berdly in the normal route. Everything happens as usually, except the acid tunnel is between noelle and kris, and theres no ferris wheel scene, except noelle and kris just go to reason with berdly and rescue him. Than afrerwards, there is no regular queen fight, only giga queen, except this time berdly is in the place of noelle, and more stuff happens that im too lazy to type. Well eventually after a totally normal ending, noelle again figures out it wasnt a dream and comes over to kris, except this time she comes togerher with susie aswell. Kris again doesnt make a fountain
Ok damn that took a long time to write, but i still wouldnt be surprised if the replies were flooded with "aint readin allat"
"I read allat"
I really like this idea, If someone makes a mod for that, I will be extremaly happy
@@cecilcoelho if i learn to code i would
Idea: Like Snowgrave aborting right before Berdly, you can and must tell Berdly “I’m protecting her from you!”
Also no-hit is dumb, no-downing is better if necessary.
I read allat
“Art for art's sake is an empty phrase. Art for the sake of truth, art for the sake of the good and the beautiful, that is the faith I am searching for.”
― George Sand
civ4 quote god that brings back memory's
How to get banned from all deer enclosures 101
noelle brainrot is a hell of a drug
Powered by autism, Noelle brainrot and sheer will.
This actually makes me less worried about why this got made@@Tikondrys
The scene at the end where they rest togheter is adorable
it feels weird to see a good ending after snowgrave, especially the part where noelle said she was glad berdly was dead.
Nobody really cares about this little bird
@@FoxyGamesBR he can be annoying as fuck but he doesnt deserve this ending
@@circlez_6367 nah
@@circlez_6367i agree, berdly Is an annoying twat but he doesnt deserve to just take as a joke when he is dead.
However, Noelle's reaction here Is not out of character, as she grew stronger and bolder, i am not surprised she resent berdly always cutting her out of conversations, interrupting her and being.. well, berdly, without apologizing.
You know what? You get to sit at the cool kid's table now!
I'm honored, thank you.
I always liked seeing cheery music in terrifying scenarios, it makes it feel like the content is telling you nothing is wrong, despite everything being wrong
31:50
* Don't forget to wash your hands, *deer.*
I really wanted to make that put but didn't. However I did use that word for a reason!
Why do I find this actually pretty cute?
Kris x Noelle is.. interesting.
yeah but really it isn’t kris’s choice, its ours to be with noelle
@@manteroid yeah and there’s actually some evidence that kris might have a crush on susie (jesus why tf do so many people in deltarune have a crush on susie lmao
i can’t remember all of the evidence but what i do remember is when susie asks who kris wants to take to the festival, the only awnser which kris doesn’t sound confused in is when the player chooses susie. along with the minor detail that the susietea heals 120 hp to kris. of course the 120 hp thing probably doesn’t mean anything because a party member’s tea healing another party member 120 hp could just signify them being good friends.
I find this pretty cute as well.
@@Brajxdv Glad it’s not just me!
I would like this more than what we got as the ending of chapter 2. Noelle and Kris look good together.
Not counting skipping over things, simply changing the music, or mere zooming, here are the subtle edits I noticed:
8:09
10:05
12:10
14:00
15:03
15:45
15:57
23:36
24:13
Then, everything after 26:24 is essentially different.
Then, everything after 38:36 is just music.
Good eye. I'll probably seperate the video by chapters soon but I won't go as far as to point to edits themselves because it would ruin the image as a whole.
>Rewriting Weird Route so Noelle isn't board the whole way.
Okay.
>Writing that Noelle doesn't like horror movies.
Who's hey there buddy let's back it up a bit.
Looks to me like Toriel only THINKS Noelle doesn't like horror movies. Rudy canonically has the same misconception.
the Deltarune fandom does simply wonderful things, in short, pure art.
I have almost completely forgotten about Deltarune somehow so I will go ahead and replace my memory of the game with this video
haven't you played chapter 2?
