Corner Bead Pros & Cons with THE DrywallShorty
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2023
- What is the best corner bead for a remodel or new project? Matt visits Lydia Crowder, aka Drywallshorty, to talk corner bead price, pros and cons.
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I'm a Boston area builder and have followed Matt very very closely in recent years.. my go-to-guy for good information and education to make me better
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A discussion around the use of bullnose corner bead would have been helpful.
This isn't 2001 anymore.
Just used some paper/metal corners. First time drywalling. Easy peasy! Turned out great!
They also have an inside corner paper-faced metal. It is fantastic for getting perfect inside corners. MUCH quicker than folding tape and fighting with it. And since we have movement here due to soils, it has (for 5 years so far) kept away any cracking in the corners.
I like the spray-adhesive kerfed stuff for doing arches. The paper-faced vinyl looks intriguing for standard outside corners.
I wish I would’ve used them!
I've always preferred straight PVC.
- Zero concern of rust in damp locations (especially paired with stainless trim nails)
- Flexible (if you want)
- Can cut it with a knife or scissors
- No super sharp corners
Not fast if you're a "production" guy, but it's easy and convenient for a DIY person.
Good guest Matt! Lydia certainly seems to know her way around dry wall. 👍
Indeed!
Matt and Lydia are definitely two people I want in my corner (bead)!
Excellent video!! Personally I've gone back to metal corner bead. But that's just me. Good to know about alternatives.
Paper-faced metal or vinyl corner bead for inside corners. Easy to use and cut with snips and made my life much easier. One of the last things I picked up my from my late father
When I first got in the business it was definitely the drywallers job to hang corner bead, that was in the 3 states I had worked in, Nevada, Arizona and California! But when I went to Houston TX in the union anyway Tapers installed the paperback metal corner bead, using the mud trough and roller.
Thanks Matt, this video was needed.
After 20 years using metal and fiber fuse after it’s installed first coat with tape mud and fiber fuse comes out amazing. Usually have it filled, most only needs one coat.
I've run tens of miles of metal corner bead, building museum exhibition walls. Like she said it is great for maintaining a straight corner, and is easily joined - I use a small scab of bead behind the joints to line them up perfectly. And it is fast. We put them on during the drywall portion of a build, and the tapers come later, so no option for a mudded-on bead. Spray adhesives are not permitted to be used at scale in the institutions where we work. It also comes off easily when it is time for the show to come down, with the bonus of exposing the screw heads beneath so we can strip the drywall even easier.
I can’t believe how many people are being assholes here. This was super helpful!
Exactly. Sixteen minutes of excellent information and the doofus commenters are arguing about who does corners, who cleans up, and a woman's footwear.
I love your channel Matt ❤
Great video, she knows her stuff!
Lydia what an informed presentation. I went to the Build Show so I know how to get to your content
Awesome! Thank you! She has some awesome videos on BuildShowNetwork.com go check it out.
Oh ya I am going to take lessons from shorty. An instructor who keeps me attentive with all the tips.
I'm just a DIY home owner but I prefer the paper faced metal for the small jobs I've done around the house.
It's the best of all these products. It's all I use.
OUT of all of the corner beads presented, I have to say I am still a HUGE fan of the Metal, production level are just so quick on them is incredible. Second option depending on how many beads are being installed would be the mud set vinyl trim trex or paper bead from certanteed. Glue is expensive as you have to buy glue, staples, then waiping down the beads to make sure is on property.
In Alberta Canada I primarily see the tapers on sites using the paper faced metal corner bead. Pretty rare to see metal or the perforated plastic. I often see them using the perforated plastic on curved surfaces.
I use PVC but I’ve always fastened it with screws and not adhesive. I didn’t know about the adhesive honestly but it’s worked out fine if the screws are set right and the mud is feathered out.
Good intel
Crimp on the metal beads, prime before the mud. Finish with solid wood trim half way up to prevent damage to the corner. That’s the way I’ve done it for years.
I spray glue paper faced metal beads. 😀 Time consuming…. but they are super straight and don’t crack out.
I like the paper faced metal easy too install and durable.
Great video 👍
Thanks 👍
Good presentation, my house has outside corners with radius corners, that look and wear a lot better than square corners
I can tell you with absolute confidence it is not the kids or the dog that will trash your walls. They will have their wear spots and learning moments. It is the wheel chair from the old man learning to navigate it that will damage your drywall the most. Doors and casings too, especially. :)
Never underestimate kids with a toy shopping cart. So many repairs...
I feel your pain, LOL. :)@@jonathansage2147
Laundry baskets are the culprit here.
I don't know where she buys her metal corner beads but at my local home depot here it's 55$ for a box of 25, 8 feet long.
Ohh and 55$ CANADIAN.
Most other places vary from 3,50$ to 5$ a piece.
I have tried the no coat, yes, they are almost indestructible but like you said, can't fix framing with those. I went back to metal ones. I apply mesh tape on each side, it will fix 99.9% of any cracking issues.
