These sorts of videos are likely to become more common as cars start to ship as all one model, and you subscribe to the features you want instead of buying them once. People have already started talking about simply rewiring BMW heated seats with $20 of parts so they can avoid paying hundreds of dollars per year. Next BMW will probably have the control module test the resistance on the outputs and refuse to engage the starter motor if the seat heaters aren't within the specified range. Then people will add a resistor to fake it. Then BMW will include a 1 wire chip with a serial number inside the seat tied into the heater itself and check the serial numbers of the seat heaters match the controller and car. Because car manufacturers all think Apple are a good example to follow, apparently.
All very likely. Dashboard saying "Engine disabled, safety mode engaged... aftermarket component detected" followed by the car reporting your subscription number and location.
I've kind of decided my next car will be another fuel car, but the one after that will be electric, and I'll probably have to build the damn thing myself to get a car I actually own, control, and enjoy.
It'll probably never get further than the first "unauthorised aftermarket modification" detection before the car auto locks and drives itself back to the finance lender for confiscation. 😂
@@Broken_Yugo just in case you weren't aware. The people who run everything are not secretive about their plan for you not to own anything, never mind a car of any propulsion.
Clive, have you ever tried 'ChipQuik Alloy'? It's an alloy solder than turns the solder in a joint (or more importantly, all the joints on a single chip, or in your case a can) into a very low melting point solder. It then retains the heat long enough to heat them one at a time quickly and have them all remain molten long enough to remove the chip in one fell swoop. Good stuff! It's only disadvantage is the need to solder-wick the pad or thru-hole thoroughly so as to return the joints to the same melting point (preventing components from falling off in a high temp circuit). It's not cheap, but one only does this task seldomly anyway, so the tube of a dozen or so sticks (like 6-8" lengths of solder) I bought 7-8 years ago is still 3/4 full. 🤔
That green capacitor at the input is a transient supressor, typically around 50V, there to clamp any load dump spikes to a safe level, and if prolonged to blow the AC control fuse, so that the unit is protected against failing. Very common on automotive electronics, as part of getting it certified is that it has to survive a load dump transient, reverse voltage and double battery voltage boost, without failure, though blowing a fuse is permitted. So the big beefy VDR to clamp voltage to a safe level, the diode to protect against reverse polarity, and the capacitors rated for 35V on the input, along with 60V rated transistors. Load dump is when the battery is disconnected with a running engine, and the voltage ramps up rapidly, because the battery is no longer there to act as a near infinite charge sink, before the alternator voltage regulator (either built in or via the ECU, depending on the vehicle) can react to reduce it to a safer level. Alternators typically have built in protection against it rising too high, by having the rectifier diodes be designed with a low roughly controlled breakdown voltage, around 40 to 70V, so that they will limit the voltage that the alternator can develop with no load on it.
Btw, the 2x 2R resistors add negative feedback based on transformer current. As the current increase, so does the voltage over the 2x 2R resistors, reducing the voltage between base and emitter, forcing the transitor into the linear region where it isn't on hard. It becomes a crude current regulator.
2:08 to be pedantic, normally equipment like this typically is tied into the body control module ("BCM") rather than the engine controls. Both engine controls and body controls will use CANBUS, but which control module is especially listening and/or addressing a given component will usually depend on the duties of the system. Some manufacturers will even operate more than one bus, with engine controls on one and body controls on the other, which the BCM itself acting as a gatekeeper relaying or not information as it's relevant across buses. If Kia uses a separate bus for the body functions than the powertrain functions, then likely the BCM wouldn't relay this data on to the PCM's bus.
Ancillary modules like this rarely use CAN unless there is a functional need (data speed or bandwidth) instead using a single wire serial interface such as LIN or more recently SENT protocol. There are still instances of very basic feedback using PWM or some form of heartbeat style square wave but these tend to be higher integrity systems such as SRS.
I recently ripped out the ioniser cabin filter of my 25 year old nissan, it was absolutely blocked with what I can only assume was diesel particulates and dust to the point the vent fan did nothing. It was grim. Does make you realise how much crap there is floating around in the air. Also the area around the ionizer was coated in black dust too. So they do work well.
You would think since the PCB designer had fun making the elaborate silkscreen drawing for the transformer that it started out being a "naked" device, which they decided to pot later for reliability.
The potting not only helps with HT insulation but makes the module very robust against the vibration of the "Sportage" as it traverse smooth tar roads around school as Mum goes on the sidewalk to pick her little munchkin up RIGHT in front of the gate because his legs hasn't been potted and will fall off if he walks a bit too far... 🤔🤣
I don't really have anything useful to add, I"m just excited to see Clive's subscriber count climb closer to 1 million. One of the few youtube channels I watch everything that is uploaded.
If its upstream of the evaporator it would be quite useful indeed since those usually get pretty nasty after a while due to all the moisture. Would help keep the musties away.
