I need to make it very clear. This is not a FW vs Consultant Crew battle, this isn't to hate on anyone including the devs. I just want to lay down more context on everything, give me honest thoughts, and share all perspectives while giving a potential solution to the issues at hand! I personally think the biggest issue was this being announced especially the way it was done, but it just might be growing pains. Let's see what the future holds!
The Fog Whisperers and Consultants are different roles and provide feedback on different things. There's no reason to say that the existence of consultants means other feedback isn't valued. Most people leaving feedback aren't paid (FWs, forums, reddit), but it doesn't mean it's pointless. The consultants seem to just be a way to get some feedback on non-public things from people outside of their offices. It's a paid position where Behavior tells them exactly what to test and what to give feedback on. They probably play new killers before the PTB and obviously can't turn this into content. The revelation of these consultants shouldn't stop you from giving feedback. During the PTB and after, the Fog Whisperer and forum feedback is probably more valued than the consultant feedback. Within Behavior, they have a lot of full-time employees and they all have their differing opinions and feedback. Knowing they've hired a few 10 hour a week workers shouldn't change anything. There are probably more full-time employees than Consultants that do a similar thing. The regular employees are in the credits and now these Consultants can be recognized if they want.
FGs ARE the consultants to us casuals. That's where we get all the news, leaks, incoming info condensed into a quick and easy to consume format. And you guys do this for (practically) free. FWs deserve more for what they've given to BHVR in time, effort, and honest feedback.
OTZ probably wouldn't take the position even if they invited him. He used to give feedback to them all the time. Biggest content creator in DBD.... He got tired of being ignored and now doesnt really even make videos giving feedback or talking about the issues anymore. I dont always agree with otz but he has some really good ideas so it was sad to see him stop giving that feedback. If he cant get through to BHVR then what chance do we have?
I think the biggest problem is that Dead By Daylight themselves did not release any type of Public Relations Post to announce the public arrival of the Consultant Program. They let the members announce themselves, which lead to a lot of misinformation/assumptions/speculations being made by the community. There was no official announcement outlining details and answering questions that the community had in the confusion of obtaining such information. Like that is Public Relations 101. The members should not have come forward until BHVR made an official announcement themselves. But at the same time, I think people are drastically overestimating the consultant program. They are Play Testers with a unique group name. Just because they provide feedback doesnt mean change will happen, and sometimes change might happen. But anyone who is familiar with corporate level decision making, knows that majority of things theyre testing are likely already being pushed through due to time/money spent developing such things. At the end of the day the consultants are still under NDA, we will never know what they have or have not worked on or advocated for or against. But blaming them for what is ultimately out of their hands, is crazy.
100%, I think something happened along the way, weather it was miscommunication, maybe a greenlight that they didnt expect to have backlash, or if someone got their charm and said it when they weren't suppose to or were under the impression they had a greenlight. Either way, you're right it leads to a lot of speculation and misinfo which isn't really the best feeling for anyone.
I think FW opinions on the PTB and live game are listened to, but the consultants are involved before then and their feedbacks shapes the changes we see at that point.
I like how you came at this king, you seem to want peace and to be fair 😎👌👏 people do have a right to theirnown opinion no matter whether people agree or not, seeing this shows you are an adult. Appreciate you bro. I do see how people could get their feeling hurt here but in the end dbd can do and choose who they want, even if it is confusing to all of us in the community 🤷♂️
I just hope they looked to Fog Whisperers to be consultants, first I get that Fog Whisperers and Private Consultants are different, but why not just make them do the same thing? The people who know this game the most AND want this game to succeed the most ARE the Fog Whisperers
Because FW are their free promo CCs. Marked by BHVR. BHVR just use them to promote new skins, DLCs, etc. Some of them only in FW program because of woke trends, let's be real. It's extra points for company. This may sound very cynical, but it is true.
I was watching Otz live stream today and people were asking about spooky. I was so confused bc I don’t play dbd much anymore but I watch the creators like you , otz, spooky, diva etc occasionally. I don’t have twitter so I literally had no idea all this was happening. I appreciate you stating what the hell is happening. I completely get why spooky decided out of the FW program.
Im gonna go in the assumption that consultants get opportunity to playtest before ptb is made. Then we as a community give our feedback once the devs figured out what should be in the ptb based some of the feedback from consultants. We all play some part in this i believe.
