Imagine Steyn didn’t come and make corrections he did. Will this not have an impact in this high profile case?? How many wrong info has been forwarded to courts and people convicted on wrong info given by the so called experts. 🤷♀️
Wrong info and cooked cases just for police and prosecutors to get promoted. I would ask for all cases that Gininda investigated and Baloyi prosecuted and got convictions to be reviewed
I don't think so, I suspect they wrote it for him. How can he say "I didn't read my affidavit or statement?" . If you write anything, you'll read it while writing
if the statement/affidavit wrote or made by him "he should know them by heart because he is the deponent in the document" everything is being orchestrated by Baloyi and Gininda, as for my lord he only opens mouth big for chomp 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's possible for him to understand better his the prosecutor he needs to be clear with everything it's just that at times we listen and understand things the way we feel not the way things should be.
Allegedly: Cooking, Cooking And cooking, Then Re-Called To Come And Clarify The Menu Used, Then You Come With Cooked Documents And Continue Cooking, Cooking and Cooking. THEN YOU REALISE THAT YOU COOKED NONSENSE AND ITS CALLED 26 FEET UNDER 🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮
What i realized is when mnisi was giving him the paper he said something which showed that he is coached he answered that he knows he is going to show him date that the statement was commissioned and i knew from the that he was coached
5:02:26, Ratha blink to the witness and immediately the witness start to say he cant take it anymore. It looks like a sign to say when i blink you should try to be rude or angry so that we may change subject or try to adjourn as it will be difficult for you to co e out of it. We need to go back to the initial blink of previous witness and check what follows after his blinking like a sign to the witness
Mngo already closed the case when he asked Steyn that PDF can't be edited but Excel can be edited hence Steyn used Excel to do the findings Steyn agreed to that
Is it me or Steyn is lying to the court? At 1:08:20 he first said he received the spreadsheet. Then at around 1:19:20 he says he is the one who created the spreadsheet.
@@levelgroundboerboels4183 What do you mean? Do you understand my question? Steyn said the Excell was given to him, then said he created it. I put the time stamps where he says both these things. You can click on the time on my comment and it will take you to that moment. So in simple terms I am asking which one is it? So ngithi ke mina lomlungu or ibhunu uzoqamba amanga enkantolo efungile. Wena uthini?
But the state was warned that recalling Steyn was a bad idea. How many typing errors got innocent people convicted heeee Steyn maara! I don't have words to describe this 😮Im shocked.😳
The way Ratha nods his head when a witness says something ,raises a lot of questions .I think he has already made up his decision to find these guys guilty mxxxm.Biased judge
Let's wait until the end you will be shocked by that what you think it is its not, the defence is trying to drag things unnecessary these people know each other there was no way among mullions of South Africans they will be just picked and chosen and the question is for what if they are not guilty.
Knowingneachnother doesn't mean they killed Senzo. The state not yet proves beyond reasonabke doubt that 5 accused were in that SPAZA house. Cellphone data didn't prove it and DNA failed to put them on the ceime scene. Knowing each other doesn't prove the case
did i hear judge qualifying the answer of witness even before the witness closing a mouth 🥴 wow judge he was already shaking his head as a lead gesture for witness to follow. Ratha Mokgoatlheng you are a disgrace to our justice and the oldies of your peers. joooooooooooooooo
You can reaaly see this judge already have the judgement somewhere hidden in his locker, ready to improson these guys. He looks so bored whenever the defense lawyers are cross-examining.
Does the law allow such corrections to protect cover the short falls if the state.Will this correction be allowed if it is from the accused who are framed
The defence should get their own expert to prove styn wrong beside that nothing will change, in court talking without fact or evidence doesn't help in the meantime the defence team is just singing and wasting time.
