@@LinnyUwU You see what happened to Rayman? I agree Reimu is a strong candidate for Smash but nobody asked for another FE characters, Then Sakurai puts Byleth (She's a great fighter). This ends up Internet riot to Sakurai disobedience
How Touhou has maintained it's popularity? Easy. Fans like you guys kept it alive and thriving. In the days where Triple A has shown less and less compassion towards their main consumer base, many of us die hard fandoms have shown that we can and will prolong a series' success well into the future. Sure, we'll have our ups and downs, and sure, we'll have some bad apples (bad people, not the song), but such are the flavor of life. The life of a series we've become quite attached to. Quite off topic, but this is why I also against having Touhou being picked up by larger companies. Sure, it'll get a boost in budget and we might get the Gensokyo Skyrim or Smash we've always wanted, but will it be the same afterwards? After what we've seen they're capable of doing to long-running beloved game series?
i would agree with this statement wholeheartedly:3. touhou honestly does have a pretty friendly and laid back as reimu fanbase that outside of a few areas in the past (that even then blowed away qicker than someone going against aya when she's serious.) isnt hostile and is respectful to it and its creator(like i really am floored how respectful and protective of the no revealing the endings rule even to those who never nknew it at all.). i dont think something like reimu being in smash would be a bad thing at all(nintendo wouldnt immediatly take it from zun and make touhou their ip. despite honestly saving their popularity and feeling more at home as nintendo series, persona 5 and bayonetta are still owened by atlus and platinum games respectively.) and id be down with seeing her or the others(in terms of fighters id still want shantae, viridi, crash bandicoot, morrigan, jeanne from bayonetta and arle from puyo puyo 1st though.) the problem that i only see is if zun would have interest since outside of making a mario maker stage(showing off that huge awesome collection of touhou griffon enterprise figures in his office that i would love someone to send me more videos and pics of its so cool.) touhou doesnt have much of a presence on nintendo outside of fangames and collaborations since not even the fighting games like urban legend in limbo have been released on switch.
Unfortunately 90% of most triple A company's sacrifice the long term of there franchises both in its fanbase and quality in order to make more immediate money in the short term no matter how minuscule in it is the long run. Nintendo at the moment is the exception to this rule For now
There are many ways people get into Touhou. I may had got into Touhou through Nights of Nights, but I stayed for the music and the lore (mythology, character history, locations etc). Especially being able to enjoy Touhou as a bilingual really boosted my experience. It's not every day where you get to enjoy fan content from both from Japan and internationally, while being able to bridge between both communities (and wikis). But what truly keeps this fandom together, would be the fans and the works they create and spread. Without fan creation, Touhou itself may not be as popular as it is now. Maybe we would not have large scale events like Reitaisai. Maybe we would have never seen Touhou in a global society. But its thanks to all creators and the fans who kept this series going. It's fandom inspired me to create fan fictions, fan music, and learn about mythology and psychology. Touhou is a creative force that is ever growing and evolving. Whether Touhou is going, I hope it would be always be this great community that I will always come to love and respect. ChaosAngel: No one shall be able to drive us from the wonderland that ZUN created for us.
@@joshuaharper1567 i got into 2hu from jevil fight i was stuck on jevil, i heard the memes about clownpiece and jevil, and i thought, if i can beat clownpiece, i can beat jevil, so i wento to moriah shrine, downloaded LoLK and died a million times but the music was full of bangers, and i started getting deeper into it i never got past stage 2's midboss btw
It is also the tone, which makes it relatively unique. There are very few series where you can have someone like Yukari work both as a joke and as a legitimately terrifying being.
It's definitely a reason that it's sparked up interest again recently. But long time fans have stuck with it for years, and the music and characters will pop up all over the place and lots of people won't even know that its Touhou. Oh and also... Reimu For Smash bros Ultimate!
Even if Reimu is not a fighter, a spirit is enough for most of us I would imagine. Like yeah as fighter, everyone will lose their collective shits, but with a spirit, we can all say “Yeah the Touhou series was technical in a first party Nintendo game”
I heard many attributing Touhou's popularity to only its music and that it's nothing without it. To me, that seems very underrating Zun's touch on its popularity. Why would so many people make so many beautiful artworks and creative games just because it had good music? Wouldn't it make more sense just to make remix/song and occasionally some artworks? Bullet hell is a very niche genre so I can understand how so many can underestimate its appeal and how much it influences Touhou's popularity. But Zun doesn't create bullet patterns for the sake of the create bullet pattern. As much his sprites 'suck', his bullet patterns are gorgeous and creative and they reflect part of the character's personality and charm as much as the music. Talking about his bad sprites, people fail to understand how unique they are. As much people meme about Zun's bad drawings, he still bothers to add unique details to each of them making them stand on their own. They are basically well-designed sketches that inspire people to make good artwork about them. I mean we can all agree that Touhou popularity is mostly carried by the fandom but I disagree that Zun's contribution to its popularity it's just music. The bullet pattern and sprite design also give personality and charm to his characters to appeal to people.
Its all by one drunk japanese guy Tbh it really fascinates me, theres something unique about this fandom that makes me liked it Touhou's overall popularity may have dropped over the years but it still slowly growing back! im happy that the r/touhou has reached its 50k members now and i hope the overall community both japan and the west will increase too Anyways,Epic Vid Magi!
To me it's still mainly the gameplay, with it's amazing flow, atmosphere and characterisation in combination with the music, which amplifies all the above immensly. That stuff ,that touhou presents you can't really find anywhere else anywhere else. (maybe except Undertale/Deltarne)
If only I had the power to warp reality or *[ Z A W A R U D O : O V E R H E A V E N ]* I would change 100% of all the FE characters on smash to 2hu Characters
Smooth McGroove was the reason why I tried Touhou (EoSD to be more precise) for the first time, even if my first exposure was for GMod videos. ZUN has played us like a damn fiddle
It's how most people get introduced. Hentai and memes or hentai memes. There's other stuff but seeing some random chubby purple mage get porked by a demon succubus looking character you start asking questions wondering wtf is touhou project and why is it at 357k+ in the fan arts or tags.
