1v1 vs Aoe3 DE's New "Extreme" AI
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- In this video we face off against the new Extreme AI in Aoe3 DE.
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Playing as any colour other than red as the British is a capital offence
Too bad i set them as blue (i pick red for ottomans)
Doesn't matter if you select the Thin Red Line upgrade from Special Church Improvements
That single house left incomplete for 10 minutes is so annoying
Dude here making extreme look easy, while I struggle to defeat even the hard one :)
Same 😂
Yea 😂 😂
I feel hard is easy, hardest is to hard, wish they had harder
you can always try giving the hard ai a handicap or yourself a handicap agains the hardest ai to try and compensate then lower it by a single tick each time
@@cyclonegaming443
Yes! And even when I can easily defeat moderate even on 1v2, why do I keep getting bodied by hard ai?
English spoken by the Brits in this game reminds me how different the language was during Elizabethan times.
I believe they're speaking Middle English, which by the early colonial age had pretty much been completely replaced by early modern English. So the game seems to be inaccurate in that regard by roughly a few centuries. By the 1600s the English spoke at least in a way that we can understand in the modern day, although it was much more archaic than how it's spoken now.
T-west:- uploads pacifist runs, and mourns even single deaths in campaigns
Also T-west:- Let's do cannons 'cause cannons are bloody fun eh?!
"let's cannon the villagers"
@@derdurstbursch yeah!!
You made the extreme look so easy
Because the extreme is very easy
Looks like Gustavus just got a slice of humble pie.
Today, you will hear me ROAR!
@@T-West Is British powerful?
I don't really know the civs that well in Aoe3, not sure about how strong they are.
@@T-West I played aoe 3 till TAD and I can guarantee you that British was always the strongest civ in TAD .
@@T-West Many things may have changed ever since DE has been released
Gustavus Adolphus when online: HEAR ME ROAR
Gustavus Adolphus IRL: rawr
Lol 🤣🤣🤣
I got the feeling this AI would lose to AOE2DE medium AI.
Or even aoe3 ai
Aggreed, the DE AI is just stupid. For some reason it only spams cannons, even with the chinese they just spam that weak small cannon :/ I hope they fix it
@@tb124.gaming the AI was building freaking mills at age 2 lol
15:22 well that wasn't very pacifist.
T-West: Extreme AI is eazy
Me: Gets his ass beaten by normal AI
Can't wait to play this next week.
5:40 so when the enemy rushes you, with say 10 pikes or something, he cannot just siege your barracks for free, but you can use your towncenter fire to protect your barracks.
I really loved the AOE3 campaigns, they have a good connection and story (John, Nathaniel and Chayton Black are nice, and also Japanese and Indian ones). But for some reason, I always found the skirmish games too repetitive.
But I pre-ordered anyway because I am looking forward to give it a try!
Try different civs, strategies and maps. So much to explore...
Its a good idea to pick it up if you ever wanted to play it
Costs about HALF as much as the non-DE version
But i wonder how will the multiplayer be, since i'm not one of those 4000 apm players nor hardcore AoE3 strategist
There were also some matchmaking connection bugs back then, hope i never encounter one
I play the "Wars of Liberty" mod, which makes the skirmishes a lot more fun by adding a load of new civs and mechanics.
Repetitive? Bro get out of here
you can always use scenario editor for better skirmish experience or more unlimited fun
The outlaw riflemen are weaker in melee (at least they were in aoe 3 original).
P.S. to take the treasure with two outlaw riflemen, I set my explorer's attack mode to melee, stand him next to one rifleman, crackshot the other guy, and shift-queue him to them attack the guy standing next to him. He'll lose very little HP.
@@timotay22 same goes wor the blowpipe guys as well - they suck at melee range
I feel like AoE2 players will find AoE3 'extreme'ly easy. I love both games and I actually started off playing AoE3. It took me a long time to learn AoE2 but I realized that had automatically made me a much much better AoE3 player. Imo the key is to never keep the TC idle!
That's mostly due to how the AI is scripted and how aoe2 has lot of simple aifunc libraries in a much simpler game logic sense to implement because the most complicated thing to what matters to the ai is dodging projectiles and converting each unit individually which is built in the .per file.
In aoe3, you have treasure creeping, shipment management, Trading post management, Revolutions, Special abilities, Wonder abilities, Consulate management and few others i'm forgetting. To properly program this in a deterministic way for the ai to know when to put more escrow than not is quite not as easy as making the aoe2 ai. Doesn't help that userpatch introduced lot of more functions for ai scripting while aom/aoe3 engine is pretty hardcoded to giving scripters new tools to work with.
