The Division 2 Devs Respond to "Feedback" - I am Now Losing Faith
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- The Division 2 developer team have just responded to Season 2.0 "feedback" on their twitter. I have already had multiple DM's asking what I think about this so here is my view.
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The important thing is choice. The negative feedback was from we have no choice but to play new content on Seasonal characters.
Same that is going to be a master level mode it can be a seasonal mode for selection. The problems were those. No detailed explanation of what the whole thing implies and the no choice decision.
We must not take theses news as a win or loose situation. Lets be constructive and creative and get analysis of what is the perspective. A seasonal structure can be use for fresh new option. I am imagining it as a narrative tool i where instead of a isolated bunch of characters in your pool you get a group where you decide your niche of work (technician, survivalist, etc and new ones with different and new possibilities). But now has to be optional. With incentives to get them as the better loot prize. Till now and these news has been like saying that for continue the play you have to complete Paradise Lost incursion as mandatory.
Good thing by the way to see and hear all kind the opinions Grock
It seems that at least 75 to 85% of the players did not want the seasonal characters
Where did you get those numbers from? Or are you just making that up?
@@epcarter6 Just made it up. Social media is and will always be the loud minority.
I just stoped playing after the season character reveal, made zero fuzz just stoped playing and Im sure I was not the only one maybe thats the reason of why they backtracket
Player numbers are right back to where they were before after seasonal characters were announced. The truth is, the game's player count didn't suffer at all with the announcement of seasonal characters.
every game these days is a grind so much it's like a second job, most people don't want to start all over again from lvl 1 just for that character to go away
This point is entirely valid; people put hard work and time to grind their gear and weapons. What was the point of grinding oro with my clan mates if every season we can’t use it?
People have been maxed out on gear for over 3 years. Crazy to me people rather continue playing on a maxed out character that offers no more progressions, growth and leaves the player with no goal. If people read the notes, seasonal character XP progression is much faster than on normal characters.
@@dylanmelotti4301
Funny how you say our current player is maxed out and has no more progression or further goals but the devs adding more content into the game will give use those new goals and progression. The only reason accounts are sitting around without goals and progression is because there is literally nothing else to do.
The argument of “people just want to breeze past content” isn’t actually an argument because difficulties are a thing. If someone wants to breeze past content they are going to play on normal difficulty regardless where any build stomps no matter how bad it is.
They also explained how getting a seasonal char up to lvl 40 could take up to 15 hours worth of gameplay. I’m sorry but I am not gonna spend 15 hours *per season* re-leveling my character up so I can finally have access to my gear that I also had to spend tons of time and effort on. And no; I’m not saying for the sake of just wanting my “meta builds” back so I can cheese content (already explained why that isn’t an argument) but it’s just about how fun the gear I have is to use. They went about resetting the char the wrong way, I wouldn’t have cared if the seasonal char had access to all of your gear but at level 1, and then you had to grind to 40. Because at least I’d be able to use fun guns and builds like my true patriot Ravenous build. But starting completely fresh negates the fun, because I have to start all over with base gear and base guns. Even then, 15 hours to level back to 40 is too much.
Keep in mind the entire story line for GoW Ragnarok was 25 hours. That’s insane. No wonder there was so much backlash, and so many players were willing to drop the game if seasonal characters made it onto main game past the drawing board.
@@zorro8027 Look at games like Tarkov. Tarkov has remained relatively the same for the past 8 years, has far less content than The Division 2, still in early access and has literally 50x the daily players and following a wipe, that number doubles. As much as I despise that game, the few weeks following a wipe is more fun and refreshing than late wipe gameplay. That's the same reason why it will work in The Division; people will not be maxed geared and have every exotic and high end item the game has to offer.
Both PvP and PvPvE will have an entirely different feeling and dynamics if the majority of the player base doesn't have a fully or multiple fully maxed out builds.
People complain about having to level back up to 40, but still don't consider what new seasonal elements will be added for players while they grind to level 40 in seasons 2.0 or the endgame re-work. I am willing to wager that leveling to 40 will not consist of the gameplay loop we have now. I am sure there will be unique seasonal missions and activities released each season to keep players engaged while they level up to 40. People are arguing against seasonal wipes with the seasonal model we have now, but aren't considering what other changes will be coming with seasons 2.0
I have been playing on Heroic with 4x directives active for the past 2 years and nothing in the game aside from raids and incursions offer any sense of difficulty or challenge. I am SHD level 9 on a new character and playing on a new character at SHD 9 on normal difficulty offers more challenges than the game does on my maxed out character playing on heroic with 4 active directives. Even playing in DZs in the level 31-39 bracket before reaching level 40 offered a new sense of experienced and gameplay most of us have forgotten existed and haven't experienced in 3-4+ years.
Games like Tarkov is a phenomenal example that illustrates even with bare minimum content, regular player wipes keeps players returning to the game while keeping them engaged with the game. Again, unlike Tarkov, The Division 2 actually has story and would have content for players to grind through following a wipe.
