I've noticed a lot of the shooters are older than you. This just goes in the experience toolbox of things not to do in the future. When you're that age, the experience will make you untouchable
So, are we seeing a shirt depicting a large shot group with " I lube my stock forend" soon? Just joking, love your videos. Amazing what seemingly trivial things might influence precision in top tier competitions.
I absolutely can't believe the difference from such a small amount of recoil management change. It blows my mind that such little changes have such an impact
@@doomfathertm8771 i wouldn't be surprised if it's both, but I do think the recoil is a big factor. Bryan Litz has a nice slow mo video of the muzzle of a rifle moving rearwards before the bullet exits. add some lube, now the rifle can move more than before. harmonics probably factor in when considering a lubed recoil is less friction.
Mr. Eric i checked this video and i could not believe that a a bit of grease can do this but yet there it is!!! Just want to say a huge amount of respect from here thank you for sharing such great knoledge and hard work with us. Since ive watched your videos my reloading went cheaper my gun started shooting extremely well. So thank you sir. And dont worry the next nationals youll smoke the competetiin your a fenominal shooter. Take care
Very impressive process, Erik. As Karl Popper said, “Science is basically trial and error” and Socrates, “The unexamined life is not worth living”. The utter heartbreak of making a mistake and the great joy of discovering why makes life worth living. Thanks for sharing.
Dang! Being an engineer, and looking at failures, that was a brilliant test!!! I was watching the match as time allowed and was bummed that the third day took you down. I bet that won't happen again. Best of luck next year.
Thank you for this video. I never miss since I installed my E.C. Tuner Brake but if I ever do it will not be because I greased my rifle or rest. I'm sorry it was such a costly mistake for you but watching is a very cheap lesson for me I will not forget. Keeping them centered and Kind Regards, Tony
I shot with a 40X in college. The range sergeant claimed my rifle fell out of the rifle safe and broke the front sight mount. The rifle was never the same after that, but I had no recourse for a new barrel and front sight. Now Remington's Custom Shop is a faint shadow of it's former self, so I'm going to have to follow you and F-Class John into the fully custom rifles.
I'm guessing it changed the way the rifle moved back under recoil and at 1,000 yds even tiny differences in recoil pattern will make a big difference. I don't know what the material is in the part of the rest that actually touches the forearm but some materials become sticky when grease is applied especially if the grease has and additive to make it stay put. Or it could've been the over way and made it slide easier but I think increased drag would effect the rifle more than less would. It will be interesting to see what Erik comes up with I'm betting he won't let this go until he knows for sure.
So is a straight back sliding barrel just a sign that a gun has been shot with good shooting disciplines and was stabilized well or has the bullet already left the barrel by the time the rifle reacts. Is your F-class support mechanism designed so that only a straight back reaction can occur after a shot? I can see how a sling stud can cause muzzle jump but I don't see how adding 'grease would hurt anything. Sorry just brainstorming some ideas, I am not into taking unethical shots but those poor groups would still be dead deer,at 1000 yds, if you were shooting a ray gun with unlimited energy and penetration. Your videos get better and better each time watch them, think Ill subscribe, thanks Cortina.
I've never participated or even seen a competitive shoot. I'm amazed that little bit of grease on the fore stock made that much difference. It was more than I would have thought. I wonder if it was rising in the rest?
after seeing the vid , i think because of the grease and the faster movement back of the gun ,you got a differnt swinging of the barrel ,and also a gun thats not at the same time and place from the impact point ,shot after shot. with a springer airgun you have to do excactly the same ,to get groups. not a ferm hold and then a sloppy one . same as the grease did.
I realize this is an old video, but here's my two cents: I think grease on the stock/rest not only changes the inertia moments of the firearm, but will slightly change the velocities. I think the change in inertia moments was more significant. Also, if you get any grease on the bullet/cartridge that is inconsistent with the previous round, then your bullet entry into the leade will be different.. So, my point is greasing the bolt may have more impact than you think if it is imparting onto the cartridge.
It's hard to believe that a thin film of grease on the tip of the forearm could make such a difference. There are so many variables in shooting I'm surprised anybody can shoot consistently good groups at longer ranges.