@@zonetropper that makes sense. Also the unit classes in AoE3 are so much more complicated. It must be hard to code appropriate counters given so many different units in the game, no? For instance hand infantry usually counter hand cavalry but using a group of musketeers against Lancers isn't an optimal choice, while using them against Cossacks is okay. Not that musketeers are hand infantry haha. But then again, that is really what I love about AoE3. In AoE2, I feel like I'm playing chess sometimes.
personally, i've found aoe3 online much harder than aoe2.
but for AI battles you're absolutely right, the aoe2 battles are harder.
i think zonetropper's reply is 100% correct.
@@osprey2310 Consider some units as specialists. Lancers and Mahuts for example would be anti infantry specialists. While muskets are good against cavalry as a whole they will not counter them. So you use anti cav specialists as a hard counter sams, dops, rods. Or you can choose to ignore their specialty all together and just send huss against them
@@osprey2310 You'd think with so many intricacies to making a good AI that they would just resort to machine learning for AI development
I'd like to see you playing 0 A.D. It's a free, open source RTS that started 20 years ago as an AoE 2 mod, but developed into it's own game with it's own engine. The time period is roughly around AoE 1 but it plays a lot more like AoE 3. Great game.
That extreme aoe3de ai looks like hard difficulty ai on aoe2de 😋
the AI always was trash in aoe3. a wonder he did it tho with his knowledge.
"Every moment I live...is agony."
I remember when AoE3 came out. I was in university, tried a bit of it, but didn't have time to really get into it. I remember back then how the new 3D graphics for RTS were the new thing but it was honestly pretty bad. Colonial Period is my favorite historical age so I was disappointed back then.
I think I'll be getting AoE3 DE within a couple weeks of release - after watching review videos like this of course :)
It was the big game for me when I was younger and I was just infatuated with it ever since, it's a game I hold really near and dear and almost don't wanna see major more of updated graphics and such, but some of the changes are nice, I just don't wanna see it become aoe2 de, that game seems so meta driven now instead of a relaxing fun RTS it just feels, like everything is the same, and everything has to follow the individual meta instead of being able to have some creativity and individuality
@@1963felonee What do you mean by meta?
@@Daniel-pg9qh that you really have to follow the build order, like age up at this many villagers, do this now, if you completely disregard the build order you can end up needing a lower level opponent but if you follow it and aren't good the ai is too hard or not hard enough. And in AoE3 you can have real dynamic battles not relying on any build order
Gotta be honest... extreme AI is way easier than I thought... play a free for all or a 3v1 there u can have a better experience
no. its the sweden ai that is easy
btw, xp early is always worth it, since it brings you faster to your first (or second) shipment compared to your enemy. If you send your 3 vills 10 seconds earlier than your opponent it makes quite a difference. Usually games are won by getting ahead of your opponent little by little.
However if the choice is between wood and xp, wood is probably preferable. Generally its wood>food>xp>all other
however it actually really depends on the situation, russians for example would prefer food over the all others, sometimes 50 coin can also be quite strong, or lamas/cows when you are india... and so on
have you heard of the dreaded French strategy of instant Cuirassier? I wonder if they've already patched it
No? Is it possible to learn this power?
Not from an Aoe2 player.
It has been patched for DE :)
@@gatowololo5629 good 2020 got better
Have they actually nerfed cards? Damn, cant wait to see.
The "instant cuirassier" strat was one of the issues that made this game quite imbalanced, especially for longer lasting games, and france to be quite OP. Basically the Cuirassier is french special cav unit (3 pop, 150 f 150 g) that can have up to 1150 hp and around 60 atk with 3 area damage. So quite a strong unit per se. The problem with this unit are the supporting cards, (fast cav age 2, reducing cav training time by 40%) and more so the age 4 card that reduces training time AND reduces cost to 127/127. Plus the church tech, another 40% faster training. That means you can create this unit instantly, in every single game, very annoying.
Will be interesting to see how they nerfed certain cards.
Damn I must be trash cause I get my ass kicked by “hardest” AI
ngl, even through youtube compresion at 1080p the new game assests and models look really good, and the shaders more realistc, can't wait to try it out!
really hope there is a good 21/9 support :p
Disappointed, this new extreme mode is too easy
That’s cuz its not.
I play with British too and as soon as I get into 2nd age they attack none stop until I'm dead...and that's on hard :(
I'm as fast as my opponent but regardless of how many troops I make they still overwhelm me.
I wonder if Wars of Liberty Mod will also be available for AoE3 DE (this is aoe3wol.com, like the biggest age of empires game ever).
the sounds and music are so nostalgic to me "yes" "ready" (and words that I can't spell). oh how I wanted to play this 😭
Those AI extreme in DE its easy ai in the original, its so sad. Optimization and AI are completely shit in DE
This man must have some brave DNA, because I've never seen anyone love wood more than him!