@@justawhitecat I have, doesn't mean I remember much of it
@@Whyamibzsdmh Amnesia Gang Rise Up!!!
My Noelle syndrome just went of the roof now, thank you so much man.
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed!
@@Tikondrys BRO it's a fanmade?, I can not make me see the message "both know that she would freeze you easily", and I can not make her blush when I put the ring I need to know if it is a fanmade I have been trying for 2 hours
@@carnalpulpo2351 Yes, this is fanmade by myself. Sorry about the confusion, haha, it's funny that you tried to replicate it in game. I really tried my best to make it seem like a proper route and looks like it worked.
@@Tikondrys I'm crying right now.
this is such a good relationship between characters to play out, but it is just so messed up lol. It is so bad to see Noelle literally happy about Berdly being dead, but damn this route do be dark!
While I'm still not wild about the thought of brainwashing Noelle into some kind of fucked up relationship, I adore the Kriselle ship. If there was a mod where you could romance Noelle without all the death and abusive relationship stuff, it'd be even better. No death, just cute fluff.
Yea, I totally agree. Just cute fluff would be wholesome. (Especially since Kris doesn't resist the player here.)
You got point
The normal route in ch2, especially the cyber city segment, is filled with "Kris flirts with Noëlle" options. I remember how surprised I was when playing ch2 the first Time. I kinda like the fact Toby set up a "love polygon" that could have multiple outcomes. I mean, the main characters are teens going trough puberty, it's no surprise they all want to make out with each other. I Wonder if Toby did that to test if the fandom would be interested in a different outcome than the stale Noëlle/Susie thing.
I think there's a good chance Toby will do something similar to The Witcher 3. In that game, depending on your choices and actions, characters get together or not. You Can also complete the game without any romance if you wish to (that's what I did when I played the game), hell apparently you Can even romance two chicks at once 🤨
If Toby does something like that, he could satisfy most of the fans, even people like me who are looking for Gaster and don't want to see any ship becoming a thing.
@@laguet93 dont you remember gaster ch1 where he gives you an egg
But that can be anyone else so maybe it wasnt our mystery man
@@danieleristavi2491 I mean, he just gives you an egg. I want to solve the Gaster mystery and help the Guy create his "NEW FUTURE", whatever he means by that. I firmly believe in the 2018 Fragment theory that was made before ch1 (and the Switch version of UT) dropped.
If the man is Gaster related, he's defenetly a Fragment, a pretty Big one given his omnipotence. But like you said, it's hard to tell if they're related, tho the sweepstakes heavily imply that it's the case, and rn, I don't see what else The Man could be anyways.
While I personally won't call this "How weird route/snowgrave should have gone" it's still pretty amazing and well made, I wish I had the skills to make my ship fic come alive like this (and I say this as unironic as I can, i'm not being sarcastic)
Looking forward if you ever make any more Kriselle Bastardization arc in the future
Wait this *isn't* official?
@@poopsiepop4179 it is not
@@blastthechaos6083 my day has been ruined and my soul ahs been crushed
you won
you got $0
you became better friends with Noelle!
So... you do know that chapter 2 happens in a friday right? Since Alphys established that tomorrow isn't a school day when you talk to her, and Susie in this fic say that they'll meet up at school tomorrow (maybe they will get in there somehow in this world or the others!).
Well...entrance to the Castle Town remains in school closet...so I guess they will be ABLE to meet at school to visit Ralsei (sneak in...or something).
While the berdly parts feel kinda forced, mindbreaking Noelle is lowkey based, I'd definitely make her my ice queen
Based
What the fuck..
Don't say that
jail
she likes susie you stupid head
this is sick, if only it were playable it would be only slightly better than perfect, because it already is
Maybe Toby will bless us in the future by continuing snowgrave. I hope so at least.
@@Tikondrys I at least doubt that nothing will come of it. The canon snowgrave messes her up a great deal and makes her terrified of you, no way that won't be continued in some way.