@@dylanmelotti4301 Not reading allat, but from the top you compared a looter shooter to an extraction shooter, the only correlation between the two being the dz (in division2) People play tarkov for it being an originator of the extraction shooter genre and one of the best. There wipes methods wont work since it wasnt a first intention when the game first released nor should that be done 6 years later… A dumb idea that would kill a dying game.
bugs everywhere, cheaters ruining pvp and pve leaderbboards, exotics and gearsets that have no use, devs don't care at all about PTS suggestions, but now you're losing faith? better late than never, I guess
Seasonal characters was a bad idea for Division 2. This is not Diablo/POE/whatever, and while it is a looter where you run the same missions over and over that's where the similarities end. I don't want to level up a new character every few months, I want to keep playing my main character. I appreciate the devs walking this terrible idea back and have to hand them props when the pull out the W
I understand you have a positive view on it and with the very little info u had u wanted it and it sounded good to u
That said it’s the same thing on the other side with the info we had we didn’t want it seemingly there was enough people that made enough noise on the side of no by either voicing to the devs or by moving on to a different game like first descendant either way they got enough feedback in whatever way that lead them to this decision it does indeed show that they are to some degree willing to listen to the player base
At the end of the day I hope it’s all optional for people that want to do seasonal characters and for those that don’t if the seasonal character was going to be separate anyway than let it go that way and let others play with there main that don’t want to do seasonal
I agree I’m really happy those seasonal characters are out of the picture
Then you will be complaining in a few months when you have nothing left to grind or do.
I kinda knew this would happen, but I didnt think the response is saying like "we know you hate it but we wont change it because some ppl like it, deal with it."
They should of done consumer research before launching season 6. It would of made a payload of difference.
I’m glad it’s not coming out it would’ve been cool to try it, but I wasn’t to fond of restarting every season it just sounded horrible especially for such an old game. Most of all players are set in their ways and don’t wanna change which I can understand I’m the same way.
Why do you think it was noise? It was a bad idea. And the only reason they changed it was because they realized it was a bad idea.
I just hit level 26 expertise….and it took months…..and to have to start from scratch each season is unbelievable!!
I understand your point of having to give them the benefit of the doubt, but some ideas are just so bad that you don’t need to experiment with them….
Give it time and you will quickly realize how stale the game will get now that you have no room left to progress or grow your character and the game now offers you no goal to work towards to.
Too add, expertise isn't even on seasonal characters. Seasonal characters would of had more watch upgrades to supplement the expertise system.
Hopefully our choices weren’t “seasonal characters or boredom”. What kind of game dev is that? Surely there are ways to progress a character or story or DLC without it being seasonal or bust - if the devs try it
@@MultiplicativeDivision Look at games like Tarkov. Tarkov has remained relatively the same for the past 8 years, has far less content than The Division 2, still in early access and has literally 50x the daily players and following a wipe, that number doubles. As much as I despise that game, the few weeks following a wipe is more fun and refreshing than late wipe gameplay. That's the same reason why it will work in The Division; people will not be maxed geared and have every exotic and high end item the game has to offer. Tarkov is a great example that with even minimum content, regular player wipes keeps playing engaging and returning to the game when a wipe happens.
Both PvP and PvPvE will have an entirely different feeling and dynamics if the majority of the player base doesn't have a fully or multiple fully maxed out builds.
GC. Your opinion is valid but i tend to disagree in some instances. A couple things here. I thank you for not falsely claiming that they are cancelling the Seasonal Characters model. I have already seen 3 other creators make this claim and it's simply not true. I get that it can be irritating that a change in plan "may be" happening but let's be real here...Nobody was asking for seasonal characters especially 5-6 years into the game's life cycle. It was just not the best time to ask the community that has sunk so much time into the game to instantly change the way they play because that's what the devs think we want...especially before DLC content (which i think is just going to be reskinned Div 1 stuff). IMO this is the dry run to the model they want us to play with in Division 3 when it releases. Lastly, I don't think seasonal characters are going to go away at all. I predict that you will still be able to progress the story, play leagues, doing events like golden bullet, etc. with your main. BUT they will lock all new seasonal content via the rewards track behind the seasonal character model (including new exotics). Want the new gear or hot new exotic that is a must have then guess what you need to progress a seasonal character and once acquired you can't use it on your main until that stupid two week window in-between seasons.
Sorry disagree. Season 2.0 was almost universally viewed negatively. If they go ahead and it fails, it will kill the game. This is one of the first few times they actually listened to the player base and should be commended. The dislike was not because what they were going to do was new but because it was something no one asked for and completely ignores what players have been asking for from the beginning.
The game and player base will die off anyway as more and more players reach the end of their character's grind. What point does the gave have when we have nothing left to do, grind, progress or achieve with our character?
Don't understand why you'd be losing faith if they're listening to feedback
He has a Joe Biden brain.
@@jessejames7757 How would you come to that conclusion based in his content? Its sad people like you remember your log in information when you have nothing useful to add which shows his right.
Because they have given up and caved in to pressure and reversed their decision on content and development of an idea they believed in
How ready and willing will they be to do so again in the future or to take risks & be creative...the knock on effects will be less content and less content that will expand our gaming horizons
Kick someone in the nuts when they bring u an idea they are passionate about (without even seeing or trying it) & they won't bring u ideas anymore
Just my 2cents 🤷♂️
@@PonyGummidge As much as I'd like to see them go ahead with it they have to listen to the majority of people. It's all about money & player counts at the end of the day
Because maybe people were looking forward to seasons 2.0, the player base isn’t a monolith. They listened to outrage, that doesn’t speak for the entire community. The loudest voices on social media don’t mean the majority.
The developers had a simple solution - either show video materials on the changes in Season 2.0 or launch a public PTS. They did neither.
Plus, judging by the information presented, seasonal characters will not be necessary for progression in the season, so in theory they remain. There just won't be the same emphasis on them.
So your dissatisfaction is premature and people may be able to try changes. Just not in such an imposed form.
"The developers had a simple solution - either show video materials on the changes in Season 2.0 or launch a public PTS. They did neither."
Missed opportunity IMHO. Could have saved us this whole debate about the black cat in the dark room.
