Dear @ETAPRIME , regarding the use of framegen in tests / benchmarking: It is not that it is useless (when playing the game), it is that it is hard to actually feel what raw performance the chip has. It is so difficult to deduct what the numbers actually represent. So please, if you can, show us are just the raw performance, as everyone knows, if they need more FPS (being showed) they can always turn on that option.
Indeed. With FSR and frame gen it's telling me little because who knows what it's doing and at what internal resolution. Too many variables. Please simply run 900p or 1080p (or higher) native depending on performance with no scaling.
I agree with you, but as frame gen and upscaling start to take serious advantage from upcomming AI integrated into the CPU/GPU's the tech is already slowly getting better with each software update, so it's gonna be integrated into everything so there slowly won't be any "raw" performance number anymore as its gonna be deeply integrated with everything in the graphics engine. It's the same with these mobile multi processors. Intel already have a die where the ram is integrated into the die, and AMD is gonna do the same thing to make the Chips more efficient, so soon we won't talk about ram speed either cause its all gonna be integrated on one chip just like Apple with a Unified memory pool for everything. It's the future. It has its drawbacks of not being ugradeable but the price per unit is gonna get lower for the consumer as they will all compete in bringing you the best performance for the most affordable price for either a consumer product or more "Pro" targeted product with maximum C/GPU,ram and ssd in the same die.
Framegen is clearly a part of performance, so why not include it? The opposite is true; if it wasn't enabled, then most people would ask for benchmarks with it on
@@stefanfyhn4668It's for the purposes of having a meaningful control result against what frame gen adds on top of the raw performance of the chip. Not including the results just blurs what the chip is actually capable of. It's literally one more run of a benchmark, and of ETA PRIME is too lazy or incompetent to include it, then he's not really a serious benchmarker at all more than he is just a salesman for whatever latest mini-pc comes out from Ali Express.
When FrageGen is on it takes 40fps minus 10fps for the charge so it is 30fps+30 fps frame gen on, so thats why you see almos alll games doing that mat and hitting 60fps read a book and do your mats, plus IGPUs are meant to use FSR and FrameGen, funny a GPU have quadruple fps than NVIDIA with FrameGenX4 activated, haters gonna hate.
FSR in lower intense is okay. For example CP2077 at medium 1080p FSR Q. This is how I will run this game. FSR balanced is also okay if the frame rate will be too low (under 40-50) at FSR Q.
I think showing frame gen results is fine. Showing FG results and NOT showing results without FG is the problem. FG really obscures the actual performance of the chip, which is why we need results without FG to compare. Also, when you're working with base framerates in the 30's and 40's FG just doesn't work very well. If you're at 50+ then it's pretty nice as long as it's implemented well in the game.
Please benchmark without fsr or frame gen alongside your regular benchmark process. It doesn’t matter how much fps your getting if your Upscaling from 540P to barely get 70fps
I play on the previous gen mini PC. Its all in your head. I am an ancient gamer. I played the original Doom 320x240 ffs. I hang at the top of the boards in every shooter I play with this lil unit. With all the frame gen etc. Truth is you take my unit down to 720p? It doesn't need any of it.
I know it’s comparing apples and oranges but that’s been the case with Apple since the M1 came out. I think strix halo in a few months will take the mid GPU market.
It’s pretty awesome but igpu have always been trailing the discrete market. How long will it be until they can hit 3060Ti desktop levels. By then the 6060Ti will be at 4090 performance. So still far behind midrange.
Nowhere near the mid-range market. Don't forget, a 6700XT/3070 is considered mid-range these days, and this is nothing remotely close to that. This also falls considerably short of something like a 7600XT/4060-level GPU as well, so it's definitely taking over the entry level GPUs that're out, which is fine by me. :P
It is impossible to compare different APUs (or even the same APU at different wattages) with randomly chosen settings, therefore i don't find these videos helpful. I would like to see every game tested at 1080p, medium settings, no upscaling and no framegen. Only after i would like to see your suggested settings for each game to reach whatever result you like. I really like this channel and i would like to support it, but showing us both results is an essential step to become helpful.
I've been hyped for a proper APU, going on a decade now. The Ai Max 390 holds my interest the most and I'd love to see it's performance in illustration programs and gaming. One thing that needs to be said however is that, 1080p testing should always be done in native resolution with settings adjusted accordingly, not using FSR/DLSS and other nonsense. Most of us are interested in the raw power of a chip, not software gimmicks. To me personally it's like shrinkflation for hardware, with the manufacturer trying to tell me how much more I'm getting for the same** price.
Looking on Amazon a Ser9 is ~$1000 while a Ser8 is ~$630 for both with 32GB memory and 1TB SSD. So almost 1.6X the cost, how much performance difference? The ser6 is a 8 core vs 12 core but for gaming the biggest difference would be the GPU, the ser8 is a 780M vs 890M so I looked up a benchmark and found it is ~10% difference! That seems like a giant premium to get a small performance boost.