This deserves more views . Also this is kind of what I wanted from snowgrave Lokey. Still amazing it just will be interesting if this is the way you romance Noelle . It be messed up but pretty cool
I really loved this, Normally i don't ship them but, i enjoyed see them in the end.
You deserve more views dude :).
Instead of brain there is Noelle.
Jokes aside.
Thank you for everything you've done, It was a pleasure to watch, really. Animations, conversation between Kris and Noelle - top notch content.
Love you forever.
So in this version Noelle's a lot more on board it seems...
I would probably believe this Concept more if Noelle has been with The Gang in Darkworld adventures since Chapter 1 and froze everyone, including Lancer. At least there her shift in personality could be more built up and believable.
The good ending
No slashed tires/Mom calling the police
No soul-ripping
Frozen turkey
Got the girl
Fell asleep together on the couch
No dark world in the living room
Also no berdly
@@dylanzlol7293 that's what they meant by Frozen Turkey
@@MuffinTheGamer2009 thats a different thing, you get free food. And at the same time, no burghley
@@dylanzlol7293 since when did they say you get free food? Where is that implied? There is nothing else they could be referring to other than using Snowgrave on Berdly.
@@MuffinTheGamer2009 frozen turkey is food
Truthly amazing work you did, i have such pleasant emotions out of this and not even i have the noelle syndrome after chapter 1, the only weird thing is Noelle gets so confident while and after the events of snowgrave, but yeah i really like it i cant deny.
(the king and queen of genocide together.)
Thank you! To invoke emotion was my initial goal and I'm glad you enjoyed.
P.S. I didn't have Noelle syndrome from C1 and it only affected me after playing C2, so yeah. If you compare it to the original game Noelle gets confident either way after snowgrave so it wasn't my idea but Toby's - reference the scene when they wake up and Noelle straight up asks if Susie has a tail or not to which Susie answers "Of course I don't!" then Noelle goes "I see." and leaves. Then at the hospital - Noelle doesn't want to let go of the controller - because she wants to be in control.
@@Tikondrys Yeah, that's the consequences of purging the entire city, imagine the next purges we would make with that cursed and twisted sword, just that.
Ps: I was referring as me the one who have the noelle syndrome at ch1.
@@Tikondrys Yeah she wanted to be in control, but in the pacifist version of that it's the same thing, only that she says it's her battle and simply asks him to just tell her what to do instead.
In snowgrave, it's different. She rejects it and insists she'll control it herself, sounding *scared* about it even, for clear reasons.
Both versions she wants control, but they're in different ways.
So sweet... I love Kriselle
Me too
People might get mad at me in the comments for this but
I SHIP KRIS X NOELLE
Well me too bro!
I also do
ME TOO , THATS THE MOST FUCKING LOGICAL SHIP IN DELTARUNE, NOW FIGHT ME SUSIELLE SHIPPERS
i just enjoy the game
I Don't think this is a good video to put this on especially because this is based on a route where us as kris manipulate neolle into killing people
I'm not saying i dislike Noelle being kinda of a psychopath and enjoyed literally KILLING a person, but that just seems kinda off character. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut this IS kinda of an AU, so it doesn't really matter, does it?
UGH... WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN
Hey, maybe we'll achieve it, if the dog wills so.
don't worry brother...
*THE FANFICS EXIST FOR A REASON*
I see that Noelle Syndrome has been spreading lately. Best way to fight a pandemic is with another pandemic. That's how disease control works, right?
Okay for real, not bad at all. You put a lot of effort into this, and I never thought to view the Weird Route in this context, it's actually a novel idea. Good editing work too (I particularly like the fade-out timed with the song at 14:10).
Some observations (sorry in advance for the text wall):
I can actually kinda see why Noelle would have some, er "beef" with Bootleg Falco. Berdly essentially wanted to make a world where he could mooch off of Noelle's work for eternity, because likes feeling superior. I don't hate Berdly per se, but he's not THAT sympathetic either. Also, nice touch with the Mr. Freeze pun at 15:57.