There was a planned PTS, the former community director mentioned if the player base waited to give their opinion after playing the PTS to see how the new seasonal model functioned with seasonal wipes more people would've been on board with the idea, but instead we got a bunch of children who threw a fit before we even got the full scope and functionality of the re-works.
Of course they have listened to the wider community because thats who is playing the game .... they probably did back themselves but this game is hanging on by a thread and if the seasonal characters idea isn't well received then it could quite literarily be the straw that broke the camels back! .. maybe if they had a more healthier player base with past credit in the bank from the entirety of the player base then maybe they could afford to take a gamble with the seasonal characters idea ..... but every DLC, every update, every season since release there has been problems and issues with the game and just pissing more and more people off and losing more and more of the player base
Been saying this a lot since they announced the planned seasonal character, if the goal is for you to do the SAME thing that you already did years ago then there's absolutely no point in putting that in there. They can't OFFER a good take for the community to bite down on that new scheme because THERE'S NO NEW CONTENT that can be offered, it's just the same old manhunt, seasonal rewards progression. The take is everyone will be the same level nothing more, you may be optimistic about it but not everyone would want to restart again.
I think the use of seasonal characters should be optional. Keep both sides happy.
Having a seasonal character is not a change. Its an addition and an addition that wouldve had dire consequences. The Division 2 is a looter/shooter/extraction game. Thats is its identity. It is not an ARPG per say or MMO. Trying to implement an ARPG/MMO style to a game wouldve killed division 2 instantly because lets be real...Seasonal characters have existed in Diablo 3 & 4 and they think that its a good Idea to hang your main character out to dry after 6 years of playing and countless hours putting into the main toon so that you can create seasonal characters that will eventually become pack mules for your main character. Its not OK. No one is going to want to create a seasonal character for the sake of "having an even playing field" when you have no one on said playing field to compete with in the first place. The only time you get anyone to play with you is either in PvP, Time Trials or Bounties. lets be real. Its not even worth going to legendary missions because of the guaranteed exotic cache you get from the weekly run. now when you get that new world difficulty, hopefully the rewards are alot better (i.e. max rolled items guaranteed). all these features about season 2.0 can be implemented with the main character without any penalties at all. Anyone who thinks that this seasonal 2.0 character creating feature is ok. would be the SAME ONES who say that implementing seasonal characters was a bad thing and then say division 2 is dead. Ive said it once and Ill say it again: Seasons 2.0 is a terrible Idea and it would mean the end of Division 2 at the hands of the Developers. "we heard your concerns" lets see if they stand by it. Im guessing they will proceed even though they mentioned it. The minute I hear or read that your main character is not involved with the manhunts or anything related to seasons, I will hang it up and call it the day.
If the devs believed so much in what they were doing, then they would have stuck with it. jmo
Make a poll then, if you’re so surprised.
I've lost faith in the Devs again for the umpteenth time over the past 5 years. They broke the game and we had not a single apology or an acknowledgement from the Devs to just announce. We are aware of players currently experiencing problems with no sound on rifles and LMG weapons or no bullets hitting targets. Instead, we had a wall of silence which I despise when people don't take ownership of their errors and bugs that have broken a game. I always own up and take ownership it has become part of my trademark and I am known for being honest and upfront and when I say I will sort it I get the job done. I don't sit on my hands or bury my head in the sand and refuse to take responsibility and this is where the Devs have failed the community yet again.
And now that they have responded the reply is nothing short of an insult to the entire community and I am not happy and I doubt if I am alone. However, as a coder, I also have to look at this from a POV, as a programmer I also know the limitations of a game engine and I know that there is very little room for error and fixing one problem can also cause a completely unrelated problem to occur and I know that sometimes the devs don't mention certain bugs or glitches because they don't want players taking advantage of these bugs and glitches and I appreciate and understand that I know inbound as though I am sticking up for the devs and I am contradicting myself but I am not, I am explaining to those who don't understand game coding and how you can open Pandora’s Box if bugs and glitches with a patch update but the single biggest problem with the devs is they rely heavily on in-house testing too much and then when an update or patch goes live what they tested in-house doesn't work in reality and that has been Unisoft and Massive Entertainment and other developments teams within Ubisoft.
The Achilles heal of Ubisoft at times is their lack of communication with the communities and their clients which is us the gamers the players pay for their products we are their clients and when they bury their heads in the sand and fail to communicate people start to get angry some more than others and they tend to lash out at the devs in frustration and some even take it a bit too far and threaten the devs and only those who have done this know who they are. Don't be that idiot and threaten a dev it's a criminal offence and all you're doing is leaving a digital data breadcrumb back to your console or the keyboard of your device or laptop so don't be that person who does that.
You should create a poll then...
@@goodregs what difference that gonna make ? Its not that they will listen to us "plebs" they will always listen to those that talk Nice things on RUclips about this broken game with no new content
@@crist12012Just to see whos right not to change anyones opnion or convince the devs to do anything
@@hugopcc1 they wont change that they changed allready If that makes sense 🤣
Sounds like they could be as the idiom goes "splitting the baby"
Whatevs. Alls I'm looking for is a new seasonal structure with modifers to keep things engaging.
"Losing Faith.." is an understatement....lol. You should hear the trash talk in my clan...We just play for shits and giggles now.
