Been running a similar kitty deck for a while. I'm not a fan of Shuri adding her bonus on turn 6, even if it's an extra 2 points. I want my 18 power kitty pryde to be a moveable threat so I do Shuri Kitty on turn 5. Case-and-point on your match at 16:52 and the previous one with the danger room. Mitigated risks by having a buffed kitty in your hand already before turn 6. Also on your last battle... Your opponent countered your Shuri play because they knew where kitty was going.
Glad you showcased this deck again. After you showed it last time I managed to use it to get to Infinite that season, and got Infinite with it this season as well. It was already very strong and the Forge buff is really nice for it. Never saw anyone else use it either, it's crazy.
@@rowdeorolan5315 Honestly Polaris and Shang Chi (the version I used had Shang Chi instead of Chavez) are the 2 most unused cards in the deck, you could swap Polaris for anything really, I just mean me personally I wouldn't use Spiderman but you can try him out and see how he feels. You can win a lot of games just purely off of the Shuri > Vision > Taskmaster + Kitty combo. My ideal line is Kitty on 1, Angela on 2, Forge and Kitty 3, then you can either do Shuri > Vision > Taskmaster or Kitty + HB > Shuri + Kitty then Kitty + Taskmaster.
I hope you do at least infinity conquest long form videos again. I know they get less views because of their length but I personally love seeing you playing with higher stakes. Keep up the great content though definitely enjoying it.
bast works probably better for that and afaik cerbro 3 has a very large amount of cards you want to use so I don't think forge would be able to get into it for buffing cerebro to 3 while being a non 3 power card on the board instead of him.
Yes this deck is improved with Jeff but I think tlsg is trying to show lists without Jeff. (You also have the jeff-> hulk buster line, and Jeff is good on angela + is just very flexible) Also have personally made the decision to cut marvel for red skull
This deck is fire, took me from 90 to 100 super fast. I replaced Chavez with She-hulk, she is way more useful if you don't get Kitty early. Very good reads during the matches, kudos.
Is there a reason to play polaris in this deck instead of spiderman ? Spiderman played on angela gets angela buff and clears the way while polaris has no synergy with angela
Fun deck but kinda feels like shuri redskull with extra steps, I bet if you shove redskull in there as a back up play line kitty would actually end up being the back up play line
I don't understand the line of Iceman over Kitty Pryde turn 1. Angela would be only turn 2 play for the deck that would be better than Iceman + Kitty Pryde. By doing your line, it costs at least 1 power for Kitty Pryde that could cascade into more potential lost power depending if Shuri and Taskmaster get involved. As far as disruption goes, delaying a 2 drop could justify a Iceman over Kitty Pryde turn 1. However, hitting Zabu is probably the only 2 energy card that is significantly disruptive, but Zabu was not in the opposing decks and the success rate for that play is usually 25-33%.
Loving this deck so far. Only lost to Modak Ramp decks and a Mirror that got lucky getting their kitty Pride before turn 3 when a Shuris lab popped up so I wasn’t winning that at all lol
I assume it's because Polaris can give you control over where the card can go whereas Spidey can end up going in an unfavorable location, such as moving in Fisk Tower with the card
So on your T5 play you are playing KP first then Shuri - wouldn't Shuri then KP give you a bit more flexibility on splitting that power on turn 6? Shur-li you're probably playing on the Shuri lane anyways, but maybe you're playing around something that I'm not seeing?
I noticed you're always doing T5 Kitty then Shuri. Although it gives you one extra power, I would suggest that you do it the other way around because you can be more flexible in your placement with Kitty + TM on T6. I prefer flexibility over one extra power but maybe you have your reasons. Amazing deck showcase!
I so want to see that perfect curve of Kitty every turn, Forge on 3, Hulkbuster on 4, Shuri on 5, Taskmaster on 6. I think it gets you a 30 power Kitty which is actually hilarious
I got Infinite with this deck ! Thank you ! The trick --> have no priority !! Kitty Pride to Armor (fuck Killmonger) and go setup Angela. 5 Turn Shuri to Kitty and go Task Master last turn or Vision Shuri or Captan Marvel Forge and Hulk Buster so must use if dont found Shuri Enjoy I love this deck
I've played hundreds of games with this deck and cpt. Marvel is not key. I play her maybe 10 % of the games. I'd say Shang Chi is a solid replacement. Or spider man to have a chance to access locked locations if needed.
The vision or kitty have alternate advantages in dodging priority, being moveable, etc. Less raw power but more flexibility. Had I stacked in left against the redskull I think I could have leveraged marvel to win a second lane
So, its basically a sauron deck...without the need for sauron. But also not as powerful as a simple red skull...without getting kitty+forge+hulk buster? Seems like playing something with straight power, and a counter card like cosmo...would just destroy that deck.
