I Spent 9 hours in LFR so you don't
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- Опубликовано: 18 мар 2020
- So in I went to just check what it was like and found the horror as described. But is there anything we can do to improve your odds.
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They should just crank down the difficulty, fill the open spots with npc after 5min qeue, and call it story mode.
@Daggernath
Lol, now it actually sounds cool xD
That could actually be the best solution I’ve heard so far
I don't know if you meant it as a joke, but it's not even a bad idea. Some people just want the story; that's fine. Obviously keep the ilvl rewards for the actual difficulty tiers, but a 'story' mode for the many people who have no interest in raiding for the sake of raiding would be interesting. It allows them to actually play out important content and conclude expansions. Plenty of people don't raid because it's too difficult or too toxic and then just miss out on a bunch of lore.
This is actually a very good idea
Honestly that sounds like a pretty good idea..
Honestly they need to turn LFR into full "tutorial" mode. They've already experimented with the concept with class trials. Imagine giant arrows over what to DPS, a WeakAura like overlay to move out of harmful effects, etc. Provide them even a sliver of a chance to learn something.
I think you are on to something. They could come up with ways to telegraph spells and abilities. This could also work for class abilities, especially those with a cast time. Have a specific kind of animation, something more easily recognizable than current character animations.
Amanda....
Are you suggesting that blizzard DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE PLAYERS?
I’ma gonna have to ask you to tone down that sense of wanting to help and buy another store mount...
You know, for the small indie company.
Great idea, and no loot for LFR.
too much work for them i guess
they couldnt even finish mythic nzoth in time
@@drjo8376 no loot from mythic make it super challenge mode only.
I have an alternative idea for you: What if LFR was just about learning the mechanics without having to "herd the sheep?" Make LFR a solo mode like the mage tower, where you're just with a limited crew of predetermined bots, and it's all about learning the mechanics yourself. Then you don't have to bribe better players with rewards that shouldn't be in LFR. And it lets players who just want to finish the quest do it at a reasonable time. In addition, it lets nervous players learn the mechanics, and maybe feel confident enough to try it out on the harder difficulties.
This sounds like a great approach! Perhaps then call it LTR or something then.
Stays away from the plague in real life.
Deliberately dives head first into pestilence ingame so you don't have to.
What a legend!
@Johnny Guillotine I'm an autistic adult.
The quarantine measures have actually caused me to have to interact with other human beings more often than I did before the corona crisis.
Thanks, you made me smile for the day (no sarcasm)
@Johnny Guillotine thing is... Emma is quarantined with Mike and the kids, she has it.
Play Unholy DK, become the plague!
Another bs on this LFR is waiting to get party and when you get inside, they already done half of the boss or it is the last boss.
@Daggernath Yeah that's the thing. If you let people know that they're about to get into a raid that's halfway through, most likely the end result would be that any run that loses the tank or a few healers would just fall flat immediately because they would have to then wait FOREVER for the next tank that's willing to pick it up to show up and it would just be faster to start up a new raid entirely. That would also be insanely irritating. If you think LFR is toxic now, imagine having a few tryhards in there that have had to kill the same 2 bosses 5 times over because they've been unlucky just to get to the last boss of the wing. And then having them wipe on those two bosses. They'd implode.
That would not be so bad if they took people who did not wait very long in the queue. Those however who waited the full duration stated on the average wait time counter should be given priority for a fresh run.
To improve it further you should be able to specify what particular bosses in a wing you are interested in. If for example you are only interested in the last boss of a wing, then the game would be more inclined to pick you for a raid group thats on that boss if available.
They should change the reward system in raid. If same to mythic system no one leaving on the party.
There needs to be a checkbox if you want to join groups that already killed something, and harsher penalties for leavers. The entire poisonous atmosphere around LFR is generated by Blizzard's incompetence to implement system that actually has consequences for player behavior, good and bad.
@@SethusDA Could reward players like they do with healer/tank queues, a little goody bag thats not much but at least says like "thanks for joining a group in progress"
LFR = story, that's why main quests include killing last Raid boss.
My grandma and her sister play LFRs. Just keep in mind that the people playing with you may be somebody's kind and lovely grandma who bakes an awesome apple pie and also likes to play WoW sometimes, and be relaxed and nice to them.
I want this perspective to be a religion
Grandma: "lol rekt git gud scrub"
Great aunt: *teabagging your corpse*
no
that's awesome.