I can also understand Kris' (hypothetical) motivation for going down this road: "This Dark World business is like one of my Japanese RPGs. In those games, you get stronger by defeating enemies. Maybe if I encourage Noelle to freeze some hostile Darkners, she'll get more confident in herself!"
That said, I think some of the intended wholesomeness here is muddled with some of the more sinister Snowgrave interactions from the game, like being pushy towards Noelle (PROCEED and all that). Also, the ThornRing actively hurts the wearer. Kind of a lousy first date gift lol.
Again, none of this is actual criticism. In fact, I kinda hope you expand on this concept. Think you'll do the same for the "Weird Routes" for other chapters when they come out (assuming they DO have Weird Routes, of course)?
...Huh. Long comment, isn't it? I'll see myself out. Have a good one.
"I never thought to view the Weird Route in this context, it's actually a novel idea. Good editing work too"
I'm glad you enjoyed! I did put a lot of work into this project and I'm glad I'm finally through with it.
"Berdly essentially wanted to make a world where he could mooch off of Noelle's work for eternity, because likes feeling superior."
Finally someone understands. A lot of people are upset that I treated berdly the way I did. But it's remotely because of him using Noelle for his own benefits with nothing in return. He can't stand on his own as a character thats why he resorts to using Noelle for her wits and ego. I've stated this numeral times but I'm glad to see someone else to see it the way I do.
I've seen berdly's character archetype multiple times in various media and I can't stand it. So to be able to kill that certain character, brings me nothing but delight. He's not the worst type of person, of course and there's a redeeming factor but hey, I'm biased. Sue me.
"Also, nice touch with the Mr. Freeze pun"
I just had to include that comic, it's too good for that scene. imgur.com/a/D0KgHcq
"I can also understand Kris' (hypothetical) motivation for going down this road"
It's sorta that way, but we can't be certain what deltarune holds beyond chapter 2. So lets just leave it as "Darkeners that have been slain will recover with Queen's power." I'm not a huge fan of murdering the innocent, but if thats the price to pay to slay berdly, so be it.
"That said, I think some of the intended wholesomeness here is muddled with some of the more sinister Snowgrave interactions from the game"
I'm aware and I wanted it to be that way. To leave original Snowgrave mixed with my writing and make it from Snowgrave into Wholesomegrave. To change it from pushy into consensual love.
"Also, the ThornRing actively hurts the wearer. Kind of a lousy first date gift lol."
Correct, but hey. Marriage always comes at a cost. And here I envisioned the whole thorn ring deal as the "marriage ritual". Somewhat influenced by Dark Souls 3.
"Again, none of this is actual criticism"
I appreciate your comment very much, thank you, be it criticism or not.
"I kinda hope you expand on this concept."
People asked me to make missing scenes encore with Farris Wheel ride with Noelle but I'd digress. I think I'm done with this project and I want to move on, considering the amount of time I've already put into it. I do have another idea I want to make in the future but it will be a bit more grim? We'll see.
"Think you'll do the same for the "Weird Routes" for other chapters when they come out (assuming they DO have Weird Routes, of course)?"
No promises. But if I'll get inspired by something I'll definitely put my passion into it, as you can see here. I personally think there won't be any weird routes. I hope so, at least. I want Toby to expand with this route and focus on it primarly, it has a lot of potential, after all.
"...Huh. Long comment, isn't it? I'll see myself out. Have a good one."
Thanks for your time, for watching and for writing this comment. And I hope I shed some light behind the ideas as well as answered some of your concerns.
@@Tikondrys >I'm not a huge fan of murdering the innocent, but if thats the price to pay to slay berdly, so be it.
That's weird, bro. Berdly's just a dumb teenager with social issues. Obviously it's just a game, but you don't really think a dumbass kid with insecurity issues warrants mass genocide, do you?