I remember watching these tredning Touhou videos since 2011. In 2017, I became a fan of "Touhou Project" for the music, MMD videos and a few memes, after being obsessed with a Danmaku game called "Space Invader: Infinity Gene" that plays very similar to most Touhou games. If only that game would get ported to PC/Steam. Also, I'm still hoping for a "Marvel vs. Capcom" styled Doujin fan game called "Capcom vs. Touhou: Heroes of Lotus Wonderland" to exist. I mean you think these fan-bases as big as "Touhou Project" & "Vs. Capcom Series", a group of fans would make that kind of crossover game via either "Unity 3D" or "MUGEN". Look at "Capcom Universe: Nexus of Heroes". That game proves that it's possible to develop a cross-over Doujin game like that. Hopefully this idea/concept will help inspire some Touhou fans & Capcom fans who are looking forward to developing a Doujin Fan game. Do you agree with my thoughts?
This is from one of my steam profile comments. "I'm not saying Touhou is weeb,because it's not. Touhou is something special and definitely be remembered by many."
I know about touhou practically all my life, I think the first thing I saw was a youtuber that make funny GTA san andreas videos, full of touhou references and a mod that changes your character to flandre remilia or marisa. I didn't understand what touhou was, but the videos were funny and I was like 13 years old. And around at the same time I also watch the ronald mcdonald insanity video with flandre theme, and read on the comments that it was touhou music. But years later I was seeing touhou everywhere all the time, like everything I like had a touhou version/parody of it, and I was like "ok, I need to know what's this all about" and started playing Touhou 6 EoSD. I fell In love with the gameplay and the music, it blew my mind how good it was, but then I play the other games and were at the same quality level. Challenging old school games and great music are the two things that I like the most. I came because of the fandom things all over the internet and keep playing the games til today. Someday I wanna have a touhou tattoo lol
Yeah, an idiotic villain loli does a thing that causes climate change and the equally idiotic protag lolis go and shoot everyone on their way to the villain loli and they all have tea and become friends afterwards.
Getting into Touhou itself was a weird thing for me. I remember being in high school when memes and RUclips was getting off the ground, seeing so many videos such as Geddan or old memes of the characters that I never knew were from a long lasting game series was bizarre to see. Cut to years later, starting college and hearing a guy playing Touhou music over his phone but with no idea at the time. Then a few years after that, one of my now closest friends introduced me to Warugaki's version of Remilia and I slowly started getting hooked when he explained the series she's from. Now, I don't know if it's thanks to me latching on or a general interest and desire to find anything new when I was worried I was losing an interest in anything - but soon enough, I got hooked. Nowadays, I especially consider Touhou one of my favorite all time franchises. Thanks to a drunk game developer who allows his fans to have free reign - something normally unheard of, ESPECIALLY in the West, to a fanbase that remained through thick and thin, a beautiful setting that had an excellent mix of light and dark story telling, revived my love in Japanese culture and mythology that was fading, as well as theories that almost seem like rabbit holes within rabbit holes and countless remakes and songs for even the most obscure or the most popular of characters (seriously, I love seeing the number of tracks for characters like Yumemi, Remilia, Junko, and Utsuho). I can really go on forever, but seeing what I missed out on over the years and realizing how much Touhou sprinkled itself in my mind throughout the years really made me appriciate the franchise more than almost any other.
When I found touhou I thought it was a anime then quickly learned it was a fan creation of a game. Then found out it was a bullet hell which I'm bad at but like so I got touhou 6 and somehow managed to beat it then got into the music and now am just trying to learn who everyone is now lol. I am planning on playing more of them.
I agree that picking up other hobbies, or just general growing up, can make you lose interest in a series. I've certainly felt it after being a fan since UFO came out. But after poking your head back into the fandom, you're quickly reminded why you are a fan of the series in the first place, and your love for it just grows all over again. Certainly keeps me motivated to keep writing fanfics for the series, and I'll probably still be a fan long after!
I first heard reimilias theme in some guy who did reaction videos intro and I had no idea what the song was then a good 5 or 6 years later I think I found RhaardEBs channel then later Falkkon’s And found there covers of septett for the dead princess and other Touhou covers and thuse my obsession with remilia began before I knew who she was I was into tf2 at the time and also found a video called night men that was a cover of wriggle’s theme A while after that on the good server me and my friends played on I was playing Music on the media player TV in the game and one of my friends put on night of nights I asked him what it was frome and he said Touhou I then proceeded to look it up at night and immediately found you’re character profile of reimilia and my obsession grew And that was the story all about how my life got flipped turned upside down by the touhou project that was in the background of my life for the longest time and was brought to the foreground because of an obsession with a catchy song and character associated with that song as well as EOSD in general Good god I’ve been rambling through text
Nintendo : Why is this pathetic game still alive? ZUN : Oh, hey you forgot about Melee. Nintendo : I don't care for it's competitive scene, as I want to know how your game is still alive. ZUN : That's because I allow my game's fans to make any kind of content they want without me taking them down... Unlike you
Same with Sega and somewhat valve. Even if they make bad games fans pickup the slack HARD. Bethesda did that too until it went the always online paid sub routes.
1. artists, lots of them 2. fans music 3. loosely right to make touhou fan games 4. Lore 5. more than 10-15 officials touhou game (probably more than 30 if Zun live that long) 6. R-18 and so on….
Nintendo Sony and alot of other companies can learn. Touhou and Sega have a huge fanbase because of community input. Same with modded games. Both start with a couple handful or one person and then the fans take the reigns. It's like art. Once the artist creates after awhile it belongs to society. So many people from many different backgrounds and talents make so many different types of music, fan made games, comics, books, and even fanimes. As a greentext once pointed out: It's like TF2. TF2 it's just general to make stuff and be close to the cannon in some way while also being specific enough to get an idea of how the characters should be portrayed. Like soldier is a psychotic maniac but hes patriotic and will die for his team. Aside from being American not much is revealed nor about his potential future. Oddly enough weird or cartoon-Y or sometimes serious series can have many angles to work with. Lastly what he said us correct. Each character is fleshed out enough you can identify them by sillhouettes like in bad apple. Flandere Scarlett has diamond wings. Komachi usually has braids and a scythe and is seen on a boat working in the dead underworld's river. Reimu has her youkai beating stick and bows. Marisa has her broom and witch get up, etc. If you talk about a kelptomaniac witch that shoots lazers first thing to come to mind is Marisa. A shrime maiden whose lazy but also money driven and still good at heart Reimu. Even the new touhous you got angry space mom, claymation poop artist, another foxgirl, butterfly girl, crazy backup dancers, wheelchair backdoor momma, statue doggo, blue reskinned reporter, Mike, etc. You could probably point them out.
