I've made my own sci-fi analogy that somehow became complex but I found it comprehensive. 1. Imagine 2 Fabric Sheets stretch with a gap in between. 2. Imagine these charged particles like a ball or Marble that's hovering in the gap between the 2 fabric sheets 3. Imagine (with the concept of Antimatter) that Each Charge Particle has opposite charge. Let These Balls/Particles have their Shadow or a Ghost that's hovering on the outside of the upperside of Fabric. These Ghosts are linked to the opposite particle that's in the gap. 4. Imagine a scenario where there are 3 particles between the gap. 1st +ve Ball , 2nd -ve ball and 3rd+ve ball. Now, these balls have ghost balls , hovering , say, on the upper side of fabric. 1st -ve Ghost Ball, 2nd +ve GhostBall, 3rd -ve GhostBall. They are invisibly linked. if a +ve ball moves then its ghost -ve ball moves along with it. 5. Take the first 1st +ve Ball in the gap into consideration. For this instance, let's Ignore the 1st +ve Ball's -ve Ghost Ball. . Each time the positive ball throws 2 Virtual Protons (0 charge) in 2 ways. 6. One time the 1st +ve Ball throws Virtual Proton in UpDirection , another it throws in Down DIrection. 7. Case : UpDirection : When the 1st +ve Ball Throws the Virtual Proton in Updriection, it's momentum makes it move downward and thus It makes a dent/depression on the Fabric Sheet that's Below. That Virtual Proton Scans for a -ve Charged Matter which is the 2nd Ball (-ve charged) that's next to the 1st Ball and lands on it. Due this , that 2nd -ve Charged Ball also moves towards the below Fabric . And just like Gravitation Forces, they move towards each other. 8. Case: DownDirection : When the 1st +ve Ball Throws a virtual proton Downward, the 1st +ve Ball moves towards the Upper Fabric sheet and Creates a "Bump" on the Upper Fabric Sheet. and, the Virtual Photon somehow gets boomeranged Above the Upper Fabric sheet then scans for a -ve Charged AntiMatter which in this case is the 3rd -ve GhostBall. the virtual Photon lands on it and that creates a depression/dump on the Upper Fabric Sheet. Due to this, just like a Ball rolls off a Hill, the 3rd -ve GhostBall rolls away from the Hill Created by 1st +ve Ball. But Here's the catch. There's a invisible Link between the Balls and the ghost Balls. So when the ghost Ball (in this case, the 3rd -ve GhostBall) moves away from that Bump, it's corresponding 3rd +ve Ball also moves away from the 1st +ve Ball.
I like the skateboard analogy, but in what sense, really, does the exchange of momentum work? In your analogy, we understand the exchange of momentum via Newton's Third Law. But (correct me if I'm wrong), we can't understand subatomic particles classically, so Newton's laws don't really apply. Thus, what's this really an analogy *of*? I really appreciate the intuition of a proton being "thrown back" by emitting a photon. But if it's not Newton we're thinking about . . . then to be meaningful, what *are* we thinking about?
Came to the comments looking for this. So just my two cents...you're correct that the analogy doesn't really work because photons are massless and get all their energy from their momentum. What that means? I have no freaking idea lol. Somehow the momentum is transferred. I'm not sure if there is a deeper explanation. One interesting thought is that because photons are massless they do not experience time. The beginning and the end of the universe are the same to a photon. Maybe we're looking at it wrong? From a Godlike perspective, the photons are just the yarn that hold this universe together and it's all one piece of yarn that we interpret as different strings.
@@jaysonp9426 I've made my own sci-fi analogy that somehow became complex but I found it comprehensive. 1. Imagine 2 Fabric Sheets stretch with a gap in between. 2. Imagine these charged particles like a ball or Marble that's hovering in the gap between the 2 fabric sheets 3. Imagine (with the concept of Antimatter) that Each Charge Particle has opposite charge. Let These Balls/Particles have their Shadow or a Ghost that's hovering on the outside of the upperside of Fabric. These Ghosts are linked to the opposite particle that's in the gap. 4. Imagine a scenario where there are 3 particles between the gap. 1st +ve Ball , 2nd -ve ball and 3rd+ve ball. Now, these balls have ghost balls , hovering , say, on the upper side of fabric. 1st -ve Ghost Ball, 2nd +ve GhostBall, 3rd -ve GhostBall. They are invisibly linked. if a +ve ball moves then its ghost -ve ball moves along with it. 5. Take the first 1st +ve Ball in the gap into consideration. For this instance, let's Ignore the 1st +ve Ball's -ve Ghost Ball. . Each time the positive ball throws 2 Virtual Protons (0 charge) in 2 ways. 6. One time the 1st +ve Ball throws Virtual Proton in UpDirection , another it throws in Down DIrection. 7. Case : UpDirection : When the 1st +ve Ball Throws the Virtual Proton in Updriection, it's momentum makes it move downward and thus It makes a dent/depression on the Fabric Sheet that's Below. That Virtual Proton Scans for a -ve Charged Matter which is the 2nd Ball (-ve charged) that's next to the 1st Ball and lands on it. Due this , that 2nd -ve Charged Ball also moves towards the below Fabric . And just like Gravitation Forces, they move towards each other. 8. Case: DownDirection : When the 1st +ve Ball Throws a virtual proton Downward, the 1st +ve Ball moves towards the Upper Fabric sheet and Creates a "Bump" on the Upper Fabric Sheet. and, the Virtual Photon somehow gets boomeranged Above the Upper Fabric sheet then scans for a -ve Charged AntiMatter which in this case is the 3rd -ve GhostBall. the virtual Photon lands on it and that creates a depression/dump on the Upper Fabric Sheet. Due to this, just like a Ball rolls off a Hill, the 3rd -ve GhostBall rolls away from the Hill Created by 1st +ve Ball. But Here's the catch. There's a invisible Link between the Balls and the ghost Balls. So when the ghost Ball (in this case, the 3rd -ve GhostBall) moves away from that Bump, it's corresponding 3rd +ve Ball also moves away from the 1st +ve Ball.
