KENNY BEATS - HOW YOUR 808 & KICK HIT TOGETHER & SUBTRACTIVE EQ 🔥🔥
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Be careful cutting out too many of the peaks, they make up the actual character of the sound. Quality cuts over quantity of cuts for subtractive EQ.
This comment. Really started getting into a habit of using subtractive EQ but learned the hard way when you overdo it. Precision, necessity and accuracy is key.
shut up man lol
@@TheRealRedWolf and if you're able to choose sounds, like for example if you are the producer and you choose the sounds, your actual sound selection process will make the whole EQ situation that much more ideal due to the fact that if you are choosing the correct sounds, the amount of EQ you will have to do later on is incredibly miniscule. I find that I typically only need one or 2 main cuts to achieve the results I need. usually one of the lower, main peak harmonics, and then a higher peak frequency resonance if it happens to be present. but frequencies that more definitely characterize the sound i do leave in place, because that's the reason you chose the sound in the first place ... because of how it sounded!
Absolutely. Many go sweeping for resonances, but then you will find resonances which aren't actually issues. You need to know which frequency you want to cut before touching the eq. Sweeping is good for precision, but you need to have known the frequency was a problem first.
Sometimes its even better to just straight up change whatever preset ur using. Especially if this typa stuff happens with a bell, its hard to make it clean AND loud at the same time
Kenny always gives the most accessible and useful production tips. The advice he gives has been said by the pros for years and subtractive eq never been easier to understand than when kenny explains it. Also, fabfilter has a great eq but this advice can be used on any eq effect. Love u fliko
great explanation for why it's important to handle resonant frequencies and carve spaces within your mix for different instruments. I didn't know about that feature in ProQ where you can click the resonant frequencies and automatically create a bell curve, that's awesome. I would add that it's definitely important to constantly A/B your cuts and make sure that you're not removing too much from your sound as you go. A lot of frequencies are gonna sound bad if you're isolating such a narrow band and listening too long, and if you do too much corrective eq you can really start to suffocate and/or muffle your sound. make sure you're grabbing frequencies that really do seem to stand out and are causing issues and keep double checking with the original sound so that you aren't starting to make the sound worse. This is a critical tool, it's amazing how much more natural and even a sound can become if you handle these resonant frequencies, especially on sounds that have been recorded on a microphone in a room. you're gonna do yourself so many favors as you add effects like compression and limiting later on in the mix.
so nice that he makes these vids cause like, theres a lot of people making production tips vids without any credentials and giving out trash advice.
Recording live bands the kick drum is always hitting at the same time as the bass guitar. Back in the 90s we didn't track everything by itself we would record bass and drums and then track guitars and vocals.
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Chasing down frequencies with EQ that are masking other important sounds really does clean up mixes. Panning tracks more across the stereo field also helps for higher frequencies.
soothe2 for resonating frequencies and soothe2 in side chain mode - all problems solved!
I won soothe 2 in one of his beat battles its amazing
@@micahpediford lucky!!
@@micahpediford Yep. Total cheat code! Specially in sidechain mode, you can use it like trackspacer.
Soothe doesn't have enough control of attack and release to get a smoothe sub alignment. I recommend to check Baphometrix' video about sidechaining kick and bass
@@АлександрКузин-з6б Hmm.. it literally cuts out the exact shape of the kick. So i dont know what ur talking about.
Kenny is a game changer :) he really wanna help other people who struggle with this shit :D
love kenny talkin about hard hitting 808s with the cutest xylofone in front of him
Someone said “think of how an orchestra is assembled” yes! Great advice.. you’ll nvr see all the musicians sitting in one place .. they’re positioned in different areas to help hear one another better.
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Kenny I’m checking you for all my production for now on 😎. I love it.
Please upload more content like this! This was amazing 🙌🏾
One thing I do is EQ all the low end I don’t need from every sound very quickly through the little EQ at the bottom of the plugin rack in the FL studio mixer. I also cut out unnecessary highs from my 808s and any frequencies at 30hz or less since it gets muddy when you cut out the highs and our ears can’t hear frequencies that low anyways.
Be careful doing this. You can unintentionally lose a lot of the body of your mixes that way.
@@nicholasriley4729 true, I do it most times but if it sounds like I’m losing body then I cut out less frequencies.