That explains how it maintains its popularity, and even part of how it spread to the west, but how it got big was definitely the Spellcard system. Danmaku is way less niche in the east than in the west and Touhou got its first spike from obscurity after it added that element. The music stayed largely the same but greater color variety was also added to the Danmaku in that iteration but it's the Spellcards that really stand out.
I haven't played a single Touhou game (and I probably won't because I don't wanna end up breaking my controller / keyboard or whatever magic device it needs to be played with) but I've come across the series thanks to Smooth McGroove's video and I've been in love with the music ever since. At first I only had a short glimpse at what people recommended and, for years, stuck with U.N. Owen Was Her, Necrofantasia and Septette for the Dead Princess as the only parts of my collection. Around fall of 2017, while at work, I remembered that I had always wanted to check out more of these games' OSTs and so I searched for a playlist that contained every song in chronological order. As soon as "A Sacred Lot" started playing, I knew I had stumbled upon something huge. Now it's April 2020 and ever since that day more than two years ago, I have been almost exclusively listening to Touhou music. Sure, there are a couple of other decent tracks and OSTs every now and then, but it's been pretty much 95 % Touhou. I just never get tired of it, be it the awesome originals or the amazing remixes made by fans. What started out as three random songs in my "nerd music" folder has now grown into its own collection spanning 119 songs (still growing), separated into originals, remixes, medleys and RichaadEB's Bullet Hell album (+ the tracks he made after its release). With hundreds of hours spent listening to the music on RUclips (and seeing the great fanart accompanying it) comes the desire to know more about the games, the characters and the world they're inhabiting. So I've been reading a bunch of Wiki articles, etc., started checking out the manga series with the three fairies and I've been watching videos such as this one right here. Glad to hear ZUN enjoys the fans getting creative with his world. tl:dr; ZUN does sound like a pretty swell guy and I'm thankful for what he created.
My passion for 2hu has been waning ever since Ten Desires. Whereas I used to devour anything from games, manga, music, doujins, fanfics, etc., nowadays I feel like all of those things have lost their shine. I guess that just happens when you've been around a fandom for a while.
Touhou is about gods and youkais... they never die. They never die according to their lore and never die as a cultural phenomenon (shinto is still being a main religion in Japan nowadays)
The gameplay is a big factor as well. The games are not top notch programming wise, but the concept is everything you want a satisfying danmaku game to be. The focus/unfocus is very managable and enjoyable to control, little things like the graze mechanic and deathbombing gives you the sense that you can achieve higher than just dodge all, kill all and get rewarded to give 110%. The danmaku focuses more on creative patterns than speed so precision is just as much of a factor as rection time. The games are in general not on the hardcore spectrum, opening them up to a wider audience. The still take time to beat and provide a challange for nearly everyone, but they dont push the human limit at stage 2. The power system gives some sense of progression and growth without the need for a permant upgrade system that detracts from the actual gameplay.
Top-notch music and character designs, combined with the near lack of restrictions on making fan content. It allows for literally anything to be made, you can even make a Touhou horror fanfic and it can still be good. That is what makes people come back. One thing that I will never get is how Nintendo passed such a big opportunity to include this series in Smash! Instead we got more FE characters and recycled content from the base game. At least we have Steve.
it would seem what Sakuya has gotten tired to Patchouli not doing her work right witch is the last straw so she is now "helping her " exercise she does need it
I was introduced to Legacy of lunatic kingdom as a first contact with the series in 2015. Traumatic is an understatement. (Don't introduce a new person straight to Legacy or Subterranean ever). Fortunately Frontier games were there too. So i knew there are so fun games as well. Music was the reason i'm stayed. I discovered Horned Hermit on my own. It was difficult to read Word goshintai was on second page xD Reading HH without any knowledge about shinto or touhou fun stuff. Everyone is different for me, lore and music decided that i'm here now and not somewhere else. Because of doujin works i discovered this channel.
Music Characters Gameplay then Fandom has arrived od the most die hard fans which created Hentai Remixes Dojinshi works etc. which lead more people to it and the circle starts again but even bigger than before
It shocks me that most hentai 2hu works are pedophilic(most lewd works are about characters who look like 8 year olds namely Flandre,Koishi,Remilia,Satori etc)
@@thedegenerateone1122 that's not the point The abnormal thing about it is that a shit ton of people fap at Koishi hentai so fucking much in hentai sites that it enrages me since they know she looks like 8 yet they still Fap at her. You might think "what a hypocrite, look at your pfp" Welp.. I got this pic from just typing Koishi Komeiji Ahegao I didn't search at some Doujin website
personally it's not just the characters and music, but i also ADORE the mainline games and their gameplay. yes, a year old video, i don't care, i want to say my own opinion :( it's just another bullet hell but i love bullet hells anyway, and touhou is in my opinion one of the best bullet hells too
Because it's all mostly the work of one guy it's free from the corporate franchise-ization stuff that's turned people off of so many other properties (e.g. Star Wars). ZUN isn't under any enormous strain to "10x" the profit he makes from this year's game versus last year's the way he would be if Team Shanghai Alice was a huge corporation that has to drive profit for shareholder. Because of that there's no pressure for him to stretch Touhou into areas it may not fit into, or write or design things in way he may not be comfortable with but the marketing department said will drive more game or manga sales.
Wow! Where did you get your latest "Master Spark" ending shot? And also..."Open Worlds," no matter how they manage to exist (one of mine is The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind" and it's add-ons) tend to attract followers who stay with 'em. Whether it's a game that allows players to add additional content (like Morrowind and Minecraft) or game WORLDS that allow fans to create derivative content, like Touhou, Vocaloid, and a few others.