I would love to see a new "Fresh account" series, like you did at the end of Legion. And maybe compare the different expansions with eachother, pros & cons and if it's as much of a headache as it was in legion to pug pve content.
I'd rather he didn't do that, it sounds like he'd quit out of sheer rage.
I think he's said on stream he won't do it because of how the game is now there is no point to doing a lot of stuff. Do some warfronts, assaults, and WQs and you're ready for raiding.
I don't think he has enough sanity left
The ultimate issue with the fresh account thing for BFA is access to the essences or even with those who have been playing have that problem if they say, wanted to play a healer or tank and have been maining an all DPS class, you don't get access to buying specific essence for those two roles.
Nobody wants to farm strife and conflict essence, or any other essence
I did some LFR in BFA for transmog (or attempts at mog), specifically Battle of Dazar'alor. I have absolutely zero reason to even touch LFR Ny'alotha because the LFR sets are obtainable outside LFR.
Blizzard should make LFR the "babby's first raid tutorial" version of the fights, with super clear indicators about how to deal with the different abilities, and I mean that in the best way possible. I don't care about reward scaling or shit like that, but raiding is a super daunting thing to someone who hasn't done it before and LFR could be the perfect system to get people involved.
Take the start of this fight for example. The pull begins and everyone starts to phase. The tanks get a message on screen: Tank Psychus onto Synapses to allow DPS to weaken him. After a few seconds, another one: Hold Psychus off Synapses to drop Creeping Anguish. When DPS phase across: When Psychus is standing near a Synapse, killing it will weaken him. Just run it all through the regular alert system.
You don't need to incentivise actual raiders to go into LFR, just make LFR better for the non-raiders.
Some people would still ignore all of that and find a way to fail. There's very little pride in LFR and what does exist is greatly exaggerated.
You can only get the lfr weapon variants from lfr
Just make the bosses kill themselves.
I do LFR because I can't raid, and wait times don't matter, just queue up when I log on, and then go do dailies.... don't hang around waiting! I kinda like the bosses who provide a challenge. No-one learns anything with tank and spank bosses. The worst boss by far for me was Uunat, dear god that was a trial. Went in again with a really over-geared group who still didn't know what to do and found myself having to organise them to just hit the right thing at the right time and get it through their heads that the 'undying' mobs literally wouldn't die, no matter how much you nuked them. N'Zoth, first kill for me had a warlock who really knew what he was doing, calmly organised everyone, and I think it was maybe 5 pulls for the kill. My second attempt was much, much more painful, but we managed it on 10 stacks of determination. Thing is, people actually learn things, learn that they can't just stand there pushing buttons, that they actually have a responsibility, even it it's only to sort out their own sanity with the Heart. I kinda like that challenge.
I mythic raided all of Legion but still did tons of LFR because there was transmog sets that were worth collecting (white version of Antorus druid set for example). The sets for BFA aren't even worth collecting on heroic, let alone attempting to get them on LFR.
Ye the tier set color schemes. That is how you bring ppl to LFR. Just put the best looking gear in LFR mode =)
yeah, outside of dazar'alor and warfronts, I don't like any of the BFA sets.
erm... i got 2 sets from LFR - mail (my main) and leather (crap-alt that i barely play) just by doing some quests and assaults and i havent been in LFR not even once, so yeah, there's really not even a transmog worth going for (even if it looked cool)
Refresh my memory,
Did Legion LFR have as much of the “stop and soak, in it as the real raid?
yeah but they removed tier sets so you get generic leather generic plate etc Which tbh i've liked maybe 1 set in the entirety of BFA without the special class specific cool set With bonuses i don't see the need to even step into a raid anymore i'd rather just get the same ilvl from easier content like m+
While we are talking about LFR: dungeon journal is hot garbage currently. I don't know how they organize this thing or what's guidelines to making it, but it's clearly an informational mess that is a big hurdle on LFR, because it's a prime source of information on bosses for people who do want to kill LFR. I understand that it's not supposed to be The Guide, but at least some structure to it is required, since after it's intro in Pandaria bosses became bloated with unique mechanics and spreadsheets of abilities.