Why posit a force-carrying PARTICLE, though? How does the necessity of it being a PARTICLE arise? Why can't it just be a field? When something is redirected by an EM-field it's not like photons are "bumping into" it to achieve that effect, are they? Why isn't it just a kind of continuum property that "things" like the particles we've identified ostensibly "interact" in certain ways? So yeah, why posit a PARTICLE mediating the interaction? Why can't it just be a "field" as a property of the fundamental continuum that arises as they become "proximate," however that has meaning in regard to their mutual influence?
It's a little convoluted with the boomerang example, but I imagine it as throwing a lasso and plucking a baseball from the other guy's hand. It's not perfect...
sorry but i don´t quite understand the analogy with the boomerangs. Could somebody please explain it to me how it works that the exchange particles makes them move together?
SaCoMi the boomerang is thrown away, which pushes guy1 backwards towards guy2, then it comes back around hitting guy2 in the back, pushing him towards guy 1. So they both move towards each other.
Very clear and concise.
I've made my own sci-fi analogy that somehow became complex but I found it comprehensive.
1. Imagine 2 Fabric Sheets stretch with a gap in between.
2. Imagine these charged particles like a ball or Marble that's hovering in the gap between the 2 fabric sheets
3. Imagine (with the concept of Antimatter) that Each Charge Particle has opposite charge. Let These Balls/Particles have their Shadow or a Ghost that's hovering on the outside of the upperside of Fabric. These Ghosts are linked to the opposite particle that's in the gap.
4. Imagine a scenario where there are 3 particles between the gap. 1st +ve Ball , 2nd -ve ball and 3rd+ve ball. Now, these balls have ghost balls , hovering , say, on the upper side of fabric. 1st -ve Ghost Ball, 2nd +ve GhostBall, 3rd -ve GhostBall. They are invisibly linked. if a +ve ball moves then its ghost -ve ball moves along with it.
5. Take the first 1st +ve Ball in the gap into consideration. For this instance, let's Ignore the 1st +ve Ball's -ve Ghost Ball. . Each time the positive ball throws 2 Virtual Protons (0 charge) in 2 ways.
6. One time the 1st +ve Ball throws Virtual Proton in UpDirection , another it throws in Down DIrection.
7. Case : UpDirection : When the 1st +ve Ball Throws the Virtual Proton in Updriection, it's momentum makes it move downward and thus It makes a dent/depression on the Fabric Sheet that's Below. That Virtual Proton Scans for a -ve Charged Matter which is the 2nd Ball (-ve charged) that's next to the 1st Ball and lands on it. Due this , that 2nd -ve Charged Ball also moves towards the below Fabric . And just like Gravitation Forces, they move towards each other.
8. Case: DownDirection : When the 1st +ve Ball Throws a virtual proton Downward, the 1st +ve Ball moves towards the Upper Fabric sheet and Creates a "Bump" on the Upper Fabric Sheet. and, the Virtual Photon somehow gets boomeranged Above the Upper Fabric sheet then scans for a -ve Charged AntiMatter which in this case is the 3rd -ve GhostBall. the virtual Photon lands on it and that creates a depression/dump on the Upper Fabric Sheet. Due to this, just like a Ball rolls off a Hill, the 3rd -ve GhostBall rolls away from the Hill Created by 1st +ve Ball.
But Here's the catch. There's a invisible Link between the Balls and the ghost Balls. So when the ghost Ball (in this case, the 3rd -ve GhostBall) moves away from that Bump, it's corresponding 3rd +ve Ball also moves away from the 1st +ve Ball.