This should emphasize just how important consistent recoil management’s actually is. Everything U do behind the boom stick has to be the same every time! All the time. Change=change
I think most people probably don't understand the rifle is actually starting to move (backwards in recoil) the moment the bullet starts to move. It's physics. So consistent recoil control is essential for tight groups. Little things go a long way, they say...
Man I love the Cortina screw ups more than any other Gun Tube. Jareds Guns&gadgets, Demo Ranch, Reno May, F Class John, Winning in the Wind, West Desert. Eagle Eye, Sooth, Hickock45, Warrior Poet Soc, 22 Plinsker. Maranda's Armed scholar. Johnnies Reloading Bench. Brian Kleckner. MAC, and many more. ( man I don't have a life) but thank you all.
Thank you for sharing this. I know it can be difficult to share these kinds of mistakes but it helps us all. Thank you for your dedication to the sport.
Great tip, Erik!....say, I have two unrelated questions, guy: 1). How does that mirage/heat shield attach to your rifle, and where did you buy it? 2). What is the model/make of your front adjustable rest, and where can a guy buy it? THANKS, Erik!!! Keep your great.videos coming!!!
Although the grease is a suspect I don't think you have done enough testing to verify that theory. I wonder if the real culprit is the adjustment of the force on the forearm rest. Maybe it felt the same as without the grease but the grease altered the feel and the force was actually different than normal. I don't shoot competitively anymore, largely because I got tired of fixing problem A while problem B was getting worse. I once set a Colorado state benchrest record on Saturday and on Sunday placed 20th with the same rifle with group sizes that were 50% bigger due to a brand new problem I did not have on Saturday. It is an interesting issue you had but I prefer to watch you sort it out rather than do it myself. Great shooting in any event.
For barrel cleaning it would be perfect if you could have a method of cleaning the barrel that wouldn't strip it back to perfect brand new condition, but rather back to the perfect fouled stage for best groups. So if your barrel takes 12 shots for example to foul it properly for the tightest groups, then clean it back to the 12 fouling shots. Basically if you fire 60 rounds you would then erase the particles from the last the last 48 rounds, so each time you're finished cleaning you'd be left with a 12 fouled barrel to start off with your tightest group. Of course each barrel being different it would only work for THAT barrel. When you replace the barrel you got to find the "fouled sweet spot" again. For that to work you'd at least have to know how many shots to perfectly foul the barrel for the tightest groups.
What a bummer Eric, just goes to show that there’s always more to learn as with anything in life. The important thing is to never give up, but learn new things and move forward. BTW, what type of cartridge “caliber” were you shooting? That sure is a bad ass looking rifle and scope combo. ✌️😎👍
Nice, but sad to see you are human also besides being such an excellent person. I enjoy your videos immensely. Thank you. Have a nice forever, Uncle Keith
Hi Eric. I just watched this very interesting post. Could it possibly be that some grease found its way into your chamber by means of the chamber flag you inserted after greasing the action? Best regards from South Africa
I am guessing the recoil is not pushing back evenly........its kicking a bit sideways at the butt when you fire......making the rest more "slippery" has allowed it the push back further, allowing that extra push at the Butt to move sideways even more than normal, hence the wider group.
Hi, don't know how things are done now, I shot rimfire competition,preparing for a match would not clean rifle till after match, would be filthy,if you cleaned it would undo everything you did to get ready
Seems like what I learned about my air rifle, anything at any place changes the point of impact. And that is red squirrel at 15-20 yards. 1050? Forget about it!! I would be off the target with my skills even with your rifle. Glad that you chased down what happened, and came to a reasonable cause and effect. Won’t do dat nomore, eh.
Amazing that something that seems so inoculous could cause such a difference! Kudos for the determination to figure it out and the mental fortitude to recall the details. Lessons learned!
I never would have suspected the grease to cause the group size to change. However it was good you could replicate it at home. Otherwise you would never have figured it out.
I was told by a multiple world champion. (not rifle) NEVER change anything at a Match. It has served me well. Thank you for sharing. Not many would share that with others.