Found the following in a Kia car manual The cluster ionizer helps to clean up odors in the vehicle or from the air-conditioner system. When the ignition switch ON, the inoizer runs a "CLEAN" mode and then a "ION" mode, switching every about 15 minutes. In the “CLEAN” mode, the cluster ionizer generates negative and positive ions to help clean smells from the air In the "ION" mode, the cluster generates negative ions and cleans inside air of a vehicle.
I've solved this by getting a Alibaba ozone generator and aquarium pump to pump ozone laden air from outside to the insides of the dryer via a small diameter silicone tube.
Note the reason why the primary can only couple to the feedback for a limited length of time is due to core saturation. There are only so many magnetic particles in the core. Once they're all aligned to the magnetic field generated by the primary, the field can't increase any further. Induction only works, when there's a change in flux (magnetic field) over time. Once the core is saturated, there will be no longer be any change in flux, hence why the voltage at the feedback winding falls, to the point of turning the transistor off.
Ebay has had little modules you just plug into the cigarette lightter ports and it creates a bit of ozone via a HV bulb. Lots of them are fakes though, so it's 50/50 if you get a real generator or just a blue LED in the same housing.
I do love modern stuff, you have air con then you need an ioniser to keep it smelling nice. No wonder cars keep going up in price. The old sun roof seems to have disappeared.
That's amazing.......❤ Just watch this at 12:30..... more or less straight after the live stream and you've already had 665 views on this video.... Love the content, Clive I'm sure you'll keep them coming...😊
No idea where your fascination for those devices comes from, but it being a topic i never thought about before, i have learned so much from the BigClivesplanations of how these work and the pros and cons and the dangers of the knockoffs, on top of all the other electronics knowledge you scatter amongst the eager brains, certainly a treasure you are to all of us (even if im temporarily deaf from the crackles in my headphones 😅)
A quick question about your schematic drawings: Do you make multiple attempts to fit everything on the page so well or has it become second nature? First time I started watching your videos I said "I can draw circuits like that" but soon realised I couldn't after a couple of hopeless scribbles! It's not easy, but much appreciated by your viewers!
Might be usable for a miniature Pauling Furnace ? A couple of PV cells dedicated to running a few of these along with an appropriate storage bank and you have a miniature nitric acid factory that works off grid . Just the thing for whatever the hell you may need nitric acid for . I don't judge ...
It's refreshing to hear someone else pronounce Sportage properly. Most Seppos pronounce it the other way. (Hell, I know people from Detroit who can't even pronounce Chevy properly.)
When I bought my 2017 Kia Sportage, all variants except one came with "Dual Automatic Air conditioning with Ioniser". Only the lowest spec "1" came with "Air Conditioning".
Gee u put some time into these fantastic break down cts I truly hope u can continue due to thieving u tubes attitude lately all the best , so much effort behind scene
If there is indeed a separate HVAC module, then the DIG wire lets that module know of the failure and then that module connected to the CAN buss will send a code to the BCM [Body Control Module] which in turn will register a trouble code on the PCM OBDII interface. [PCM=Powertrain Control Module] Simply put: The dig wire throw a code that can be accessed with a scanner. The code may be a "hard code" which turns on the check engine light or a "soft code" that just sits there and you won't know anything is wrong until the PCM is accessed with the scanner and choose the "Read Codes" function and discover the code. Starting in the 2000's vehicle systems got much more complex with various modules [Airbag, Anti-lock brakes, seatbelt, brake and many others.] interfacing with the BCM as the main brain which then communicates with the PCM. In the late 90's the engine [ECM] and transmission [TCM] modules were combined into one package. [PCM] Here are some examples... www.mech4cars.com/ecm-vs-pcm-vs-ecu-what-are-the-differences/ here are some other modules... Keyless, gateway, radiator fan, door system, window/power door lock, immobilizer, transfer case, differential, parking brake and many more that I don't know about, especially luxury cars that have a ton of features.
It's awesome to see an actual engineered electronic product, instead of something designed by a graduate student of kindergarten whose qualifications include having licked a plug once. :D Also didn't know this was an available option! Good job, Kia!
That's quite a vault of can, shell, and resin for the high voltage shenanigans. You'd almost think they didn't want anybody peeking inside.......for 10 pounds on evil bay these things might be a viable repair/substitute for a gas ignitor on a stove or heater if the original one bites the biscuit and suppliers want half yer net worth for a new one. Cheers!
Can’t say it would illuminate the check engine light (MIL) However dtcs would be stored in the hvac control module. But as with all unneeded accessories in cars, simple resistors are a beautiful way to bypass this
I have to say Clive, I learn and have learnt far more from you than any university course I did👍🏾 I hope that you have found a good partner, who will spark your interest, as much as Fanny Flambeau did in the past🙏🏾😁👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
The should have put that collector resistor in series with the emitter, of the NPN transistor. That would drive the PNP's base with a constant current and mean no additional base resistor is required.