@@deliman7203 Best way to go just now.. I've been playing like this for ages now👍✊👍
🫡Oh, No sir. They made it abundantly clear that to earn any of next season's new weapons and gear, we Would and Only Could do so with a new Seasonal (non-sharable) character. There was no need to wait and see how that activates. No thank you. I never want to earn anything in this game without my Day 1 character. I don't have multiple characters I play with like many Content Creators do. I only play with my character (Incursions, Shepherding, raids, etc.) I, like many others have traditions on getting our character ready for a new season, including outfits😅. This could have been avoided if they simply had asked the Community in some questionaires. Funny though, it seems many of our Friendly Neighborhood Content Creators seemed ok with it. But they claim to not know anything. I'm glad the Devs will not lock the new season's weapons and gear behind a Seasonal Character 👍
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@@bigjay52 Well said. The Devs made their intentions very clear. Just because we want to continue to use our main character does not mean we have a “negative” mind set - we positively don’t want seasonal characters. Everyone has the option to start a new character for every season or even better, buy another account and really start from zero.
From what I've gathered from community feedback, it seems that many people don't fully understand how the new Season 2.0 works. A lot of the opposition is based on the misconception that they won't be able to use their main character, which isn't true. A clear presentation or a Public Test Server (PTS) from the development team would help clarify how everything functions, allowing the community to make a more informed decision.
Personally, I would be excited to try it out. If it didn't suit my taste, I could still enjoy the manhunt for a few hours each week and then roam around DC with my main character. This would definitely be better than having no new content until the 2025 DLC.
I believe making the seasonal character optional would be a wiser decision. It would ensure that the developers' hard work and passion aren't wasted while giving players the flexibility to choose how they want to experience the game.
But I understand you have the right to feel how you feel but I wouldn't lose faith just because this ideal didn't work or that the ideal was widely not wanted by the community and we have excepted alot of things from the devs we didn't like this is the first time they've actually listen too the players.
Here’s where your logic is flawed.
When YOU put something out there you say you’ll own it.
That’s a nice sentiment.
When Ubisoft puts something out there at the expense of all of OUR money and our long term invested time it’s at our expense.
And based on what I’ve seen the games community said no to being forced to creating new characters for every season removing our choice to play our main characters.
I called Ubisoft on the phone and told them to cancel it.
That’s what it feels like when you don’t get a choice.
You’re welcome.
@@GCROCK blame people that wanted it and didn't speak up because devs heard the community and did what they need to do. They made right choice.
Sorry, I dont agree with season 2.0 and I am soo glad that they cancelled the seasonal characters because it wouldve killed Division 2. lets be real. Its bad enough that you have a 5 character limit. If you want to see how seasonal character looks like, look at Diablo 4. My main character sits in the eternal realm while im working on seasonal characters in the seasonal server. once the season is over, they move the seasonal character to the eternal realm. When you swap your character back to the eternal realm, you have to choose what gear you will take with you into the eternal realm. The seasonal items are NOT going to go to the eternal realm so thats a bad thing. You would literally have to change your build and paragon board to compensate for the items and abilities you wont be bringing back to the eternal realm and thats not good at all.
So If you did the same thing with seasonal 2.0, You have a 5 character limit, your stash space only coincides with the current season and not your main character, you are also probably limited on what items to take with you back to the non-seasonal character once the season is over much like diablo 4. What I do want to state that the Division 2 and the Franchise Is nothing like any of the ARPG games that is currently out there like Last Epoc, Diablo 4 and Path of Exile. It makes absolutely 0 sense to turn the Division 2 or try to make Division 2 much like the other ARPG games when the game is a looter/shooter/extraction game. Trying to give Division 2 a new identity wouldve killed the game outright. I dont agree with it and will defend it. those who say that we that made ourselves knows are not giving the game a chance to give new ideas 100% have opinions. but truth be told there is a reason why we spoke out. Why make seasonal characters? please explain that to me. 99% im playing solo so that whole concept of "everyone will have an even playing field" is out the window because you see no one while youre playing and I dont group up with anyone unless its a time trial and that usually entails one additional person. For bounties, Its a ghost town so I see no one and no one ques for bounties even with manhunts active. The developers need to play the game and get a grasp on reality when it comes to "an even playing field" because the field is empty 98% of the time. If it was like Diablo 4 where crossplay is active and youre running around the open world and see other players, then thats a different story and my decision would be different but its not. So Yes, Kudos for eliminating the seasonal characters and just implement the main character for seasons 2.0. Not to mention make the necessary adjustments to compensate not having the seasonal character.
Was I keen on seasonal characters no but would I have given it a go absolutely. How much different would it have been to starting an alt or watch mule. You mentioned discord I was unsure two servers were going to work but hey it does I’m a TSW clan CC I went with the flow & let it play out & you’re right social media is toxic
So sorry to bother you I’m having a problem I’m using my socom M1A And my ACRE weapons the clip starts off with 978 when I re-supply these weapons at the clip is now 508 what is going on it is happening to a lot of my weapons I am not getting the max ammo in the clips can you please check this out when you have free time I appreciate it another problem I am so frustrated with this Game keep up the good work thanks
It seems the biggest gripe players have at the moment is content. People want fresh, new content to play; however, as we all should know by now, this takes a considerable amount of time & resources. Both of which have been quite sparse over the past few years or so.
Speaking from experience as a Div 1 alpha tester, I know for a fact that these devs can create quality content which lasts for years. Have there been some misses over the years? Yeah, but the devs gotta shoot their shot.
That’s when feedback becomes crucial - it hinges on the player experience.
Most of the recent disdain feels like misdirected frustration. We haven’t had enough information to provide any sort of major articulated feedback at this point. If anything, some people don’t wanna wait two weeks to progress the seasonal storyline on their main character - that’s a valid point & worth considering.
So did players want seasons 2.0? Not necessarily, but it gives us something fresh while the devs continue creating new content. We’ve been playing the same game for years. Why not give it a shot? Seasons 2.0 could add significant replayability & value towards the franchise we know & love.