@@ErikCortina do you mind telling us how you came to that conclusion? My theory is that having less drag at the rest than your rear bag might make it ride up a little. Of course I haven't felt what your rifle is doing. I have an idea for an asymmetric forend that makes barrel torque lock it in to the rest so it can't ride up. Being offset to one side will give the forend a bigger lever against the torque too. Something like that would constrain the movement vertically, rotationally and side to side so grease might work really well on that.
Did you try to use some PTFE tape ? Maybe you could also take in account the fact that you removed the rifle from the rest between the first and the 2nd group ; you need to wait few shots after putting it onto the front bag until it takes the shape of the stock.
@@ErikCortina You're right, now I'm thinking about something else. Stocks that are used in benchrest competitions have a slope on the rear (a minimal angle is part of the rules), the more the rife recoils the more the barrel is pointing upwards. But if the recoil is consistent, no problem the rifle will group (bullets will always exit when the barrel is at the same angle). Usually when shooting if you feel something wrong with the recoil you can be sure that it's a flyer on target. On your F-Open stock shape (same angle on the front an rear) it should recoil perfectly straight, you shouldn't have this problem, but it has certainly something to do with the friction on the front bag and recoil consistency anyway.
Curious how it grouped once it did get a barrel-clean. Overlapping variables in play...such that a clean barrel WITH the grease might have actually grouped the tightest? Maybe unlikely, but certainly possible.
What is the material on the sides of the rest. If it is a polymer, they react to grease and can become very sticky. Just the opposite of what you would expect. Hate to mention this but what is the perfect situation, every shot is like the last. True in loads, true in mechanics and true in equipment. Thanks for sharing this, reinforces what we do and what we do not want to do.
Did you tighten both screws on the rest the same? Amazing how so many measurements are to precise tolerances, but the rest screws are just ”that feels about right”!!! Can you somehow put a torque wrench to them???
Can you explain why that grease would affect your group negatively? The rifle should still be tracking straight back under recoil? I can’t figure out why this would affect accuracy?
Eric, I would like to thank you for all the great information that you share, i have learned alot from you and look forward to ever new video you put out. I look forward to meeting you one day! Russell Weeks
0:43 😂 I totally understand bro I'd missed it my dope with a 6.5 creedmoor at 450 yards for the first time trying to shoot groups and was a foot under the target it's tough out here man
You really beat yourself up over this stuff, and you may have some people thinking that this is a farce, however when a person is falling trees the tipping with a wedge 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch at the base can be 6 to 10 ft depending on height of the tree.
Hay eric thanks for all you videos... but can you do a very very simple load development video... basic step by step... every body goes on and on and take way to much jargen...
So you guys lock your rifle into basically a shop vice block? Is this that so called rail gun type of shooting? Just seems weird to me. Might as well add molded wedges to clamp down on the stock so it really won’t move after shot.
But why did the grease variabel open up the group? Did the grease make it so the rifle became more sensetive to outside vibrations from your pulse ect? Harmonics?
It is difficult to believe the results of your test. Do you think that you can duplicate this test to see if the result will duplicate itself. As they say "one swallow does not make a summer" Always enjoy your video's.
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Before this video, how many of you would have guess grease would have caused that much variance? 🤔
Nope!
nope
So did the grease allows the gun to jump upwards out of the rest ever so slightly?
I would never have suspected such a small thing would make so large an impact.
I've noticed a lot of the shooters are older than you. This just goes in the experience toolbox of things not to do in the future. When you're that age, the experience will make you untouchable
That's why I love watching "the Cortina". Honesty from start to end. Respect, Erik and thanks for the aftermath.
The precision required in this 1000 yard grouping boggles my mind.
So true. I am fascinated by long range precision shooting, but so far Eric’s worst group at 1050 yards looks about like my best at 100.
Absolutely.
Lesson learned: Never introduce a new variable (grease) and expect the same results. Tough break, Erik, but at least you solved the dilemma.
Very impressed with the dedication to finding the error of your last day at Nationals. Respect
So, are we seeing a shirt depicting a large shot group with " I lube my stock forend" soon?