@@shahidkismat 680M is not that different than 780M in 7840/8845HS, something like 15-20%. But AFMF2 is valid. Only in games that not support FSR3.1 implementation. But the price is much lower if you just consider Raw Performance against driver features, like, 400$ to 630$ in cost to gain 15% gpu performance and AFMF2.
Would you consider putting Linux on all the machines your review and giving us the lowdown on how compatible and the performance of Linux on these mini PC machines?
@F1BERFRENZY Stats show Linux is gaining in popularity. Putting a big ETA spotlight on the Pros and Cons of both Linux in General AND Gaming on Linux might prod & wake up Game Developers to pay more attention to and fix gaming and non-gaming LInux issues. Additionally, my hunch is there is probably a bigger audience interested in running LInux (Proxmox, etc) on a mini PC as there are folks interested in over clocking a mini PC.
@F1BERFRENZY What are you talking about? I play online games all day on Linux. You mean COD, Fortnight and PUBG? Those are the only three things I know of, and those are blocked by the publishers.
This thing pulls a lot of power, handhelds can't afford that. It'll come down to perf/watt between AMD and Intel, because both have enough horsepower in their APUs to run new games, the question is which one will run those games better at 25W or less.
@@arekb5951 both if it already lose to Nvidia on the switch 2, Nintendo refused to raise the TDP from max 15W, so in term of efficiency, arm+nvidia still king, x86 just need too much juice
@@arekb5951 just compare it to other CPU with 680M/780M in case they're maxed out with plugged TDP. Actually it's just first CPU with this new 890M, sure they will make more lower power consumption model like Z1 E, and just wait for any brand releasing handheld model with 40.000 mAh like Ally X did then just consider buy or not.
Would need to test at at much lower wattages. Steamdeck maximum is 15W, other handhelds like the ROG Ally can do 35W but the battery life takes a massive hit. He had his TDP at 89W for this test.
Biggest problem is that none of this stuff comes down in price when it gets old, and retail is utterly absurd on everything these days... yeah, sure, that's neat and all, but with AMD's top chips, ya can get a cpu and gpu for cheaper than both of them together with all the compromises that entails. APUs used to be a great deal, now they're a luxury product
they are and always will be, no one has any interest to support low end markets. We dont need 12 core 24 thread cpu to run the igpu... you also dont need very expensive high density ram used in such systems. Yet thats what they do. Even when 8700G released its price never made sense. People hope that APU CPU combos will be the answer for 5 years and they will never be thats the reality.
Thats why i had to buy a ultrabook with the mx570, which is a little better than the 780m. Here in my country, due to the price of these APUs, we dont even have the option to get it, the price would be so high that nobody would buy. They dont even bring it to the country. If you are on a budget and need a graphics capable little machine, at least for me, theres no other option available. And due to nvidia discontinuing the mx series, that was the last option.
@@_iczyzy aye, because of the cost, most of these chips end up getting used in laptops with high end gpus anyhow, and the igpu is rarely utilized.. yeah, would be cool in a handheld, but a handheld is inherently a more temporary product than a pc, and paying close to a grand for something like that doesn't seem wise..
This is the APU that will make handheld gaming absolutely amazing and have powerful cpu capabilities. I’m excited to get these cores in a handheld powerful machine that can game and do everything a pc can.
Awesome video. Can you show the mini PC running not over clocked running the same PC games you showed. Also, so emulation on PS2, PS3, Xbox and Xbox 360.
I really dont see the point any more of watching ETA Prime. Provide vague information and doesnt reflect anything. Always using FSR or Frame gen despite the fact that many viewers mentioned that you shouldn't be using them as it doesnt reflect the raw performance for us as viewers. Or at least make them two segments. But clearly ETA prime doesnt care. The second vague thing here is you're not showing the Temp after this OC. The CPU could be cooking and we dont know!!
I’ll wait for other manufacturers. Can’t upgrade the RAM, and the high price killed it for me. Maybe Geekom or Minisforum will have their versions soon. And hopefully by that time, prices are lower.
In fact that the performance increase as much by making the RAM faster means that the RAM is still at 64 Bit. Performance is really great. Im interested how fast it will be with lower TDP, GPU overclocking and 8000MT/s RAM.
@@hubert3637 if you're getting 80 fps with frame gen you are not getting good frame rates, frame gen only helps games LOOK smoother not FEEL smother. Only after you already are getting 60 fps is it fine, but for me I need atleast 80 to begin with before i use frame gen. Edit: PS the artifacting you get from frame gen is way worse than FSR upscaling.