To reiterate the point, I believe most of the recent “feedback” is guided by unfounded speculation & exasperated by the knee-jerk reaction of players not getting what they want *right now* (content).
This is the first time the game was delayed by something brought on by ourselves. Despite all this, I applaud the devs for being receptive of community feedback. They take a shitload of flack for literally doing their jobs. They deserve a break, yet still, content is coming.
The thing is this entire issue would’ve been solved if the devs announced seasonal characters would be optional.
For some reason the devs took an all in or all out approach to this situation that had a very easy middle ground to obtain that would t have been hard to accomplish but would’ve pleased both sides of the comm.
There were valid arguments for both sides as well so this middle ground honestly made the most sense; make seasonal chars optional.
(Also it wasn’t wait 2 weeks to then use your char, it was wait the entire season and then the last 2 weeks of the season you can use your char. So unless a season would be a single month, you’d have to wait for more than 2 weeks to use your main char which is absolute garbage for those who put time and effort into things like getting the EB)
Milk for president 🙌🏼
Good day sir. I don't normally comment on RUclips videos, especially for Div2 content. I've watched your videos over the last few years and I believe you're important to the Div2 community as a content creator.
I'd just like to share my perspective on a few things. Primarily pertaining to THIS video.
1. If you rewatch the video, it appears as though you're disappointed with their decision. I believe you may have quantified your "reaction" to the news as a rant based. I'm appreciative that you shared your opinion.
2. The reaction appeared to be emotion driven as least based on your voice during the later part of the recording.
3. I know you were excited about the seasonal character scenario based on a livestream or prior video I watched. In the end, you would like something new, something challenging, something exciting, something intriguing. I BELIEVE WE ALL DO.
4. They never said they were canceling season 6 content or fully changing their plans for the future. Based on the post, it appears as though they are pivoting because of community feedback.
5. It sounds like you've assumed they are changing course exclusively because of feedback YOU are hearing/seeing from the social media community which I believe is an assumption. It's quite possible they received feedback from community members in multiple ways. That some people may have been surveyed or consulted and there may have been a collective decision to adjust their approach to the future for Div2. Or at least as it pertains to season 6.
6. I think it was appropriate for them to actually take the feedback and use it to make an executive decision because YOU and other content creators know many things we've seen over the years did NOT appear to be done because of our feedback or a community survey versus their own doing and ideas.
If you're frustrated and disappointed, so am I. Not in their decision to make an adjustment, the fact that we've gotten to this point. Very few times does community feedback lead to actual change. I just want a game I can enjoy, not get bored and not feel like I'm being shafted/wasting my time.
It's quite possible the devs might still deliver something you'll love. But I don't think this pivot means they aren't proud of what they've done so far, more so that maybe they understand they do not want to disappoint/anger the community or let us down as they sometimes have in the past. Cheers GCROCK. A supporter from afar. Keep up the great work!
I think this may have landed differently for you if they had not stated they were making a pivot because of "community feedback".
Thanks for the message. Really appreciate you taking the time and take on board a lot of your points. Thank you
I'm willing to bet that instead of that 5th character you will now have to sacrifice one of the four main characters we already have so you could lose a mule or a character that the player may have reserved for certain game modes etc and you still will only be able to use that character for the 14 weeks and the weeks 15-16 you get to use your main character.
Division fan here 👋,I have so many hrs invested on this game and that doesn't even include The First Division,I had bought every season pass since day 1 but this new season that just came out Im not giving my money away on just cosmetics,and not a true game experience
They want to try new things great got no problem with that but not with a four almost five year old game save it for division 3.
I dont understand how you're saying we cant make an informed decision when we dont know how its gonna work they said how its going to work with us having to use seasonal characters to play seasonal content and our main character couldn’t be used for it and it was explained in a way that showed how they were taking a diablo route with having to restart every season with a new character like diablo so for us who've played diablo why would we want that system in a game like the division so i disagree with that statement that we cabt have an informed decision
It wasn't going to work they need to be passionate about the bugs that need to be fixed and the dlc that needs to be dropped not off the wall ideals that won't benefit your player base at all.
I hear the complaints but what about the storage it has not been touch ever but now we can have seasonal character???
Make it a new area and map low cost DLC and find out if it’s really viable, nobody gives up characters and could play the new seasons starting new if they want. IF ( a big if) they have the separate servers and infrastructure already done. Recoup a little money for the work done and maybe cater to the veteran and adventurous at the same time.
Season characters was a big hell no for this game, and rightfully so. It wouldn't have brought nothing new to game. You would still be running the same missions getting the same gear and weapons you already have on your main character, and that which is already in the game. Seasonal characters made no sense because there was no new content coming along side those seasonal mule characters we would have gotten, and even if that was the case current team at Massive has been completely fucking up the game to no end, and introducing poor/ shitty gear and weapons of late. Why would I want to do a seasonal track if the content for those seasons are complete shit, and the end rewards is complete shit as well.
The problem is that this seasonal character bs was forced on the player base with no PTS, without no commutation with their player base on if it this was a good idea or not. Which it clearly wasn't for the majority of the player base which actually spoke up, and stood their ground on this matter.
Yeah no, i'll be happy if they scrap seasoal characters completelly. Im a busy man, i get home from my day to day job and the last thing i wanna do is another shift of day to day job called a videogame. If zhe seasonal character do come through, im dropping the game, simple as. There is only so much free time in my day, and believe it or not, id rather spend it by doing/playing something i enjoy
this is why it a good thing. they wouldn't changed their mind if their weren't whole lot more people didn't want it. Main reason people didn;t like it because in 15 week season only get use main for 2 weeks. If i can use it for 2 weeks why can't use it for all 15. it works in Diablo, it won't work in division . That is not what division ever been about. U are really only content creator i seen that in not happy about it. Community spoke and the dev heard us so blame it on the ones that wanted it and didn't speak up.