Ppl who say 'read the dungeon journal' in LFR drive me mad. It's fine telling us what abilities are coming (as you say, in a terribly difficult to understand way), but that doesn't tell people what to do about those abilities.
half the important mechanics are not even in the dungeon journal lol.
its just a collection of skills pumped in there and thats it
i dont think blizzard really cares about it becoming more than that, since people that want to seriously raid will download something like dbm or look up guides anyways
My biggest complaint for a long time about WoW and Blizzard as a company is that their games are absolutely dreadful at communicating information with the player.
The only reason I can see that this is still the case is that they cant be bothered to do that hard work themselves when they know people in the community are just going to do it for them, for free.
That stock answer for any problem in WoW is 'go check '. To me that is a pretty sorry state of affairs that Blizzardshould be pretty ashamed of.
Dungeon guide is very good for telling you what abilities a boss might do, but fails miserably at telling you how those abilities are used. Quite a few times I read an ability that said something like "this thing does enough damage to one shot you, has a 401 yard range". Are you telling me this ability is going to wipe us? Is it an enrage? And then it turns out its just some random charge across the room that doesn't have a fraction of the range described.
When it takes 4 hours to kill a LFR boss that drops gear you can get in a mythic +2.
When it takes you 4 hrs to kill a heroic boss that [90% of the time doesn't] drop gear that you could easily get in a M+9 in 30min. :/
@@913_Niyala That's why I want a change in Mythic+
Mythic0-3 should give Rare(Blue) gear of 15ilvls lower than Normal raids, Mythic+ 4-6 should give Epic(Purple) gear of 15ilvls lower than Normal raids,
Mythic+ 7-9 should give Rare(Blue) gear of the same ilvl as Normal raids and Mythic+10+ should drop Epic(Purple) gear of Normal raid ilvl, basically Normal raid gear.
@@badass6300 removing any incentive to do M+ isn't going to happen to solve the non-existent issue of bad players taking 4 hours to kill a heroic boss
@@913_Niyala The people who wipe 4 hours on a heroic boss will struggle to time a +9
I like your approach to 'teaching people' by making them understand with no communication at all. Keep up the good work !
You're a good man Preach, I hope Blizzard watch this
I remember back in Legion, some gilds on my server did "Learning" Raid's for new players, where you could join them on Teamspeak/discord and they took you with them into normal/heroic and explain the abilities and mechanic's etc. I raided a couple of time with them and In that time i learned more about raiding then in 3 years of LFR only. I think it would be awesome if blizzard could give an incentive to these guild's to encourage them to keep doing that, instead of simplifying LFR even more .
Or you as an individual can study fights and come prepared. But no, you want your hand held through it all. Much easier to do stuff when others do it for you.
Man i havent played retail for over a year but still watch all your videos, I love your takes
Love videos like this, good work keep it up :)
Every single final boss this expansion in LFR has been total clown shoes
jaina was fine
The problem is not with LFR , it is with the people who are in it
Azshara wasn't too bad, did it a few times and it was fine. It was only a problem if the tanks had no idea what they were doing OR you didn't have any decent dps at all
@@Drakshl forgot about her. she actually was easier than i expected
@@mateidragosadrian2038 yeah for sure. Most of the difficulty comes from mechanics you can ignore on lfr (and up to heroic with gear) if you've got decent dps
Hey Preach, I absolutely love your videos, keep up the good work. I wanted to ask you, if you could do the legacy of cataclysm video, I would be super interested in that, cuz I thinky it wasn't at all as bad as people say, and some things were just amazing about it. Since I know you said in some video, that you actually enjoyed every spec in cata I would love to hear more about it from you. Love you bb
This vid really impressed me when I first saw it and I really appreciate it still.
Reminds me of when I would lfr kiljaiden even to the last days. You literally had new people/clueless people even then. Kiljaiden was often harder than Antorus fights
thanks to your vidoes i spend zero time with 8.3 content because thanks to you i knew its nothing for me. Keep up the work. Cant wait for your shadowlands vidoes to save me from wasting time in that expansion too.
Um sir you have been teasing a legacy video for a long time now and i need it in my life right now please.
rly nice video bro, alot of education and fun for me
As a returning player I really appreciate this video... I tried talking a pug through the fight and it was hopeless. People don't read. People don't listen.
And the toxic fucks are just the icing on the shitcake. Without those better than thou asshats it would've worked. But when the flame makes people leave time and again there's just no way to get a stable group up to Nzoth standard...
