@@aestechtic7608 her style is rock, rock within itself has several subsections so much so that just like David Bowie and Lou reed are rock Talking Heads and the Rolling Stones are also...and she seems really influenced by Bowie, talking heads, eletronic and jazz.
She wasn't nominated for all her albums or live performances though, she was nominated for this song. And " I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction)" in s slow lustful way, isnt rock.
They’ve certainly never seen it played live. All the “tHiS iS’nT rOcK” complaints don’t survive watching her make a slide guitar sound violent and confrontational
Everyone I know was flipping their shit over Kacey Musgraves taking AOTY when none of them listened to the record. No one ever listens to the record. To me, the only disappointing losses were for Dance Electronic Albjm (SOPHIE) and Alternative Album (Björk, who really deserves her first Grammy okay jesus).
For those complaining... go look up St Vincent live performances. One of the greatest rockstars of our generation. Bowe and David Byrne-esque and a virtuoso at the guitar. Although, this is not the best song on the album imo.
I would literally do anything for Annie Clark she is the most wonderful being that has ever existed and I am so proud and happy for her because Masseduction is perfect in every single way and so is she holy SHIT
Just noticed her the other day and WOW. Easily in the best 10 female musicians today. Rare when you find a lady who has a great singing voice, creative song writing talent, and instrument skill all at the same time. It's levels of Sister Tharp.
@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Best 10 'female' musicians today, is such a back-handed comment. Her guitar playing is better than most musicians around today.
It's been SO GOOD to watch more people recognize what an excellent musician St. Vincent is, and to hear her experiment with her style and with her work from album to album. Congrats to these two!
Agreed, but her work prior to Jack A. was more authentic. She got "hip" prestige with David Byrne but was talented enough to carry her own weight IMHO; Jack A. did a T. Swift job on her. "Masseduction" has been "re-released" as "MassEducation" with the simpler piano accompaniment of Thomas Bartlett.
@@JP51ism Much of her early work is my favorite too. But then, as an artist myself, maybe I'm a bit more forgiving of people doing collaborative projects or experimenting and creating things that go in different directions. When an artist's newest project is different from their last, I try not to look at it as a statement of 'This is who I am now' or as if they've lost some ability they used to have. It's just different art. Even if it's not my favorite thing in their resume.
@@aGasmaskProcession I would agree, but the change of producer has been a more definitive determinant of not only her sound but her presentation. Many thought the eponymous CD with "Digital Witness" was too "pop" compared to her earlier work... & your argument would apply, but coming off the DW tour she dumped Congleton & went with Antonoff - & just look at the "push" he supplies & to whom. In fact, that she did some retool of "Masseduction" to "Masseducation" (sic/sp?) with the more basic piano dynamic could be read as a (needed) course correction .
angellovesBTS MA’AM... do you understand what “best recording package” means? The BTS album+marketing was just bland. It’s a string and some kanji w a blue/purple gradient slapped on. It’s boring. St. Vincent had a BRIGHT RED album cover with her half bent over on it; it catches your eye more than any neutral color. Watch the music video for “Los Ageless” and you’ll understand why she won. As for her rock song win, twenty one pilots . . . isn’t even a rock band. They’re alternative/rap at best, emo at worst. St. Vincent is all different types of rock. The Grammys aren’t rigged because the most popular choice didn’t win, they’re rigged because they hate women. Literally two female performers took home Grammys last year, so it says a lot that St. Vincent alone has managed to win two Grammys this year. Take the L.
Both Trench and Masseduction were both amazing albums. St Vincent doesn’t have such a huge fan base compared to TOP, so I’m not sure what you mean by scammys.
Before you insult Annie saying other song should have won you should actually listen to her music. Masseduction is one of my favorite albums and this gal is definitely a post-modern rockstar, i’ve seen her live in a festival (before i started listening to her music) and her performance stayed in my head for a year until in lockdown i started listening to her music and concluded that she’s an underrated talent.