My infinite deck this season is this one minus polaris plus shang chi. Both cards are in a position "I'd rather play something else if possible" :-) I can't imagine removing chavez, it helps a lot getting Kitty more often by turn 2.
Glad Forge is finally getting some time to shine, just pulled a variant of him so that works out 😂 I really don't think Crystal will ever be good unless they introduce a card that's basically inverse Darkhawk so that her downside is a little less intense. Maximus and Mordo would still probably outclass her in that deck though so... Poor Crystal will probably never have her day lol.
@@endersteve3843 I said Darkhawk specifically because she doesn't really work out well with Ronan who is an inverse Devil Dino. Sure she puts another card in your opponent's hand, but they can just play it lol. She's also necessarily not powerful stat-wise because of her ability, so she can't even really be played on the last turn confidently either. In that case you also don't get to benefit off her draw so you might as well play Mordo. That's why it'd have to be an inverse Darkhawk so you can play her early to benefit off of her ability and downside like every other good card with a downside.
@@guiltyflygon so when you say inverse dark hawk do you mean power for every card in the your own deck, or for your opponent having a small deck, because the first doesn’t make sense with crystal and the second one just seems kind of weird to word, maybe like it has 20 power and losers power per card? But then you just zero it and it becomes OP. Personally, i think if crystal flat out drew a card no downside she still wouldn’t be good.
@@endersteve3843 I agree that even if Crystal had no downside she still wouldn't see play so that's why I went in the direction I did lol. I meant plus power for less cards in your opponent's deck. I wasn't really thinking about the logistics of card design when I made the offhand suggestion but... the best option is probably a card that gets +2 every time your opponent draws, right? So, normally a 12 if your opponent draws every turn but you can get more with Maximus/Crystal/Mordo or less if they have a full hand/don't draw? You could play with some fun hand control stuff like Blackbolt/Moon Knight to ensure your opponent draws or something... It's also somewhat balanced out by the fact that your opponent is going to see every card in their deck so if they have a counter you're screwed. It's a neat idea anyways. That'd definitely have to be a 5-cost though. Honestly, Darkhawk should probably be a 5-cost too for how powerful it is under Zabu but that's a whole other topic lol. I think the basic point we're both getting at is that Crystal sucks because she has no inherent synergies so no matter what they do to her she's always gonna feel bad.
It stands for random number generator or basically anything that generates results based on a random chance (x mansion, locations, the location spiderman bounces to). Any effect that is not a fixed outcome
I actually did two full runs trying to get forge to show up but he either stayed at the bottom or came in on t4/5. Not just this build either. I tried a buff deck with brood/sinister/forge/nakia and in 4 matches brood and sinister were in the bottom 2 all but once. It just wasn't meant to be lol
When the opponent only has 2 HP left and they snap on you, immediately snapping back has big "You are not the one in control here, friend" energy lol
So true
Been running a similar kitty deck for a while. I'm not a fan of Shuri adding her bonus on turn 6, even if it's an extra 2 points. I want my 18 power kitty pryde to be a moveable threat so I do Shuri Kitty on turn 5.
Case-and-point on your match at 16:52 and the previous one with the danger room. Mitigated risks by having a buffed kitty in your hand already before turn 6.
Also on your last battle... Your opponent countered your Shuri play because they knew where kitty was going.
Glad you showcased this deck again. After you showed it last time I managed to use it to get to Infinite that season, and got Infinite with it this season as well. It was already very strong and the Forge buff is really nice for it. Never saw anyone else use it either, it's crazy.
is using spiderman instead of polaris ok? cuz I don't have her
@@rowdeorolan5315 Honestly Polaris and Shang Chi (the version I used had Shang Chi instead of Chavez) are the 2 most unused cards in the deck, you could swap Polaris for anything really, I just mean me personally I wouldn't use Spiderman but you can try him out and see how he feels. You can win a lot of games just purely off of the Shuri > Vision > Taskmaster + Kitty combo. My ideal line is Kitty on 1, Angela on 2, Forge and Kitty 3, then you can either do Shuri > Vision > Taskmaster or Kitty + HB > Shuri + Kitty then Kitty + Taskmaster.
@@Gordo525 Okai I'll try and thanks!
I hope you do at least infinity conquest long form videos again. I know they get less views because of their length but I personally love seeing you playing with higher stakes. Keep up the great content though definitely enjoying it.
GG! This deck was nasty, I got rolled lol! I couldn’t throw priority to save my life! Also was hoping for the kitty to die in danger room!
What's the thought process of playing Iceman T1, when you have both Kitty and Ice? Wouldn't it make more sense to play Kitty T1 and Kitty, ice T2?
I have put a month into my Agi deck and i have her up from 34 2 61 percent wr.
Love the vid!! Great job SD!