No. It's useless if it's not low latency. Adaptive resolution or FSR/XESS is fine because you can assume what its at. With frame gen, you add a bunch of latency and fake frames lol@@hubert3637
I don't get it, but it could just be me. I've been watching the recent rise of these mini PC's and I appreciate that any future upgrades are very limited as you'd expect with such a small size, but with only TB4 this SER9 is effectively already at its limit (if you ignore storage upgrades). No Oculink so no decent eGPU addon potential. Sure the 890M is great, at the moment, but this looks very much like a disposable machine, much like the same way mobile phones have been for many years. I know the desire for upgradability should mean going for a conventional style PC instead, but if they had included Oculink here you'd at least have some future eGPU upgrade path. Some of the recent mini PC releases over the past 6 months or so have either the Oculink connection or in the case of the Beelink GTI12/14 a PCIe x 8 slot for use with Beelink's eGPU solution. I think I was just hoping for some good future eGPU options. Oh well, I'll just keep on watching this space and see what comes along over the next 3-6 months.
Hi ETA, Great early access video on these devices. Did the motherboard allow you to adjust the FLCK/UCLK for the new memory speed? Also for a big overclock you should attempt Memory Tuning (Timings + UCLCK=MCLCK÷2), and Curve Optimizer (Undervolt = Overclock) to unleash most of the APU perf, should see around 20-30% more frames with safe OC, I've seen 50% more frames on some 780M APUs with some ASUS MOBO OC memory tuning presets as these things crave memory bandwidth, but all depends on what the BIOS allows you to tinker with.
you really need to enable pbo and especially enable a negative curve optimizer value, the cpu with boost higher at lower wattage. Then overclock and undervolt the igpu.
All the preparation for the tests was incredible, but unfortunately the framegeneration greatly hindered the reading of the results. FPS obtained through FSR, DLSS, and framegeneration compromised the result.
I have a feeling those new strix halo chips are only going to be in $1500+ laptops . And if they cram them in a handhelp pc. They're def going to be over a grand.
Whoever is concerned with the framegen option. (Just half the framerate/or make be minus the 40% of the total framerate) U ll get the performance without framegen.
A $200 5800x3d and $200 6700xt 12gb would smash in terms of value used. I’m awaiting handhelds with powerful apus like this 890m maybe next generation will be my time I want a powerful pc in a handheld switch like design.
Hey ETA. I picked one of these up and managed to overclock the RAM and GPU. I did find a place in BIOS to up the tdp to 65w. I know you mentioned the software you use (x86 tuning), but more how exactly did you set it to 89Watt? Any extra info on that would be appreciated.
I can’t wait to see the Ryzen AI Max 395+, 390, and 385. 40 CU’s for the 390 a 395+ and 32CU’s for the 385. Will ditch my current build if this is any indication of what’s to come. I’m always for looking for more efficient gaming.
You should not test with framegon because framegem - unlike FSR/DLSS is not a fixed variable. e.g. with FSR / DLSS running at performance mode the resolution is essentially halved (4k -> 1080p). So testing it that way tells you about the 1080p performance. But with framegen - it isnt equivalent to anything. There is no fix point. It could run at 10fps internally or 70fps. There is no relation. THATS why framegen is REALLY bad for reviews!
I would prefer if they used the denser memory chips so we could get a 48GB model and assign 16GB of memory to be a dedicated framebuffer for those higher res textures. Would be nice. :)
Modern APUs are dynamic. The "assigned" memory as Vram is just to have a minimal amount of memory *always ready* for graphics. So when you have 32GB total, with only 8GB assigned as Vram, if you are using only 16GB of memory for the system and exceed the 8GB, you are gonna end up using some free "system" ram (like it happens when you exceed your buffer's memory in a dedicated GPU), which performs exactly as the assigned vram because is literally the same memory. May be a performance hit if somehow you saturate the total 32GB and the CPU and iGPU start fighting over the memory, otherwise you can exceed easily the 8GB with not noticeable impact in performance, and in this level of performance where you are going to use agressive upscaling at 1080p or 1440p almost all the time, 8GB will be enough for a long time anyways.
4:02 it's 4346 score on the screen and u r saying something else... Anyway thx for the vid, APUs/SoCs will become even more popular in the future with possibility to add and upgrade/combine another not just GPU accelerator. AMD should have released feature to combine power of their APU iGPU + dedicated PCIE GPU loooong time ago in order to achieve much needed leverage over their competition. Now it looks Intel might grab that opportunity from AMD with their Arc GPUs before them.
Comments are taken over by people who want change but are unwilling to do it for themselves. Make your own videos and quit complaining. Btw fsr 1 runs better on ow than fsr 2. It’s not really optimized yet. Thank you for the video.
