I use Automix all the time for dialogue in Musical Theatre (Not singing). Certainly helps clean up a mix in super fast back and forth conversations and makes it impossible to miss lines if cast go off script. A trick I do is that I'll have all my dialogue mics in a Automix group AND a pink noise source that is not routed anywhere. When everyone goes quiet, the pink source grabs priority and drags all the other mics down so that you have a VERY quiet noise floor. This helps clean up the dialogue sub mix that gets sent to our recordings.
Me, too! So helpful, and the better the AMMs get, the less we have to do line-by-line (which is super helpful in non-Broadway environs where things can be really different every show!). One of the things I love about the Allen and Heath desks is that the AMM status can be changed with a scene cue. So when I build the scenes for a musical, I have the AMM kick on for the dialog scenes, and then kick back off as soon as we hit a song. Having said that, one exception to the “don’t auto-mic-mix singers” rule is when you have two singers in a duet standing right next to each other (or facing each other), but only one is singing at a time. Ordinarily you have to start flipping mics back and forth to avoid bleed from the non-singing person’s mic, but judicious use of an AMM there keeps you from having to fader-juggle. I like to keep a soft-key on the mixer surface tagged to the AMM so I can pull it in and out as needed.
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10:51 did you just rick roll your entire following!? 😂 Great video, appreciated learning more of what is happening under the hood and some workflow tips!
Every guy that has said: "I don't use an automixer, I mix with my ears".... 😵 they clearly don't even know what an automixer does, and now I can send them this video! Thanks Michael!
Used his hardware for a rather large install circa 2005. Much better than the Shure auto mixers I was used to. Software released from hardware really open things up. 😂
I've never really understood how to use the automixer that came with the x32. I have a panel session happening this Sunday at church and I'm looking forward to testing out what I learned on the automixer at this event. Its a good proving ground to test these kinds of things.
Just an Update from Sunday. I had deployed 4 wireless mics out for the panelists and audience and used the Automixer and set all four to “X’ and it was a godsend! I was able to see the automixer working to make sure the gain is shared accordingly. I will definitely use this again for more events that require panelists. Thanks for the tip.
Thanks for the vid! You mentioned we should ensure we're giving the automixer consistent level. How do you feel about using a vocal rider to feed an automixer? Funny story: I figured out how automix works the service after a big drama event my university chapel. Safe to say i felt stupid 😂.
Its kind of a 'multi-gate' tho innit? I was trying to conceive how this could be recreated with a daw. Wouldnt a series of input channels, with an identical number of aux busses, set in a mix-minus configuration, respectively... where the dynamics of each input channel dynamics key input is comprised by each of those mix minuses, on a 1-1 basis... and applied to a cannel strip compressor, and dialed in correctly.. yield the same result?
The Yamaha works very well. I haven't used the Behringer because most of the shows I'm doing more bands inputs than speaking and you would have to put your auto mixed mics on the first 8. Really wish they would make it patchable or the upper channels. Each console seems to have its quirks but I think they all work well once you figure those out.
I’ve used it recently on Allen and heath and it’s SUPER simple. Actually added it during an event where I didn’t expect 3 open headsets in front of the PA for a panel at the end. DLive, Avantis, and SQ have it (I can’t remember if it’s an added license for SQ)
I use Automix all the time for dialogue in Musical Theatre (Not singing). Certainly helps clean up a mix in super fast back and forth conversations and makes it impossible to miss lines if cast go off script.
A trick I do is that I'll have all my dialogue mics in a Automix group AND a pink noise source that is not routed anywhere. When everyone goes quiet, the pink source grabs priority and drags all the other mics down so that you have a VERY quiet noise floor. This helps clean up the dialogue sub mix that gets sent to our recordings.
I also really wish we could have the XM32 do more than 8ch's. Or at least make them easily reassign able to other channel slots.
Yes, the pink noise trigger is a KILLER trick I forgot to mention! Thanks for sharing that here.
Me, too! So helpful, and the better the AMMs get, the less we have to do line-by-line (which is super helpful in non-Broadway environs where things can be really different every show!). One of the things I love about the Allen and Heath desks is that the AMM status can be changed with a scene cue. So when I build the scenes for a musical, I have the AMM kick on for the dialog scenes, and then kick back off as soon as we hit a song.