Another thing is that Forge now works with cerebro 3 where u can turn cerebro into a 3 power card
bast works probably better for that and afaik cerbro 3 has a very large amount of cards you want to use so I don't think forge would be able to get into it for buffing cerebro to 3 while being a non 3 power card on the board instead of him.
I was thinking forge into Jeff sounds pretty ridiculous. A 2 6 that can get into those tough to access lanes.
in that case it would be a 4/6 in total which is still premium stats
Yes this deck is improved with Jeff but I think tlsg is trying to show lists without Jeff. (You also have the jeff-> hulk buster line, and Jeff is good on angela + is just very flexible) Also have personally made the decision to cut marvel for red skull
This deck is fire, took me from 90 to 100 super fast. I replaced Chavez with She-hulk, she is way more useful if you don't get Kitty early. Very good reads during the matches, kudos.
Is there a reason to play polaris in this deck instead of spiderman ? Spiderman played on angela gets angela buff and clears the way while polaris has no synergy with angela
Fun deck but kinda feels like shuri redskull with extra steps, I bet if you shove redskull in there as a back up play line kitty would actually end up being the back up play line
The important distinction is that this always dodges prio and therefore also dodges everyone’s favorite dragon-slaying Shuri counter
I don't understand the line of Iceman over Kitty Pryde turn 1. Angela would be only turn 2 play for the deck that would be better than Iceman + Kitty Pryde. By doing your line, it costs at least 1 power for Kitty Pryde that could cascade into more potential lost power depending if Shuri and Taskmaster get involved. As far as disruption goes, delaying a 2 drop could justify a Iceman over Kitty Pryde turn 1. However, hitting Zabu is probably the only 2 energy card that is significantly disruptive, but Zabu was not in the opposing decks and the success rate for that play is usually 25-33%.
What about she hulk in your deck as an alternative win condition
Shuri on 4, Skip 5 then she hulk into taskmaster on 6?
Liking the video for the mind games; also I saw those double snap clicks
Awesome deck idea! Why is Polaris in the deck though?
Loving this deck so far. Only lost to Modak Ramp decks and a Mirror that got lucky getting their kitty Pride before turn 3 when a Shuris lab popped up so I wasn’t winning that at all lol
how will Spiderman work in place of Polaris? a better card to trigger Angela n move away?🤔
Imo polaris is the only easily replacable card. In my deck I play shang chi instead. But spider man sounds like fun and could work as well.
I'm using this deck, it's a pretty solid deck and more unpredictable than the typical shuri and sauron deck.
Great deck, thanks for sharing it. Only one question: why using Polaris instead of Spiderman?
I assume it's because Polaris can give you control over where the card can go whereas Spidey can end up going in an unfavorable location, such as moving in Fisk Tower with the card
Forge seems like a beast in the captain marvel jeff good stuff decks if there’s a slot
Very interesting...lots of fun mate...thanks❤
I used to like old crystal that would shuffle your hand, was pretty good with Mr Negative tbh
So on your T5 play you are playing KP first then Shuri - wouldn't Shuri then KP give you a bit more flexibility on splitting that power on turn 6? Shur-li you're probably playing on the Shuri lane anyways, but maybe you're playing around something that I'm not seeing?
I noticed you're always doing T5 Kitty then Shuri. Although it gives you one extra power, I would suggest that you do it the other way around because you can be more flexible in your placement with Kitty + TM on T6. I prefer flexibility over one extra power but maybe you have your reasons. Amazing deck showcase!
I think especially against matchups like both of these the flexibility would be better then the raw power most of the time! Great call out ❤️
that angela split is gas
Can Spiderman replace Polaris?
He could! Might even be better since you can play him into Angela and he moves out!
I so want to see that perfect curve of Kitty every turn, Forge on 3, Hulkbuster on 4, Shuri on 5, Taskmaster on 6. I think it gets you a 30 power Kitty which is actually hilarious
Awesome read against coach
i have a feeling if this deck style gains a lot of traction - it may be time to talk about an aero revert/buff
I took my Kitty power to 572, thanks to your deck !
I would love to see a Wong forge galactus deck.
Nice deck. Thank you for your videos.
I got Infinite with this deck ! Thank you !
The trick --> have no priority !!
Kitty Pride to Armor (fuck Killmonger) and go setup Angela. 5 Turn Shuri to Kitty and go Task Master last turn or Vision Shuri or Captan Marvel
Forge and Hulk Buster so must use if dont found Shuri
Enjoy
I love this deck
what’s with people snapping at turn 1
I'm hyped to try your deck!
This deck was good even before the forge buff, it got me to infinite last month.
If i dont have capt marvel what should i choose
I've played hundreds of games with this deck and cpt. Marvel is not key. I play her maybe 10 % of the games. I'd say Shang Chi is a solid replacement. Or spider man to have a chance to access locked locations if needed.