I also have a special tools that can adjust the angle of my corner beads, so i always pass them in my tool, they come out with the perfect angle, take no more mud than no coats, can easily pass them with 2 coats, with machine mud.
You also have missed the AquaBeads, witch are paper faced, pre-glueds, just need to activate the glue with a mist of water.
There is, or was, a dent in the corner bead in the house we lived in in Thompson Manitoba in 1960s. When I was two or three, I rock the high chair so much it tipped backwards and my head hit the corner bead. I have often wondered if that dent is still there 60+ years later. Chuckle.
I am no pro but I like the paper over metal cornerbead
What would you recommend using to change rounded corner bead to square?
What do you use on drywall ceiling corner? I did the side wall first, I've read that it should be ceiling first.
Thanks
To fix a banged dead on the nose of a metal cornert bead you can use metal putty then finish the surface with durabond 90 and plaster of Paris. Also to prevent cracking of metal corner beads you should add drywall tape, durabond 90 and plaster of Paris or in some instances you can use fiberglass tape in lieu of drywall tape.
Knows her way around drywall. Needs to know her way around a pair of work boots 😂
So, can you splice the expensive fully composite product with a lower priced product… fully composite maybe 6’ up the wall and then cheaper product up to the vaulted ceiling where nothing will ever hit or damage it?
@samuelharward2451 - good question!
I wouldn't do it on the same corner. The height of the corner is going to vary based on the product. Getting it to look like one continuous edge isn't going to be worth the $4 you save.
If you have corners up high that don't connect down low, go for it.
I Seen rounded corners, how is that done, its beautiful
It’s simply a rounded corner bead but the drywall needs to be installed a bit different……
Just grabbed some the 8 foot pieces are cheaper in CT at least 8.50 each
can you cover round v 90 degree corner bead.
What about for arches?
Corner bead crimpers make it pretty tough to use anything but metal, you can do an entire house in a few hours, every other type you're looking at a min 1-2 days.
Aqua Bead is the best hands down
I wonder what she thinks of Aquabead? Has built in adhesive (lick and stick!). I guess I’ll just try it. Price is comparable to other products. So far so good. Added a short wall to a closet opening and needed to throw up a couple sticks. Did it while listening to this video. Just wet the inside and threw it on. Used my hand coz I didn’t have the corner sponge roller in the crappy silent mfg video.
Just use Angle Iron.
We can all agree it’s neither the drywaller nor the finishers job to clean up.
3.10 9ft for metal in Iowa.
Sandles!?!?! Wow!
I find it interesting her take on No-coat. I did finishing for over a decade and have used No-coat since it was first introduced. We loved almost everything about it (sharpest corners, quick to put on, fast to finish, and most of all, tough). That's where my opinion differs, I've never had a crack with a No-coat corner, and in fact, one job proved it to be one of the toughest we've seen. Installed several boxes of No-coat on a commercial job, we ran out and had to run stairway hand rails in metal (under a wood touch point). We had dozens of repairs on the metal from the other workers denting and cracking it, usually requiring 2-3 coats to get back to nice. We had one worker take a bakers scaffolding piece and run it into the very corner (within a 1/4 inch of the tip) of the No-coat bead, it barely dented it, and was a one swipe fix, no crack at all. I'm wondering what is going on that a trimmer will make their no-coat crack... I will agree with the paper issues, you can't 'work' it too much otherwise you'll fuzz the paper which is a nightmare. And bubbles can be an issue (less with the hopper), but a nail driven into the framing behind a bubble does fix it. Overall, a fantastic product with limited down sides (mainly, as was said, it's for use as a pro, it takes some training to get the hang of it) (You should google some old ad's before Certainteed bought them out, they take a bad and take a full swing at a finished corner, no cracks. It's not just a gimmick, i've experienced it myself)
Sandals on the job site? i hope this is just for the show ! 😅
if you nail the bead to the framing its locked to house movement, if you tape it on it isnt.......different areas probably favor different ones.....ive never had a problem with any of them, if a 100 ton house is going to move there really isnt much you can do.....
Loving the job site flip flops 🤪
no socks or nothing
@@mashpotato832 - hey, a gal wants to look good for the camera. It's not like she's in her work clothes then wearing flip-flops, for goodness sake!
Drywall Shorty with a PHD in Drywallogy
I wish I could have made out the audio. With my phone maxed I could only hear about half of it. It's a shame given the otherwise great production quality.
how about rounded corners? Or is that another animal?
Bullnose is very different - it comes in multiple radius options and some of the options in this video aren’t available in bullnose. But I will cover it soon!
are those OSHA approved flip flops?
The final question should have been "Who's job is it to clean up after Finishers?". lol. Because somewhere along the years Finishers just decided it's not their job to clean up their own mess?.
As a finish carpenter I’m usually doing my own corner finishes. I love doing openings in architectural buildups, but that’s expensive for a whole house. But bad framing can be the bane of my existence! Keep your framers honest. Square those corners! Lol.