Glad hear cancelation seasonal char the choice is matter make seasonal char to access new story content only is bad move. Make seasonal char to obtain something exclusive gear or item or cosmetic during season is ok but to force it for story is big dumb
The hate is because they have a terrible track record with everything in this game.
I don’t get the appeal of seasonal characters, like what is the point of having to star over each season just to regrind all my old roles/builds and or exotics all over again?
For many reasons.
For one, once you max out your character, the game offers no further progression, achievement or goals.
Seasonal characters would re-introduce a gameplay loop most of us haven't experienced in over 4 years.
Seasonal characters would bring back value to loot, gear, resources and materials. Finding a rare item or piece of gear has more value a reward to it than it does on our main character.
Seasonal characters would re-ignite the grind most of us haven't had in years.
Seasonal characters would again present a challenge to players since the player base wouldn't be maxed out on gear.
There are plenty of games that have regular character wipes and each time these game wipes, player count significantly increases.
Too many people have this shallow argument about "starting over" but don't put any deeper thought into how playing on a character that isn't geared out of their ass implements a completely new dynamic layer of gameplay.
Wow they actually are listening to the customer don’t believe it it’s about time but they gonna do something else if they take that away something else they gonna do to make the game more boring
crazy right they listened and I applaud this! Seasonal Characters are not cancelled all the way though which means they are going to focus on a middle ground which is what I have been asking for!
I agree with you 100% i am one of those players who want to play and then tell if it's good for me not for everyone and everyone is talking about developers to give us something, and when they do it's not good, i would love to see this new master difficulty it sounds fun ❤❤
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The seasonal character was a bad ideal all together.There was no point too have to grind over with a character that was going to be deleted.Nothing about it was going to benefit your main player base.I don't agree why waste your time on something that the majority of your player base didn't want.
All of the XP and progression of seasonal characters transfers to our mains and during the seasonal intermission players would be allowed to play on their mains on seasonal content.
Keep in mind, the majority the community also didn't want the SHD watch, seasons and the expertise system.
@dylanmelotti4301 And it wasn't that they didn't want the seasons she watch or expertise it was they community wanting new content not a rerun of the same seasons over an over everyone is just hungry for something new not what we done over an over.
@@BigChris1735 People literally did not want the SHD watch or expertise system. There was this same blowback with the SHD watch and expertise system when they were first announced.
The SHD watch released 1 year after the game released and released with a DLC, that's no really a great example to complain about wanting new content when the watch literally released with new content.
As much as people complained against the expertise system, that's the only thing in the game that's offered any sense of grind for the past two years. Now that most of us have finished that, there's nothing left to progress. New content and DLC doesn't resolve this because after we complete any new content, we're right back where we are now; nothing left to grind or progress.
People who argue against seasonal wipes have never in their life played a game that has regular character wipes to understand that wipes keeps these games feeling fresh and keeps players engaged.
@dylanmelotti4301 I played games that wipe character an sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't fit an too introduce something into a game that has never had it wasn't a good ideal but we all have our own options an I remember when the shd watch was released I've been playing since day 1 it really wasn't as bad as this.
@@BigChris1735 It was pretty bad, but the exertertise backlash was worse than the SHD watch. Either way, the game needs a substation change in mitigating the build ceiling and no matter what that change is, there will have be mechanics that re-introduce a grind.
As the game stands now, there's no goal, room for progression or achievement once players max out their character.
Look at games like Tarkov, Tarkov has remained relatively the same for the past 8 years. As much as I despise that game, the few weeks following a wipe is more fun and refreshing than late wipes. That's the same reason why it will work in The Division; people will not be maxed geared and have every exotic and high end item the game has to offer.
Both PvP and PvPvE will have an entirely different feeling and dynamics if the majority of the player base doesn't have a fully or multiple fully maxed out builds.
Let's see what they'll do, at this point we have no idea how they're gonna progress things. I do hope we'll have the option of seasonal characters though, I was really looking forward to it.
Yep ive reinstalled game now
Listening to feedback is good, but it's kind of unfortunate that we didn't even get a glimpse of what it could have been. All we really had was playerbase assumptions (mostly news YTers) largely taken as fact, even though it could be completely wrong. We'll never know.
The unfortunate reality is that people won't be satisfied with whatever the devs come up with, they just don't know it yet.
I wanted it and was looking forward to it and now we will never know.
If the devs had presented the seasonal agent as optional with extra rewards for doing it they probably would have saved themselves the “massive” mutiny they got!
Absurd. They killed something that didnt even showed for what was coming for.. nobody knew how would work in fact. At least, was something new. At least, was real content to make us occupied for a good while. Most of these players that were complaining dont even play the game everyday, dont even have all the commendations and use the available content daily. They are hearing the wrong people. You can not make such decision as that without putting in balance how many people want and how many doesnt want. I know a lot of people that wanted this. And this people that wanted this talk to you with no respect, like we had to agree by force, literally. My hopes now are only on DLC 2025. Even if they are now putting the same programed content of seasons 2.0 now playable with your main character. Thats silly, just like the last Hercules manhunt is. They put Kelso there, they didnt change anything, cause they are concerned and occupied on giving what "comunity wants" soon, on seasons 2.0. Thats shame. Shame on everybody that made this happen. Sorry the revolted english, you know its not my first language 😅
Stay strong, GC! Good people are still there and maybe DLC is worth it somehow..🙏🏻
Now your losing face.....not the past at minimum last year and a half.