@@lonniegabbie Nope. Properties like song length, structre, instruments, heaviness of the music, tonality help us label genres or types of music. Of course there is a lot more than that. If you replace or abandone some of those attributes but still sound like that genre you get avant garde of that genre. If you ignore 90% of a genre and just keep the same instruments you get a totally different genre.In this case, it is fucking pop.
Have people’s forgot true Rock and Roll thank God Bohemian Rhapsody the movie is rack in a tons of awards and is making a tons of money I am so excited that old school music is finally getting respected
@@threedeemelodies If that song is rock then chipmunk music should be considered as black metal. Rats is a rock song, Chris Cornell was a rockstar but that song is not a rock song.
I know this has nothing to do with the winner but like they should have put josh and Tyler not just Tyler. I get that Tyler wrote the song but josh is also in twenty one pilots not just Tyler.
c c I mean I’m not the biggest fan of them, though I really enjoyed their last album (meaning their newest). I thought EVERYONE knew about their album when it came out.. so much promotion lol
c c over here in the states there was a bunch of advertising for it haha. It’s actually a good album though, I’d recommend it. Lot better then their previous works
This is really sad for an award's show. I mean it feels like the audience is either missing or sedated. Granted I have not seen this in about 4 years, but I still expected more? Is all of this not televised?
Absolutely. Although I would have said Los Ageless or Pills from the album should have been nominated instead. But oh well at least she got recognition.
I love the album (not much this specific song) BUT I must agree that is not rock - is pop. Grammy always giving awards to the right artists at the wrong category and time.
I feel like St. Vincent is well appreciated by those who know her, but not enough people know her.
Just got a music man guitar and it's amazing. Learned that she plays a custom one made just for her. Yup... She's great lol.
Rightfully. She's package without content. It's none music.
Many know here but her style isn't rock tbh
@@aestechtic7608 her style is rock, rock within itself has several subsections so much so that just like David Bowie and Lou reed are rock Talking Heads and the Rolling Stones are also...and she seems really influenced by Bowie, talking heads, eletronic and jazz.
@@aestechtic7608 Art rock / new wave
"MASS EDUCATION"...well at least he plugged the stripped album
Wish I could upvote this more. I lost my shit when he said the song title (WRONG)
@@dillonberry3469 "upvote" lol I see someone came from the far lands of Redditaria
"St Vincent artist"
THEY PRONOUNCED IT AS MISS EDUCATION PLEASE
A shame the rock category isn’t televised. Much love for Annie and jack!
A-shame it also isn’t rock.
@@nickm.9474 why
Y'all hating on Annie obviously don't know her and haven't checked out any of her performances. She's a living legend, a true rock legend!
Sure, but this song is not rock or very good lyrically
Lmao!! rock legend. Good one
@@MalcolmBetruger well she is, check out actor, strange mercy, or st vincent, all of them are types of rock and praised by the critic
@@seaenna_n Damn, you really be replying on more than one people and trying to justify that she is not rock huh...
Talk about a mess
@@pantallazopatucaso St Vincent's whole discography is pretty much critical darling compilation.
Grammys??? This looks like the accountant of the year awards.
People are supposed to dress nice though
@@psychedeliccarrie5921 You never met my accountant.
"MASSEDUCATION"... St Vincent sweetie, I'm so sorry 💀
😭
Edd Don’t be sorry
:( IKR
Haha oh well. That was the name of the acoustic album she did of it.
Masssedation this should be named
when people think annie clark isn’t rock jesus christ they have never listened to her albums or any live performances
She wasn't nominated for all her albums or live performances though, she was nominated for this song. And " I can't turn off what turns me on
(Masseduction)" in s slow lustful way, isnt rock.
Panic!MySepticeyFellOutOfMCR'sPlane My friend there is a genre called art rock. And it is 21st century.