Please include Bluestacks Android Emulator Gaming in your tests. A lot of player use a PC to play Mobile games to prevent battery and hot. And to use mouse on FPS ;-) (always and advantage). Excellent Mini PC tnx for the review.
I'm not a gamester, but I'd like to know how well this 890M iGPU would handle the Denoise module in Lightroom Classic. I'm using a video card with an RX 580 chipset, and Denoise just about brings the video card to its knees.
I really don't get your obsession with 70+ FPS. People who are OK with IGPUs probs don't mind the 30 - 50 FPS range with some decent graphics levels and not the lowest
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Dear @ETAPRIME , regarding the use of framegen in tests / benchmarking:
It is not that it is useless (when playing the game), it is that it is hard to actually feel what raw performance the chip has. It is so difficult to deduct what the numbers actually represent.
So please, if you can, show us are just the raw performance, as everyone knows, if they need more FPS (being showed) they can always turn on that option.
Indeed. With FSR and frame gen it's telling me little because who knows what it's doing and at what internal resolution. Too many variables. Please simply run 900p or 1080p (or higher) native depending on performance with no scaling.
I agree with you, but as frame gen and upscaling start to take serious advantage from upcomming AI integrated into the CPU/GPU's the tech is already slowly getting better with each software update, so it's gonna be integrated into everything so there slowly won't be any "raw" performance number anymore as its gonna be deeply integrated with everything in the graphics engine. It's the same with these mobile multi processors. Intel already have a die where the ram is integrated into the die, and AMD is gonna do the same thing to make the Chips more efficient, so soon we won't talk about ram speed either cause its all gonna be integrated on one chip just like Apple with a Unified memory pool for everything. It's the future. It has its drawbacks of not being ugradeable but the price per unit is gonna get lower for the consumer as they will all compete in bringing you the best performance for the most affordable price for either a consumer product or more "Pro" targeted product with maximum C/GPU,ram and ssd in the same die.
Framegen is clearly a part of performance, so why not include it? The opposite is true; if it wasn't enabled, then most people would ask for benchmarks with it on
@@stefanfyhn4668It's for the purposes of having a meaningful control result against what frame gen adds on top of the raw performance of the chip. Not including the results just blurs what the chip is actually capable of. It's literally one more run of a benchmark, and of ETA PRIME is too lazy or incompetent to include it, then he's not really a serious benchmarker at all more than he is just a salesman for whatever latest mini-pc comes out from Ali Express.
When FrageGen is on it takes 40fps minus 10fps for the charge so it is 30fps+30 fps frame gen on, so thats why you see almos alll games doing that mat and hitting 60fps read a book and do your mats, plus IGPUs are meant to use FSR and FrameGen, funny a GPU have quadruple fps than NVIDIA with FrameGenX4 activated, haters gonna hate.
One day ETA will review a gpu without FSR and/or Frame gen, one day...
FSR fine, frame gen really irritating to see turned on.
I said it few times before aswell, but I lost my hope.
I mean to be the devils advocate on this specific chipset, it is designed for AI acceleration so I can see that view point.
FSR in lower intense is okay. For example CP2077 at medium 1080p FSR Q. This is how I will run this game. FSR balanced is also okay if the frame rate will be too low (under 40-50) at FSR Q.
I think showing frame gen results is fine. Showing FG results and NOT showing results without FG is the problem. FG really obscures the actual performance of the chip, which is why we need results without FG to compare. Also, when you're working with base framerates in the 30's and 40's FG just doesn't work very well. If you're at 50+ then it's pretty nice as long as it's implemented well in the game.
Please benchmark without fsr or frame gen alongside your regular benchmark process. It doesn’t matter how much fps your getting if your Upscaling from 540P to barely get 70fps
I play on the previous gen mini PC. Its all in your head. I am an ancient gamer. I played the original Doom 320x240 ffs. I hang at the top of the boards in every shooter I play with this lil unit. With all the frame gen etc. Truth is you take my unit down to 720p? It doesn't need any of it.
8:06 title here
lmao these comments are killing me
stop living then
We are really close to iGPUs being able to take over the mid-range GPU market.
Yeah, I think next generation will do it. Just need to up the CU count to 20+ and increase memory bandwidth to 8500mt+
I know it’s comparing apples and oranges but that’s been the case with Apple since the M1 came out.
I think strix halo in a few months will take the mid GPU market.
It’s pretty awesome but igpu have always been trailing the discrete market. How long will it be until they can hit 3060Ti desktop levels. By then the 6060Ti will be at 4090 performance. So still far behind midrange.
Nowhere near the mid-range market. Don't forget, a 6700XT/3070 is considered mid-range these days, and this is nothing remotely close to that. This also falls considerably short of something like a 7600XT/4060-level GPU as well, so it's definitely taking over the entry level GPUs that're out, which is fine by me. :P
@@imglidinhere An M3 max or soon to be M4 max along with the soon to be strix halo Soc will can replace midrange GPU’s.