Solder. Juicy solder. What kinds of circuits do you solder? Big ones, little ones, ones that tend to float. Surface mount, too many to count, and the ones found in a boat. Solder. Juicy solder. The kind that likes to bite. (... Ok, that last part's weird, but that's how the jingle went.)
I wonder if that at full power could light up a 4 ft fluorescent tube. Maybe even an 8 ft tube? Perhaps a large neon sign even? Also, that looks like it would hurt if that hit you.
It may be no worse than the shock you get from walking across a carpet in the winter and touching something metal. Maybe Clive will try touching it with his fingers and tell us what happens 😁
Soon you will have to hack your Luxury car so that you can put the window down, or use the wipers, or move the position of the seat, or use the high beams or use the heated elements in the seat that you paid for, or shift into 4th gear, or put the car in reverse unless you pay a monthly fee 🤣
Silly YoutTube doesn't let you you put more than one *_"LIKE,"_* even when extreme efforts extracting and reverse-engineering wholeheartedly deserve 👍👍!!
Clive, I wonder if you would be willing to review/dissect a self-contained (no internal battery required) 3-digit LCD battery (AA etc) tester? Current ebay price of it is about $4.50 shipped to US. They come up in searching ebay for "Digital Battery Tester LCD Display C D N AA AAA Button." I bought a few of those but find them lacking accuracy, which can be corrected, but also lacking constancy in repeated tests of the same AA battery cell, which can range 1.45 to 1.60 V. It is an interesting product and could be really useful if not for the random and varying test results. The tester has its own tiny Voltage up-converter to supply its chip from the measured battery, which is a great idea. It starts to work from 0.7 Volts.
In case the "Maintenance required" LED annoys you: instead of driving your gar to a garage, just desolder the LED and put a 10k resistor across it. Saves A LOT of money in the long run!
Great vid Clive. Could that high voltage output be used to make something interesting like a Jacob's Ladder or some other fun sparky type thing of amusement? Regards, Jas. VK4FJGS Rocky Qld
Thanks for the offer. I've got a bit too much stuff here at the moment. Not sure where you're located, but shipping internationally is troublesome at the moment.
Kia has Sportage while other car manufacturer have component shortage, at least in Spain they advertised themselves as the only company that has not such problem. I understand that there could be problems for a few months after the corona discharge but now I think in most cases it's a fake shortage as they have figured out that they can sell the cars without a bunch of components for the same price.
So... if you fit a switch, with a couple of resistors, somewhere discreet, on your dashboard and attach this unit, pointy bits into the air duct, you can have it able to be switched off, half power (kinda) and fart elimination mode..? Nice. Probably quite handy, if you deliver chippy, Indian or Chinese food or for someone like me, who likes to phone n collect the order. 🤔
Hi Clive, I very much doubt that this would have any communication path to the engine ECU. It would talk to the climate control and that’s it. There may be some sort of indication on that but I doubt it. The first anyone would know about failure of the ioniser is a code read of the climate control system. A lot of information is traded via the CANbus and LINbus systems but I doubt if any other systems in the car would be interested in the state of this gadget.
Unplugging the AC controls on an old Volvo s60 disrupted the CAN bus and threw on the airbag light (needing a computer to turn it back off), you never know these days.
@@sm1thers as the CANbus daisychains around the vehicle then unplugging a module will interrupt the bus. Many CitroenPeugeot cars will not crank if the ABS module is unplugged for the same reason. The module does not need to work, it just has to be there for continuity
@@ShaunieDale yeah that's all it was. But annoying that it led to a permanent on airbag light, I was expecting it to clear itself after so many cycles, but plugging it in was the only way.
@@sm1thers Airbag systems are the most paranoid of all of them. Most systems will eventually put the light out if the fault conditions are cleared, not with SRS systems though. One caveat, Japanese and Asian systems will sometimes clear the SRS lamp without intervention. Funniest one I had, customer drove their Jimmy into an inspection pit and set the airbags off. Because it had outward opening rear windows supported in three places they shattered and blew completely out, and had to be replaced!
Hello BigClive, as a long time viewer of your channel I have had many laughs, giggles and cringe moments. For which I thank you! However there is a level of confusion brought about by Neg-Ion Generators. I am one of the people that has to rely on Neg-Ions to get through the day. I have been trying to glean from your videos which would be the best Ioniser to buy. The fact that I am in South Africa does poses shipping restrictions which your area does not. Are there any recommendations you could make as to which Ioniser would be preferable?
It's hard finding traditional ionisers, but many modern HEPA air filter units have a built in ioniser. Likewise, the bare modules are available from online sellers.
The real reason they don't want us to have lead-based solder ... it gives you x-ray vision. I don't know how you reversed engineered a potted component but hey the world is better for it.
like an old school emp/spark gap morris code transmitter? i wonder if covering the microphone in al foil will help prevent the coil from getting those snaps? thanks for uploading big c live ;)
You're a bad influence, Clive... I just ordered one of these ionizers to retrofit into an older Porsche, in hopes of getting rid of a bit of the faint musty aroma over time. I might end up playing with it in my VW before it makes it to the Porsche, though.