@@Tikondrys the thing about berdly is that he sorta has to get help from Noelle, if he doesn't his grades tumble and he goes back to being the forgettable blue bird again and if the universal mother theory is to be believed his home life wouldn't be that great either, it's fairly clear that the spelling bee was probably his first time getting praise, a person who had recieved praise before wouldn't alter essentially their whole personality to be about what got them praise, and, has he has stated the only reason he's as good as he is is that Noelle helps him, he knows things are going to go wrong when Noelle can't help him anymore, he knows he'll be reduced to nothing, and he definitely does care about Noelle as a person as seen in the weird route
@@Tikondrys#1: Berdly is a child who probably doesn't have a good home life
#2: Noelle ain't taking Berdly's tests for him
#3: This is still a pretty abusive relationship
#4: Frozen Darkners don't show up in the Castle Town because they aren't recruited even if darkners could be restored they can't be.
You still did a good job, though, just a few things I noticed.
Snowgrave route if noelle was fine with berdly dying:
I am so glad I found this, I'm extremely happy that I see something so wholesomely awesome yet at the same time dark in the mix. Seriously, it's something that I never thought I'd see at all!
I hope in the future something similar will happen if possible to have the same form of passion as this one.😍🥰👌🏻👍🏻
speaking as a fellow victim of noelle brainrot, just entirely skipping over the scene that implies noelle and susie fucked is A Choice
this is a fun au but im not into the idea that its how snowgrave "should have gone"
what
Based anon.
I personally liked how this ended. Instead of Kris opening a dark fountain, it’s instead Kris falling asleep next to Noelle on the couch, and then Noelle falls asleep (presumably). Sure, Berdly is dead (which doesn’t really matter) and Noelle is crazy with the idea of “getting stronger”, though I prefer that over another dark fountain opening.
Yeah
Somehow seeing this made me realized one thing:
Manipulation is a scary tool.
I believe this should be it's own route cause I don't think Noelle would like to ice berdly
And Noelle and Kris wouldn't be to far fetched any way
Base it around N-Act if you want to focus on noelle becoming more confident or SleepMist if you want to push the agenda of working together. Make her learn a spell called SilentNight (spares all enemies even when they aren’t tired) to defeat berdly in a way the game doesn’t expect, so berdly is sidelined and noelle gets to stick around, but this time you did it through friendship, compassion, love, and the Deltarune equivalent of a tranquilliser gun!
@@jackmoseley4959 Oh my goodness yes!!! It could be just like the Snowgrave route in the sense of having to back track and find every enemy encounter, but instead of attacking them, you just have to spare like you normally would in a pacifist route. & so once you do that to every enemy that's shown up, eventually it'll get to the point where they all still show up, but they stop attacking you, and instead just become NPCs or something.
As for the Addison who offers the Freeze Ring, obviously it wouldn't make sense for them to take it, but in this route, perhaps the option to take it wouldn't even come up; I could see Noelle getting a burst of confidence & just saying no thank you, then happily guiding Kris away to continue on their journey together.
Then once they encounter Berdly, the Silent Night spell would appear in place of where the Snowgrave spell would be on the screen (or maybe it could appear sometime before that?). So the battle ends with Berdly being okay and simply falling asleep, but clearly still safe and healthy. Presumably I'd imagine he still shows up again later just like in the canon pacifist route, & all of his interactions & dialogue there would probably be the same.
Seeing as how I'm polyamorous myself, a lot of my ships also tend to be, so I would personally love it if the Suselle ferris wheel thing also still happened. I love the idea of Noelle growing closer to both Kris and Susie and joining the group, them talking about everything together, and then perhaps ending up in some sort of polycule.