Imagine going into the 3rd age, and your first thought is to get 1000 wood, instead of the 2 cannons that will firmly solidify your lead!
Jeez, I have never been able to defeat the extreme AI, and he just wings it without even knowing the units that well. Wow, amazing skill!
Never really got in to AOE2 but I love AOE3 and have been enjoying all your content, so this is a massive win win for me!
This comment isn't related to this video but is that you at 4:04 of ruclips.net/video/7cpbi4V41ig/видео.html ?
when i do team AI skirmish, i always hate that the AI enemy TARGETED for the player only, even there AI ally near them and not attack it
Frankly for me the ai targets the closest player (which is always the teammate ai😋😂)
@@sir8923 for me the others AI always target spanish AI
I don't get why the ai didn't crush you when they got Colonial, they practically outclassed you so hard yet you didn't do anything special to win the upper hand they somehow stopped producing units or something?
it is a real shame that you couldnt upgrade your "explorer" like add new skin or even add diffrent weapons. diffrent abilitys... make him more important into every since online battles... real shame
Heya, does anyone know if the AI cheats?
Yes, ai cheats now but much less than original
@@ਗੁਰਸਿਮਰਸਿੰਘ ohhh, was really looking foward if the AI wouldn't cheat but would kick ass like in aoe2 DE. But thanks for the info!
@@leonardosternberg5093 welcome
Of you can beat original one this will be like steal a candy from a kid
Hunts rot at 0.7 food per second, just slightly less than the rate at which a settler collects food from it (0.84). So yes, rot matters if you've only got a few villagers collecting from each animal, it's more efficient to concentrate them on a few animals and leave the rest alive.
I would suggest you play as Brits and go against 2 AI next time.
Thanks for the heart!
How did you know he gave you a heart your comment Isn't editted so you typed that while you were typing your comment
So you sir are a fortune teller
I love how he got all nervous and spammy after he saw that cannon
I wonder if this is as easy to do as the Ottomans. They are a harder civ to play because their Dark age (lol AoE2 terminology!) is very different. They're like the opposite of the British - while the British get more settlers easily, it's actually very hard to build an eco with Ottomans early on.
=== Deck ===
I: Exploration Age: 3 Settlers, Exotic Hardwoods
II: Commerce Age: 4 Settlers, 5 Settlers, 700 Food, 600 Wood, 700 Wood, 700 Coin, 6 Longbowmen, Musketeer/Grenadier Damage, 6 Musketeers, Cavalry Hitpoints
III: Fortress Age: 8 Settlers, 1000 Wood, 10 Longbowmen, Yeomen, 9 Musketeers, 5 Hussars, Cavalry Combat, 2 Falconets, Royal Mint, Refrigeration
IV: Industrial Age: 3 Congreve Rockets, Factory, Robber Barons
=== Actual Deck ===
I: Exploration Age: 3 Settlers
II: Commerce Age: 4 Settlers, 5 Settlers, 700 Food, 600 Wood, 700 Wood, 700 Coin
III: Fortress Age: 1000 wood
Aoe3 DE's New "Extreme" AI is shit soon I will upload video you will see
Why is it building mills in age 2? ._.
weird, why did the AI went to farms so early? and on great plain out of all maps.....
After you learn the game you will have to do Aoe3 pacifist XD if that's even possible
I don't quite think that will be possible for Aoe3, but I do plan on playing the campaigns, at least.
Hm at least it doesn't look like the AI is cheating. The hardest AIs in many RTS games cheat with things such as faster gathering rates and full map visibility. But I'm hoping to see improvements at launch or within a couple of weeks after.
The Ai still does the same errors that the hardest AI did. It does not raid, it does not counter your units (it makes the pre define units) it has a really bad deck, and it creates random buildings
Am I only one who looks at the UI and thinks, Look how they massacred my boy!
good thing this one has options, hehe.
@@StarshadowMelody Oh thank God!
0:59 Geography 101
I've been playing the game since 2005. I've been playing definitive edition since 2020. I have a bad habit. At the beginning of the game, I watch market improvements and workers. I'm trying to collect wood and build towers. I do not produce any soldiers. I'm trying to skip a beat. I've been waiting a long time to send out soldiers and attack. Enemies earn a lot of money in a short time and become extremely powerful. They are coming with their armies. I am dying without fighting because I am busy with different things. Even raiding resource-gathering workers at the beginning of the game is very useful. But I don't get soldiers from the deck of cards, I constantly get cards that increase building and resource production or military statistics. So I don't even get soldiers as gifts. I think I need to change myself
Bro AoE 4....
Have you any news for that
Nope.
T West we are so happy you are finally back and uploading frequently New vids!