Totally agree with you! It's a shame we won't get to see what it could have been.
I’m disappointed in both the devs for walking back on this but also in the division community overall, I was actually excited about seasonal characters.
Same. Disappointing
Same
I was also willing to give it a go...But never say never👍✊👍
Good video GC
I think that they were going seasonal because it’s an easier way for them to give fresh new content and mechanics. I feel that the content will be lacking without a refresh. That is just my experience with being a Diablo, POE and Last Epoch player.
Totally agree with you GCROCKS though i was not completely sold on seasonal characters i was willing to try it first to see what its like then give informed decision i would think it would better to go ahead and if people still dont like it they could always take away again it was something new which is something we have not had for awhile anything new all recycled stuff now going to get se old recycled stuff because they said could not do it with our normal characters
I agree with your opinion. Maybe they are just making an excuse because they can't make the season characters happen due to some reasons.
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I was personally looking forward to seasonal characters. I am finding that the game is very dry again, we haven't had this sort of staleness since the seasonal re runs.
The manhunt is lacklustre. I enjoyed the Kelso manhunt as it was adding to the storyline. This Keener one is probably the worse we have had in recent times. Manhunts are so drawn out with no excitement anymore. The global events are repetitive and while I agree they have made them all more fun, they aren't new.
For over 5 years now we are repeating the same content, same missions, same manhunt structure, and for what?
I would have loved some sort of detailed game play footage or more detailed roadmap / PTS of what they had planned for seasonal characters, to try and appease the negative views before making this decision. I have always said I am not advocating for seasonal characters, but I was excited that it was something different and new and I haven't had that feeling in the division for a while now. 😢
Great video as always G!
Agree with your message completelly. Especially the part on how stale the game is right now. The potential to freshen it up and have a better time between content is what all this was about
Community got played and now Ubi got an accepted delay for new content. Happens in many games and everyone is blind to 😂
This is a test for what Division 3 will be like with Seasonal Characters, they need to prepare people to what is coming, personal view on this. They should back themselves as they are getting Social Feedback and NOT true feedback.
I 100% respect and agree with your opinion @GCROCK I think it was a mistake and now that all the work put into it is going to be wasted. They are listening to the loudest opinions which are usually not the right opinions. Now all those that complained about seasonal characters are going to complain that there's no new stuff, there's no challenge and there's not enough to keep them busy. The exact thing they want is what they complained about. I know I'm the rogue of the seasonal characters discussion because I was all for it. But your right there was probably a silent majority willing to try it for at least a season. But we aren't the Division Karens so didn't make ourselves known.
@@aaronfilipowich3877 For me personally I don't mind the idea of seasonal characters and would be down to try it however the thing I largely disagreed with was regarding unable to progress with season on my main. I did not grind everything out just to progress on a seasonal character that would be dropped every new season reset just to do it over again. I know my friends who played division were planning on not continuing had they decided to stick with that decision. As we collectively agreed to say "fuck that". But honestly I was intrigued by the idea but certain decisions I did not want to stay.
The people who want a challenge weren't going to get it from seasonal characters, I've been playing this game since launch and have never had any real challenge, 4 man dh, 4 man ih, 2 man dh discovery, solo ih discovery, solo legendary, none of its a challenge
@gnarlyraccoon32 true enough there's that, I've played since launch as well. My next question is how many agents do you have active and do you have a hardcore character? When was the last time you played with only the gear you could find and not multiple loadouts of maxed gear and exotics? I find new characters revitalize the game for me. I have 4 agents on PC including a hardcore agent. At the point of gaming you're at nothing they add is going to challenge you. Maybe you need to try the challenge I did with my 3rd character in Division 1, its a cowboy challenge, only use bolt action rifles, shotguns, and revolvers from level 1 to 30.
@@aaronfilipowich3877I've done everything I can do on hc without a group as no one on xbox plays hc
@gnarlyraccoon32 well then, I guess there's no more challenges for you. Might have to make some yourself? Like I said I ran a strict cowboy build in Div 1 you could try that in Div 2 🤷♂️. Bolt action MMRs, lever action rifles, pump and double barrel shotguns and revolvers and sawn offs only.
I'm disappointed... I was looking forward to seeing their take on seasonal characters. As a PoE D4 player
Im with you GC, this is the dumbest news we have heard, they should of put a survey for people when they logged into play, they game no information other than starting from 0 and people cried because they couldn't use their OP characters. Its sad really.
Cried cause they couldn't use thier OP characters? Okay so my agent “killed” Keener, my agent discovered that Kelso has gone rogue, my agent has killed the recruiter, etc etc. Why the fuck would I want to start with a new character every season that has no fucking connection to the story other than they're just another division agent?
@isuck4919 3 of mine have done that and I'm on my second hard-core character, I was looking for a new challenge.
@@eraycer then here's what you do delete a character remake it each season there you go your very own seasonal character.
@@isuck4919hate to break it to you but we will not be taking our characters into div 3. But I guess you could kept moaning to the Devs till they find a way to do so
@@stuartdeanmaskell6258 yea no shit our characters from div 2 won't move to div 3 same thing happened when div 2 dropped the main compliant I have is finishing a story in the CURRENT game that is over 5 years old with a seasonal character is a stupid decision but I guess you can keep moaning about it as much as you want
Think this is a bad idea as well. Regardless of what the pitchfork raisers think they know, we don't know everything. The developers were excited about this new change and something great could have happened. Do you remember those exploding bullets from Division 1? We lost those because people whined about it in PVP so everyone lost them. Hopefully they will still be able to achieve whatever their vision was without too much compromise.