Those flipflops are ansi 71 rqted and osha approved. Boots are for work flip floops are for videos.
This was a video.
Best installers would be the finisher, I don’t let anyone install my bead,
Where's the bullnose ?
Shorty indeed
Matt you look so tall😂
Finish carpenter here in Alberta Canada right above Montana - I can tell you the drywallers don't install cornerbead. Drywall finishers (tapers) come in and install all the bead with first coat. This is common in the majority of Canada. You do not want a drywaller installing cornerbead lol...
It's never the drywallers job to do anything. Especially cleaning up after themselves.
@Brandon: nobody cares
THICC
Well done!
For once, Matt giving useful info, not trying to sell me some overpriced foolishness from his sponsors.
Ouch.
@@buildshow Don't be upset. It's feedback. Half your videos lately are infomercials, which is a big waste of viewer's time.
Bare feet in flipflops on the job site...
Thanks for pointing that out! Nobody else noticed that! /s
I wonder if using Zip System in a shower as a structural framing, with Zip system tape would be worth it?
The best drywall on a project is no drywall on a project.
What are the alternatives?
@@DMSparky
Wood
Steel
Stone
Tile
@@DMSparky hehe. Mostly just referring to my desire to never touch drywall on my projects. So I’ll do T&G, stone veneer, tile, barn wood, etc. Easier for me, doesn’t cost much more (I’d hire drywall finishing), and wears and handles moisture better.
@robertrusso877 - yep, all the typical commonly-seen wall materials in today’s houses.
@nathanmrudd are you longing for the good 'ol days of stone castles? No drywall there@
@@bethanyanderson1745 yes. Cabins and castles. Upgraded with sound building science, of course. 🙂
Sorry Matt, I hate drywall with a passion 😞
Wait till you see the footage of her teaching me the trade. 😮
matt i have invented a perfect drywall patch that is invisible after finished. interested?
Heck yeah
how do i contact you privately so we can correspond and I can show you?@@buildshow
What no bull nose
Matt the person you should ask about corner bead is "the Drywall Doctor". He has a channel on RUclips. Very knowledgeable contractor!
Am I the only one losing my sh!t over flip-flops on the jobsite? No no no, never...
In reality it is best for you to focus on you and less about what others choose to do. ;).
Not a job. Her studio space off her office
@Dabore: No. Not just you. There are a bunch of OCD Dipshyts on this comment thread who focused on her footwear without pausing to think, "I wonder whether this is just a mock-up of a boarded wall where she's shooting an instructional video."
I can't believe she showed up in flip-flops onto a job site😂
Not a job site. Her studio space at her office. Her boots are on a bench in the foreground.
@davis: I can't believe you watched a 16-minute video on corner bead and focused on the presenter's footwear, Imelda.
Volume normalization and color saturation are off in this video. First clip is quiet, and wide camera is saturated. Walls are yellow and Matt's lips look like lipstick in the wide shot! Consider getting matching cameras so you don't have as much room for error when tweaking the colors post-production.
@LuminairPrime - personally, I didn’t notice any of your criticisms bc I was paying attention to the educational information related to the science of building. I'd likely agree with you if I watched Matt's videos to learn abt topics related to photography, videography, production, graphic design, sound or lighting engineering, makeup application, or color selection. But I'm not.
If fancy production value is of great importance to you, you may be more comfortable following a different channel? Just a friendly suggestion. Shrug
Lurch hahaha
I do not believe that a stick of corner bead went from $1 to $5 because of the cost of metal. Did the cost of other things that use metal such as nails, screws, hammers, and cars jump 500%?
Niche product gets more increases.
Probably due to the fact it has zink on it , so it MUST be taxed by Joe to save the planet for the good of everyone
In all my years in construction, not sure if I've ever seen a pro show up in flip-flops. Hard to take her serious...
Nobody cares who you do or don't take seriously. Go back to sleep, grampa.
She wasn't working. She was just standing there speaking for a video
What a cutie
@user-ed5jh3ff6u - pretty sure Matt is married. Sor-ry!
@bethanyanderson1745 well done.
Closed toed shoes.
For an interview?
It is still an active build site. I can't enter my local high school's robotics shop without closed toed shoes and I sure as hell can't get past the gate when I visit customers at work without steel toes. Most if not all job sites have this basic safety rule in place and you have to come equipped before you get out of your car.
@@AReed030188 No it's not, it's a studio.
just cant take anyone seriously that shows up to site or anywhere besides the beach etc in flip flops.
Good thing your opinion is irrelevant
Yeah.. dangerous. Guess she doesn't do drywall and only talks about it.
She's a crazy good drywaller. And I'm guessing she wasn't planning on doing any work during the video..
Used to paint houses in N Scottsdale in flip flops
@@Ashphinchtersayswhat hehehe no body takes painters seriously so its all good,, soz LMAO