Just joking, love your videos. Amazing what seemingly trivial things might influence precision in top tier competitions.
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As Paul Harvey would have said, "and now you know the rest of the story" as you know Erik the hard lessons learn are the ones you'll not make twice. 👍
I absolutely can't believe the difference from such a small amount of recoil management change. It blows my mind that such little changes have such an impact
I don't believe
its not the recoil but the barrel harmonics
@@doomfathertm8771 i wouldn't be surprised if it's both, but I do think the recoil is a big factor. Bryan Litz has a nice slow mo video of the muzzle of a rifle moving rearwards before the bullet exits. add some lube, now the rifle can move more than before. harmonics probably factor in when considering a lubed recoil is less friction.
Mr. Eric i checked this video and i could not believe that a a bit of grease can do this but yet there it is!!! Just want to say a huge amount of respect from here thank you for sharing such great knoledge and hard work with us. Since ive watched your videos my reloading went cheaper my gun started shooting extremely well. So thank you sir. And dont worry the next nationals youll smoke the competetiin your a fenominal shooter. Take care
Next time use Crisco. It'll glide so smooth that it'll turn your 4" group into 1". If it fails you can always fry up some chicken.
KY jelly so it dont hurt so bad.
Very impressive process, Erik. As Karl Popper said, “Science is basically trial and error” and Socrates, “The unexamined life is not worth living”.
The utter heartbreak of making a mistake and the great joy of discovering why makes life worth living. Thanks for sharing.
"The difference between science and messing around, is writing stuff down"
Dang! Being an engineer, and looking at failures, that was a brilliant test!!! I was watching the match as time allowed and was bummed that the third day took you down. I bet that won't happen again. Best of luck next year.
Thank you for this video. I never miss since I installed my E.C. Tuner Brake but if I ever do it will not be because I greased my rifle or rest.
I'm sorry it was such a costly mistake for you but watching is a very cheap lesson for me I will not forget.
Keeping them centered and
Kind Regards,
Tony
Damn your accuracy is phenomenal. 4 inch group at 1000 is impressive.
Not accuracy, precision!!!
Always enjoy the vids.......still beleive in ya!!!!! Keep it rocking
Erik as usual you never disappoint thanks so much for posting, learnt so much from you, regards from Western Australia.
Man the little things that really can screw with a guy! Glad you figured it out though! Thanks for the video
...lesson learnt! Introducing new variables is never a good idea but great idea to test your theories!
The smell of shit in the morning really clears the mind. Used to compete nationally in bowling, thinking is your worsts enemy, do what you always do!
I shot with a 40X in college. The range sergeant claimed my rifle fell out of the rifle safe and broke the front sight mount. The rifle was never the same after that, but I had no recourse for a new barrel and front sight. Now Remington's Custom Shop is a faint shadow of it's former self, so I'm going to have to follow you and F-Class John into the fully custom rifles.
Any idea why the grease on the stock made such an impact?
I'm guessing it changed the way the rifle moved back under recoil and at 1,000 yds even tiny differences in recoil pattern will make a big difference. I don't know what the material is in the part of the rest that actually touches the forearm but some materials become sticky when grease is applied especially if the grease has and additive to make it stay put. Or it could've been the over way and made it slide easier but I think increased drag would effect the rifle more than less would. It will be interesting to see what Erik comes up with I'm betting he won't let this go until he knows for sure.
So is a straight back sliding barrel just a sign that a gun has been shot with good shooting disciplines and was stabilized well or has the bullet already left the barrel by the time the rifle reacts. Is your F-class support mechanism designed so that only a straight back reaction can occur after a shot? I can see how a sling stud can cause muzzle jump but I don't see how adding 'grease would hurt anything. Sorry just brainstorming some ideas, I am not into taking unethical shots but those poor groups would still be dead deer,at 1000 yds, if you were shooting a ray gun with unlimited energy and penetration. Your videos get better and better each time watch them, think Ill subscribe, thanks Cortina.
I've never participated or even seen a competitive shoot. I'm amazed that little bit of grease on the fore stock made that much difference. It was more than I would have thought. I wonder if it was rising in the rest?