This is totally injustice and Adv Mnisi his completely 💯 correct by calling a spade a spade. No one with their clear mind will add one day to a past day to qualify a yesterday to be today, that also applies to the time "time passed" can't be added because if you added another time it'll have overlapping period. That's why the state and its witness can't explain it. This is a courtroom is not a soccer field were they added time, whenever there's a time lost, because they are govern by time period to complete the match. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Cooking gone wrong
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 u a mine and am yours 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 u belong to me, and i belong to you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. He forgot that he is no longer a police officer and his not in his house he can't command anybody 😂😂😂😂😂 leburu ke leburu ha le no kgotlella braai stand 🔥 ya dakkie 😂😂😂😂😂 mofraye Mnisi
Am I the only one to note the justice delayed and justice denied. Why is case taken the celebrity route. What kind of justice is this and such clownish show. Waste of public resources. Attorneys are getting rich
The way Ratha responds to Baloyi objecting about the cross examination the Ram's is doing, Ratha just says let him go on it's fine...i look at him and his expressions says he has made up his mind that the accused are guilty.
I see most of you are saying mnisi is doing excellent, he has not done anything to discredit the calls between Kelly and Ntuli. The court, at the end of the day will not read into the mistake the witness has made, since there were no calls after the incident, the application by the state was for steyn to clarify the calls that were made between Ntuli and Kelly, the witness has done that, the mistake has nothing to do with the calls, it only tells you that it was an error that line
Dakiwe wena wich calls coz vodacom has no such colls😂😂😂. Vodacom provides 205 not Steyn and Ginyinda. Vodacom mamma stated clearly that those two calls are to different numbers which are reflecting on their data base😂😂😂. Aurthur mafokate is one of the people called on those disputed dates. Steyn has said it was a typing error meaning he agree that no such cols by Ntuli exist.
Exactly bro , they are asking him everything else but not what he came for . I thought they would want to go straight to the point and ask about the calls they say never happened.
This case is gonna take 5 years until justice is served or people involved are going to pass away (Natural causes)_ I am no law expert nor an advocate. However, the case will at least have direction once everyone whom was in the house on the day of the incident are cross examined.
And always hitting his pen on the desk .Thats clear he is not listening to cross examination at all . But i tell u constitution court will humble them🤞🤞🤞
He does seem to care what the defence is saying,it's I material to him, judgement is already made in this case.The defence must start preparing for appeal.
Corrections as they go, state prosecutor not ready with the tria but Ratha is alliwing the NONSENSE happening on his watch. Hayi keeee,, os the court of Judge Rathavernl
uMnisi no Zandile knows very well that Mncube killed our goal keeper and uNtuli was a co ordinator, they just doing their job as abameli, these guy's are guilty, well done Mr Stayne, Mr Baloyi you such a wonderful person ❤uthobekile sele beku provoker Mnisi shame
Guys... please educate me. Does time ever change in certain aspects? If I'm killed at 10h20 will they add 2hrs and say I was killed at 12h20. Yhooooo satafrika is a scam😂😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine Steyn didn’t come and make corrections he did. Will this not have an impact in this high profile case?? How many wrong info has been forwarded to courts and people convicted on wrong info given by the so called experts. 🤷♀️
Wrong info and cooked cases just for police and prosecutors to get promoted. I would ask for all cases that Gininda investigated and Baloyi prosecuted and got convictions to be reviewed
Mngooo already foresaw this and was asked if ke prophet,leburu is misbehaving just like le 78 he wont come back 2mr🚮Defens' doing the Lord's work🔥🥳💐
Indeed he is not coming back
@@softangler3040 haha he already told us
Am not off sick😂
Leburu is not coming back 2moro
@@vusimgenge3635 hahaha you are
Seemingly Baloyi understands Steyn's documents better than the Author... Did Steyn really write those documents himself??
I don't think so, I suspect they wrote it for him. How can he say "I didn't read my affidavit or statement?" . If you write anything, you'll read it while writing
Axactly my point🤣
if the statement/affidavit wrote or made by him "he should know them by heart because he is the deponent in the document" everything is being orchestrated by Baloyi and Gininda, as for my lord he only opens mouth big for chomp 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's possible for him to understand better his the prosecutor he needs to be clear with everything it's just that at times we listen and understand things the way we feel not the way things should be.