When should I use positive bosons and when should I use negative
Is Meson also exchange particle of strong interaction? If not then explain. .
Would this exchange involve the transfer of "virtual" photons to the proton.
I like the skateboard analogy, but in what sense, really, does the exchange of momentum work? In your analogy, we understand the exchange of momentum via Newton's Third Law. But (correct me if I'm wrong), we can't understand subatomic particles classically, so Newton's laws don't really apply. Thus, what's this really an analogy *of*? I really appreciate the intuition of a proton being "thrown back" by emitting a photon. But if it's not Newton we're thinking about . . . then to be meaningful, what *are* we thinking about?
Exactly what I thought.. Do you have an proper explanation?
Came to the comments looking for this.
So just my two cents...you're correct that the analogy doesn't really work because photons are massless and get all their energy from their momentum. What that means? I have no freaking idea lol. Somehow the momentum is transferred. I'm not sure if there is a deeper explanation.
One interesting thought is that because photons are massless they do not experience time. The beginning and the end of the universe are the same to a photon. Maybe we're looking at it wrong? From a Godlike perspective, the photons are just the yarn that hold this universe together and it's all one piece of yarn that we interpret as different strings.
@@jaysonp9426 I've made my own sci-fi analogy that somehow became complex but I found it comprehensive.
1. Imagine 2 Fabric Sheets stretch with a gap in between.
2. Imagine these charged particles like a ball or Marble that's hovering in the gap between the 2 fabric sheets
3. Imagine (with the concept of Antimatter) that Each Charge Particle has opposite charge. Let These Balls/Particles have their Shadow or a Ghost that's hovering on the outside of the upperside of Fabric. These Ghosts are linked to the opposite particle that's in the gap.
4. Imagine a scenario where there are 3 particles between the gap. 1st +ve Ball , 2nd -ve ball and 3rd+ve ball. Now, these balls have ghost balls , hovering , say, on the upper side of fabric. 1st -ve Ghost Ball, 2nd +ve GhostBall, 3rd -ve GhostBall. They are invisibly linked. if a +ve ball moves then its ghost -ve ball moves along with it.
5. Take the first 1st +ve Ball in the gap into consideration. For this instance, let's Ignore the 1st +ve Ball's -ve Ghost Ball. . Each time the positive ball throws 2 Virtual Protons (0 charge) in 2 ways.
6. One time the 1st +ve Ball throws Virtual Proton in UpDirection , another it throws in Down DIrection.
7. Case : UpDirection : When the 1st +ve Ball Throws the Virtual Proton in Updriection, it's momentum makes it move downward and thus It makes a dent/depression on the Fabric Sheet that's Below. That Virtual Proton Scans for a -ve Charged Matter which is the 2nd Ball (-ve charged) that's next to the 1st Ball and lands on it. Due this , that 2nd -ve Charged Ball also moves towards the below Fabric . And just like Gravitation Forces, they move towards each other.
8. Case: DownDirection : When the 1st +ve Ball Throws a virtual proton Downward, the 1st +ve Ball moves towards the Upper Fabric sheet and Creates a "Bump" on the Upper Fabric Sheet. and, the Virtual Photon somehow gets boomeranged Above the Upper Fabric sheet then scans for a -ve Charged AntiMatter which in this case is the 3rd -ve GhostBall. the virtual Photon lands on it and that creates a depression/dump on the Upper Fabric Sheet. Due to this, just like a Ball rolls off a Hill, the 3rd -ve GhostBall rolls away from the Hill Created by 1st +ve Ball.
But Here's the catch. There's a invisible Link between the Balls and the ghost Balls. So when the ghost Ball (in this case, the 3rd -ve GhostBall) moves away from that Bump, it's corresponding 3rd +ve Ball also moves away from the 1st +ve Ball.
Why posit a force-carrying PARTICLE, though? How does the necessity of it being a PARTICLE arise? Why can't it just be a field? When something is redirected by an EM-field it's not like photons are "bumping into" it to achieve that effect, are they? Why isn't it just a kind of continuum property that "things" like the particles we've identified ostensibly "interact" in certain ways? So yeah, why posit a PARTICLE mediating the interaction? Why can't it just be a "field" as a property of the fundamental continuum that arises as they become "proximate," however that has meaning in regard to their mutual influence?
so does the strong and nuclear force follow the skateboard analogy?
It's a little convoluted with the boomerang example, but I imagine it as throwing a lasso and plucking a baseball from the other guy's hand. It's not perfect...
Boomerang particles? Yikes. Is this related to Feynman’s “integration over all paths”?
sorry but i don´t quite understand the analogy with the boomerangs. Could somebody please explain it to me how it works that the exchange particles makes them move together?
SaCoMi the boomerang is thrown away, which pushes guy1 backwards towards guy2, then it comes back around hitting guy2 in the back, pushing him towards guy 1. So they both move towards each other.
agree , a very very poor analogy