@@dawnd7337 it's kinda a mixture of glam-rock, electro-pop and pop-rock.
@@seaenna_n selena number 1. no one wants ur opinion and number 2. there's diff subgenres of rock u hooligan
@@dawnd7337art rock 😂😂😂😂😂
"Hi, Antonoffs!" haha they were both so sweet. Very well deserved award.
bet that everyone who's complaining about her winning don't even know the song (or the album)
They’ve certainly never seen it played live. All the “tHiS iS’nT rOcK” complaints don’t survive watching her make a slide guitar sound violent and confrontational
Everyone I know was flipping their shit over Kacey Musgraves taking AOTY when none of them listened to the record. No one ever listens to the record. To me, the only disappointing losses were for Dance Electronic Albjm (SOPHIE) and Alternative Album (Björk, who really deserves her first Grammy okay jesus).
I gave it a try and I didn't like it and still don't understand how she is rock.
I heard them both and i really didn't like them.
damn tøp fans.. (even tho i am one)
For those complaining... go look up St Vincent live performances. One of the greatest rockstars of our generation. Bowe and David Byrne-esque and a virtuoso at the guitar. Although, this is not the best song on the album imo.
Anyone claiming St Vincent can't rock clearly has never heard "Huey Newton" or seen the Coachella performance of "Krokodil."
EndlessEnigmaPart3 Great musician and artist, but no she’s not a rock star
That is rock for gossip soft Beverly hills gay people
@@javieraam7128 that wont make your music taste special hun
@@javieraam7128 Just giving the awards to make it even smh, THANK YOU
wtf yall talking about “bTs dEsErVeD tHis” against miss ST VINCENT OF ALL PEOPLE. and also on THIS category. what kind of crack i-
You snapped bish i stan
BTS is trash
Queen of the gayys and king of producers
St. Vincent is pure talent! I don't understand why Rock and Alternative categories, especially, are not broadcast as a part of the main event.
Because rock has declined in overall popularity and is in the process of becoming more of a niche genre like jazz has become.
Hot Topic fans are salty on the comments, St. Vincent is really talented.
vespertine > medulla
Finally glad she’s getting some recognition for all her amazing work !
it's the way she was like "did i just win a grammy award? oh fine anyways" 😭
I would literally do anything for Annie Clark she is the most wonderful being that has ever existed and I am so proud and happy for her because Masseduction is perfect in every single way and so is she holy SHIT
Just noticed her the other day and WOW. Easily in the best 10 female musicians today. Rare when you find a lady who has a great singing voice, creative song writing talent, and instrument skill all at the same time. It's levels of Sister Tharp.
@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Best 10 'female' musicians today, is such a back-handed comment.
Her guitar playing is better than most musicians around today.
It's been SO GOOD to watch more people recognize what an excellent musician St. Vincent is, and to hear her experiment with her style and with her work from album to album. Congrats to these two!
Agreed, but her work prior to Jack A. was more authentic. She got "hip" prestige with David Byrne but was talented enough to carry her own weight IMHO; Jack A. did a T. Swift job on her. "Masseduction" has been "re-released" as "MassEducation" with the simpler piano accompaniment of Thomas Bartlett.
@@JP51ism Much of her early work is my favorite too. But then, as an artist myself, maybe I'm a bit more forgiving of people doing collaborative projects or experimenting and creating things that go in different directions. When an artist's newest project is different from their last, I try not to look at it as a statement of 'This is who I am now' or as if they've lost some ability they used to have. It's just different art. Even if it's not my favorite thing in their resume.
@@aGasmaskProcession I would agree, but the change of producer has been a more definitive determinant of not only her sound but her presentation. Many thought the eponymous CD with "Digital Witness" was too "pop" compared to her earlier work... & your argument would apply, but coming off the DW tour she dumped Congleton & went with Antonoff - & just look at the "push" he supplies & to whom. In fact, that she did some retool of "Masseduction" to "Masseducation" (sic/sp?) with the more basic piano dynamic could be read as a (needed) course correction .