I used to be one of those try hard toxic people in LFR back in Dragon Soul. I couldn't understand how people were so "bad" and could fail mechanics that I could clear in heroic easily. After quitting in MoP, and recently coming back almost a decade older and more mature, I get it now. This game may seem easy, but its really complex to an average player. I cringe at the thought of the toxic player I once was
The first rule of becoming a non toxic is to admit you WERE toxic
Best analysis of the failure of LFR ever. Great work Preach.
I'm not a raider I simply as preach said went into this just to get my quest marker done and finish the story. I spent maybe 5 hours in the queue and maybe 4 hours in the raid. Nzoth was rough but not too hard and this was the first-ever raid I've done in Modern WoW but really it just came down to knowing what mechanics did what. I come from FFXIV so a lot of this stuff was natural for me to understand.
I had knowledge that LFR was supposed to be the baby mode so I was able to shrug off losing just because I thought (well it's a group of randos we'll get it eventually) actually opening myself up more to figuring out what needed to be done on my end. As with any MMO just knowing the mechanics is all you need and we got it done. Perserverance and mechanics knowledge is the foundation of raiding I think and the rest is Patience getting 20+ other people to do the same. Too many people get angry and despair in the face of defeat when they should just buckle up for the ride - and for those who really didn't get it that were kicked, I'm sorry you were kicked but got to focus a bit more.
ive recently come back to the game and did a few lfrs for gear, the mechanics are super easy obviously but the boss fights are fun your first time around and im sad i missed out on progression it seems like an awesome tier, makes me want to raid properly in 9.0
I went into LFR Nzoth the other day, ended up taking over and giving raid warnings. We got it in about 8 attempts. I definitely agree with what you said about elitism at lower ends.
Some irl stuff came up when the raid released so I was unable to join my raid team. I got back into the game and decided to try Raid Finder Nzoth.
I'm surprised that it took hours for you Preach because it only took us two pulls to kill it, first one I was confused by everything, then got the gist of it. And second try the raid made it, less than 30 minutes (this was about a week ago on a Disc Priest). Had a 'raid leader' who was calling out instructions and everyone sufficiently followed them for us to make it xD
This is a really interesting vid thanks
Some people mocked me on LFR back in Legion when I was tanking Aggramar like we do on Normal/Heroic. As you remember, he had the Foe Breaker and Flame Rend. I expected Foe Breaker to be a thing and when I told them I didn't know they took it out. Some people did mock while others pointed out that I knew how to tank Aggramar because I knew about Foe Breaker. After that? Clean kill and Argus dead.
It takes one person with proper knowledge of upper difficulty with some kills. I've yet to kill N'Zoth because we went straight to Heroic before we even had a chance to understand thr concepts of N'Zoth. We're 9/12H (Il'gynoth is causing some issues at the moment) and it's often the same people who're dying to the same stuff on farm. We had someone dying to Sha'dar despite having pretty much mastered the fight.
Heroic N'zoth was really easy for my guild, but that's because when doing normal, we already practiced the heroic strat.
Took us god knows how many tries for normal, but once we got to him in heroic? 5 pulls at best.
So if I'd advise doing something similar. Get to 11/12 N with your guild and practice the heroic strat on normal, the only difference with heroic is that you have a bit less AoEs and that they're smaller. (Or so say my guildmates, i didn't even notice.)
I had an LFR in Legion on Aggramar where one of the tanks swore up and down that he knew the boss because he tanked it on heroic. And no matter how many times we told him there is no foe breaker he simply did not listen. Because he was a heroic raider(I already had aotc with my guild) and we were stupid LFR people. No matter what he would spin the boss around and would get flown off the platform. Eventually we had to kick him.
WoW is toxic AF
Alexandre Armont dang man that sucks, 11/12 heroic with only vex to kill. My first nzoth kill was heroic in a pug that guild needed a tank. You’ll get it though fight is entirely scripted
It took me 100+ pulls on LFR to get it done. That is with everyone, after 10 stacks of determination. Most of it is just coordinating people who NEVER play together on a boss that requires the coordination of people who always play together. We finally got it done when we had 2 tanks in the LFR that had experience in heroic, 2 healers who knew when the big hits were coming and enough dps on top and bottom that knew how to prioritize a kill. So, we basically did carry at least a quarter of the raid that died early on to things like finding their body or late on by thought harvester. It came down to those who knew calling out "bodies", "neck", "tenticles", "hug your partner". That seemed to do the trick. That said, I consider it a major accomplishment for the year, in a lot of ways it was harder than heroic with my guild and it was actually exciting to actually get it after hours of hard HARD work. BTW, what you said about tanking on the bodies is huge, as a druid its no problem for me to get back, but some people don't have that mobility. Thought harvester was another one.