Why? Simple. Some people just got into it late at this quarantine, like me, i know Touhou a long time ago since JzBoy uploaded Marisa vs Asriel but i never got to it, until 2020.
i just watch it. here have a like! if Zun were as strict as others like nintendo, we will not see mariari,nitroid,labyrinth of touhou, megamari, super marisa world, spring crisis, nitori inc and other cool games based on touhou. not to mention some art, arranged music, vocal tracks like something made by rd sounds, yellow Zebra, cool and create. i can only name few because i only know few but because Zun is fine about sharing is IP we have nice things up to know... and few bad things that AVGN will cover someday. can someone link Zun social media account so i can post him thank you using google translate??
Boi this is kind of funny with deadman's plagiarism drama, that POS still somehow doesn't receive any punishment yet and people still got scammed and lied
One thing that must be avoided when it comes to a popular franchise. I see a Salty Undertale community always saying "Get Dunked On!" While I afraid one of Touhou community copies their behavior by saying "Za Warudo for timestop or Master Spark for Kamehameha."
like why the fuck i would like a bunch of fucking over powered girls as specially sakya which can stop time unlimited time when controlling time is my dream
Funny how Touhou’s popular is something many want to reach but looking at recent clown festa of WC3 that had high popularity because of freedom of maps and gamemodes only to be ruined by greed of literally legally stealing community contents and somehow for some god know what reason they said they wonder why they don’t have popularity like this and this applies to many clown festa of other triple A company And they still wonder why...
![Touhou - Character Profile Reimu Hakurei Part 1 [Intro] (Red and White, Armpit Miko!)](/img/1.gif)
It can be even more popular if Reimus put into Smash.
That hope is dead because of Sakurai disobedience to fan. Her chance is gonna be increased when Dante's chosen instead of Byleth
@@Pashurafhu What are you talking about? This is the game where we got Ridley, K Rool, and Banjo all in, anything can happen!!
@@LinnyUwU
Dont forget Sans, even though it's just a skin
@@LinnyUwU You see what happened to Rayman? I agree Reimu is a strong candidate for Smash but nobody asked for another FE characters, Then Sakurai puts Byleth (She's a great fighter). This ends up Internet riot to Sakurai disobedience
@@Pashurafhu
Sakurai admit that there are too much FE characters in Smash, he just follows what Nintendo ask him to do.
id imagine the music is one of the things that keeps it popular
come for the girls, stay for the pursue of true and pristine art
The music does help a lot.
Don;t forget get about H doujins. This is like blood Transfusion for popular series.
the series itself is uninteresting in its universe. it's only a pretexte for that this guy sell disks
How Touhou has maintained it's popularity?
Easy. Fans like you guys kept it alive and thriving. In the days where Triple A has shown less and less compassion towards their main consumer base, many of us die hard fandoms have shown that we can and will prolong a series' success well into the future. Sure, we'll have our ups and downs, and sure, we'll have some bad apples (bad people, not the song), but such are the flavor of life. The life of a series we've become quite attached to.
Quite off topic, but this is why I also against having Touhou being picked up by larger companies. Sure, it'll get a boost in budget and we might get the Gensokyo Skyrim or Smash we've always wanted, but will it be the same afterwards? After what we've seen they're capable of doing to long-running beloved game series?
It's possible. But getting a light shown by the main stream might not be the worse thing.
i would agree with this statement wholeheartedly:3. touhou honestly does have a pretty friendly and laid back as reimu fanbase that outside of a few areas in the past (that even then blowed away qicker than someone going against aya when she's serious.) isnt hostile and is respectful to it and its creator(like i really am floored how respectful and protective of the no revealing the endings rule even to those who never nknew it at all.). i dont think something like reimu being in smash would be a bad thing at all(nintendo wouldnt immediatly take it from zun and make touhou their ip. despite honestly saving their popularity and feeling more at home as nintendo series, persona 5 and bayonetta are still owened by atlus and platinum games respectively.) and id be down with seeing her or the others(in terms of fighters id still want shantae, viridi, crash bandicoot, morrigan, jeanne from bayonetta and arle from puyo puyo 1st though.) the problem that i only see is if zun would have interest since outside of making a mario maker stage(showing off that huge awesome collection of touhou griffon enterprise figures in his office that i would love someone to send me more videos and pics of its so cool.) touhou doesnt have much of a presence on nintendo outside of fangames and collaborations since not even the fighting games like urban legend in limbo have been released on switch.
Unfortunately 90% of most triple A company's sacrifice the long term of there franchises both in its fanbase and quality in order to make more immediate money in the short term no matter how minuscule in it is the long run.
Nintendo at the moment is the exception to this rule For now
There are many ways people get into Touhou. I may had got into Touhou through Nights of Nights, but I stayed for the music and the lore (mythology, character history, locations etc). Especially being able to enjoy Touhou as a bilingual really boosted my experience. It's not every day where you get to enjoy fan content from both from Japan and internationally, while being able to bridge between both communities (and wikis).
But what truly keeps this fandom together, would be the fans and the works they create and spread. Without fan creation, Touhou itself may not be as popular as it is now. Maybe we would not have large scale events like Reitaisai. Maybe we would have never seen Touhou in a global society. But its thanks to all creators and the fans who kept this series going. It's fandom inspired me to create fan fictions, fan music, and learn about mythology and psychology. Touhou is a creative force that is ever growing and evolving. Whether Touhou is going, I hope it would be always be this great community that I will always come to love and respect.
ChaosAngel: No one shall be able to drive us from the wonderland that ZUN created for us.
@@joshuaharper1567 i got into 2hu from jevil fight
i was stuck on jevil, i heard the memes about clownpiece and jevil, and i thought, if i can beat clownpiece, i can beat jevil, so i wento to moriah shrine, downloaded LoLK and died a million times
but the music was full of bangers, and i started getting deeper into it
i never got past stage 2's midboss btw
I found it funny how there are more Touhou art than Original art on Danbooru xd
There's a lot of fan arts that's for sure.
No not that website
@@Izayoink_Saccuy Safebooru for you then.
@@totallyalpharius507 I'm a safebooru fan lol
ohoho, not danbooru) no.
It is also the tone, which makes it relatively unique. There are very few series where you can have someone like Yukari work both as a joke and as a legitimately terrifying being.