Perhaps this could even lead to Ralsei learning his own version of Silent Night from Noelle? I honestly wonder if there might be some jealousy there on his part (as that seems to be implied towards the end of the Snowgrave route), but if that's even the case at all here, he wouldn't appear angry about it, and then would also still talk about his feelings, and things would quickly get resolved. I think Noelle and Ralsei would be surprised by just how much they could relate to one another, too.
As for how the last scene ends... I guess this possibly means that the beginning of Chapter 3 would have to be completely different, because of Kris presumably not even creating the dark fountain at all? & even if they did, Toriel would still probably be there, but Susie wouldn't (though I'm sure she would still find the dark world soon enough anyway, as would Ralsei), but I'm not sure if Undyne would still be on her way to the house, either. (Come to think of it, I guess it seems like Kris didn't actually slash the car's tires here, either. So I guess Toriel would have no reason to call Undyne.)
It's quite interesting to think about and makes me wonder what it would be like if someone created a mod or something for an extra route like this! I totally would do it myself if not for the fact that I know basically nothing about coding 😅
to be perfectly honest, i was expecting Kris and Noelle to wake up, and Kris would open the fountain like normal, good fanmade content though!
This AU need a Name. "Iceage" maybe?
Funniest thing about spamton saying “NOT!” Is that the “as if your soul was glowing” wasnt said out loud so he was just talking to himself 😂
This would be better if it was just a more wholesome weird route where less manipulation goes on and its just Kris and Noelle freezing everyone because Noelle doesn’t think anything is real
So in a way less manipulative until you get to Berdly, where Noelle would have to decide whether or not Berdly is real either
And then of course in the light world she'd be devastated, it would be great.
The only thing I find hard to believe here is Noelle being so glad about killing Berdly, as they were best friends.
Other than that, it's a really cool concept! Although I bet Kris is even more pissed at us now
Best Friends? Thought it was implied he was leeching on her success
@@poopsiepop4179 more like him being a little desperate to be as good as her, but in the end they became really good friends
@@ZombPlayyz really? She was giving creeped out vibes early in the game. And yeah, I suppose. I also just realized this isn't official. I'm absolutely crushed
@@poopsiepop4179 They're definitely not best friends, and Berdly is leeching off her for success, but Noelle is not the type of person to celebrate over murdering her classmate in cold blood. This is an awesome video but I'm glad it's not official since Noelle is very out of character considering what we know about her from Rudy.
@@abitoforangutangu3194 agreed. I'd think it'd be better for her to be traumatized and or repeating to herself that he was a leech in order to gaslight herself into thinking it was justified
This is the cutest end actually ngl...
I love how Kris doesn't resist the player here.
good ending: player is not a demon anymore ❤
I don't think it really fits Noelle's personality at all to turn against Berdly like that. Noelle may get annoyed by Berdly every now and then, but they are clearly still friends. Plus, the Light World being so lighthearted and cheerful doesn't make any sense in the context of the story. In my opinion, it's pretty arrogant to refer to this as "what Snowgrave should've been" when it feels like a massive downgrade.
Your opinion, my choice.
Based. Thanks Anon
You're welcome, thank you.
Kriselle dawg... this is why I love Deltarune... Kris and Noelle are so nice together... it brings me to tears of joy knowing their happy together... I'll continue to pour my heart and soul into Deltarune and Undertale until I die... my children are gonna grow up with this man... watch... thank you for making this man...
THAT'S REALLY VERY GOOD!!!!
there's any chance of you make it a game?
I've always suspected that I had Noelle syndrome, and this video confirmed that for me.
Seriously though, this is great. I've never been so overjoyed by an ending until I saw this. This is just great, man.
Would definitely make Noelle my ice queen 👌
I'm glad to have dissipate any doubt regarding your Noelle syndrome, it's not a bad one to have. I'm very happy to hear that you enjoyed it! That means my efforts weren't for naught.
>Would definitely make Noelle my ice queen 👌
Based.
Kris making a harem with mindbroken teammates sounds like a thing Toby would do. Probably.