Why so empty and quiet I’m confused has the Grammys always been like this 😳
Angellovesbts Top and bts are lifee 💖
@@milenkamillones8192 I agree💖
Como putas va a ganar esta gonorrea
These are the awards that aren't shown on TV. There's a TON of categories that don't make it to TV and this is the ceremony where they give them out.
angellovesBTS MA’AM... do you understand what “best recording package” means? The BTS album+marketing was just bland. It’s a string and some kanji w a blue/purple gradient slapped on. It’s boring. St. Vincent had a BRIGHT RED album cover with her half bent over on it; it catches your eye more than any neutral color. Watch the music video for “Los Ageless” and you’ll understand why she won. As for her rock song win, twenty one pilots . . . isn’t even a rock band. They’re alternative/rap at best, emo at worst. St. Vincent is all different types of rock. The Grammys aren’t rigged because the most popular choice didn’t win, they’re rigged because they hate women. Literally two female performers took home Grammys last year, so it says a lot that St. Vincent alone has managed to win two Grammys this year. Take the L.
Masseducation is the other album. Haha.
“MASS EDUCATION?!?!?!”
Clearly there was NO education where Shaggy grew up. 🙄
A bit disappointed Ghost didn't win with Rats. Thought for sure that would've been a winner.
Leo indeed
anything but this would have been great
@@seaenna_n are you kidding me st Vincent is a legend
MAKE THE GRAMMYS ROCK AGAIN
I really thought tøp had this in the bag :’(
I will never get over him saying “mASs eDucAtiOn” smh scammys
lønely lana girl thirty two pilots makes music your best friends american horror story watching little sister listens to annie clark got the STRAP
Both Trench and Masseduction were both amazing albums. St Vincent doesn’t have such a huge fan base compared to TOP, so I’m not sure what you mean by scammys.
Top isn’t rock.
I heard him say Mass Education LOL.
Galilea Meza jumpsuit is a rock song
Nearly nobody of the audience claps. Why? She is worth winning that prize.
They were so cute! I loved watching them, they felt like real people not like products of Hollywood
Is this the Grammies or my School ?
Annie is such a talented singer, musician and songwiter.
why is the crowd almost empty? haha
It's the pre show they can't give all the awards during the televised broadcast it would be too long
Pre show. The 10,000 performances and banter of the host take up all the time of the live broadcast.
I see. thanks for the info!
They were probably at a Twenty One Pilots concert...
The presenter is like the kid who can't read well but the teacher calls him to the front anyway.
Annie is so sweet! I want to give her a hug!
I'm in love with St. Vincent!
st vincent deserves so much!!! her music is amazing
I totally thought Los Ageless would be the contender here
Agreed, better song, but Masseduction (or is it mass education by St Vincent artist? 🙄) is great too, I’m just glad she won
She’s like Hi! and Gee! and Here goes! Gawd I love her and that dress
JUMPSUIT JUMPSUIT COVER ME OH JUMPSUIT JUMPSUIT COVER MEEEEEE
I desperately wanted BMTH TO WIN
IM A TOP FAN TOO,WOULDVE LOVED EVEN IF THEY WON
BUT I DONT KNOW WHAT TO SAY 😐
okay but check out st vincent, she's super cool and deserving of her grammy
TWENTY ONE PILOTS WAS ROBBED
Before you insult Annie saying other song should have won you should actually listen to her music. Masseduction is one of my favorite albums and this gal is definitely a post-modern rockstar, i’ve seen her live in a festival (before i started listening to her music) and her performance stayed in my head for a year until in lockdown i started listening to her music and concluded that she’s an underrated talent.
I WANTED BMTH TO WIN 😔
I am so glad that Jack Antonoff and Lauren Hill wonn a Grammy Misseducatio is really great song
No one cheers up? what happen? it feels so awkwaed
Jovelyn Baguio it’s because there’s hardly anyone there yet, since the televised award show starts at 5
Maybe because they realize St. Vincent's song isn't even remotely rock and it's a joke that she won.