You're right about that. Yukari works well in that fine balance, depending on her role.
honestly i would ask saitama or any other over powered character to stomp tohou verse
nah
How to maintain your game's popularity:
1.learn how 2 make game
2.make a classic game
3.draw loli
4.???
5.profit!!
also make it easily mesh with other works, memes, games and art, which Touhou does perfectly due to loads of characters, scenarios and ideas
don't get mad, but I think the subject of Reimu for smash is a great reason at present
I think so as well.
It's definitely a reason that it's sparked up interest again recently.
But long time fans have stuck with it for years, and the music and characters will pop up all over the place and lots of people won't even know that its Touhou.
Oh and also... Reimu For Smash bros Ultimate!
Even if Reimu is not a fighter, a spirit is enough for most of us I would imagine. Like yeah as fighter, everyone will lose their collective shits, but with a spirit, we can all say “Yeah the Touhou series was technical in a first party Nintendo game”
Tbh smash bros doesn't deserve Reimu. It would be nice but overall it's NINTENDO and yall know how they feel about anything fan made using their IPs.
sakurai don't listen the players
Rumia Yokai Class: Low
Rumia is cute
I can't deny that, when she's not eating us anyway.
@@Magiftw yeah ...
Yes~
ZUN is a one man developer, and also a drinker...
But somehow this one man manage to gain popularity more than an entire company.
ZUN does work.
he's not very intereresting.
I heard many attributing Touhou's popularity to only its music and that it's nothing without it. To me, that seems very underrating Zun's touch on its popularity. Why would so many people make so many beautiful artworks and creative games just because it had good music? Wouldn't it make more sense just to make remix/song and occasionally some artworks?
Bullet hell is a very niche genre so I can understand how so many can underestimate its appeal and how much it influences Touhou's popularity. But Zun doesn't create bullet patterns for the sake of the create bullet pattern. As much his sprites 'suck', his bullet patterns are gorgeous and creative and they reflect part of the character's personality and charm as much as the music.
Talking about his bad sprites, people fail to understand how unique they are. As much people meme about Zun's bad drawings, he still bothers to add unique details to each of them making them stand on their own. They are basically well-designed sketches that inspire people to make good artwork about them.
I mean we can all agree that Touhou popularity is mostly carried by the fandom but I disagree that Zun's contribution to its popularity it's just music. The bullet pattern and sprite design also give personality and charm to his characters to appeal to people.
Hmm, I see. While I like to rag on the artwork, I can't deny that they're "unique" in that it's hard not to tell what style it's based from.
6:30
Okay. You got me there. Although it started because I listened to some Bad Apple remixes and covers weeks ago.
Aunn too cute XD
Its all by one drunk japanese guy
Tbh it really fascinates me, theres something unique about this fandom that makes me liked it
Touhou's overall popularity may have dropped over the years but it still slowly growing back! im happy that the r/touhou has reached its 50k members now and i hope the overall community both japan and the west will increase too
Anyways,Epic Vid Magi!
disgusting
To me it's still mainly the gameplay, with it's amazing flow, atmosphere and characterisation in combination with the music, which amplifies all the above immensly. That stuff ,that touhou presents you can't really find anywhere else anywhere else. (maybe except Undertale/Deltarne)
Huh, I see. Glad to hear that.
If only I had the power to warp reality or *[ Z A W A R U D O : O V E R H E A V E N ]* I would change 100% of all the FE characters on smash to 2hu Characters
That would give Touhou a lot of characters.
or i owuld ask saitama to somp them
Smooth McGroove was the reason why I tried Touhou (EoSD to be more precise) for the first time, even if my first exposure was for GMod videos.
ZUN has played us like a damn fiddle
ZUN's got that big brain.
A decent about of reasons here seem to be
*ＨＥＮＴＡＩ*
XD
No kidding, I think TH has the best Hentai Doujin circle- or at least ties with Fate, as it is older
glad that star platinum and the world raped sakya
It's how most people get introduced. Hentai and memes or hentai memes. There's other stuff but seeing some random chubby purple mage get porked by a demon succubus looking character you start asking questions wondering wtf is touhou project and why is it at 357k+ in the fan arts or tags.
How is it still popular?
Simple! The music. If not, then hentai. Trust me.
look like you know what you are talking about
Very true.
bruh im there because ZUN add some japan mythology (and some foreign mythology)
Congratulations! You’re the rare exception.
@@undeaddino1046 wdym?
It was definitely the music that got me into Touhou. Now days I still listen to a lot of the music and of course the art is top notch.
The music is without a doubt banging.
the series is uninteresting in the universe
I remember watching these tredning Touhou videos since 2011. In 2017, I became a fan of "Touhou Project" for the music, MMD videos and a few memes, after being obsessed with a Danmaku game called "Space Invader: Infinity Gene" that plays very similar to most Touhou games. If only that game would get ported to PC/Steam. Also, I'm still hoping for a "Marvel vs. Capcom" styled Doujin fan game called "Capcom vs. Touhou: Heroes of Lotus Wonderland" to exist. I mean you think these fan-bases as big as "Touhou Project" & "Vs. Capcom Series", a group of fans would make that kind of crossover game via either "Unity 3D" or "MUGEN". Look at "Capcom Universe: Nexus of Heroes". That game proves that it's possible to develop a cross-over Doujin game like that. Hopefully this idea/concept will help inspire some Touhou fans & Capcom fans who are looking forward to developing a Doujin Fan game. Do you agree with my thoughts?
I've heard of stuff like that before.
This is from one of my steam profile comments.
"I'm not saying Touhou is weeb,because it's not. Touhou is something special and definitely be remembered by many."
Saying Touhou is weeb is like saying Legend of Zelda and Fire Emblem is weeb just because it's from Japan.
I like that quote.