@@dosgos Most of the interior is flat out gone, it's just the faint funk if being a 45 year old car that was left outside for many of those years. I've been taking notes from AmmoNYC and others, but there are some things that I think time and usage will have to take care of.
Some of nature's ionizers. The air ahead of a thunderstorm. One of the most famous negative ion producers is Niagara Falls. Hence the reason why many couples get engaged there and often married because they are high on negative ions. Running a air conditioner in your vehicle or a building . Hence the reason you get sleepy when at a meeting in a room when there is meeting and the AC is running. Negative ions give that all is well feeling and that's why people and car manufacturers are using them.
These sorts of videos are likely to become more common as cars start to ship as all one model, and you subscribe to the features you want instead of buying them once.
People have already started talking about simply rewiring BMW heated seats with $20 of parts so they can avoid paying hundreds of dollars per year. Next BMW will probably have the control module test the resistance on the outputs and refuse to engage the starter motor if the seat heaters aren't within the specified range. Then people will add a resistor to fake it. Then BMW will include a 1 wire chip with a serial number inside the seat tied into the heater itself and check the serial numbers of the seat heaters match the controller and car. Because car manufacturers all think Apple are a good example to follow, apparently.
All very likely. Dashboard saying "Engine disabled, safety mode engaged... aftermarket component detected" followed by the car reporting your subscription number and location.
I've kind of decided my next car will be another fuel car, but the one after that will be electric, and I'll probably have to build the damn thing myself to get a car I actually own, control, and enjoy.
It'll probably never get further than the first "unauthorised aftermarket modification" detection before the car auto locks and drives itself back to the finance lender for confiscation. 😂
@@Broken_Yugo just in case you weren't aware. The people who run everything are not secretive about their plan for you not to own anything, never mind a car of any propulsion.
Then once you violate it they will send you a text you must pay 2k to start your car.
Clive, have you ever tried 'ChipQuik Alloy'? It's an alloy solder than turns the solder in a joint (or more importantly, all the joints on a single chip, or in your case a can) into a very low melting point solder. It then retains the heat long enough to heat them one at a time quickly and have them all remain molten long enough to remove the chip in one fell swoop. Good stuff! It's only disadvantage is the need to solder-wick the pad or thru-hole thoroughly so as to return the joints to the same melting point (preventing components from falling off in a high temp circuit). It's not cheap, but one only does this task seldomly anyway, so the tube of a dozen or so sticks (like 6-8" lengths of solder) I bought 7-8 years ago is still 3/4 full. 🤔
Someone has just said they've sent me some to try. I've not tried it before.
That green capacitor at the input is a transient supressor, typically around 50V, there to clamp any load dump spikes to a safe level, and if prolonged to blow the AC control fuse, so that the unit is protected against failing. Very common on automotive electronics, as part of getting it certified is that it has to survive a load dump transient, reverse voltage and double battery voltage boost, without failure, though blowing a fuse is permitted. So the big beefy VDR to clamp voltage to a safe level, the diode to protect against reverse polarity, and the capacitors rated for 35V on the input, along with 60V rated transistors. Load dump is when the battery is disconnected with a running engine, and the voltage ramps up rapidly, because the battery is no longer there to act as a near infinite charge sink, before the alternator voltage regulator (either built in or via the ECU, depending on the vehicle) can react to reduce it to a safer level. Alternators typically have built in protection against it rising too high, by having the rectifier diodes be designed with a low roughly controlled breakdown voltage, around 40 to 70V, so that they will limit the voltage that the alternator can develop with no load on it.
I wonder if garbage electronics from teslas have this kind of protection, I guess they don't as they tend to go on fire often.
Yes 🇨🇦🐻
And I thought all this time the little label on my KIA Sportage was a lie. Guess it really does have a air cleaner? Thanks Clive!!!
i would have thought it was a lie say from Toyota but not from Kia.
@@chuckholmes2075 I don't understand why seeing Toyota actually stands behind their products unlike Kia...
@@foodhatesme yeah it's very odd. Must be a Kia sales person
Btw, the 2x 2R resistors add negative feedback based on transformer current. As the current increase, so does the voltage over the 2x 2R resistors, reducing the voltage between base and emitter, forcing the transitor into the linear region where it isn't on hard. It becomes a crude current regulator.
2:08 to be pedantic, normally equipment like this typically is tied into the body control module ("BCM") rather than the engine controls. Both engine controls and body controls will use CANBUS, but which control module is especially listening and/or addressing a given component will usually depend on the duties of the system. Some manufacturers will even operate more than one bus, with engine controls on one and body controls on the other, which the BCM itself acting as a gatekeeper relaying or not information as it's relevant across buses.
If Kia uses a separate bus for the body functions than the powertrain functions, then likely the BCM wouldn't relay this data on to the PCM's bus.