Wow Erik that is so crazy! At least you figured it out, we’ve all learned something. Good luck next time Sir!
after seeing the vid , i think because of the grease and the faster movement back of the gun ,you got a differnt swinging of the barrel ,and also a gun thats not at the same time and place from the impact point ,shot after shot. with a springer airgun you have to do excactly the same ,to get groups. not a ferm hold and then a sloppy one . same as the grease did.
I realize this is an old video, but here's my two cents: I think grease on the stock/rest not only changes the inertia moments of the firearm, but will slightly change the velocities. I think the change in inertia moments was more significant. Also, if you get any grease on the bullet/cartridge that is inconsistent with the previous round, then your bullet entry into the leade will be different.. So, my point is greasing the bolt may have more impact than you think if it is imparting onto the cartridge.
It's hard to believe that a thin film of grease on the tip of the forearm could make such a difference. There are so many variables in shooting I'm surprised anybody can shoot consistently good groups at longer ranges.
This should emphasize just how important consistent recoil management’s actually is. Everything U do behind the boom stick has to be the same every time! All the time. Change=change
I think most people probably don't understand the rifle is actually starting to move (backwards in recoil) the moment the bullet starts to move. It's physics. So consistent recoil control is essential for tight groups. Little things go a long way, they say...
WOW, that’s crazy how that grease made such a difference
Thanks for the information and sharing
Man I love the Cortina screw ups more than any other Gun Tube. Jareds Guns&gadgets, Demo Ranch, Reno May, F Class John, Winning in the Wind, West Desert. Eagle Eye, Sooth, Hickock45, Warrior Poet Soc, 22 Plinsker. Maranda's Armed scholar. Johnnies Reloading Bench. Brian Kleckner. MAC, and many more. ( man I don't have a life) but thank you all.
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Thank you for sharing this. I know it can be difficult to share these kinds of mistakes but it helps us all. Thank you for your dedication to the sport.
Great tip, Erik!....say, I have two unrelated questions, guy:
1). How does that mirage/heat shield attach to your rifle, and where did you buy it?
2). What is the model/make of your front adjustable rest, and where can a guy buy it?
THANKS, Erik!!! Keep your great.videos coming!!!
It attaches with Velcro. I don’t remember where I got it.
SEB NEO rest.
I'll buy that T-Shirt. "I Lubed." LOL
“I lubed and got fu**ed” 😂
Although the grease is a suspect I don't think you have done enough testing to verify that theory. I wonder if the real culprit is the adjustment of the force on the forearm rest. Maybe it felt the same as without the grease but the grease altered the feel and the force was actually different than normal. I don't shoot competitively anymore, largely because I got tired of fixing problem A while problem B was getting worse. I once set a Colorado state benchrest record on Saturday and on Sunday placed 20th with the same rifle with group sizes that were 50% bigger due to a brand new problem I did not have on Saturday. It is an interesting issue you had but I prefer to watch you sort it out rather than do it myself. Great shooting in any event.
Thanks for this one. Interesting
Breathe, my perfectionist friend, Breathe...
For barrel cleaning it would be perfect if you could have a method of cleaning the barrel that wouldn't strip it back to perfect brand new condition, but rather back to the perfect fouled stage for best groups.
So if your barrel takes 12 shots for example to foul it properly for the tightest groups, then clean it back to the 12 fouling shots. Basically if you fire 60 rounds you would then erase the particles from the last the last 48 rounds, so each time you're finished cleaning you'd be left with a 12 fouled barrel to start off with your tightest group. Of course each barrel being different it would only work for THAT barrel. When you replace the barrel you got to find the "fouled sweet spot" again.
For that to work you'd at least have to know how many shots to perfectly foul the barrel for the tightest groups.
what caliber rifle is that?it's a beautiful gun!
What a bummer Eric, just goes to show that there’s always more to learn as with anything in life. The important thing is to never give up, but learn new things and move forward. BTW, what type of cartridge “caliber” were you shooting? That sure is a bad ass looking rifle and scope combo.