I know about touhou practically all my life, I think the first thing I saw was a youtuber that make funny GTA san andreas videos, full of touhou references and a mod that changes your character to flandre remilia or marisa. I didn't understand what touhou was, but the videos were funny and I was like 13 years old. And around at the same time I also watch the ronald mcdonald insanity video with flandre theme, and read on the comments that it was touhou music. But years later I was seeing touhou everywhere all the time, like everything I like had a touhou version/parody of it, and I was like "ok, I need to know what's this all about" and started playing Touhou 6 EoSD. I fell In love with the gameplay and the music, it blew my mind how good it was, but then I play the other games and were at the same quality level. Challenging old school games and great music are the two things that I like the most. I came because of the fandom things all over the internet and keep playing the games til today. Someday I wanna have a touhou tattoo lol
Oh wow. Your first exposure to funny GTA san andreas is definitely different from what I'm used to.
ruclips.net/video/MXuhnvWNErw/видео.html
Also, the story is pretty amazing
Theres a story? I thought it was just bored lolis that drank too much.
Yeah, an idiotic villain loli does a thing that causes climate change and the equally idiotic protag lolis go and shoot everyone on their way to the villain loli and they all have tea and become friends afterwards.
Getting into Touhou itself was a weird thing for me. I remember being in high school when memes and RUclips was getting off the ground, seeing so many videos such as Geddan or old memes of the characters that I never knew were from a long lasting game series was bizarre to see. Cut to years later, starting college and hearing a guy playing Touhou music over his phone but with no idea at the time. Then a few years after that, one of my now closest friends introduced me to Warugaki's version of Remilia and I slowly started getting hooked when he explained the series she's from. Now, I don't know if it's thanks to me latching on or a general interest and desire to find anything new when I was worried I was losing an interest in anything - but soon enough, I got hooked.
Nowadays, I especially consider Touhou one of my favorite all time franchises. Thanks to a drunk game developer who allows his fans to have free reign - something normally unheard of, ESPECIALLY in the West, to a fanbase that remained through thick and thin, a beautiful setting that had an excellent mix of light and dark story telling, revived my love in Japanese culture and mythology that was fading, as well as theories that almost seem like rabbit holes within rabbit holes and countless remakes and songs for even the most obscure or the most popular of characters (seriously, I love seeing the number of tracks for characters like Yumemi, Remilia, Junko, and Utsuho).
I can really go on forever, but seeing what I missed out on over the years and realizing how much Touhou sprinkled itself in my mind throughout the years really made me appriciate the franchise more than almost any other.
I'm glad to see how what Touhou has been like for you over the years.
some memes are nonsense.
When did you get a new outro also it's nice
And i hope reimu get's into smash bros touhou is getting more popular
Reimu in smash would be cool.
When I found touhou I thought it was a anime then quickly learned it was a fan creation of a game. Then found out it was a bullet hell which I'm bad at but like so I got touhou 6 and somehow managed to beat it then got into the music and now am just trying to learn who everyone is now lol. I am planning on playing more of them.
I agree that picking up other hobbies, or just general growing up, can make you lose interest in a series. I've certainly felt it after being a fan since UFO came out. But after poking your head back into the fandom, you're quickly reminded why you are a fan of the series in the first place, and your love for it just grows all over again. Certainly keeps me motivated to keep writing fanfics for the series, and I'll probably still be a fan long after!
I first heard reimilias theme in some guy who did reaction videos intro and I had no idea what the song was then a good 5 or 6 years later I think I found RhaardEBs channel then later Falkkon’s
And found there covers of septett for the dead princess and other Touhou covers and thuse my obsession with remilia began before I knew who she was
I was into tf2 at the time and also found a video called night men that was a cover of wriggle’s theme
A while after that on the good server me and my friends played on I was playing Music on the media player TV in the game and one of my friends put on night of nights I asked him what it was frome and he said Touhou
I then proceeded to look it up at night and immediately found you’re character profile of reimilia and my obsession grew
And that was the story all about how my life got flipped turned upside down by the touhou project that was in the background of my life for the longest time and was brought to the foreground because of an obsession with a catchy song and character associated with that song as well as EOSD in general
Good god I’ve been rambling through text
I've heard of those two channels before. They make some good remixes.
Nintendo : Why is this pathetic game still alive?
ZUN : Oh, hey you forgot about Melee.
Nintendo : I don't care for it's competitive scene, as I want to know how your game is still alive.
ZUN :
That's because I allow my game's fans to make any kind of content they want without me taking them down... Unlike you
A good response.
Same with Sega and somewhat valve. Even if they make bad games fans pickup the slack HARD.
Bethesda did that too until it went the always online paid sub routes.
Im gonna throw in MinusT in this section
MinusT certainly helps.
1. artists, lots of them
2. fans music
3. loosely right to make touhou fan games
4. Lore
5. more than 10-15 officials touhou game (probably more than 30 if Zun live that long)
6. R-18
and so on….
Nintendo Sony and alot of other companies can learn.
Touhou and Sega have a huge fanbase because of community input. Same with modded games.
Both start with a couple handful or one person and then the fans take the reigns.
It's like art. Once the artist creates after awhile it belongs to society.
So many people from many different backgrounds and talents make so many different types of music, fan made games, comics, books, and even fanimes.
As a greentext once pointed out:
It's like TF2.
TF2 it's just general to make stuff and be close to the cannon in some way while also being specific enough to get an idea of how the characters should be portrayed. Like soldier is a psychotic maniac but hes patriotic and will die for his team. Aside from being American not much is revealed nor about his potential future.
Oddly enough weird or cartoon-Y or sometimes serious series can have many angles to work with.
Lastly what he said us correct. Each character is fleshed out enough you can identify them by sillhouettes like in bad apple. Flandere Scarlett has diamond wings. Komachi usually has braids and a scythe and is seen on a boat working in the dead underworld's river. Reimu has her youkai beating stick and bows. Marisa has her broom and witch get up, etc.
If you talk about a kelptomaniac witch that shoots lazers first thing to come to mind is Marisa. A shrime maiden whose lazy but also money driven and still good at heart Reimu. Even the new touhous you got angry space mom, claymation poop artist, another foxgirl, butterfly girl, crazy backup dancers, wheelchair backdoor momma, statue doggo, blue reskinned reporter, Mike, etc.
You could probably point them out.
It's about time you make a video about this, I've been hoping you talk about this topic since I found your channel.
It was not a subject I really thought of until recently.