Khona lapho,,,,kushsushu e Kitche. Baloyi was the one testifying😂😂😂
Mnisi is doing excellent. Leading Steyn to mock his own evidence.
Why so many corrections haibo this case it's a joke...I feel sorry for Senzo family...The state and police they failed this family
The defense have changed their strategy which is to ignore the Judge and also separate their roles to reduce and avoid conflict within defense
Allegedly: Cooking, Cooking And cooking, Then Re-Called To Come And Clarify The Menu Used, Then You Come With Cooked Documents And Continue Cooking, Cooking and Cooking.
THEN YOU REALISE THAT YOU COOKED NONSENSE AND ITS CALLED 26 FEET UNDER 🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮
Too much spices on the Potjikos mixed with Beerroot and Mayonise. Wishiwishi
@@christinamoila5644 😂😂😂 Don't Kill Me 😂😂😂😂😂
Styen : I don't know
It's a typing error
It's a wrong one
I'm done
This guy is undermining the court
And the court is allowing it!!!
How?
They cooking together with the court if this was another judge
They cooking together with the court if this was another judge
They cooking together with the court if this was another judge
Ratha please learn to listen to. You always love when people listen to you.
And he knows everything 😅
He's not taking anything from defence because his judgement is already prepared so no need for him to listen. allegedly
It was hard for Steyn; the Chef Baloi tried to testify to help out but it was too much
Mr Mnisi🥳🥳
When Mnisi says I am not asking you question yesterday I am asking the question now!😂😂😂
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@@lungisanindodenhle7629 I died🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂 athi sila today...
Typing error 🤭. Steyn nizoboshwa yaz, lying under oath.
We doing the corrections 😅.
What i realized is when mnisi was giving him the paper he said something which showed that he is coached he answered that he knows he is going to show him date that the statement was commissioned and i knew from the that he was coached
I wonder how many innocent ppl were sent to jail through Steyn and Baloyi’s cooking of evidence 🤔
😂😂😂 Mr Steyn its difficult to maintain lies
5:02:26, Ratha blink to the witness and immediately the witness start to say he cant take it anymore. It looks like a sign to say when i blink you should try to be rude or angry so that we may change subject or try to adjourn as it will be difficult for you to co e out of it. We need to go back to the initial blink of previous witness and check what follows after his blinking like a sign to the witness
I have been noticing that
I thought i was the only one who saw that
Legay eliwuRatha liyangibhora shidi!!
Colonel Steyn is not well.. he is tired the kitchen is burning 🔥🔥🔥... And no one is coming to rescue
Baloyi tried but Mnisi was not taking it
Mngomezulu is correct with the 04 November 2013 . I have verified that information.
Mngo already closed the case when he asked Steyn that PDF can't be edited but Excel can be edited hence Steyn used Excel to do the findings
Steyn agreed to that
Is it me or Steyn is lying to the court? At 1:08:20 he first said he received the spreadsheet. Then at around 1:19:20 he says he is the one who created the spreadsheet.
Ntsumantsumane mntase 😅
Its you. He is in fact the one who created the spreadsheet from the PDF
@@levelgroundboerboels4183 What do you mean? Do you understand my question? Steyn said the Excell was given to him, then said he created it. I put the time stamps where he says both these things. You can click on the time on my comment and it will take you to that moment. So in simple terms I am asking which one is it? So ngithi ke mina lomlungu or ibhunu uzoqamba amanga enkantolo efungile. Wena uthini?
@@nkanyisontuli714abanye azi time stamp isebenza kanjani xolela😂
I want to hear who's number ending 902
get to the point Mnisi
don't waste time
Mnisi has slowly been getting arrogant and I blame Ratha for that . He’s head is blown up now , he never gets to the point of he’s argument
It's clear that steyn has no knowledge of this document because its baloyi's baby
You tired go and sleep
Kanter what is going on mo pilapila
But the state was warned that recalling Steyn was a bad idea. How many typing errors got innocent people convicted heeee Steyn maara! I don't have words to describe this 😮Im shocked.😳
Stop taking bribes guys u see how bo Ratha are behaving now😂😂😂. Baloi vele is corrupt i know him personally 😂😂😂😂
Which means u are corrupt too..hw u know him ..?