LFR is vital imo, you have many people who only consider raiding the worthwhile feature in all of this game and for whatever reason can't get into a raid. In my guild, its because we have 2 full raid teams, no spots, likely never going to be any spots. My server is smaller so not many options beyond that. In fact, my guild is #1 on our server so the team is just not open for new players. LFR is the only way someone in my guild is going to even sniff a raid. It should be challenging, but not impossible and its borderline impossible for most people.
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I see what your saying about it having no purpose now, yeah I get that. Having completion of LFR pretty much require a competent full-time raider who doesn't want to do that content is not fair to that raider. Perhaps we need to start looking at LFR as Mythic 0, just getting your feet wet. Perhaps make it training grounds like? A way to learn the mechanics or how to be a raider? FFXIV kind of has a system like this and it lets people learn their role in a raid environment before they go try to raid.
haven't done lfr since legion, and I don't miss it
A system I would like to be implemented is a positive feedback reward system similar to what they implemented in Overwatch. Make a new currency with different transmog rewards/mounts/pets as rewards for people "leveling up" in a feedback system. More instructive/positive one is in chat, leads to people upvoting or commending someone. Those upvotes give that veteran player assisting casuals currency they can then use to buy things they value in exchange for servicing their time in a place with no gear incentive. Win/Win for all involved, without making LFR forced to have zero mechanics, yet at the same time not making hardcore players feel obligated to do LFR. Make the system unexploitable by only allowing commendations outside of oneself or their own premade party.
Oooh how much I yearn for that system to be in wow
The weekly cache system was what got me in lfr. Didnt mind carrying a wing for a chance at relevant loot for me
As a healer i came to like testing things in LFR (MW Builds was my latest one) this Tier.
Because for me there is just no comparison when it comes to complete random BS.
My favorite is Ra-Den LFR... such... damage.
Havent had the pleasure of N'Zoth though because, as you mentioned, the insanity mechanic makes it kind of hard to test things out as a healer.
On top of that, i guess that people just arent used to look for a second ressource.
So they dont really get "i shouldnt stand in this because... outch", they stand in it an see their life not really taking a dive.
I switched mains from the last tier, yeah i know i know , to this one.
And within this one i switched Builds twice.
And with one Raid Day a week i dont have much of an option =/.
Anyway... i completly agree with you though its not that i want to be in it or most of the other people, who queue ,for that matter.
so long
Tried N'Zoth LFR this weekend, and it didn't go well at all. When I entered, the raid already had 10 determination (for those who don't know, you get 1 determination per wife, up to 10 max, which gives a total of 50% extra dmg and healing). Even at 10, we wiped something like 10 times before I left. According to the DBM addon, I currently have 27 wipes and 1 win on this fight. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that I've given this up completely, well unless they change the encounter. I'm also losing interest in LFR, which used to be one of my favourite activities in the game.
Think of LFR as story mode. If you are too “elite” or hate LFR, don’t enter it. Decent people who try and help are very appreciated. Thank you for trying to help out. Preach became a true Hero to a lot of people, by having a good attitude and helping out.
I haven't goen to lfr at all this patch or in EP. Bercause even on a new char I jsut went to m0, and that gave me alot more for my time
I just got back to retail after a few months of classic just to have some more wow to play outside of classic. I had no clue what to do in LFR and this fight man.. xD
I like seeing your change of heart over the years regarding LFR.
LFR isnt about getting gear. LFR is about clearing that quest log, and letting everyone experience the story.
It is cool preach! Today, I repeatedly stuck my hand in and out of a bag of loose syringes so you didn't have to.
Felt like someone should pay you back.
Lol
blizz just preparing us for the removal of lfr in shadowlands
Had to spend 4 hours raid leading LFR Nzoth, was pretty chill and a lot of the people were really cool but oh my god, the amount of energy it took and time was insane.