Also just because we can’t technically hear lower than 30hz, it still effects the character of the frequencies u can hear. Sometimes you’ll lose the thump when u don’t allow anything lower than 30hz
@@JohnDoe-bp5js true there're been times where just eqing the sub differently changed a lot the tone of the track
Super inspirational! Makes me want to get in a session and start eqing
kenny is the best
great vid! 👀
Dude this great info THANKS I struggled with the sidechain issue and felt like I didnt need it at all good to see I was going in the right direction
This is the best explanation I have seen yet for Eq
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Clipping your 808 and kick together is also another interesting way to do things. E.g. In Ableton, put your kick and 808 tracks in a group, use glue compressor (or your favorite clipper) on this group with the soft clipping active (also activate the side chain but don't give it an input so that the compressor is inactive but you still get the clipper), and drive the glue compressor till it clips, and adjust the levels of the kick and 808 going into the group with the glue comp to taste. :)
kenny said never sidechain your 808s
@@austinsch321 This isn't sidechaining. You are clipping the signal together. The distortion can glue them together really nicely, it can make for a very aggressive sound.
@@austinsch321 First thing he said in the video you are literally commenting under is that its ok to sidechain your kick to your 808
@@asher5629 also works with gentle sounds😌
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This is actually fire. I've been high passing everything except kick and bass forever but hadn't thought about how other peaks in the mix can be harsh and compete with the drums for presence.
Just stumbled on your channel, I’m 7 days late since you dropped this video, funny thing tho I encountered and experienced most of what you covered last night in the lab. Haven’t tackled some of the problems yet. However tryna brainstorm thru it, your video just help me understand the approach a lot better. Still got a way to go. Thanks 🙏🏾
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careful highpassing your sounds, you can introduce phase shifts/ringing which can really hurt your sound, not too mention you can "cut the balls off" your sounds, making them sound thin and week. only cut things if you're having issues! never do it by default.
Exactly. There’s so many idiots online recommending people highpass everything. What a stupid idea lmao
Great video thanks for sharing it
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Duplicating the same audio and panning them left and right doesn't do much but create phasing issues..The technique works better when both sounds are the same but have slightly different wave forms. For example if you want wide guitars you would record two instances of the same riff etc and then pan them left and right. This also works with vocal layers. This way you have slightly different wave forms and you can clearly hear the separation.
it does precisely nothing except make it louder with the default pan law in most daws
thats why he pitched it an octave
I didn't touch sidechain for 10 years and it's been fine. Recently I do sidechain bass bit if you wanna edit notes on the off beat you won't hear it.
I use EQ on all of my tracks but the one I use is EQUO (stock eq from fl iykyk) and kenny made me realise how useful the fabfilter is lol
Kicks with little to no tail can blend well with the 808 without sidechaining provided they are in the same key.
pro q3 is the best eq plugin
Kenny and others don't have to low cutting with almost brickwall slope. If you don't wanna have resonances on band frequency (and i think you don't) you should use less steeper slopes, 12db/oct or 24
Thanks bro. Great vid.
Thanks Professor Kenny :)
I find leveling all of my sounds to about 12-18db on the meter helps before I start using Eq etc.
Gemz!!!!!
I like it when Kenny tells me off
Love it ! Thank YOU
He’s such a damn good teacher
very true
thank u kenneth !
been doing this for years, pro q3 ftw !!!
you gotta be careful with panning if your stuff gets played at a club. Found that out the hard way 😂
Wow thank u king
Oh damn I usually use Para EQ 2 in most cases but freezing frequency in Fab changed the game! Never looking back
Para eq 2 with time smoothing is similar
@@yogicbeats i can't find how to enable this
edit - ah it's in the updated version. welp lol
@@corneliusrawness if you want a similar effect you can go into pro q and right click the band and click “make dynamic”
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I stop sidechaining a lot but I feel it has its place. And my EQ ing has become obsessive lmao 🤣 smh
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i always eq in all of my sounds so yeah
Yall should watch some monte booker stuff he talks about this a lot
This are some real basics , but ive heard a Lot of These frequency Problems in Beats .
Learn the basics Guys !
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I've seen so much about eq ing but I feel like I finally get it here
to mortojyne at 1:00. Bro you aint dealing with the producer, the producer is dealing with you💀He wouldn't need to quantize your vocals in the first place if you got your flow right, aint a productive studio session if you keep fuckin it up and retaking when the real bang for your buck is in the post processing of the final track💀
Facts I saw that and thought the same thing
super helpful!!! thank you !!!!
deadman talked about it really well, but a kick is not meant to be in the same space as a bass. what makes a kick a kick is the punchiness of it, and the punchiness mainly resides in everything after I would say 90hz, so the key is absolutely not mixing but SOUND SELECTION. you need to pick kicks that are punchier and, sometimes we be greedy and we want the kick to be fat as hell lol but the kick doesn't need all that low-end. It's just sound selection and understanding what place the kick holds in your mix.
Definitely depends on genre, a kick can be really subby if it's done as an artistic choice and still sound good. I mostly agree though!
@@4bidn1 yes, i agree, some genre have some kicks that are subby as hell, what il trying to say is everything needs to be at his place!
Could post that hard kick
what you mean you don’t need a quic👀
liek wonda gurl said, just turn em up. its that simple lol.