@@RanjiniThukulukanam 😀😀😀 definitely
Mbi ke nakulentsini yakhe, etsho ngokunyepha nje
With a friend like you he has a friend indeed…………
You will get arrested for lying wena
The way Ratha nods his head when a witness says something ,raises a lot of questions .I think he has already made up his decision to find these guys guilty mxxxm.Biased judge
Ucishe wakhala u Baloyi😂😂
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Why is this judge not dismissing thus case, everything here is cooked, even a fool can see
How?
Let's wait until the end you will be shocked by that what you think it is its not, the defence is trying to drag things unnecessary these people know each other there was no way among mullions of South Africans they will be just picked and chosen and the question is for what if they are not guilty.
Knowingneachnother doesn't mean they killed Senzo. The state not yet proves beyond reasonabke doubt that 5 accused were in that SPAZA house. Cellphone data didn't prove it and DNA failed to put them on the ceime scene.
Knowing each other doesn't prove the case
Ngoba Ratha wadli mali ka Chicco naye remember 35 million rands was the budget😂😂😂 .
@@buhlezulu3230 Education is free nowadays 😂😂😂😂
Steyn is not going to come back tomorrow. Tonight is a braai for him and it is amen
Ewu kumatima kule case! 😮
Bayo muthethisa tonight
did i hear judge qualifying the answer of witness even before the witness closing a mouth 🥴 wow judge he was already shaking his head as a lead gesture for witness to follow. Ratha Mokgoatlheng you are a disgrace to our justice and the oldies of your peers. joooooooooooooooo
And the way the judge is happy wen the witness is being rude towards the defence yooo
4:23:20 Advocate Mnisi kills me with, “haai lonlungu ngathi akangizwa!”
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In years to come this case will be case study and many will use it
You can reaaly see this judge already have the judgement somewhere hidden in his locker, ready to improson these guys. He looks so bored whenever the defense lawyers are cross-examining.
Typing errors can put some one life in jail steyn😢
Mmm True😢
I wonder how many peop are behind bars because of this Ratha, Steyn and Baloyi
This anger is because of cooking information. Steyn is terrible as a witness. He is being defensive because of his guilty conscious.
Does the law allow such corrections to protect cover the short falls if the state.Will this correction be allowed if it is from the accused who are framed
There's no Law in this, the court itself is a crime scene
😂😂😂😂@@Shalom-g6p
😂😂😂😂lol
The defence should get their own expert to prove styn wrong beside that nothing will change, in court talking without fact or evidence doesn't help in the meantime the defence team is just singing and wasting time.
@@Shalom-g6p😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 100% ✓😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
How did Steyn get this so wrong such that even towers must be changed😠
It's because lies have short legs.
This judge eish the way my heart bleeds
Man's tired of this bs he cooked 😂😂they should have let him go. There is nothing he can do to salvage his testimony
Still waiting for mlungu
That exhibit O1 is from Baloyi and Gininda and he is afraid to mention their names.
How many wrong documents the judge will allow in order for Styn to have write documents or to put his house in order.
Steyn wanted to say fck my lord ugininda lo ongifake kulenyakanyaka😅😅
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Ur cooking went wrong help before he say all this done by Gininda 😂😂😂😂
The patience from Mnisi was amazing 👏
Are you available tomorrow Col, "YES if I'm not off sick" 😂😂😂
Hebanna😂😂😂that one, weeeeee
@@christinamoila5644he's not coming back tomorrow that one 😂😂
Loool
We don't need your Cooper nor your bosop. Check the facts first. Mngomezulu is in effect quoting correct government gazette.