"We Overclocked The New Radeon 890M iGPU And This Thing Is FAST!" and VERY VERY HOT
hid the temperature even in FurMark...
It is impossible to compare different APUs (or even the same APU at different wattages) with randomly chosen settings, therefore i don't find these videos helpful.
I would like to see every game tested at 1080p, medium settings, no upscaling and no framegen.
Only after i would like to see your suggested settings for each game to reach whatever result you like.
I really like this channel and i would like to support it, but showing us both results is an essential step to become helpful.
100% agree
The yuzu emulation did help me pick a pc during the flu we cannot mention.
Yes
I've been hyped for a proper APU, going on a decade now. The Ai Max 390 holds my interest the most and I'd love to see it's performance in illustration programs and gaming. One thing that needs to be said however is that, 1080p testing should always be done in native resolution with settings adjusted accordingly, not using FSR/DLSS and other nonsense. Most of us are interested in the raw power of a chip, not software gimmicks. To me personally it's like shrinkflation for hardware, with the manufacturer trying to tell me how much more I'm getting for the same** price.
Looking on Amazon a Ser9 is ~$1000 while a Ser8 is ~$630 for both with 32GB memory and 1TB SSD. So almost 1.6X the cost, how much performance difference? The ser6 is a 8 core vs 12 core but for gaming the biggest difference would be the GPU, the ser8 is a 780M vs 890M so I looked up a benchmark and found it is ~10% difference! That seems like a giant premium to get a small performance boost.
Good man. Research before purchase so that influencer like him can't screw with us
@@rick-lj9pc there is even the Trycoo HA-4 mini pc which costs 500€ on amazon here in germany
@@rick-lj9pc You can even pick an EQR6 7735HS for 400$
@@lucasgulild 7735HS has 680M and no AFMF support.
@@shahidkismat 680M is not that different than 780M in 7840/8845HS, something like 15-20%. But AFMF2 is valid. Only in games that not support FSR3.1 implementation.
But the price is much lower if you just consider Raw Performance against driver features, like, 400$ to 630$ in cost to gain 15% gpu performance and AFMF2.
Would you consider putting Linux on all the machines your review and giving us the lowdown on how compatible and the performance of Linux on these mini PC machines?
@F1BERFRENZY
Stats show Linux is gaining in popularity. Putting a big ETA spotlight on the Pros and Cons of both Linux in General AND Gaming on Linux might prod & wake up Game Developers to pay more attention to and fix gaming and non-gaming LInux issues. Additionally, my hunch is there is probably a bigger audience interested in running LInux (Proxmox, etc) on a mini PC as there are folks interested in over clocking a mini PC.
@F1BERFRENZY What are you talking about? I play online games all day on Linux. You mean COD, Fortnight and PUBG? Those are the only three things I know of, and those are blocked by the publishers.
ETA's head will explode when AMD releases 4 strix halo models in march and he gets 20 mini PCs to review in 1 week ...
Integrated graphics equal to a 3050 is pretty wild
3050 raster, so you have to add FSR+FrameGenX4 and you see quadruple the FPS than the popular 3050 3060 cards, haters gonna hate.
With 890M, next year's ultra book and PC handheld market look promise than ever
This thing pulls a lot of power, handhelds can't afford that. It'll come down to perf/watt between AMD and Intel, because both have enough horsepower in their APUs to run new games, the question is which one will run those games better at 25W or less.
And desktop?
@@arekb5951 both if it already lose to Nvidia on the switch 2, Nintendo refused to raise the TDP from max 15W, so in term of efficiency, arm+nvidia still king, x86 just need too much juice
@@arekb5951 just compare it to other CPU with 680M/780M in case they're maxed out with plugged TDP. Actually it's just first CPU with this new 890M, sure they will make more lower power consumption model like Z1 E, and just wait for any brand releasing handheld model with 40.000 mAh like Ally X did then just consider buy or not.
Would need to test at at much lower wattages. Steamdeck maximum is 15W, other handhelds like the ROG Ally can do 35W but the battery life takes a massive hit. He had his TDP at 89W for this test.
Biggest problem is that none of this stuff comes down in price when it gets old, and retail is utterly absurd on everything these days... yeah, sure, that's neat and all, but with AMD's top chips, ya can get a cpu and gpu for cheaper than both of them together with all the compromises that entails. APUs used to be a great deal, now they're a luxury product
they are and always will be, no one has any interest to support low end markets. We dont need 12 core 24 thread cpu to run the igpu... you also dont need very expensive high density ram used in such systems. Yet thats what they do. Even when 8700G released its price never made sense. People hope that APU CPU combos will be the answer for 5 years and they will never be thats the reality.
exactly, still see the older 680m igpu APU models selling at premium prices even now.