Ancillary modules like this rarely use CAN unless there is a functional need (data speed or bandwidth) instead using a single wire serial interface such as LIN or more recently SENT protocol. There are still instances of very basic feedback using PWM or some form of heartbeat style square wave but these tend to be higher integrity systems such as SRS.
If you're playing the big Clive drinking game at home, please say hello to the ward nurse
What’s the word lol
@@THECREATOR1099 one moment please!
Ah yes, that little expensive light on your dashboard, the one AvE calls (correctly) the Wallet Overthickness Light.
I call it the "Cover it with electrical tape Light". 😜
The money light...
AvE gets it.
I may not comprehend your explanation 100% of the time, but I still enjoy watching your videos. Thanks for posting.
I recently ripped out the ioniser cabin filter of my 25 year old nissan, it was absolutely blocked with what I can only assume was diesel particulates and dust to the point the vent fan did nothing. It was grim. Does make you realise how much crap there is floating around in the air. Also the area around the ionizer was coated in black dust too. So they do work well.
It's a good idea to change them once a year, but most people/garages overlook them, often due to the difficult access.
Seen a few forests over the years growing on the air filters.
You would think since the PCB designer had fun making the elaborate silkscreen drawing for the transformer that it started out being a "naked" device, which they decided to pot later for reliability.
The potting not only helps with HT insulation but makes the module very robust against the vibration of the "Sportage" as it traverse smooth tar roads around school as Mum goes on the sidewalk to pick her little munchkin up RIGHT in front of the gate because his legs hasn't been potted and will fall off if he walks a bit too far... 🤔🤣
All children should be potted, and given a dremel for their 18th.
The problem is rather because the mum thinks the streets are unsafe because of all the car traffic. Go figure...
I don't really have anything useful to add, I"m just excited to see Clive's subscriber count climb closer to 1 million. One of the few youtube channels I watch everything that is uploaded.
I find the word 'sportage' supremely ridiculous.
You obviously did not see the "AAAIIIIYEEEEEEEEE!" commercials for it when it was first released.
Supremagically ridiculage.
There's nothing sporty about an suv...especially by a poverty brand
I find it helps if you say it so it rhymes with cabbage
@@stevecann3394 Kia Cabbage. That's a much better description 😀
If its upstream of the evaporator it would be quite useful indeed since those usually get pretty nasty after a while due to all the moisture. Would help keep the musties away.
Found the following in a Kia car manual
The cluster ionizer helps to clean up odors in the vehicle or from the air-conditioner system.
When the ignition switch ON, the inoizer runs a "CLEAN" mode and then a "ION" mode, switching every about 15 minutes.
In the “CLEAN” mode, the cluster ionizer generates negative and positive ions to help clean smells from the air
In the "ION" mode, the cluster generates negative ions and cleans inside air of a vehicle.
I'm surprised ionizers aren't included/optional (retro fit?) to clothes dryers to give the clothes that "fresh air" outside smell.
The high initial humidity of the air in modern closed loop machines might be an issue. But older machines did have ozone generating UVC bulbs.
I've solved this by getting a Alibaba ozone generator and aquarium pump to pump ozone laden air from outside to the insides of the dryer via a small diameter silicone tube.
Or just hang your clothes outside.
@@user338jdnwow lol
@@WillyJunior desperate things one does when forgetting wet laundry in the machine and end up with 5kg of ass smelling "fresh" laundry.
"This is where all the high voltage shenanigans is"
You've no idea just how much music those words were to my ears...
10:22 "... polarity protection diode, so it is *mechanic proof* ..."
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!! 😂
Note the reason why the primary can only couple to the feedback for a limited length of time is due to core saturation. There are only so many magnetic particles in the core. Once they're all aligned to the magnetic field generated by the primary, the field can't increase any further. Induction only works, when there's a change in flux (magnetic field) over time. Once the core is saturated, there will be no longer be any change in flux, hence why the voltage at the feedback winding falls, to the point of turning the transistor off.
oh wow, what a convoluted circuit for an ionizer this is. you'd think this could be made much simpler. great work on the reverse engineering!
It seems convoluted because it needs an invertor to get to the starting point of a mains ionizer, which is AC at a high voltage
Well Clive if may be "very Japanese," but KIa is Korean and the sister company of Hyundai. 😀
Child. But close enough.
@@tin2001 Kia is the parent company of Hyundai/Genesis ?
One eats Moby, the other eats Fido.... Same same but different.
@@xeldinn86 the Hyundai Motor Company purchased Kia when it went bankrupt and brought it back to life
Nice unit and a lot of good work that went into reverse-engineering it :)
Very interesting, I should make my own little ozone generator to freshen my cars up after storage.
Ebay has had little modules you just plug into the cigarette lightter ports and it creates a bit of ozone via a HV bulb. Lots of them are fakes though, so it's 50/50 if you get a real generator or just a blue LED in the same housing.
I do love modern stuff, you have air con then you need an ioniser to keep it smelling nice. No wonder cars keep going up in price. The old sun roof seems to have disappeared.