Haibooooo Rathaaa behave
How is converting pdf data to excel help you explain to court? Can't you explain in the pdf format?
We are tired of this bulldusts. Please come out with the truth. We need to let these families get closure.❤❤
This is totally injustice and Adv Mnisi his completely 💯 correct by calling a spade a spade. No one with their clear mind will add one day to a past day to qualify a yesterday to be today, that also applies to the time "time passed" can't be added because if you added another time it'll have overlapping period. That's why the state and its witness can't explain it. This is a courtroom is not a soccer field were they added time, whenever there's a time lost, because they are govern by time period to complete the match. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Cooking gone wrong
Gininda assist Mlungu fast fast
😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂 it agent
Styn is now throwing tantrums
What a joke of a court
Mnisi 😂 they have a tendency of tearing things up
Why is Ratha being so annoyed?😡
He's always annoyed wen defence is talking
Things are not going as planned that's what irritating my lord 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 defence always missed up their plans.
Ratha is irritated because he took the money prior to execute the job and niw the old man is so frustrated and confused. Pay back the money. ALLEGEDLY
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 u a mine and am yours 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 u belong to me, and i belong to you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. He forgot that he is no longer a police officer and his not in his house he can't command anybody 😂😂😂😂😂 leburu ke leburu ha le no kgotlella braai stand 🔥 ya dakkie 😂😂😂😂😂 mofraye Mnisi
Am I the only one to note the justice delayed and justice denied. Why is case taken the celebrity route. What kind of justice is this and such clownish show. Waste of public resources. Attorneys are getting rich
Ratha a state witness 😂
Limqotho lelo😂
I've never seen such nonsense, person lies, come back again to lie again 🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮mxm this is b$$shit of case
So uyalazi iqiniso - ke wena bafo
Akubukeki kodwa umuntu omdala emane esineka e court,nxaa
The way Ratha responds to Baloyi objecting about the cross examination the Ram's is doing, Ratha just says let him go on it's fine...i look at him and his expressions says he has made up his mind that the accused are guilty.
Here we go again phesukwakhe uyaganga umlungu
Steyn is Patching pot holes😂😂!!We Mnisi😂😂
I see most of you are saying mnisi is doing excellent, he has not done anything to discredit the calls between Kelly and Ntuli. The court, at the end of the day will not read into the mistake the witness has made, since there were no calls after the incident, the application by the state was for steyn to clarify the calls that were made between Ntuli and Kelly, the witness has done that, the mistake has nothing to do with the calls, it only tells you that it was an error that line
So mnisi doesn't know that as defence just asking I'm a lay person don't kill me
Ngokwakho ukubuka nokulandela lelicala labasolwa ba involve ekufeni kuka Senzo ? Just a question
Dakiwe wena wich calls coz vodacom has no such colls😂😂😂. Vodacom provides 205 not Steyn and Ginyinda. Vodacom mamma stated clearly that those two calls are to different numbers which are reflecting on their data base😂😂😂. Aurthur mafokate is one of the people called on those disputed dates. Steyn has said it was a typing error meaning he agree that no such cols by Ntuli exist.
I do not agree with you.
Exactly bro , they are asking him everything else but not what he came for . I thought they would want to go straight to the point and ask about the calls they say never happened.
RATHA WINKING AT STYN😮😮😮😮WHEN MNISI IS REPRIMANDING HIM NOT TO COMMUNICATE WITH MNISI
This court is a circus 😂😂😂😂
This case is gonna take 5 years until justice is served or people involved are going to pass away (Natural causes)_
I am no law expert nor an advocate. However, the case will at least have direction once everyone whom was in the house on the day of the incident are cross examined.
That's why Cas 375 is not wanted in court because it has all the evidence of what happened that day. Cas 636 is just a soapie
I wonder where are Khumalo dunder heads Steyn wants Kelly down let them come again and point ntanzi
But have you guys realise that Ratha is not making any notes under cross examination?