Thats why i had to buy a ultrabook with the mx570, which is a little better than the 780m. Here in my country, due to the price of these APUs, we dont even have the option to get it, the price would be so high that nobody would buy. They dont even bring it to the country. If you are on a budget and need a graphics capable little machine, at least for me, theres no other option available. And due to nvidia discontinuing the mx series, that was the last option.
@@_iczyzy aye, because of the cost, most of these chips end up getting used in laptops with high end gpus anyhow, and the igpu is rarely utilized.. yeah, would be cool in a handheld, but a handheld is inherently a more temporary product than a pc, and paying close to a grand for something like that doesn't seem wise..
Some APU's are luxury products.
Its like you guys want everything to be priced low so that innovation slow.
This is the APU that will make handheld gaming absolutely amazing and have powerful cpu capabilities. I’m excited to get these cores in a handheld powerful machine that can game and do everything a pc can.
I'm convinced eta is just a voice over at this point lol
Awesome video.
Can you show the mini PC running not over clocked running the same PC games you showed.
Also, so emulation on PS2, PS3, Xbox and Xbox 360.
I think he did so in his first look video three days ago. RUclips won't let me post the url here, but you can find it in the video description.
I cant wait for this apu to put on handheld next year
I really dont see the point any more of watching ETA Prime. Provide vague information and doesnt reflect anything.
Always using FSR or Frame gen despite the fact that many viewers mentioned that you shouldn't be using them as it doesnt reflect the raw performance for us as viewers. Or at least make them two segments. But clearly ETA prime doesnt care.
The second vague thing here is you're not showing the Temp after this OC. The CPU could be cooking and we dont know!!
That TimeSpy score is similar to a GTX 1060. Gaming Performance I can't compare with these wild settings sometimes with, sometimes without FSR etc
Now strapped a passive big heatsink on it. Silence is gold.
Lol. When you benchmarked Tomb Raider, it just said "Title here". Good to know you're human!
Nice!!!
1080p with mid-high settings and 60FPS stable is enough
And some Linux distro for gaming.
1st is eta because he liked his own video 2nd is me 😂🎉
I’ll wait for other manufacturers. Can’t upgrade the RAM, and the high price killed it for me. Maybe Geekom or Minisforum will have their versions soon. And hopefully by that time, prices are lower.
ETA takes a lot of heat in his comments, but i do love where his head is at.
In fact that the performance increase as much by making the RAM faster means that the RAM is still at 64 Bit. Performance is really great. Im interested how fast it will be with lower TDP, GPU overclocking and 8000MT/s RAM.
Power limited= undervolting (curve optimiser) is your best way to more performance.
Well okay but what about the temperature?
You should really do out of the box setting too, I'd venture to say more people would prefer to know that.
Decent results, I wonder if it makes more sense to disable SMT rather than increasing the TDP.
This gives me hope for the Strix Halo series, can be a 1440p monster!
PLEASE dont use FSR or FG......so we can see the real FPS in native configuration
yes but do not resign for FG and FSR because I want to know how this iGPU is able to generate free frames. Its essential for average customer
@@hubert3637 if you're getting 80 fps with frame gen you are not getting good frame rates, frame gen only helps games LOOK smoother not FEEL smother. Only after you already are getting 60 fps is it fine, but for me I need atleast 80 to begin with before i use frame gen.
Edit: PS the artifacting you get from frame gen is way worse than FSR upscaling.
@@fillezzo that’s the point- game LOOKS better 👌👍
frame generation and upscaling is a future of handheld gaming
No. It's useless if it's not low latency. Adaptive resolution or FSR/XESS is fine because you can assume what its at. With frame gen, you add a bunch of latency and fake frames lol@@hubert3637
@@hubert3637 but it feels worse, you get more input lag. Its not the miracle you're hoping it to be.
I don't get it, but it could just be me. I've been watching the recent rise of these mini PC's and I appreciate that any future upgrades are very limited as you'd expect with such a small size, but with only TB4 this SER9 is effectively already at its limit (if you ignore storage upgrades). No Oculink so no decent eGPU addon potential. Sure the 890M is great, at the moment, but this looks very much like a disposable machine, much like the same way mobile phones have been for many years. I know the desire for upgradability should mean going for a conventional style PC instead, but if they had included Oculink here you'd at least have some future eGPU upgrade path. Some of the recent mini PC releases over the past 6 months or so have either the Oculink connection or in the case of the Beelink GTI12/14 a PCIe x 8 slot for use with Beelink's eGPU solution. I think I was just hoping for some good future eGPU options. Oh well, I'll just keep on watching this space and see what comes along over the next 3-6 months.