@@CarbonatedTurtle THANK YOU
@@CarbonatedTurtle I concur.
They all wanted Twenty Øne Piløts to win
This is so beautiful awkward and sweet ❤
I'm so happy for Jack!!! He deserves it!!!
If you tell me this is what's called rock these days no wonder it has no fans anymore. Hell if you consider this rock I'm not a rock fan!
It doesn't help there's not much rock coming out. Also she is not all of rock. Rock is not a single category.
this is art rock u idiot, which is a subgenre of rock, i thot u would know that considering u so clearly aren't a rock fan
Im a HUGE fan of bmth, but I really thought Top was gonna win. But who even won!?
lilgrandechile Annie Clark! 🤩😍🤩🎸🤘🤘🤘
Im confused?? Why is this so empty?
Trash won sis :(
Great system !!! You give rock awards to pop songs. What's next giving the best rap song award to Cannibal Corpse.
Ataberk Yavaş It’s called avant garde rock.
@@lonniegabbie Nope. Properties like song length, structre, instruments, heaviness of the music, tonality help us label genres or types of music. Of course there is a lot more than that. If you replace or abandone some of those attributes but still sound like that genre you get avant garde of that genre. If you ignore 90% of a genre and just keep the same instruments you get a totally different genre.In this case, it is fucking pop.
@@ataberkyavas7476 Indie pop rock.
@@lucifersam7946 Hey stranger read my comment below for the answer.
@@ataberkyavas7476 Talking Heads aren't a rock band.
She deserves more
I love you Annie
She may be a badass on stage now, but she is still a quirky nerdy girl like from the start of her career. :)
Kinda bummed that Jumpsuit didn't win, but after the 2017 Grammy's, I think they're still a little shook from what tyler and josh did.
I think it's more about the technicalities in St. Vincent's song in respects to rock music vs tøp.
Yep annie deserved the win. Grammys had good taste. I tried listening to the other nominated songs and couldn't make it past a minute
Omg she sounds so different compared to her performance 😟❤️
Wow St Vicent congrats
Congrats St. Vincent..😀
TWENTY ONE PILOTS DESERVED THE GRAMMY DON'T @ ME!!!
they didn’t, they aren’t rock
BMTH MANTRA is the best song!
Sam Henderyckx the academy doth not agree
binglio This song is thought. I could argue the song that won isn’t rock at all.
Sam Henderyckx Its a great song too!! I wouldn’t be mad at either of them.
its so funny to see people crying here, ST VINCENT QUEEN OF ROCK FROM NOW ON!
In four years, people will forget this even exist. So boring and NOT rock
@@ElderDragonBrasil go listen to your crappy bands, annie is art
@@muribs8137 "I can't turn off what turns me on
(Masseduction)" Yea.... "Art"
@@seaenna_n hmm... art can explore sexuality... i dont know what you mean?
Boldrini making sexually suggestive lyrics with no real intellectual content is not art, or exploring sexually in my opinion.
LOL this is so annie
Thank you for come together
I love St Vincent!!!
Have people’s forgot true Rock and Roll thank God Bohemian Rhapsody the movie is rack in a tons of awards and is making a tons of money I am so excited that old school music is finally getting respected
it's what you deserve legend
Mantra deserves it more
By a mile
0:12. Tyler Joseph for JUMPSUIT 🤩😆
Love me som Trench but Miss St. Vincent was the moment come on now.
Love her. Proof that good music is not dead
Annie, do not listen to what the others are talking about, they do not know that you are the best singer and of course the best guitar player.
Jack took so long to walk to the stage lmao
😍 Congrats Annie 😍🔥🎸❤️🤘
Mantra should have won.