Having said that, one exception to the “don’t auto-mic-mix singers” rule is when you have two singers in a duet standing right next to each other (or facing each other), but only one is singing at a time. Ordinarily you have to start flipping mics back and forth to avoid bleed from the non-singing person’s mic, but judicious use of an AMM there keeps you from having to fader-juggle. I like to keep a soft-key on the mixer surface tagged to the AMM so I can pull it in and out as needed.
Great theater pro tip here,@@snorklewacker ! Makes a lot of sense.
and... Michael just Rick Rolled us all. 😊
I just couldn't resist :D!
You have a gift of being clear, not “sales”, and concise. I believe this is because you don’t rush because you actually know what you are talking about and have enough content to run you for days. Please inform these other youtube yahoos who simply pick one line out of a book from a topic they know nothing about and include ads in it. Thank you man!
10:51 did you just rick roll your entire following!? 😂
Great video, appreciated learning more of what is happening under the hood and some workflow tips!
I couldn't resist the Rick Roll :D
You're very welcome!
Every guy that has said: "I don't use an automixer, I mix with my ears".... 😵 they clearly don't even know what an automixer does, and now I can send them this video! Thanks Michael!
You got it!
Used his hardware for a rather large install circa 2005. Much better than the Shure auto mixers I was used to. Software released from hardware really open things up. 😂
I've never really understood how to use the automixer that came with the x32. I have a panel session happening this Sunday at church and I'm looking forward to testing out what I learned on the automixer at this event. Its a good proving ground to test these kinds of things.
Let me know how it goes!
Also and make sure all of the panel mics are in the same automix group. The Behringer mixer has two groups, X and Y.
Just an Update from Sunday. I had deployed 4 wireless mics out for the panelists and audience and used the Automixer and set all four to “X’ and it was a godsend! I was able to see the automixer working to make sure the gain is shared accordingly. I will definitely use this again for more events that require panelists. Thanks for the tip.
Thank you very much for this sir. This video is really going to impact my mixing 🙏🏿.
Beautiful insert.👌🏽
1 question. Is there maybe a Theatre dialogue use case for automixing?
Definitely. Use it for that often.
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Hi there. Does (AMM/dugan) work with stage monitor on aux send (pre/post). Any particular tip that I need to take note of? Thx
Thanks Michael, very useful video ! Greetings from France :)
You're very welcome : )
MD mic ducking the playback cues and ambient mics.. genius!
The term gain I associate with microphone head amps. I prefer the term spl before feedback.
Thanks for the vid! You mentioned we should ensure we're giving the automixer consistent level. How do you feel about using a vocal rider to feed an automixer?
Funny story: I figured out how automix works the service after a big drama event my university chapel. Safe to say i felt stupid 😂.
Its kind of a 'multi-gate' tho innit? I was trying to conceive how this could be recreated with a daw. Wouldnt a series of input channels, with an identical number of aux busses, set in a mix-minus configuration, respectively... where the dynamics of each input channel dynamics key input is comprised by each of those mix minuses, on a 1-1 basis... and applied to a cannel strip compressor, and dialed in correctly.. yield the same result?
Thanks! Is there any mixers you can recommend that has this option?
The Yamaha works very well. I haven't used the Behringer because most of the shows I'm doing more bands inputs than speaking and you would have to put your auto mixed mics on the first 8. Really wish they would make it patchable or the upper channels. Each console seems to have its quirks but I think they all work well once you figure those out.
I’ve used it recently on Allen and heath and it’s SUPER simple. Actually added it during an event where I didn’t expect 3 open headsets in front of the PA for a panel at the end. DLive, Avantis, and SQ have it (I can’t remember if it’s an added license for SQ)
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My LPF Is 115hz & HPF Is 30Hz..What Is The Middle Frequency That I Boost Little Bit..
63Hz or so.
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How to calculate and find centre frequency
I didnt realize the DM moved it to post only. I often use it pre fade so its more consistent and FX sends are affected also, if there are any.
So then do you just have it follow the mute for transitions or moving between speakers?