Yeah I'm very happy with my Um780XTX for that reason.
Shame your overlay did not show the temperature!
Otherwise great info regarding how to overclock this mini PC.
Hi ETA, Great early access video on these devices. Did the motherboard allow you to adjust the FLCK/UCLK for the new memory speed?
Also for a big overclock you should attempt Memory Tuning (Timings + UCLCK=MCLCK÷2), and Curve Optimizer (Undervolt = Overclock) to unleash most of the APU perf, should see around 20-30% more frames with safe OC, I've seen 50% more frames on some 780M APUs with some ASUS MOBO OC memory tuning presets as these things crave memory bandwidth, but all depends on what the BIOS allows you to tinker with.
I see it as having a built in PS4 Pro\Xbox One X with more modern features.
it'll be interesting to see if any minipcs like this will get the strux halo chips... and that price
Eta prime. Is they a plug and play game console for TV that plays ps3 games like transformers?
And you can put your coffee on top to keep it warm.
I cant wait for the Strix Halo 40 CU chips to come out.
its doubling the power though, kind of similar to entry nvidia laptops, which costs prob 1/4 price
but true still considered low power since equal machine would draw 300-350w, but not as impressive as 17w 370hx
you really need to enable pbo and especially enable a negative curve optimizer value, the cpu with boost higher at lower wattage. Then overclock and undervolt the igpu.
Cant wait to see on thin laptop..
Finally
I am gonna play on fortnite with 100 fps on thin laptop.
Linux and no FSR would make a great vid. Thanks!
ETA, FSR is not cheating, but it is more informative without it as not every game has FSR. I hope you understand.
Would have been nice to show before and after results for each game...
Do you plan to try this one with Bazzite??
Heck, this igpu is powerful but games used to look far sharper in the past. Now they look as if my eyes were all wrong and blurry
All the preparation for the tests was incredible, but unfortunately the framegeneration greatly hindered the reading of the results. FPS obtained through FSR, DLSS, and framegeneration compromised the result.
I have a feeling those new strix halo chips are only going to be in $1500+ laptops . And if they cram them in a handhelp pc. They're def going to be over a grand.
I am curious how this does with smaller LLMs running on Ollama. Models like the llama 3.2 3b and llama 3.1 8b...
@@user-ic6xf Same here, wonder how much memory can be allocated to the iGPU? Also hoping we see ROCm support for it!
BEAST !!! but now... what the price ???? mmmmmmm
What kind of temperatures are you seeing in all these games with it overclocked? Has it BSoD'd or rebooted or simply locked up at all?
The DDR5 Rams will most likely overheat after 10 minutes leading to massive frame drops.
Hunt Showdown 1896 would be interesting at 1080p and 1440p with and without FSR
Whoever is concerned with the framegen option. (Just half the framerate/or make be minus the 40% of the total framerate) U ll get the performance without framegen.
Framegen doesn't scale evenly in every game.
ETA PRIME Could you try out locking games to the 4 performance cores as a test?
Nice. but 1200$ too much. 5800H for 400$ is ok+EGPU
999, but still way too much. 700 best price/perf.
its just launch price, and its AI+iGPU big features, so thats why its expensive, just wait some time, or buy a RTX3060.
A $200 5800x3d and $200 6700xt 12gb would smash in terms of value used. I’m awaiting handhelds with powerful apus like this 890m maybe next generation will be my time I want a powerful pc in a handheld switch like design.
Would love to get me hands on one of those for linux testing.
i have ryzen 3 4300u mini pc and its plenty for linux testing, i would only get one of these when you want to game.
I would like the results here compared with results using lossless scaling when not overclocked.
I have had three different Blinks and they all have had issues. Just be careful folks.
I missed the link in the description to the video of the first look at this mini pc.
Whenever I see a video of Ghost of Tsushima I cringe because I'm used to seeing it in HDR
Can't wait
Now do this same testing with Bazzite!
Hey ETA. I picked one of these up and managed to overclock the RAM and GPU. I did find a place in BIOS to up the tdp to 65w. I know you mentioned the software you use (x86 tuning), but more how exactly did you set it to 89Watt? Any extra info on that would be appreciated.
I can’t wait to see the Ryzen AI Max 395+, 390, and 385. 40 CU’s for the 390 a 395+ and 32CU’s for the 385.
Will ditch my current build if this is any indication of what’s to come.
I’m always for looking for more efficient gaming.
still interesting to anticipate, would be best integrated gaming laptop for sure
You should not test with framegon because framegem - unlike FSR/DLSS is not a fixed variable. e.g. with FSR / DLSS running at performance mode the resolution is essentially halved (4k -> 1080p). So testing it that way tells you about the 1080p performance. But with framegen - it isnt equivalent to anything. There is no fix point. It could run at 10fps internally or 70fps. There is no relation. THATS why framegen is REALLY bad for reviews!
nice it should be close to a gtx 1060, can't wait to see it in a Handheld
I think it's more like a 1070 in many games
It seems to me that ETA PRIME is showing less specs or relevant informations in each new video... Maybe it is just my impression...🤔
Why you're hiding temps?