Yup
I know right
Definitely
Absolutely not.
ampersand08 I’m sorry that I think a generic ass pop song shouldn’t have won a ROCK song award 🤷♀️
Yesss Annie 👏👏👏👏
Great announcer.. mispronounced album
Did they forget that there is ANOTHER MEMBER IN THE BAND TWENTY ONE PILOTS CALLED JOSHUA WILLIAM DUN, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH THESE DUDES???
@@jeFe_3636 oh okay thanks
@@jeFe_3636 we have nothing to do XDDDD
twenty one pilots should've won
don't @ me
Was this part televised? I hate how rock music never gets the attention it deserves.
But tell me how did this song win? IT'S NOT EVEN ROCK
What do you expect the winner is not even a rock song.
this IS rock
@@threedeemelodies If that song is rock then chipmunk music should be considered as black metal. Rats is a rock song, Chris Cornell was a rockstar but that song is not a rock song.
Ataberk Yavaş why mention chris cornell? he won anyway. anyway, this IS rock. it’s avant-garde/art/glam rock
St. Vincent is absolutely rock. Go listen to any of her work.
I feel like no one was expecting them to be there lmao
Twenty one pilots?
who
they got zero screen recognition at all.
Someone needs to get fired
Wydozv ExYeest I cant get over it, SORRY HAVE YOU EVER LISTENED TO TWENTY ONE PILOTS?!??!?
colgate prone teeth T-w-e-n-t-y
O-n-e
p-i-l-o-t-s.
Wydozv ExYeest ok _3_
TWENTY ONE PILOTS JUMPSUIT!!!!!
I know this has nothing to do with the winner but like they should have put josh and Tyler not just Tyler. I get that Tyler wrote the song but josh is also in twenty one pilots not just Tyler.
Only the songwriters are ever nominated in this category.
yes! so happy about this
He read "Mass Education" 😂😂😂
why did it say "Jumpsuit - Tyler Joseph (twenty one pilots)" why didn't it mention Josh Dun???
They nominate the songwriter(s).
Is this the real Grammy?
Looks like a european concert
Mass Education ahahaha
Wow NO ONE was there!
when did 21 pilots release anything new lol
You've been living under a rock haven't you...?
@@tylerjoseph367 not really I just dont like 21 pilots lmao
c c I mean I’m not the biggest fan of them, though I really enjoyed their last album (meaning their newest). I thought EVERYONE knew about their album when it came out.. so much promotion lol
@@ocifer idk I live in australia and didnt see anything
c c over here in the states there was a bunch of advertising for it haha. It’s actually a good album though, I’d recommend it. Lot better then their previous works
This is really sad for an award's show. I mean it feels like the audience is either missing or sedated. Granted I have not seen this in about 4 years, but I still expected more? Is all of this not televised?
Bring Me The Horizon should’ve won!!!
Why is there so little people in the audience?
Because it's not the main ceremony. This is for the "least popular" categories.
Remember they give like 50 grammys in one day
They were probably at a twenty one pilots concert.
because Grammy's ain't respectable anymore
Well deserved 👏👏 great song and great album too despite she didn't win
Absolutely. Although I would have said Los Ageless or Pills from the album should have been nominated instead. But oh well at least she got recognition.
why are there literally 3 people in the audience??
Jumpsuit and Mantra were better than this song
@Dead Inside yes, but none of this songs won :(
no you got the wrong answer baby
Absolutely not.
imagine being this delusional
EXACTLY
Locals coming for annie. The
Smell
YES BABYYYY
i'm cry :c
BRING ME THE HORIZON
Good job fucking up the name of the song buddy lololol.
Although Annie did talk about how she was worried that would happen haha. She's great.
Mantra shouldve won🙄❤️
hi antonoffs!
jack is so cute
I love the album (not much this specific song) BUT I must agree that is not rock - is pop. Grammy always giving awards to the right artists at the wrong category and time.
Grammy is trash
omg don't hurt yourself