Watch me immediately regret saying that come the next chapter.
Nah, I think Toby's version will be more harsh and ultimately will bite you in the neck, refer to NEO Spamton's dialogue. To make it clear that evil never wins. But here's hoping for subverted expectations. C2 definitely put up a high bar.
15:27 if you were gonna make noelle okay with turning against berdly, wouldnt it make more sense to pick "i'm protecting her from you" here?
Some random guy: selects noelle syndrome"
Noelle : nc i enjoy it
Somebody: dam daniel noelle became the next murder.
YES YES MY BROTHER, KEEP COOKING
TFW you will never snuggle on the couch with your murderous mindbroken reindeer gf after an enjoyable day spent on a killing spree date. You will never decimate a shopkeeper in order to steal her an adorable token of your love which also makes her a more efficient tool of slaughter, you will never play deadly pranks on each other vary narrowly killing each other and then having a good laugh about it. You will never watch in awe and horror as she obliterates one of her oldest friends without a second thought and expresses joy at his passing, a sentiment you undoubtedly share. You will never meet outside her place to discuss future genocide outings to strengthen your bond and yourselves at the same time.
Why even live?
It's k, I got a polar bear gf instead.
This is good edit: amazing
the (you feel something is so off) ending but commit men in black memory [[forget]]
Are you insane or just a really enthusiastic kris x noelle shipper because this is not at all how snowgrave should have went, toby had the best idea and we all liked it, well cool animation i guess???????
yeah i am a kris x noelle shipper too but this video feels wrong
feels like they kind of missed the point of any "romantic" interactions between kris and noelle in snow grave. its not supposed to be cute its supposed to feel gross and weird because it IS. i enjoy this ship but saying this is how snow grave "shouldve" gone is arrogant.
Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.
This is adorable for all the wrong reasons.
Noelle, after committing genocide: Lol i'm so quirky lets watch a horror movie
Thats so cute must not cry
Absolute poggers
Good one even a more logical bc after killing berdly noelle would become not be that innocent and scared like she was in original ending so yeah this is a good animation
Thank you anon, its so fucking good
Always a pleasure.
I guess that’s what I like to call a match made in murder
Not gonna lie... I started tearing and then bursting into tears the moment reunited started playing near the end... thst song holds a special place in my heart especially after beating Undertale fir the first time... so many laughs and smiles spent with Sans and Papyrus... vibing out to Undyne's battle theme... having it here just makes me happier and more nostalgic... thank you.
You're very much welcome, and thank you for enjoying the video so much. When I was making the video I also teared up on that moment. I'm really happy how it all turned out.
@@Tikondrys You still making these types of videos, man? Talent like this shouldn't go to waste lol.
@@NickFunkin-9228 Thanks for the compliment! I had some plans to make a follow up to that but ultimately scrapped it - it would be something along the lines of the player's soul alongside Noelle fighting Kris and his party like this. imgur.com/a/jEhf0db
At the time, I don't have any plans to do another one of these, but maybe chapter 3 will give me some inspiration, who knows? I want to know how Toby will handle the followup to snowgrave.
@@Tikondrys Got it.
Really turned her against that Berd ye did.
Why wouldn't she? Noelle is person who got manipulated by him, why would she continue to be kind?
@@Tikondrys That, honestly. Typically manipulation don't break that easy, especially after so long.
@@Tikondrys#1: The weird route is manipulation
#2: Helping someone study isn't manipulation, Noelle chooses to study with him, he clearly cares about her, in fact, Noelle likely chose to study with him first, since Noelle helping him is likely why he thought she had a crush on him.
@@Tikondrys ?? what are you talking about? shes manipulated by US through KRIS. im no berdly enthusiast, but he didnt do anything to her except try to help when he notices somethings off about kris, and noelle is clearly in a daze/uncomfortable. hes a bit stupid, but he is a good friend when he needs to be. noelle clearly cares about him. youd have to be playing the game with your eyes closed to think he was at all manipulating her.