Who came out as a consultant, and how is that confirmed? I could declare myself a consultant, but that doesn't make it true. But I am curious who the consultants are.
I'm really confused on why some people seem to have an issue with this. The entire fog whisperer program is about rewarding content creators with codes to give away etc; they never mentioned anything ever about fog whisperers being able to give game feedback and balance changes
Which is why it confuses me when ppl like spooks who says he feels ignored yet you literally just got twitch shirt codes to give to other content creators. Making your position feel even more fulfilling as a fog whisperer. So like what else is needed for him?
@@Blackvoid2me Did you not watch the video? King literally said they have a private chat or channel where the devs asked about game feedback. Of course they would feel angry if they are ignored. Just because the job description doesn't say 'give us feedback' it doesn't mean they don't or can't. It's not black and white. Sorry if this sounded like a rant, it just feels like you either didn't listen or didn't watch the video.
I agree it’s time to clean House and clean up FW program, as for the consultans that program have been there since release, they were just not public, and they should never have went public with this imo
them shownig everyone that this is a thing is showing that fog whisperers is just publicity. And i think most people already think that the devs don't listen to the consultants either. Sucks that they're just basically saying the fog whisperers are just publicity and nothing more.
What you guys are not understanding is that the developer team has gone through evolutions quite a bit the last few years. A lot of these things were just left over stuff that was put in place by previous teams and it sounded like a good idea at the time. Now we flash forward to the current development team and they look at that stuff and go wait we need to get rid of this old stuff and create something that actually works. Let them do things the way they want.
My thing is why would you go forward with this program and not at least extend the opportunity to the people you have hand picked to be "the faces" to promote your game? Like the FW have hundreds, if not thousands of hours in this game, and play it for a living, yet they weren't even offered to be a part of this? It's just a slap in the face. I completely understand why some FW are upset.
I'm gonna be extremely blunt here. Welcome to big business, sorry you feel like you got cheated as that's extremely understandable but don't pretend like you didn't get any benefits from being a fog whisperer either. you still got free bloodpoint codes and early access to dlc codes no one else in the community got for being free publicity. At the end of the day I'm not saying it wasn't misleading because it 100% but I am calling it what it is point blank entitlement because once again fog whisperers got free guaranteed incentives to do nothing but play their game. It frustrates me that multiple fog whisperers are outraged acting like they didn't get anything for their time and we're used.
Not the point I was making at all in the video. I never once said I got no benefit from being a FW. The main point I made in this video is the public announcement of the CC was a bad idea, and is a PR disaster no matter what way you look at it. I also am just trying to give more context on why so many FWs felt the way they did, because everything was in a grey area and share what goes on internally that isn't seen, since I have the ability to do so. We were asked for feedback on things, there were sections to give feedback, so to see something like this makes it pretty clear that all the time that feedback was more then likely not acknowledged, especially when we've been saying out feedback isn't being heard. If most of us knew this prior, we wouldn't of spent so much time giving feedback knowing there are others that are meant to do that job, it would just be a waste of time. So it's not a boo hoo I didn't get picked, it's more so why waste everyone's time? You're welcome to feel the way you want, but at the very least I hope you can see it from another perspective.
This game is gonna be Dead C crew Should not be included either when Fog Whisperer program and they are gonna make it a Joke about it and They are making It worse when twins ptb 90% Waste of Reverted changes to it and they making terrible Choices and they didn't ask community about it yeah the Game is gonna Be dead Soon.
Sounds like fog whispers were the original, but they didn't like some of them for whatever reason. So this is the workaround because removing the title is a bit mean.
why you all streamers play so dirty and try hard? like wow, just play the game like a horror game,is not a competitive title to start with,it's a party game but you streamers are just down nasty and unfun .I.
I need to make it very clear. This is not a FW vs Consultant Crew battle, this isn't to hate on anyone including the devs. I just want to lay down more context on everything, give me honest thoughts, and share all perspectives while giving a potential solution to the issues at hand! I personally think the biggest issue was this being announced especially the way it was done, but it just might be growing pains. Let's see what the future holds!
The Fog Whisperers and Consultants are different roles and provide feedback on different things. There's no reason to say that the existence of consultants means other feedback isn't valued. Most people leaving feedback aren't paid (FWs, forums, reddit), but it doesn't mean it's pointless.