You are fully right. In my opinion they are going now 2 steps back with this decision. Only because of little crybabies.
thanks for the video - I actually reinstalled the game because of seasonal characters so will now wait and see what if anything new comes due to the more vocal haters
That sucks. So the stupid cry babies get their way before we even saw what it was about. So we are going to get another season that is the exact same as every season we've been getting on a dying game. They have never been good at satisfying their player base. Like when all the stupid PVPers would cry about builds, they would go through and Nerf it for everybody, even the PVE players. Like Nomad for example in Division 1. They need to grow a pair, and then stick with what they were going to do. The way that they explained it sounded awesome. There were so many different mission type things that they could add, and do with everybody being on the same playing field. It's funny. I don't see a lot of people complaining about Survival mode in Division 1. That mode you started from scratch every time you played it. Yet it is probably still to this day some of people's favorite mode in any of the Division series. They need to just release Season 2.0. All the dumb cry babies can go play with their stuffies, and pacifiers. Massive sucks.
The same people that wanted this to be gone are the same people that Say the manhunts are boring, i was really expecting this seasonal characther 😢😢😢😢
Then they should focus on the manhunts like we have classified missions. You know how cool that would be? if they worked like classified missions gives lot more options for storytelling too.
Huge disappointment for me, was looking forward to seeing how seasonal characters worked. I’d rather have played it an decided I didn’t like it. It’s also disappointing seeing that they cave to social media outrage that doesn’t speak for the community as a whole.
I support your view.
Had a few hrs yesterday or day before. Normal and hc I died lol. 109 deaths to hc lol. But seasonal charrecters wtf. I'm pre-order. What does it mean. Tobe hinest anything new is good right. Come on div2 we had yrs of nothing really now there's some new we cry. Ermmm. Not sure how to see this 1 guys.
The people not wanting the seasonal characters are casuals who barely ever play the game to begin with. Their opinions don’t matter
@@dandreharris636 are you dumb? There opinions do matter. The people that don’t want seasonal characters are the same people that played since the beginning and put thousands of hours of grinding and kept the game alive. Like 90% of the community hated the idea of seasonal characters. Nobody wants to be forced to make a seasonal character just to play the new seasonal content, especially after 6 years of the games launch. People want to play how they want to play. It makes me think you’re the casual who thinks seasonal characters is a good idea. Division is not an ARPG it’s an RPG looter shooter. 🤦♂️
Most of the people I've seen who disliked the seasonal characters are long-time veterans who didn't want to grind from level 1 each season just to interact with it. All the devs had to do is make it optional, give extra rewards if you did a seasonal character and go from there.
@@Thepoof100 THIS!
SHD level 11,000, over 8,000 hours played, and I quit after the announcement. Now I might reinstall. About time they started listening to the customer.
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Noise?!
Strange description of the majorities opinion...
Calling it "Noise" is devaluing and trying to negate the opinions of, i imagine, a lot of your viewers and subscribers.
If you were in favour of seasonal characters thats great, good for you...
But it was a dreadful idea.
Im glad the devs have communicated with us and listened.
I found that the "attacks" and "hate" you speak about were more vociferous from those IN FAVOUR of seasonal characters.
I've played since day 1.
The seasonal character bs would mean all my years were wasted to appease aome transient, low attention span, undedicated new players that they hoped to get.
If you want to play stripped back, start from scratch, you already have the dreadful Descent mode.
Anyhoo, you're entitled to your opinion, but you are very wrong on this.
Good luck Agent 🫡
Add any spin on it what you want, I am devaluing nobody that had an opinion and shared it respectfuly. This is clear.
Noise, the people that don't do this and use social media as a platform to share their opinion like its the only one that mattera and attack anyone that has any other view. This is noise. And if any of my subs/viewers are doing this and fall into this category then I would rather they unsub anyway.
I am not wrong, there are mixed views. This is fact. Since they did the u-turn more and more people have now spoke out about how they would have at least wanted to try this first. I don't know why people just can't have their opinion and accept that others have different which is blatently obvious here just by reading through the comments on this video.
Sounds like you fall under the category of only your opinion matters and there is no other.
@@GCROCK Nope, I welcome everyone's opinion, yes even if it's different to mine.
Yes, I'd have liked to try their plans for Seasons 2.0 out first, but there was no closed test, no PTS, and it wouldn't have been available to the likes of me anyway, as I don't play on PC and I'm not a content creator.
The game is 5 years old.
We keep playing every day because we love the mechanics of the game, and we love developing our character.
The game doesn't need fundamental changes.
It needs new content and bug fixes.
I would say that your opinions in this video show that you only care about what you think and what you want.
Do a poll or something.
Again, you're entitled to your opinion, and I value it, and enjoy to debate stuff in a friendly manner.
That's the way it should be.
There's no place in this for hate and abuse.
Anyway, I always watch a few videos from people before subscribing to them here on RUclips.
As you have such a low opinion of me and my views, I won't be subscribing.
But no hate, and good luck.
Ta-ra
@@GCROCK oh, and you calling people's views and opinions "Noise" is the only "Spin" going on here.
@simondillon I did a poll. So many asked for this. 60/40 currently in favor of trying and seeing this first and disagree on the u-turn.
I already knew this and my views are based on interacting with thousands of people each with their own opinion.
Again, views are mixed. They say they hear us but they heard the noise and the negative. The positive stay quiet. The positive are now speaking up more after they make this decision and its very clear to see that many wanted more info first and at least to try it first.
This is all I am saying in the video so I dont see how this is a problem.
Again, I am not calling people views and opinions noise. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.