It’s kinda creepy that you think the snowgrave route should have gone this way…
honestly the only sane person in this comments
@@coidlacoid4922 probably
And It's fricking uncanon on 3 Things:
1. Kris is nonbinary
2. Noelle doesnt have a crush on Kris And otherwise
3. Noelle is a lesbian
late, yet i still love this.
lol same
Better late than never! Glad both of you enjoyed!
this will give such a great AU to Write!
Ok finally finished watching this in its entirety. This was very lovely but oh boy were you mean to Berdly there. I mean it was funny and all but come on now, don't twist noelle into that type of person. I am still VERY impressed by this!
I did noticed a lot of time you kept having Noelle use "He" and "Him" when she talking about Kris here and there. Just a reminder that Kris goes by "they/them" that's in the text and also confirmed by Toby. But that's just a minor mistake honestly.
@John Jennen gee I wonder why, probably not because of people like you right? Can't beeee.
@John Jennen no matter how you twist it kris goes by they them pronouns idiot
Besides its a Fricking pronoun, just use it and stop making it this hard impossible task you can't do and thus complain about, if you want a actually hard task try getting a life.
noelle:well i have done genocide let me just be chill about this
Its better than the actual ending
That was my intent, thank you.
the only thing about is that noelle just accepts herself as a murderer and enjoys it well atleast it's just an au so it's totally fine
@@Kriusis bc noelle was always a weak coward and becoming strong was making her feel satisfaction and kris helped her find her flame
@@danieleristavi2491still the murder of an entire city.
Any route where tasque manager is spared can't be all that bad.
"Iceage" AU for AU name yes no?
I like Wholesomegrave more.
@@Tikondrys Well, your AU.
@@Tikondrysnothing more wholesome than murder and manipulation
Good stuff
BRO THE BIT ABOUT BERDLY HSAHAHAHHAAHA
Cool idea on mindbreaking, but the berdly part just wasn't in character at all, and felt forced. Everything else is alright.
I feel like this was created because someone wanted to show off Kris x Noelle. But other than that, this isn't half bad. And the part where Noelle uses Snowgrave on Berdly, that was cold the way she did it. She even made a joke before freezing him to death. Hell, she's happy he gave someone else a piece of that oxygen. Its...interesting to say the least.
me and the bad bitch i got by being autistic
This is PERFECT
happy together in is entirety was crazy lmaooo
Most uncanon Video i have ever seen in my life
i need a mod about this
Imagine just Noelle talking to kris and Susie for chapter 4 in this case, just a ending that has:
Chapter 1:
Murder.
Chapter 2:
Snowgrave/Hypothermia Ending
Chapter 3:
“ Catsnatch “ Edning (Catti & Jockington told.)
Chapter 4:
Snowgrave. (AGAIN, + Catti, I feel like Jockington will be sick.)
Chapter 5:
dunno.
Chapter 6:
dunno.
chapter 7:
dunno.
Okay that video is...weird and...the comments are VERY weird...I hope that just a joke or something like that
Toby please release chapter 3, the community is on life support and has gone insane.
@@kitcringe according to my calculations, deltarune has a chance of releasing in early 2024 or december 2023, at best it could release in october 2023 and at worst it could release in middle or even late 2024 (if we get real unlucky)
@@kitcringe also chapter 3 is 100% complete its just that chapter 4 and 5 are being worked on too and they will release in a bundle
For whatever reason I ship noelle and kris and I dont exactly know why. I know noelle is a lesbian and I know kris is non binary (personally I think kris is a boy but they go by they/them) but I just like those 2 characters.
Noelle and kris were childhood friends most chap 2 is kris and noelle alone and also noelle x susie is kind of random. So kriselle is a good ship. And know you know why
Id you really wanted to ship kriselle you could've just used a normal route and have kris enter noelle's room instead of susie but no you decided to create whatever this is
poor berdly