It's crazy that people weren't doing this before 💀
JUST SIDECHAIN IT
Question to the comment section: do i have to cut the 20hz area from the 808? Bc when i do that my 808 turns louder in the meters but it sounds the same volume as before.
I feel like people want to be producers but not know anything about "music theory" (idk if you can call this shit even theory, for me it's basic logic) or what the plugins they use & see from tutorials even do
one tip ill give you boys tho: go nuts with cleaning up on the EQ, but dont cut the sauce out, sometimes you need to leave some of the dirt in.
shelfs are great for that
also I'm not quite sure that eq'ing out the fundamental AND the overtones is a good general tip -you're probably sacrificing melodic clarity for "avoiding resonance".
@@machinate i think this advice is geared more towards ppl who have no idea how to EQ and have never done it before. once you start messing around with what kenny explained you realize what you're actually doing to your sounds and you'll develop an ear for it. then you can start to make more conscious decisions about when and when not to cut shit out.
but if you're at square one and never use EQs and all your tracks sit in the middle then this is great starting advice.
@@machinate agree with pasta here, its a good starting point. I think kenny showed a pretty good example there with cutting those lows, but i do feel ya in a way, like my original coment said, sometimes you cut too much high mid low end and the track just loses its charm. Gotta keep an eye on the whole picture when EQing something cause every frequency affects eachother
@@bfirme this is the way.
The problem is home producers all get their info from the EDM scene
It's an issue of headroom. Nothing wrong with sidechaining or not - but if you don't you will have less headroom.
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Does Kenny substracts his hat sometimes ? or is it sinechained to his head ?
Does he get paid for production or to mix?
that's not how pro-Q3 or other spectrum analyzers or filters work - When he solos the band you see two solid lines and he thinks he is just isolating that. That's just the crossover point. What he is soloing extends far to either side of those vertical lines. he's just hearing the filtered first harmonic that exists beyond the band that he thinks he is completely isolating. There isn't shit down there. you could dump in a pure sine wave at 110 Hz and it will look like there is something down at 80 on the spectrogram. This is because the FFT bins have overlap! additionally - he's phase shifting the harmonics and that guitar with such a steep filter coming up so close to it. Does it matter? Sometimes Yes actually. if you do that to an instrument, especially with reverb printed on it, you make the reverb sound less real and you push it back in the mix. This is because we perceive sound spatially on the z plane based off of how phase consistent its harmonic series is to itself. When A sound is far away it bounces off a bunch of Points which create a phase shift at the time it hits our ears. Is he thinking about that? He doesn't throw out any caveats.
This took me 8 years to figure out lol. 808s used to be the death of me
Cus used to say “never sidechain the kick” lmao. Sometimes a ducker is good bruh.
What's the name of the midi controller on his desk? Looks like a xylophone
was this from yesterdays stream?
Anybody know what kick he's using?
early gang
Literally trying to learn how to mix right but this one video summed up alottttt this shit amazing
Another option! Just use another kick, you should have many to choose from
Eq for fixing factz
so if i have a low freq piano sample and i want it to hit w my bass is there a way i can blend them or make them both stand out yanno,
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Goodluck with that
to this day tho, I don't understand ppl cutting highs on like kicks or 808s... you'll see ZERO frequency information on their parametric eq in the region they cut. if I drag a knife thru thin air, did I change anything?
If it sounds good it sounds good. Even after his rant I still don’t understand why Kenny’s turned off by sidechain so much lol
Because sidechaining is a temporary solution. It’s not really gonna be helpful to you down the road if you continue to ignore fundamentals in favor of the “easy way”
Did you watch the beginning? Sidchaining is fine. Saying you must sidechain the kick to the 808 or the 808 to the kick to make your beats hit isn´t fine.
It also sounds really bad most of the time to me, especially when people start sidechaining the melodies/sample with the kick. People do it just out of laziness half the time cause they don't want to mix
@@viggofagerstrom9262 I guess it frustrates me that he over complicated his point and made it a bigger problem than it actually is. His argument is basically “sidechaining is cringe only when it’s cringe but isn’t cringe when it’s not.”
It’s a matter of taste and circumstance, we can all agree on that. Anything can be allowed when the situation calls for it. The end product is what matters. Does the end product sound good? That’s the only thing we should be focusing on.
kick is called Dubai shit. But where can I find it?
“Dubai Shit” Kick is in OZ’s Sicko Kit
ok cool this is like half the yt videos about eqing but learned nothing about blend kick and 808 without sidechaining, does Kenny wants to keep his secret tip ? cause he doesn't spread any remarquable knowledge here
Some good advice, some bad
soothe would be great on this sample, highly recommend, great plugin
to be honest this title should just be "how to subtractive eq" the 808 thing was p much just setting up context for why you would want to eq out sounds