The consultants seem to just be a way to get some feedback on non-public things from people outside of their offices. It's a paid position where Behavior tells them exactly what to test and what to give feedback on. They probably play new killers before the PTB and obviously can't turn this into content. The revelation of these consultants shouldn't stop you from giving feedback. During the PTB and after, the Fog Whisperer and forum feedback is probably more valued than the consultant feedback.
Within Behavior, they have a lot of full-time employees and they all have their differing opinions and feedback. Knowing they've hired a few 10 hour a week workers shouldn't change anything. There are probably more full-time employees than Consultants that do a similar thing. The regular employees are in the credits and now these Consultants can be recognized if they want.
FGs ARE the consultants to us casuals. That's where we get all the news, leaks, incoming info condensed into a quick and easy to consume format. And you guys do this for (practically) free. FWs deserve more for what they've given to BHVR in time, effort, and honest feedback.
If Otz isn’t a consultant, then that would be the biggest fumble in DBD history
I agree
OTZ probably wouldn't take the position even if they invited him. He used to give feedback to them all the time. Biggest content creator in DBD.... He got tired of being ignored and now doesnt really even make videos giving feedback or talking about the issues anymore. I dont always agree with otz but he has some really good ideas so it was sad to see him stop giving that feedback. If he cant get through to BHVR then what chance do we have?
@@ronjohnson2760so true
Otz 👎😿👶
Ah I understand it’s Fog Whispers vs Consultants. Thanks for your help!
I think the biggest problem is that Dead By Daylight themselves did not release any type of Public Relations Post to announce the public arrival of the Consultant Program. They let the members announce themselves, which lead to a lot of misinformation/assumptions/speculations being made by the community. There was no official announcement outlining details and answering questions that the community had in the confusion of obtaining such information. Like that is Public Relations 101. The members should not have come forward until BHVR made an official announcement themselves. But at the same time, I think people are drastically overestimating the consultant program. They are Play Testers with a unique group name. Just because they provide feedback doesnt mean change will happen, and sometimes change might happen. But anyone who is familiar with corporate level decision making, knows that majority of things theyre testing are likely already being pushed through due to time/money spent developing such things. At the end of the day the consultants are still under NDA, we will never know what they have or have not worked on or advocated for or against. But blaming them for what is ultimately out of their hands, is crazy.
100%, I think something happened along the way, weather it was miscommunication, maybe a greenlight that they didnt expect to have backlash, or if someone got their charm and said it when they weren't suppose to or were under the impression they had a greenlight. Either way, you're right it leads to a lot of speculation and misinfo which isn't really the best feeling for anyone.
I think FW opinions on the PTB and live game are listened to, but the consultants are involved before then and their feedbacks shapes the changes we see at that point.
I like how you came at this king, you seem to want peace and to be fair 😎👌👏 people do have a right to theirnown opinion no matter whether people agree or not, seeing this shows you are an adult. Appreciate you bro. I do see how people could get their feeling hurt here but in the end dbd can do and choose who they want, even if it is confusing to all of us in the community 🤷♂️
THANK YOU, King!!! Thank you for saying that about the ones that don’t even touch DBD anymore.
I just hope they looked to Fog Whisperers to be consultants, first
I get that Fog Whisperers and Private Consultants are different, but why not just make them do the same thing?
The people who know this game the most AND want this game to succeed the most ARE the Fog Whisperers
Because FW are their free promo CCs. Marked by BHVR. BHVR just use them to promote new skins, DLCs, etc. Some of them only in FW program because of woke trends, let's be real. It's extra points for company. This may sound very cynical, but it is true.
I was watching Otz live stream today and people were asking about spooky. I was so confused bc I don’t play dbd much anymore but I watch the creators like you , otz, spooky, diva etc occasionally. I don’t have twitter so I literally had no idea all this was happening. I appreciate you stating what the hell is happening. I completely get why spooky decided out of the FW program.
Im gonna go in the assumption that consultants get opportunity to playtest before ptb is made. Then we as a community give our feedback once the devs figured out what should be in the ptb based some of the feedback from consultants. We all play some part in this i believe.
Idk why people are giving so much flak to fog whisperers
Much love, King. 🙏 Stay safe in the Fog, my friend.