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Nice, but sad to see you are human also besides being such an excellent person. I enjoy your videos immensely. Thank you. Have a nice forever, Uncle Keith
Okay, so if grease on the forend is a detriment, would something tacky be helpful? Please do the science for us Erik!
Hi Eric. I just watched this very interesting post. Could it possibly be that some grease found its way into your chamber by means of the chamber flag you inserted after greasing the action? Best regards from South Africa
Man I'm just getting into lr shooting, well trying to 😂, and loading for myself and your content has been a great help. Thanks for what you do bud
I watch lots of gold panning/prospecting videos so, for a second I thought you got some gold paydirt or something LOL
Didn't believe it at first would have thought it make the group shift but not affect group size so much
I am guessing the recoil is not pushing back evenly........its kicking a bit sideways at the butt when you fire......making the rest more "slippery" has allowed it the push back further, allowing that extra push at the Butt to move sideways even more than normal, hence the wider group.
This is exactly why guys don’t wash their socks before the big game. Never change ANYTHING about your routine.
What an oddity. Really strange.
Rule #1 in the how to avoid trainwrecks manual is "do not make changes to your setup at nationals". Good shooting with you Erik.
I would have had you! 😂
Hi, don't know how things are done now, I shot rimfire competition,preparing for a match would not clean rifle till after match, would be filthy,if you cleaned it would undo everything you did to get ready
Seems like what I learned about my air rifle, anything at any place changes the point of impact. And that is red squirrel at 15-20 yards. 1050? Forget about it!! I would be off the target with my skills even with your rifle. Glad that you chased down what happened, and came to a reasonable cause and effect. Won’t do dat nomore, eh.
Live & learn...........................That's life !!
Amazing that something that seems so inoculous could cause such a difference! Kudos for the determination to figure it out and the mental fortitude to recall the details. Lessons learned!
Very interesting. Thank you.
Dang I'd of never guessed that.
I never would have suspected the grease to cause the group size to change. However it was good you could replicate it at home. Otherwise you would never have figured it out.
Yeah I wouldn't even have greased the bolt as well because the 1st group was amazing, lesson today is that "Shit Happens"
You have to grease the bolt.
Experimenting is done during prep work not on test day, Check.✅ Thank you for letting us learn from your mistakes.
I don't get it... Whats the science that makes grease do that? Change the barrel harmonics?
To think lube screwed you over.....
It's the little things that get you in trouble.
You answered one of the big mysteries that has plagued me for life: If Italians were to enter Turkey from the rear, would Greece help... Seems not.
I was told by a multiple world champion. (not rifle) NEVER change anything at a Match. It has served me well. Thank you for sharing. Not many would share that with others.
Did you see any difference in the velocities between greased and ungreased?
Still would like to see the group after cleaning?
What electronic target system are you using? @Erik Cortina
I've been looking for the same information - hopefully some insight soon - thanks
R.I.F... I see it now. Silver Mountain Target. - Thanks
Just to clarify for anyone wondering. It's the SOLO E-Target system by Silver Mountain Targets www.silvermountaintargets.com/
What I would like to know what is the grease causing it to vertical like it did. That's nuts!
Allows rifle to torque.
@@ErikCortina do you mind telling us how you came to that conclusion?
My theory is that having less drag at the rest than your rear bag might make it ride up a little. Of course I haven't felt what your rifle is doing.
I have an idea for an asymmetric forend that makes barrel torque lock it in to the rest so it can't ride up. Being offset to one side will give the forend a bigger lever against the torque too. Something like that would constrain the movement vertically, rotationally and side to side so grease might work really well on that.
@@ErikCortina I would have thought the bullet would have left the bore already before the gun even moves in the rest.
What is the application you are using to mark your shots?
I'm also curious about that
Thanks Eric for the update, 20hr drive stewing on it! at least you can sleep easy now. Can’t trust the Cat’s Pyjamas 😂
Come on, your Calvin kline's were bound up to tight.......
Did you try to use some PTFE tape ? Maybe you could also take in account the fact that you removed the rifle from the rest between the first and the 2nd group ; you need to wait few shots after putting it onto the front bag until it takes the shape of the stock.