@@TheJirator yahh i used spiderman to replace cpt marvel, yeahh i think its very good thenkyu youuu
All that Shuri wrote 😂
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First game is illustrative of that redskull still is better than a vision and kitty doubled anyways
The vision or kitty have alternate advantages in dodging priority, being moveable, etc. Less raw power but more flexibility. Had I stacked in left against the redskull I think I could have leveraged marvel to win a second lane
nah redskull has better power but too predictable.
Can i put shangchi for captain marvel? i dont have the captain marvel yet
Shang-Chi will work for sure, In my deck I swapped America Chavez for him.
I suggest Shang chi for polaris. Took me to infinite. Chavez I recommend keeping in the deck for Kitty coming to you early.
So, its basically a sauron deck...without the need for sauron. But also not as powerful as a simple red skull...without getting kitty+forge+hulk buster? Seems like playing something with straight power, and a counter card like cosmo...would just destroy that deck.
This is the deck I took to infinite last season minus Chavez plus Shang Chi.
My infinite deck this season is this one minus polaris plus shang chi. Both cards are in a position "I'd rather play something else if possible" :-) I can't imagine removing chavez, it helps a lot getting Kitty more often by turn 2.
@@TheJirator this is probably the best version. I almost never get any real value out of Polaris.
Watching this not knowing the OTA details was so confusing 😅 let me read the notes and get back to you
Glad Forge is finally getting some time to shine, just pulled a variant of him so that works out 😂
I really don't think Crystal will ever be good unless they introduce a card that's basically inverse Darkhawk so that her downside is a little less intense. Maximus and Mordo would still probably outclass her in that deck though so... Poor Crystal will probably never have her day lol.
Ronan?
@@endersteve3843 I said Darkhawk specifically because she doesn't really work out well with Ronan who is an inverse Devil Dino.
Sure she puts another card in your opponent's hand, but they can just play it lol. She's also necessarily not powerful stat-wise because of her ability, so she can't even really be played on the last turn confidently either. In that case you also don't get to benefit off her draw so you might as well play Mordo. That's why it'd have to be an inverse Darkhawk so you can play her early to benefit off of her ability and downside like every other good card with a downside.
@@guiltyflygon so when you say inverse dark hawk do you mean power for every card in the your own deck, or for your opponent having a small deck, because the first doesn’t make sense with crystal and the second one just seems kind of weird to word, maybe like it has 20 power and losers power per card? But then you just zero it and it becomes OP. Personally, i think if crystal flat out drew a card no downside she still wouldn’t be good.
@@endersteve3843 I agree that even if Crystal had no downside she still wouldn't see play so that's why I went in the direction I did lol.
I meant plus power for less cards in your opponent's deck. I wasn't really thinking about the logistics of card design when I made the offhand suggestion but... the best option is probably a card that gets +2 every time your opponent draws, right? So, normally a 12 if your opponent draws every turn but you can get more with Maximus/Crystal/Mordo or less if they have a full hand/don't draw? You could play with some fun hand control stuff like Blackbolt/Moon Knight to ensure your opponent draws or something... It's also somewhat balanced out by the fact that your opponent is going to see every card in their deck so if they have a counter you're screwed. It's a neat idea anyways. That'd definitely have to be a 5-cost though. Honestly, Darkhawk should probably be a 5-cost too for how powerful it is under Zabu but that's a whole other topic lol.
I think the basic point we're both getting at is that Crystal sucks because she has no inherent synergies so no matter what they do to her she's always gonna feel bad.
Does this game only have pvp?
Right now yes 😞
@@TLSGMarvelSnap ok thank you
What if u don't draw kitty until turn 3 or 4? You're done i guess
Kitty into forge and kitty into hulk buster that late is fine. Shuri into vision into taskmaster Is also a decent amount of power without kitty
I could see Crystal being OK in a Negative Surfer deck. She draws you an extra card, ideally inverted, and is a target for a Surfer buff.
Spiderman that can pull off your not drawn card is pretty annoying. Hope they can fix this issue Juggernaut is enough for this lmao
i didnt really like captian marvel so i did nightcrawler instead of iceman and miles morales inplace of captain marvel
iceman is better tho i just like stacking angela with armor
What is RNG
It stands for random number generator or basically anything that generates results based on a random chance (x mansion, locations, the location spiderman bounces to). Any effect that is not a fixed outcome
I love you tlsg
Shades of your old Titania video where Titania refused to be drawn. Great prediction play second to last game.
I actually did two full runs trying to get forge to show up but he either stayed at the bottom or came in on t4/5. Not just this build either. I tried a buff deck with brood/sinister/forge/nakia and in 4 matches brood and sinister were in the bottom 2 all but once. It just wasn't meant to be lol
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