Who came out as a consultant, and how is that confirmed? I could declare myself a consultant, but that doesn't make it true. But I am curious who the consultants are.
I'm really confused on why some people seem to have an issue with this. The entire fog whisperer program is about rewarding content creators with codes to give away etc; they never mentioned anything ever about fog whisperers being able to give game feedback and balance changes
Which is why it confuses me when ppl like spooks who says he feels ignored yet you literally just got twitch shirt codes to give to other content creators. Making your position feel even more fulfilling as a fog whisperer. So like what else is needed for him?
@@Blackvoid2me Did you not watch the video? King literally said they have a private chat or channel where the devs asked about game feedback. Of course they would feel angry if they are ignored. Just because the job description doesn't say 'give us feedback' it doesn't mean they don't or can't. It's not black and white. Sorry if this sounded like a rant, it just feels like you either didn't listen or didn't watch the video.
@@Nipzo_Ozpin And they put out feedback forms where anyone can give feedback - that doesn't mean we're entitled to have it added lol
I agree it’s time to clean House and clean up FW program, as for the consultans that program have been there since release, they were just not public, and they should never have went public with this imo
Thank you King for reminding me that I should grind the rift for the rewards.
them shownig everyone that this is a thing is showing that fog whisperers is just publicity. And i think most people already think that the devs don't listen to the consultants either. Sucks that they're just basically saying the fog whisperers are just publicity and nothing more.
What you guys are not understanding is that the developer team has gone through evolutions quite a bit the last few years. A lot of these things were just left over stuff that was put in place by previous teams and it sounded like a good idea at the time. Now we flash forward to the current development team and they look at that stuff and go wait we need to get rid of this old stuff and create something that actually works. Let them do things the way they want.
My thing is why would you go forward with this program and not at least extend the opportunity to the people you have hand picked to be "the faces" to promote your game? Like the FW have hundreds, if not thousands of hours in this game, and play it for a living, yet they weren't even offered to be a part of this? It's just a slap in the face. I completely understand why some FW are upset.
I'm gonna be extremely blunt here. Welcome to big business, sorry you feel like you got cheated as that's extremely understandable but don't pretend like you didn't get any benefits from being a fog whisperer either. you still got free bloodpoint codes and early access to dlc codes no one else in the community got for being free publicity. At the end of the day I'm not saying it wasn't misleading because it 100% but I am calling it what it is point blank entitlement because once again fog whisperers got free guaranteed incentives to do nothing but play their game. It frustrates me that multiple fog whisperers are outraged acting like they didn't get anything for their time and we're used.
Not the point I was making at all in the video. I never once said I got no benefit from being a FW. The main point I made in this video is the public announcement of the CC was a bad idea, and is a PR disaster no matter what way you look at it.
I also am just trying to give more context on why so many FWs felt the way they did, because everything was in a grey area and share what goes on internally that isn't seen, since I have the ability to do so. We were asked for feedback on things, there were sections to give feedback, so to see something like this makes it pretty clear that all the time that feedback was more then likely not acknowledged, especially when we've been saying out feedback isn't being heard. If most of us knew this prior, we wouldn't of spent so much time giving feedback knowing there are others that are meant to do that job, it would just be a waste of time. So it's not a boo hoo I didn't get picked, it's more so why waste everyone's time? You're welcome to feel the way you want, but at the very least I hope you can see it from another perspective.
This game is gonna be Dead C crew Should not be included either when Fog Whisperer program and they are gonna make it a Joke about it and They are making It worse when twins ptb 90% Waste of Reverted changes to it and they making terrible Choices and they didn't ask community about it yeah the Game is gonna Be dead Soon.
Behavior always just SHOOTS themselves in the face.
They were doing so well last week during Vecna ptb and anniversary stream. Such a bummer.
Sounds like fog whispers were the original, but they didn't like some of them for whatever reason. So this is the workaround because removing the title is a bit mean.
why you all streamers play so dirty and try hard? like wow, just play the game like a horror game,is not a competitive title to start with,it's a party game but you streamers are just down nasty and unfun .I.
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What did you snort before writing this? 🤣
@@extrashotofespresso_ copium
Ur right This game doesn’t even have real comp lol
Fog Whisperer: SHILL. Consultants: PAID survivor mains because killers get fucked every patch.