I removed it again to wipe grease off and group shrank again.
@@ErikCortina You're right, now I'm thinking about something else. Stocks that are used in benchrest competitions have a slope on the rear (a minimal angle is part of the rules), the more the rife recoils the more the barrel is pointing upwards. But if the recoil is consistent, no problem the rifle will group (bullets will always exit when the barrel is at the same angle). Usually when shooting if you feel something wrong with the recoil you can be sure that it's a flyer on target. On your F-Open stock shape (same angle on the front an rear) it should recoil perfectly straight, you shouldn't have this problem, but it has certainly something to do with the friction on the front bag and recoil consistency anyway.
Curious how it grouped once it did get a barrel-clean. Overlapping variables in play...such that a clean barrel WITH the grease might have actually grouped the tightest? Maybe unlikely, but certainly possible.
What is that target you're using? And is it something that's hard to setup?
Just amazing what good info come out of R&D, along with a 20hr drive to stew on it.
Curious what # your tuner is on?
What are you using to track the impacts? It doesn't look like a Longshot.
Cleaning my barrel has NEVER improved my groups at 1000 yards, nor has it made it worse.
Wow Erik, impressed that you went thru this journey segment still learning. Kudos Sir. Much Respect from Wisconsin.
Atleast you know what caused it.....
What is the material on the sides of the rest. If it is a polymer, they react to grease and can become very sticky. Just the opposite of what you would expect. Hate to mention this but what is the perfect situation, every shot is like the last. True in loads, true in mechanics and true in equipment. Thanks for sharing this, reinforces what we do and what we do not want to do.
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Often Teflon.
I am in total disbelief that the lube could make that much of a difference! Just crazy to imagine. Thanks for making a video about this!
Oh no - thanks for sharing your findings so others can learn from this
Did you tighten both screws on the rest the same? Amazing how so many measurements are to precise tolerances, but the rest screws are just ”that feels about right”!!!
Can you somehow put a torque wrench to them???
Did you clean your hands after
I'd jump for joy if my best day shooting was as good as your worst 😁😁😁.
shi...crappy lesson, thanks for passing it on. love the machine shop vids
I don't understand why greasing the outside of your stock would cause that.
If I had to guess, it's changing the way the rifle recoils which changes the follow through.
Can you explain why that grease would affect your group negatively? The rifle should still be tracking straight back under recoil? I can’t figure out why this would affect accuracy?
New to shooting in Utah. Is there any shoots with just the gun nothing else? Just you the ammo and the gun?
Silhouette
What is the pad material on the bottom and sides of the front rest? Looks like maybe HDPE on the sides. Can’t see the bottom well enough. Thanks
Eric, I would like to thank you for all the great information that you share, i have learned alot from you and look forward to ever new video you put out. I look forward to meeting you one day!
Russell Weeks
Hey Erik I would love to build a gun for out to 500 yards any suggestions on what caliber?? Thank you for any input!!
F class is a new phenomenon to many of us..5 shot strings measuring just over 1an inch at 1,000 yards. Shall we redefine m.o.a.?
0:43 😂 I totally understand bro I'd missed it my dope with a 6.5 creedmoor at 450 yards for the first time trying to shoot groups and was a foot under the target it's tough out here man
You really beat yourself up over this stuff, and you may have some people thinking that this is a farce, however when a person is falling trees the tipping with a wedge 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch at the base can be 6 to 10 ft depending on height of the tree.
Hay eric thanks for all you videos... but can you do a very very simple load development video... basic step by step... every body goes on and on and take way to much jargen...
So you guys lock your rifle into basically a shop vice block? Is this that so called rail gun type of shooting? Just seems weird to me. Might as well add molded wedges to clamp down on the stock so it really won’t move after shot.
But why did the grease variabel open up the group? Did the grease make it so the rifle became more sensetive to outside vibrations from your pulse ect? Harmonics?
I reckon by having the grease it's introducing very little muzzle jump
It is difficult to believe the results of your test. Do you think that you can duplicate this test to see if the result will duplicate itself. As they say "one swallow does not make a summer" Always enjoy your video's.