That's amazing.......❤
Just watch this at 12:30..... more or less straight after the live stream and you've already had 665 views on this video....
Love the content, Clive I'm sure you'll keep them coming...😊
Because this video went up for people who paid the ransom about a month ago. It just showed up for us non payers.
Thanks for the breakdown Clive ... we appreciate the schee-matics and the great explanations!
No idea where your fascination for those devices comes from, but it being a topic i never thought about before, i have learned so much from the BigClivesplanations of how these work and the pros and cons and the dangers of the knockoffs, on top of all the other electronics knowledge you scatter amongst the eager brains, certainly a treasure you are to all of us (even if im temporarily deaf from the crackles in my headphones 😅)
A quick question about your schematic drawings: Do you make multiple attempts to fit everything on the page so well or has it become second nature? First time I started watching your videos I said "I can draw circuits like that" but soon realised I couldn't after a couple of hopeless scribbles! It's not easy, but much appreciated by your viewers!
Usually a rough draft and then the final version shuffled to make sense.
Big Clive, keeping an _ION_ car accessory.
{I willl see myself to the door now...😊}
😂😂 I laughed, but then I have just vaped some THC 😂
Probably that transistor at 10:54 is a so-called "digital" one which has an embedded resistor or two. It's easy to check with a multimeter.
Might be usable for a miniature Pauling Furnace ?
A couple of PV cells dedicated to running a few of these along with an appropriate storage bank and you have a miniature nitric acid factory that works off grid .
Just the thing for whatever the hell you may need nitric acid for . I don't judge ...
Always love a good ionization tear down.
Sparkly 🤓
Unbelievable, I'll think I will stick to opening the window, especialy in my '65 Jag where aircon is just that.
Humbers, Rovers, Wolseleys & Triumphs here.
Didn't even know an ionizer was a thing that might be in a car. Makes perfect sense.... why didn't they do this earlier?
It's refreshing to hear someone else pronounce Sportage properly. Most Seppos pronounce it the other way. (Hell, I know people from Detroit who can't even pronounce Chevy properly.)
Nice one Clive. Throw the cutters onto a live circuit board. 👍 LOL
It seems very over complicated.
When I bought my 2017 Kia Sportage, all variants except one came with "Dual Automatic Air conditioning with Ioniser". Only the lowest spec "1" came with "Air Conditioning".
😊
Gee u put some time into these fantastic break down cts I truly hope u can continue due to thieving u tubes attitude lately all the best , so much effort behind scene
click on one, click on two, nothing on one, pause, and its open. Lets do that once more to show its not a fluke.
The distance a spark can jump is an exceedingly crude and rather dangerous form of voltmeter!
The interesting bit is that it stated +- 3kV and a spark is usually about 1mm per kV. So the 6mm was accurate.
But it is accurate and repeatable, and often used for high voltage
@@NeneExists wait until he finds out about electrical breaker boxes lol
Fun though
@@infernaldaedra
What about them??
If there is indeed a separate HVAC module, then the DIG wire lets that module know of the failure and then that module connected to the CAN buss will send a code to the BCM [Body Control Module] which in turn will register a trouble code on the PCM OBDII interface. [PCM=Powertrain Control Module]
Simply put: The dig wire throw a code that can be accessed with a scanner.
The code may be a "hard code" which turns on the check engine light or a "soft code" that just sits there and you won't know anything is wrong until the PCM is accessed with the scanner and choose the "Read Codes" function and discover the code.
Starting in the 2000's vehicle systems got much more complex with various modules [Airbag, Anti-lock brakes, seatbelt, brake and many others.] interfacing with the BCM as the main brain which then communicates with the PCM. In the late 90's the engine [ECM] and transmission [TCM] modules were combined into one package. [PCM]
Here are some examples...
www.mech4cars.com/ecm-vs-pcm-vs-ecu-what-are-the-differences/
here are some other modules...
Keyless, gateway, radiator fan, door system, window/power door lock, immobilizer, transfer case, differential, parking brake and many more that I don't know about, especially luxury cars that have a ton of features.
I'm surprised you didn't put an innuendo in the video thumbnail. Something like "Kia Frottage 3000" lmao
It's awesome to see an actual engineered electronic product, instead of something designed by a graduate student of kindergarten whose qualifications include having licked a plug once. :D
Also didn't know this was an available option! Good job, Kia!
Hi Clive , I've learned a lot from your great videos but that really hurt my brain 🧠 well done for reverse engineering that ✝️🇬🇧
With arcs like that, I can imagine people would enjoy extracting these modules and making them into stunguns... :P
Very nice sĥhhhhhhhhhematic!!
Ionizer videos are my favorite, keep them coming!
That's quite a vault of can, shell, and resin for the high voltage shenanigans. You'd almost think they didn't want anybody peeking inside.......for 10 pounds on evil bay these things might be a viable repair/substitute for a gas ignitor on a stove or heater if the original one bites the biscuit and suppliers want half yer net worth for a new one. Cheers!