In WoD, the satchels for completing an LFR wing in an underrepresented role were very lucrative, dropping runes + a very healthy amount of gold. I had an add-on that tracked and alerted when one was up, and I would farm them while doing world content. Goldmakers put out some videos saying how overpowered of a way it was to make gold, and Blizzard snap reacted and nerfed these satchels, even though this method, as apposed to running old raids, or clicking on a mission table board, should be how Blizzard would want people to earn their gold.
Even though improving satchel rewards would draw players across the spectrum of skill, and not specifically get top raiders back into LFR, it would no doubt shorten the queues, making it more attractive to the player base, and thereby flattening the learning curve of the population. Blizzard could also integrate the alert add-on into their base game, removing an additional step to making this happen.
I can't queue for M+ or M0, and staring at the "Premade finder" applying for groups or trying to put one together can take hours and still fail.
On which realm do you play?
They've gotta add m+0 to the automatic group finder. No one queues for heroic anyways.
The funniest part of the video was when you said they could remove Psychus 2 and 3, and people would still get the full scope of the fight. It's hilarious and true, just because of how bad this fight is, regardless of difficulty mode.
This, so much this.
Omg the psychus thing... you have no idea how many tanks want to kill him on the opposite end of the room, while I'm playing a dk. I hope you can feel a fraction of my pain from this.
I often went in there for transmog variations, especially in Legion.
As painfull as it is it's a matter of kicking out the weak till you kill it with what you got. Had this issue the other day nicely explained the issue too the other tank that his gear was too low with a tier 1 Cape ,after replaced boss 1 shot.
I used to que lfr a lot, reason: I was really new to the game and had never played before so before nyalotha came out I boosted a character and had 270 ilvl, so after doing cloak quests and getting benthic gear and most other stuff to about 350 ilvl the raid came out one thing at a time so I started playing it, since I didn't know there were other viable options, and since I didn't have a raid group to play with. It's biggest use I think is for the people who don't have raid groups in general and want to try the raids
7:10 #6 on dmg as resto OOOF
ikr...I can actually do more dps while in Heal spec than I can in ANY of my dps specs :(.....(drood)
Life is hard with no gear/essences which is most folks in lfr
I’ve seen so many tanks drop anguish on the groups bodies
In legion I'd do lfr for the tier gear or tmogs. In bfa, you can get the lfr tmog gear from quests
Maybe they should change it to the role agnostic, scenario type 1-30 ppl mode. It would allow peeps to see the content, complete the quests and earn some reward like a loot chest after each wing. A true story mode. Grouping up with randoms is not an environment to learn how to conquer higher difficulties (This sentence kind of nullifies every public system of education in the world.).
I've made it a habit to ignore LFR for months after it's released before qing
Deleted the 'go kill N'zoth' quest from my log: Solved!
I always thought they should make LFR a catch up mechanic for alts, gear and maybe even levelling, so letting you in bellow level cap and just scaling the bosses. I've recently started diving into lfr without doing it whole expansion just to get the catch up currency.
Hi Preach. I’m back to wow after a 6 year break! Enjoying your videos, I don’t think you’ve changed a bit...maybe a little less ranty 😂. I see lfr is for me, my gear is weak and I DO have the damn quest to clear and onto the next part of the storyline. I’ve been trying to get it done ALL weak! Have had some nice groups, with decent people in and some awful groups with the leave-after-fails crew that breaks the raid altogether or puts time back on!A couple of things from me if I may... I can’t get to raid in my guild, my gear sux and there’s no doubt an established team. I’m trying to get better gear, take a look at the new raids and learn so I might have some experience to call on should I get the call up...that’s how I look at lfr for mate. A basic biggy that I’ve seen is managing sanity (god I hate the extra layer of difficulty corruption makes, but I’m new back and base it on how it used to be, so I’ll adjust!) and positioning, mainly a good tank WILL make the difference. But here’s the rub, a ROGUE stepped up as our LFR leader after about 4 wipes, obviously had Raif experience and eventually got us through it. Yes a few died but we downed the thing (I was on an alt) and the base reason for the game, was morale and banter that was coming out made it super old school enjoyable. Those are the days that make the game great. Good on you for staying in lfr I think us normals can pick up great tips from running with you elite players, we get more from it, but it’s great to see the game played well. Thanks for posting mate, enjoy your game. I’ll be at this via self isolation Coronavirus for a while so maybe hope to bump into you in a rage fest lfr one day 😂
some masochistic part of me wants the 9h uncut video of this experience XD
NOT ALL HEROES WEAR CAPES
Amazing Content as usual Preach
This is the first xp I've not even looked at a video of a lfr , let alone even attempt it. I just CBA witn it.