That explains how it maintains its popularity, and even part of how it spread to the west, but how it got big was definitely the Spellcard system. Danmaku is way less niche in the east than in the west and Touhou got its first spike from obscurity after it added that element. The music stayed largely the same but greater color variety was also added to the Danmaku in that iteration but it's the Spellcards that really stand out.
Some say that the gboiz kept touhou alive, some say the memes, some say the lewds.
But I, truly know, that Magiftw has kept it alive.
I haven't played a single Touhou game (and I probably won't because I don't wanna end up breaking my controller / keyboard or whatever magic device it needs to be played with) but I've come across the series thanks to Smooth McGroove's video and I've been in love with the music ever since.
At first I only had a short glimpse at what people recommended and, for years, stuck with U.N. Owen Was Her, Necrofantasia and Septette for the Dead Princess as the only parts of my collection.
Around fall of 2017, while at work, I remembered that I had always wanted to check out more of these games' OSTs and so I searched for a playlist that contained every song in chronological order. As soon as "A Sacred Lot" started playing, I knew I had stumbled upon something huge.
Now it's April 2020 and ever since that day more than two years ago, I have been almost exclusively listening to Touhou music. Sure, there are a couple of other decent tracks and OSTs every now and then, but it's been pretty much 95 % Touhou.
I just never get tired of it, be it the awesome originals or the amazing remixes made by fans. What started out as three random songs in my "nerd music" folder has now grown into its own collection spanning 119 songs (still growing), separated into originals, remixes, medleys and RichaadEB's Bullet Hell album (+ the tracks he made after its release).
With hundreds of hours spent listening to the music on RUclips (and seeing the great fanart accompanying it) comes the desire to know more about the games, the characters and the world they're inhabiting. So I've been reading a bunch of Wiki articles, etc., started checking out the manga series with the three fairies and I've been watching videos such as this one right here. Glad to hear ZUN enjoys the fans getting creative with his world.
tl:dr; ZUN does sound like a pretty swell guy and I'm thankful for what he created.
ZUN is without one swell dude. And thanks Smooth for being epic.
My passion for 2hu has been waning ever since Ten Desires. Whereas I used to devour anything from games, manga, music, doujins, fanfics, etc., nowadays I feel like all of those things have lost their shine. I guess that just happens when you've been around a fandom for a while.
Touhou is an open portal which draws from the spiritual power of this world while also inspiring those who love it with its addictive energy.
Touhou is about gods and youkais... they never die. They never die according to their lore and never die as a cultural phenomenon (shinto is still being a main religion in Japan nowadays)
The touhou fandom is just funny and not toxic, very hard to quit, not like undertale or anime fandoms
I started drawing touhou charas because they are so well designed
The gameplay is a big factor as well. The games are not top notch programming wise, but the concept is everything you want a satisfying danmaku game to be. The focus/unfocus is very managable and enjoyable to control, little things like the graze mechanic and deathbombing gives you the sense that you can achieve higher than just dodge all, kill all and get rewarded to give 110%. The danmaku focuses more on creative patterns than speed so precision is just as much of a factor as rection time. The games are in general not on the hardcore spectrum, opening them up to a wider audience. The still take time to beat and provide a challange for nearly everyone, but they dont push the human limit at stage 2. The power system gives some sense of progression and growth without the need for a permant upgrade system that detracts from the actual gameplay.
You list some good points there. Ones I hadn't thought of. It's just the gameplay is something I rarely hear people talking about.
Top-notch music and character designs, combined with the near lack of restrictions on making fan content. It allows for literally anything to be made, you can even make a Touhou horror fanfic and it can still be good. That is what makes people come back.
One thing that I will never get is how Nintendo passed such a big opportunity to include this series in Smash! Instead we got more FE characters and recycled content from the base game. At least we have Steve.
Touhou Shall Forever Remain Strong!!!
I agree.
The MEMEs jack!
The MEME kept it alive 🤣
3:07 Rip AM2R, Nintendo is big rude
Hold on... is Rumia drinking alcohol from the Thumbnail?
XD
Don't forget dat Touhou's popularity was rivaled to fgo/fate series these days
The concealed four season.
@Black Patchouli is what we need i hope Touhou would not been forgotten
Cool video and congrats
Thanks.
ZUN may not have anticipated Touhou Project's popularity, But All of us are happy it has come this far.
Yes we are.
@Black Patchouli is what we need Indeed
it would seem what Sakuya has gotten tired to Patchouli not doing her work right witch is the last straw so she is now "helping her " exercise she does need it
Slacker Patchouli.
I was introduced to Legacy of lunatic kingdom as a first contact with the series in 2015. Traumatic is an understatement. (Don't introduce a new person straight to Legacy or Subterranean ever). Fortunately Frontier games were there too. So i knew there are so fun games as well.
Music was the reason i'm stayed. I discovered Horned Hermit on my own. It was difficult to read Word goshintai was on second page xD Reading HH without any knowledge about shinto or touhou fun stuff. Everyone is different for me, lore and music decided that i'm here now and not somewhere else. Because of doujin works i discovered this channel.
Music is definitely a good reason to stay.
I hope touhou gets on the trending page soon or the for you page
Music
Characters
Gameplay
then Fandom has arrived od the most die hard fans
which created
Hentai
Remixes
Dojinshi works
etc.
which lead more people to it
and the circle starts again but even bigger than before
That sums it up pretty well.
Damnit ZUN, if you never created Byakuren I wouldn't have been so obsessed with this franchise.
and some good touhou game starting to enter smartphone.
(personally I'm waitting for Touhou Lost Word)
I'm not wary of these games so I'll check them out when I can.
Reasons I like touhou : cute girls, music, hentai
All good reasons XD
It shocks me that most hentai 2hu works are pedophilic(most lewd works are about characters who look like 8 year olds namely Flandre,Koishi,Remilia,Satori etc)
Most characters in 2hou look like 8 year old so it’s very normal friend
@@thedegenerateone1122 that's not the point
The abnormal thing about it is that a shit ton of people fap at Koishi hentai so fucking much in hentai sites that it enrages me since they know she looks like 8 yet they still Fap at her.