You can buy many different stove ignitor modules on eBay and AliExpress.
Sounds like Cllive has been using the soda stream again.
That was very interesting. That automotive stuff is crrraaaaazy!
Neat...and much less expensive than the standalone one :)
3.20 ish... ahh this brings back all those memories of singed fingers, when i wasn't bright enough not to hold it (just) there, lol
Can’t say it would illuminate the check engine light (MIL)
However dtcs would be stored in the hvac control module.
But as with all unneeded accessories in cars, simple resistors are a beautiful way to bypass this
I have to say Clive, I learn and have learnt far more from you than any university course I did👍🏾 I hope that you have found a good partner, who will spark your interest, as much as Fanny Flambeau did in the past🙏🏾😁👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
The should have put that collector resistor in series with the emitter, of the NPN transistor. That would drive the PNP's base with a constant current and mean no additional base resistor is required.
Solder. Juicy solder. What kinds of circuits do you solder? Big ones, little ones, ones that tend to float. Surface mount, too many to count, and the ones found in a boat. Solder. Juicy solder. The kind that likes to bite. (... Ok, that last part's weird, but that's how the jingle went.)
I wonder if that at full power could light up a 4 ft fluorescent tube. Maybe even an 8 ft tube? Perhaps a large neon sign even? Also, that looks like it would hurt if that hit you.
It's very low current. It would barely make a tube glow.
It may be no worse than the shock you get from walking across a carpet in the winter and touching something metal. Maybe Clive will try touching it with his fingers and tell us what happens 😁
Amazing what’s floating around in the air
Sorry Clive, that's so complicated you lost me. but thanks for sharing.
Yeah, that Sharp Cluster thingy is everywhere in Japan.
Slowly but surely the days of the average worker owning a car are drawing to a close.
Clive, I was thinking about you, and suddenly the alarm went off
Belt clip and battery all set for bratwurst night at the pub. Perhaps even a gas sensor for auto activate.
Wait. Was thinking ozone stink killer but maybe fire hazard. lol Good ol' Fanny.
Soon you will have to hack your Luxury car so that you can put the window down, or use the wipers, or move the position of the seat, or use the high beams or use the heated elements in the seat that you paid for, or shift into 4th gear, or put the car in reverse unless you pay a monthly fee 🤣
Silly YoutTube doesn't let you you put more than one *_"LIKE,"_* even when extreme efforts extracting and reverse-engineering wholeheartedly deserve 👍👍!!
Oh for the days of a dash mounted heat cool valve and a nice 3 speed fan
Yep, It's causing loud crackling. I'm now deaf in one leg.
RIP Edward Jones. 4 years ago already....
This circuit was quite a mouthful. What would you do to redesign this circuit?
These days there are dedicated modules that have everything potted in one block.
Clive, I wonder if you would be willing to review/dissect a self-contained (no internal battery required) 3-digit LCD battery (AA etc) tester? Current ebay price of it is about $4.50 shipped to US. They come up in searching ebay for "Digital Battery Tester LCD Display C D N AA AAA Button." I bought a few of those but find them lacking accuracy, which can be corrected, but also lacking constancy in repeated tests of the same AA battery cell, which can range 1.45 to 1.60 V. It is an interesting product and could be really useful if not for the random and varying test results.
The tester has its own tiny Voltage up-converter to supply its chip from the measured battery, which is a great idea. It starts to work from 0.7 Volts.
So, an ideal addition when one regularly travels with an inveterate farter.
In case the "Maintenance required" LED annoys you: instead of driving your gar to a garage, just desolder the LED and put a 10k resistor across it. Saves A LOT of money in the long run!
Great vid Clive.
Could that high voltage output be used to make something interesting like a Jacob's Ladder or some other fun sparky type thing of amusement?
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It's not really high powered enough to do anything visually exciting.
Notice the pcb is dated 2010
My fav' regulator LM 317.
So an NE 556 (2xNE 555) and a toroidal xformer must be too complicated then...
;)
Clive I'm a mechanic and we have so many modules just laying around. Would you perhaps like a central gateway? Or too much?
I've took one apart looks very simple
Thanks for the offer. I've got a bit too much stuff here at the moment. Not sure where you're located, but shipping internationally is troublesome at the moment.
Kia has Sportage while other car manufacturer have component shortage, at least in Spain they advertised themselves as the only company that has not such problem.
I understand that there could be problems for a few months after the corona discharge but now I think in most cases it's a fake shortage as they have figured out that they can sell the cars without a bunch of components for the same price.
That module looks identical to a charge neutralizer module in an industrial Mitsubishi laser printer.
Thanks for another great video Clive 👍 have a good day and have a good sleep 😴
Great video, I wander if there is enough voltage to power an indicator lamp to say its operating from the green wire?
Theoretically it should be able to power an LED indicator.
The schematic reminds me of a blocking oscillator.