Not at all and that worries me, he is definitely sending these innocent people in this case to jail
And always hitting his pen on the desk .Thats clear he is not listening to cross examination at all . But i tell u constitution court will humble them🤞🤞🤞
This man already took a decision on this case long time, judging by his reaction he is siding with the state and witness
He does seem to care what the defence is saying,it's I material to him, judgement is already made in this case.The defence must start preparing for appeal.
Steyn wants to change his towers to pinkie's
This is a really damaged control by recalling Steyn now he's ratifying his statement
Mngomezulu: That's VERY brilliant😭😭😭
This case should be thrown out of court because it doesn't make sense at all
To you
To Ratha as judge it's make sense... Let's wait until
@@SonOfTheSoil834to us
@@njabulojb2994 shame 🤦♂️
Corrections as they go, state prosecutor not ready with the tria but Ratha is alliwing the NONSENSE happening on his watch. Hayi keeee,, os the court of Judge Rathavernl
uMnisi no Zandile knows very well that Mncube killed our goal keeper and uNtuli was a co ordinator, they just doing their job as abameli, these guy's are guilty, well done Mr Stayne, Mr Baloyi you such a wonderful person ❤uthobekile sele beku provoker Mnisi shame
You need to attend E Takalani,if you don't see anything wrong or check yourself at Tara Hospital
uyagula wena
Then you either naive or trying to convince yourself
@Luyanda,uyagula wena 😅😅😅get the fact straight! abambulalanga Senzo labo accused,Inkinga iyodwa, vele abanye sebagwetshwa,but angivumi nami, ababesendlini abalandwe, bayeke ukusisanganisa.😢😢
What a circus sa has become. DA will eventually take over and maybe do a better job if they discard apartheid tendencies
Ratha is officially a state witness
Ama affidavit mele abe lestart and finish date.
Moleleki is near Khesine hostel and Phake is not near hostel both Moleleki and Phake is Katlehong
Ratha is Rude Mnisi is talking yena is talking to Baloyi while he is busy no maarn Baba kabani lo
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Devil is a liar
"5 judges" " as i understood it" 🙄🚮
This judge is part of the cooking
Baloyi please Angola Luanda
Corrections corrections class🤦🏾🤔
Ratha is messing up
"Mr Typing Error"
😂😂😂 04:23:20 Mnisi, "hhei lomlungu ngathi akangizwa" 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
When eat someonesmoney thinking the job will be easy abobaloyi banoratha
Bathathe Mnisi wemvula😂😂😂
Hallelujah typing error
Guys... please educate me. Does time ever change in certain aspects? If I'm killed at 10h20 will they add 2hrs and say I was killed at 12h20. Yhooooo satafrika is a scam😂😂😂😂😂😂
I used to work with CCTV record reviewing and yes you always need to add 2 hours and Steyn said the same applies with telephone usage analysis.
Time indicates GMT or CAT in South Africa we use CAT so all the calls are according to CAT which is Central African Time. So Steyn is lying.
Do you know about GMT and CAT?
SA is 2 hours ahead of GMT / UTC ... Universal time . Some countries are much further or behind....so you either have to add or subtract .
Udakiwe lo steyn😂😂😂 Vodacom records real time not cctv times😂😂😂
Baloyi usaba ukuthi kuzovela ukuthi uyena ophekayo la uzama ukusiza Styn😂😂 kodwa mnje naye umsiza ngendlela ewrong ngoba unovalo
This man will not comeback 😂😂😂😂😂
Udakiwe,wait and see
Leburu le ngadile, ziyaporoma ku loudspeaker
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Steyn is indeed from the Garden Route, uva ngesisngesi sakhe sokugeza kwabo!!
Lol, not the garden route🤣🤣🤣
Steyn is a desperate liar😂😂😂😂😂
MR RATHA THE P OFF ANGOLA GET PROBLEM OFF MR.BALOYI
All is cooking @malema come n help
Steyn wants to go home. 😂
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Pinky sold this 😂😂