I did it on release of the wing. It was fun trying to progress with people ive never met. Would do it again
Had a great time clearing out my quest log personally. Queued as tank, got in very fast to a group that had already built up 10 stacks of determination, the other tank said he'd handle Psychus and just needed me to jump on the basher tentacles and watch my sanity, and we one-shotted. Can't imagine that's typical, though.
After playing a bunch of different games, it's really weird to see a game that requires third party addons to be beaten and can be considered bad gamedesign.
not true, you can play easily without third party addons
I did LFR n'zoth and it made me realise why i went on a long break from the game, people were getting kicked before the fight began, because it was there first time doing the raid for there quest, and the toxic ones were stroking each others egos and in the end they didnt know the fight them self's,
Something to remember about LFR is that it gets harder each day after reset.
.. huh? No? Where did you read that
Zsolt Síró it’s just a simple matter of truth. The first day you get players that want to get it out of the way for the week and tend to take it more seriously, then by the weekend you get the half afk crowd. So it gets harder with time until reset.
I'm one of those people who used to raid a lot (I don't in BFA because of work), and for the most part, I always did LFR for one reason or another. Aside from mog, I really haven't had any reason to do it in BFA. For the time that it takes to queue like Preach said, and for me, the abysmally low drop rate of items, it just isn't worth it.
I really would like to see some change in LFR and not just how it works, but it needs to redefine it's purpose. Is it really for teaching new folks how to do the bosses? I never felt that as I have tried to learn from it in the past, only to step into normal and relearn everything. I agree with what some folks have been suggesting-make LFR tutorial mode. Make it so players, both new and old, can step in and say ooooh, so THAT'S how it's done.
Yeah, I can only think of maybe three times I've been in LFR this whole expansion. Once to run a friend through to see the fights, once to test out my new healing set-up, and once when I was thirsty enough for just a little more Azerite at the start of a patch.
I don't necessarily hate LFR. I credit it for being the one thing that made me want to raid in the first place. But, man, I admit I've been glad this expac that I haven't felt obligated to get in there and I'd be ambivalent about Shadowlands giving me power incentives to join. Just maybe have it drop less trash-tier transmogs next expansion. That's usually about the right level of incentive for me.
2 months have passed since this video, nothing was changed
Thank you for the video I did I only did the lfrs that I had to for proff. and I called it quits ..stay safe and healthy everyone
Pures should get a reward for even quing for any LFD/LFR. The wait time they are forced to endure since they can't do any other role is painful.
9 hours in LFR? You, my friend, are INSANE. You couldn't pay me to do that. You have my respect.
What got me to do lfr was the tier sets. Back in cata I would queue up on my prot pally with a few of the dps lads who all shared the same tier token and after 2 weeks we had the full tier bonuses on those characters which got us into heroic faster. Just give us tier sets back and I would use lfr for at least a few weeks per character.
I think having mount drop from last boss helps a little, since people, who clear heroic/mythic and are collectors usually want one extra chance every week to drop it, but of course, you can't add mount to every raid in expansion
I haven't played since 8.1 and I'm doing LFR once through just to see the raids myself.
I haven't even tried it on LFR out of horror. I just learned how to tank with guild normal/heroics and I'm so happy I didn't have to do LFR.
Archimonde LFR was the same on first week if even evening. People just ignored the Infernals even with 10 stacks of compensation stuff.
I've never been a raider. the most I've ever raided was a few normal raids, and I didnt even finish them, so LFR is pretty comfortable for me, I like to come and experience the story so that's all I need. Last night I couldn't understand why it was so hard!we just wiped and queued and wiped and queued. never been so bad. makes me feel slightly better knowing even Preach says it's notoriously difficult!
You just add a potion/Reward box if youre above avg ilvl for the gear that drops; eg, elixer based on spec + Vantus rune
Some LFR weapons are nice, so even if M0 gives similar power gear, you can only get, for example, the nice Unguent Cares from Ny'aloth. People will still run it for these interesting weapons (like Carapacio caster one too).