So... if you fit a switch, with a couple of resistors, somewhere discreet, on your dashboard and attach this unit, pointy bits into the air duct, you can have it able to be switched off, half power (kinda) and fart elimination mode..? Nice. Probably quite handy, if you deliver chippy, Indian or Chinese food or for someone like me, who likes to phone n collect the order. 🤔
Would this be of use as a fly killer with some mesh and a 12 v battery?
Would be great for killing mosquitoes
Probably too low current for it. Maybe with a HV capacitor to provide a better initial bang to the creature.
A luxury feature to be able to breathe clean air. 😅
Hi Clive, I very much doubt that this would have any communication path to the engine ECU. It would talk to the climate control and that’s it. There may be some sort of indication on that but I doubt it. The first anyone would know about failure of the ioniser is a code read of the climate control system. A lot of information is traded via the CANbus and LINbus systems but I doubt if any other systems in the car would be interested in the state of this gadget.
Unplugging the AC controls on an old Volvo s60 disrupted the CAN bus and threw on the airbag light (needing a computer to turn it back off), you never know these days.
@@sm1thers as the CANbus daisychains around the vehicle then unplugging a module will interrupt the bus. Many CitroenPeugeot cars will not crank if the ABS module is unplugged for the same reason. The module does not need to work, it just has to be there for continuity
@@ShaunieDale yeah that's all it was. But annoying that it led to a permanent on airbag light, I was expecting it to clear itself after so many cycles, but plugging it in was the only way.
@@sm1thers Airbag systems are the most paranoid of all of them. Most systems will eventually put the light out if the fault conditions are cleared, not with SRS systems though. One caveat, Japanese and Asian systems will sometimes clear the SRS lamp without intervention.
Funniest one I had, customer drove their Jimmy into an inspection pit and set the airbags off. Because it had outward opening rear windows supported in three places they shattered and blew completely out, and had to be replaced!
Dashboard in cars here are also called clusters where this module lives...
And a Cluster fuck when they go wrong.
Always loved how you guys pronounce sportage across the pond. So much more fun. I’ve heard they’re pretty decent for playing rugby too
What do you say? Sportidge?
@@WillyJunior pretty much spot on!
pronunciation 24s into kia america ad - ruclips.net/video/OkdyfoO_j74/видео.html
17:00 Kia, South Korean not Japanese.
Great cars, Kia Rio, 16years old, no problems apart from usual consumables.
Same same, they just eat different endangered species.
Ion mode for air recycle mode perhaps? Full output for fresh air coming into vehicle
I'd guess full power mode for closed loop sterilisation, and maybe ionisation when the cabin was being ventilated.
Would you ever consider doing a ‘reverse engineering walk through’? Showing what you do as you work out what’s going on?
Thanks again
I will make a video like that at some point.
"Bridge it and touch it. Yeah, it's off"
was nice enough for them to give you a whole 2 centimeters of wire on that pigtail
Hello BigClive, as a long time viewer of your channel I have had many laughs, giggles and cringe moments. For which I thank you! However there is a level of confusion brought about by Neg-Ion Generators. I am one of the people that has to rely on Neg-Ions to get through the day. I have been trying to glean from your videos which would be the best Ioniser to buy. The fact that I am in South Africa does poses shipping restrictions which your area does not. Are there any recommendations you could make as to which Ioniser would be preferable?
It's hard finding traditional ionisers, but many modern HEPA air filter units have a built in ioniser. Likewise, the bare modules are available from online sellers.
The real reason they don't want us to have lead-based solder ... it gives you x-ray vision.
I don't know how you reversed engineered a potted component but hey the world is better for it.
like an old school emp/spark gap morris code transmitter? i wonder if covering the microphone in al foil will help prevent the coil from getting those snaps? thanks for uploading big c live ;)
It's an audio peak that the automatic gain control can't respond to fast enough.
08:57 OMG you said the C word.....
The purple C word too 🤣
crimson?
Nice little module !
This vehicle 😲💥⚡🚙⚡🔥 should be called the "KIA Shortage"!! 🤣
You're a bad influence, Clive...
I just ordered one of these ionizers to retrofit into an older Porsche, in hopes of getting rid of a bit of the faint musty aroma over time. I might end up playing with it in my VW before it makes it to the Porsche, though.
I rated this vehicle module quite well when I made a video about it:-
www.aliexpress.com/item/32914804007.html
Go to the AMMONYC channel for cleaning car interiors.
@@dosgos Most of the interior is flat out gone, it's just the faint funk if being a 45 year old car that was left outside for many of those years.
I've been taking notes from AmmoNYC and others, but there are some things that I think time and usage will have to take care of.
Some of nature's ionizers. The air ahead of a thunderstorm. One of the most famous negative ion producers is Niagara Falls.
Hence the reason why many couples get engaged there and often married because they are high on negative ions. Running a air conditioner in your vehicle or a building . Hence the reason you get sleepy when at a meeting in a room when there is meeting and the AC is running. Negative ions give that all is well feeling and that's why people and car manufacturers are using them.