You might think "what a hypocrite, look at your pfp" Welp.. I got this pic from just typing Koishi Komeiji Ahegao I didn't search at some Doujin website
@@greggaygayakutami1402 "take it easy. It's just a drawing"
personally it's not just the characters and music, but i also ADORE the mainline games and their gameplay.
yes, a year old video, i don't care, i want to say my own opinion :(
it's just another bullet hell but i love bullet hells anyway, and touhou is in my opinion one of the best bullet hells too
touhou is great stuff like all of it realy ty zun for it creation
Thank you everyone.
_Damn, what happened to Smooth McGroove, あにら, and Yamato Damashi?_
No clue.
Touhou is a Innocent Treasure
Very true.
Because it's all mostly the work of one guy it's free from the corporate franchise-ization stuff that's turned people off of so many other properties (e.g. Star Wars). ZUN isn't under any enormous strain to "10x" the profit he makes from this year's game versus last year's the way he would be if Team Shanghai Alice was a huge corporation that has to drive profit for shareholder. Because of that there's no pressure for him to stretch Touhou into areas it may not fit into, or write or design things in way he may not be comfortable with but the marketing department said will drive more game or manga sales.
999 IQ play
Btw nice new outro
Thanks.
How Touhou Has Maintained It's Popularity Over The Years? Guys like you are the reason for me.
I'm glad to hear that.
I got into Touhou because of nhentai.net
I can see that XD
I love touhou. Also Shinki is my fav character
Glad you love the series.
@@Magiftw as do I
@Dung Tran Quang ah a man of blue hair lol jk
Ah yes touhou. The biggest thing literally no one has heard of
We have to get Reimu into Smash.
Hey magi i think i have areally interesting thing about fanon origine youmu x reisen (reimu)
Touhou is like Stalker it wont die
... Atleast not anytime soon
That's one way to put it.
Zun’s art is actually pretty good, obviously not on the level of touhou fan art but it’s still good, it’s just...the chins, god the fucking chins
**INHALES**
*H E N T A I !*
Very true.
Anyone have a link for the pic in 0:39 of Kutaka and heavy?
Wow! Where did you get your latest "Master Spark" ending shot?
And also..."Open Worlds," no matter how they manage to exist (one of mine is The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind" and it's add-ons) tend to attract followers who stay with 'em. Whether it's a game that allows players to add additional content (like Morrowind and Minecraft) or game WORLDS that allow fans to create derivative content, like Touhou, Vocaloid, and a few others.
One of my buddies made it for me, Dat Lynn.
@@Magiftw Nice!
Why? Simple.
Some people just got into it late at this quarantine, like me, i know Touhou a long time ago since JzBoy uploaded Marisa vs Asriel but i never got to it, until 2020.
I can believe that.
Ya forgot about Japanese Goblin
One word: fandom
i just watch it. here have a like!
if Zun were as strict as others like nintendo, we will not see mariari,nitroid,labyrinth of touhou, megamari, super marisa world, spring crisis, nitori inc and other cool games based on touhou. not to mention some art, arranged music, vocal tracks like something made by rd sounds, yellow Zebra, cool and create. i can only name few because i only know few but because Zun is fine about sharing is IP we have nice things up to know... and few bad things that AVGN will cover someday.
can someone link Zun social media account so i can post him thank you using google translate??
Yeah, a lot of awesome stuff wouldn't be shown if ZUN was strict.
Where can I find the Reisen pic at 0:30?
danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3869410 This is the Reisen one.
@@Magiftw Based as usual. Thanks!
Lewds are temporary wholesome ships are forever
Sup magi
Hello.
Fps. Enough said. ;)
Avoiding rain be like....
Fair enough XD
Boi this is kind of funny with deadman's plagiarism drama, that POS still somehow doesn't receive any punishment yet and people still got scammed and lied
I'm not wary of this so I can't say.
POS?
Sylvie Rose short term for piece of sh1t
No mc ronald ver
COMMENT SECTION, HEAR ME OUT!!!
Our touhou community here in Philippines is decreasing. How can I help in making it atleast retain itself?
I honestly don't know. The best advice I can think of is make content for Touhou. Fan stuff is what drove Touhou to be popular in the first place.
*insert those Kpop blaming here*
6:47 hear music play 1T's B@d AppL3
Pretty much.
5:14
*LOL* Your art sucks ZUN, but I bloody love u for making these series.
That sums it up.
To be fair, WBaWC does have decent art
One thing that must be avoided when it comes to a popular franchise. I see a Salty Undertale community always saying "Get Dunked On!" While I afraid one of Touhou community copies their behavior by saying "Za Warudo for timestop or Master Spark for Kamehameha."
za warudo is from jojo tho XD
It's the opposite, every time Jojo fanboys see Sakuya they are the one saying "If Dio was a maid", "Za Warudo!", "Dio's wife"
Hyper Vanilo you mean the jojo fanboys like it?
@@Acertaintouhoufan
Yes, go to Sakuya vs Dio comment section
We've been doing good so far. I'm sure we'll be fine.
yes.
All the yes.
like why the fuck i would like a bunch of fucking over powered girls as specially sakya which can stop time unlimited time when controlling time is my dream
Funny how Touhou’s popular is something many want to reach but looking at recent clown festa of WC3 that had high popularity because of freedom of maps and gamemodes only to be ruined by greed of literally legally stealing community contents and somehow for some god know what reason they said they wonder why they don’t have popularity like this and this applies to many clown festa of other triple A company
And they still wonder why...
RIP Warcraft 3.
Magiftw Indeed same for Fallout series by soldier “76”
REIMU FOR SMASH PLS
Let's hope so.
reimu is the only character I want in smash (besides maybe doomguy) I will die happy if she is announced
Sooo... Reimu for Smash?
#Reimu4Smash
I like that tag.
hey guys in one of magiftw's videos i saw a picture of kosuzu reacting to a hentai doujin about herself can you tell me which video was it please?
I don't remember where it was from.
@@Magiftw i think it was from one of your interesting touhou facts videos
found it it was number 29 i rememberd it wrong it's not a hentai doujin she's looking at but a beach ad whatever with her face on one of the pictures
>doesn't like og sakuya
come on man!
The intro song pls :3
SWR Pre-Battle Theme- Argue for and Against
@@Magiftw Thank you! :3
child imagery
Also, waifus
ohhhh
Ah.
Wher ronal