I do lfr because I have a job, look after my house and myself, then have to do office work at home and get maybe 2 hours a day to play few days a week. I used to do hardcore raiding up till cata and I know the level of commitment and time required for it. I'm just not about that life anymore. I'm in my early 20s playing Video games for mad hours is not a good look for me
My first lfr if nzoth was as a tank it took us 3 hrs. For us psykos wasn’t that big of a hurdle it took a pull or two for people to consistently use the neck before going into the portal so they didn’t run out of sanity (me included) but the real trouble was the last stage as tentacles didn’t get killed quick enough and the sanity just built up too fast so in the end we just had to nuke the boss and ignore adds and it just about worked . I placed markers for the trap ability but half the raid still ignore red it and got pulled into the goo.
Just when the people are getting the hang of it, they leave and you get a new load in that haven't a clue. I wanted the token thing!! lol Seven Fail Buff stacks and I gave up. Had a tank that dragged the add all the way to the other side from our corpses in the first phase. I was healing and was trying to be as far away from them as possible. Between the corpses and them but in range., and I just couldn't be in range and make it back.
I'd be very interested in a video on the topic of how would you fix LFR going into Shadowlands. What would you change it into. I don't raid, I'm not even in a guild - so naturally, if I want to do a quick raid for a quest or whatever, LFR would be the natural choice (or LFG for Normal let's say). We certainly need something accessible and completable for everyone, but it could be a really good stepping stone for player like me, who like the idea of raiding, and want to try it to see if it's for them - or they were trying to complete their quests and find out that they somewhat like what they were doing and want to try more.
Making LFR the easy mode where you don't really have to do anything is kinda a solution, but then as you've said, only those who wanted to finish the quest would do it which would lead to very long wait times (which is very bad for casual players who don't have time to play). Trying to "force" raiders back into LFR with rewards would lower queue times, yes but then would those players have fun doing trivial content with random players over and over (like Island Expeditions)? No.
I wonder if they made an AI driven experience, where you could try a Raid in different roles aided by AI groups (or even a scripted piece of a raid) where you could learn the mechanics, complete the kill quest and that's it. After that, you'd know the basics of the boss mechanics and then could do an LFR where it's not entirely trivial. (I don't know how much work would this be - is there a well working, low development resource requiring solution to this.)
As a currently non-raiding person due to real life commitments, I only go into lfr for the essence drops and the void focus drops
This would have been really helpful yesterday as I stepped into a pug ny alotha for the first time ever on normal, unknowing that I wouldn’t come out for another 8 hours, 4 of which being spent on nzoth lmfao. Brutal.
LFR = The guys waiting outside of Home Depot for work.
I think its just for the experience, for people who just want to see the raid from inside and learn abot the story.
When I did LFR, it was so painful to see nobody interrupt the Corruptor Tentacles. Literally nobody cared about those things. It was so painful.
Nobody outside of raiders interrupts, even out in the world killing quest mobs. They just face tank everything and hope for the best. It's weird to me but if they want to play that way, they're paying just like everyone else. Can't imagine it's much fun though!
9 hours? Reminds me of Galakras back in MoP when people didn’t understand how the towers worked/didn’t want to do them.
I just did it to get my quest done, with that done I've had no real interest in going back.
i go in for transmog but for nyzoth whats helped me beat em in lfr is just tell everyone it is "stack the fight". If everyone stacks in every mechanic it works out and normally i get in 1 to 2 pulls after that
I have come from the future to tell you, it is probably worse now- after all these months- than it was back then. I just want to get my quest down for completionism’s sake, and I have given up. There is just no point. Even at 10 stacks most groups won’t get to even phase 3 every time. I won’t do that to myself just for some azerite and a completed quest
They should use LFR to teach you how to raid. so like the main character for for tier, so in 8.3 Wrathion joins on on the boss fights and makes calls on where to stand and when might be best to use hero and yes they may not apply to normal or heroic but will assist with helping understand the fights better. In 8.2 Janna could have been in the fights with us in LFR yelling out, Hero's, over here and don't move, or depending on the debuff you get you hear her call out what you should be doing. just having a relevant MPC guiding you through the encounters.
Preach the hero we need and don't deserve xD 9h lfr......
I think the best way to fix LFR? Is bring back the "Flex Raids" (Which is basically LFR.) You just can't Q for it anymore. Let's you have more control and people can't troll it. Get the thing done, GFU out. :)