Because he's not a serious benchmarking channel. He just markets whatever they send him on his channel.
Because it caught on fire
So is this what will be in next generation handhelds like the ROG ally 2?
The Z2 extreme seems more likely to me, but who knows :)
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If it will be like with thr Z1 Extreme, it will be worse.
@@AndrewTSq AMD had already confirmed that "Z2" is releasing early 2025.
@@sandorbence2067 How is Z1 Extreme worse?
Can we see Linux on it?
0:14 Which keyboard is the one displayed in the intro?
What IS the TDP used in the benchmark of Time Spy please ?
I’m holding out for the upgraded strix halo desktop variant
I can't believe your reviews. There is an increase in frames, it seems to be 720p or less
I would prefer if they used the denser memory chips so we could get a 48GB model and assign 16GB of memory to be a dedicated framebuffer for those higher res textures. Would be nice. :)
Modern APUs are dynamic. The "assigned" memory as Vram is just to have a minimal amount of memory *always ready* for graphics. So when you have 32GB total, with only 8GB assigned as Vram, if you are using only 16GB of memory for the system and exceed the 8GB, you are gonna end up using some free "system" ram (like it happens when you exceed your buffer's memory in a dedicated GPU), which performs exactly as the assigned vram because is literally the same memory.
May be a performance hit if somehow you saturate the total 32GB and the CPU and iGPU start fighting over the memory, otherwise you can exceed easily the 8GB with not noticeable impact in performance, and in this level of performance where you are going to use agressive upscaling at 1080p or 1440p almost all the time, 8GB will be enough for a long time anyways.
I thought this was the new redesigned M4 Mac mini lol. I hope it looks something like this.
No hdr monitor ? Does the gpu handle hdr or its your monitor ?
How about to connect an external GPU? If so, how it works? - greetings from Austria 🇦🇹
this looks close to a gtx 3050
add FSR+FrameGenX4 and you see 3050 x 4 = performance.
Amazon sells for S$1,934.71 in asia.
That's like building a new high end pc 😂
4:02 it's 4346 score on the screen and u r saying something else... Anyway thx for the vid, APUs/SoCs will become even more popular in the future with possibility to add and upgrade/combine another not just GPU accelerator. AMD should have released feature to combine power of their APU iGPU + dedicated PCIE GPU loooong time ago in order to achieve much needed leverage over their competition. Now it looks Intel might grab that opportunity from AMD with their Arc GPUs before them.
Comments are taken over by people who want change but are unwilling to do it for themselves. Make your own videos and quit complaining. Btw fsr 1 runs better on ow than fsr 2. It’s not really optimized yet. Thank you for the video.
I miss the benchmarks in 3dmark night raid
What Keyboard is that you using ?
7:26 Ratchet was a PS5 exclusive. Of course it takes good hardware to run well.
Does Intel have a new iGPU with similar power specs as the 890M? The MSI Claw was kind of lame.
more expensive
they do have but it seems like the driver is unoptimized, only few games better than 890m others were really really far behind
Arc 140V from Lunal Lake chips
Man, why don't you record real audio from this mini pc? its single fan should sound awfully
I wonder if we can put an egpu because there are 2 SSD slots and we can use one for the SSD and why not the other for an oculink adapter?
Very nice.
But is it thermally limited? Sure, it runs these games well, but for how long before it heat-soaks?
4:00 you misread the timespy score as 3436 when its really 4396.
I would like to see benchmarks with Frame gen off
It's a Playstation 4 Pro GPU with a Playstation 6 Pro CPU.
Better than ps4 pro in GPU department.
Closer to series s.
I dont hate framegen, i just need to know its raw performance for relevancy sake so i can compare it with others ☹️
Please include Bluestacks Android Emulator Gaming in your tests. A lot of player use a PC to play Mobile games to prevent battery and hot. And to use mouse on FPS ;-) (always and advantage). Excellent Mini PC tnx for the review.
I'm not a gamester, but I'd like to know how well this 890M iGPU would handle the Denoise module in Lightroom Classic. I'm using a video card with an RX 580 chipset, and Denoise just about brings the video card to its knees.
I really don't get your obsession with 70+ FPS. People who are OK with IGPUs probs don't mind the 30 - 50 FPS range with some decent graphics levels and not the lowest
he never use lowest settings though, its very impressive for 75w machine
Tired of seeing Cyberjunk being used in benchmarks. Run these damn things on more modest games that people actually want to play