You will get more subscribers Just be patient your time will come!
Why do english speakers call Gustaf Adolf Gustavus Adolphus but Ptolemaios Ptolemy and Pompeius Pompey etc.?
You Monster!
Are you still engaging in human trafficking and shipping poor villagers in this day and Age?
Try to play the 20min Treaty mode. After 20 minutes they come with full army with artillery :D it's kinda fun to defend your city then :D
does this game have hotkeys for techs, like how AoE II DE did? I don't quite remember but I don't think AoE III had that.
Oh, I just checked the hotkeys menu real quick, and I didn't see any.
Dont you think the viewing angle of aoe3 is weird?
It feels weird to me how the camera "tilts" when it zooms in, otherwise it seems normal.
@@T-West aoe2 viewing angle is very good. Most prefer the 45° angle of aoe2 than this 85° angle of aoe3.
I’m a Swedish plumber
wait, thats the extreme ai? i have to say im a little disappointed. with aoe2 they made such drastic improvements on the ai´s, but here that doesnt really seem to be the case
looks the quality of the ai is lower than before, that is really sad to see
i mean is more easy to defeat the extreme AI when you are on fortress because you have more upgrades you can make falconets dragons etc.
as i say even more more easy
holy fuck your early booming is disgustingly perfect
AI in AOE3 isn’t very good at handling
Military units
Does herding the hunt towards your TC have any passive benefits? Or is it just a simple protect your villagers incase you get raided thing?
It doesn't affect the gather rate, it just protects your Villagers and decrease the walk time towards the hunt.
AOE3 pacifist run soon?
Idk but if i play against the extreme ai...it rushes XP to get shipments faster then me to rush me with early units i cannot defend...after that they just push with infantery and you cant ever really build up. And you here didnt even get rushed ...so kinda confused here
No idea how the AI has been updated since release, but I imagine it has lots of different strategies. I didn't really have to do anything special here, but the AI may have gotten better since I played this.
2x1 with my buddy and stills impossible to win xD
More pacifist AOE2 campaigns
Something must be wrong here: im counting a lot of kills
Well could you recommend some remade campaigns of Aoe2 as I play what is called a aoe2de mod for tc.....
As always love your videos...
What do you mean by "remade campaigns"?
Those with cpx of cpn extensions....
@@amitvishwakarma7210 Oh, if you look on AoKHeaven, there are quite a few there. Just search their scenario and campaign sections. You can find ones with high review ratings or lots of downloads.
Thnx...
Can you play as the French in extreme plz?
why does this seem easier than the normal expert aoe3 ai????
Dang man I can barely keep up with AOEs hard Ai. You're a champ
Please can you try to win with Germans ?
I cant even win from a Hard CPU :*(
cool now do it 100% handicap
Almost as bad as Cossacks 3. AEO2 DE best
why is he pretending the whole time like he doesn't know how to play the game?
I know how to play Aoe2. I just watched a couple of videos of Aoe3 experts and made up a build as I went along.
"in aoe2 all the civs are same"
Compared to this game they really are lmao
Well, yeah. In aoe2 they all need 50 food to make a vill, they build militia in barracks, train monks from monasteries and all that.
In aoe 3 you need good for Dutch vills, for example, which makes the game different for them.
@@caracatoacacepe Are you seriously trying to start an argument with a purist, good luck brother you are talking to a wall.
so fucking true lol aoe2 civs all play the same so sad
This game looks disgusting T_T
1v1 extreme is so easy try 1v5 extreme
This extreme AI is literally worse than the expert AI in AoE3 AD (the newest version). I'm gonna repeat myself here - I'm honestly disappointed with this DE version.
why
@@henrifortier8621 It's a long list of things in AoE3 DE that were executed rather terribly imo. And as for the proof with the AI, just try a 1v1 with an expert (the aztecs are the best example) - you'll see it's more difficult than this "new extreme" difficulty
If u are new to AoE III you will probably hear a lot u should start with british, Im of the opinion that starting with brits sets a bad habit of villager mismanagement and too much wood gathering that wont do when u try other civilizations. I would personaly recommed spain, as probably the most plain civ.
spain is also trash trough
@@ozisponas1593 Spain has the best units if you send in some missionaries and even their unique units are good as well.
@@Vincrand yeah good luck getting to 20 unction in a normal game
@@ozisponas1593 What do you even mean with '20 unction'? Yeah it's a late game card, but Spanish has faster cards allowing you to be descent in the early game as well. Their lancer is a great unit, which is countered best by heavy cav. Spanish have 2 ways to deal with heavy cav.
the sweden ai is bad. try british
They should rework the skirmish AI in DE, in my opinion. Aside is almost identical to the HD version.
Is the extreme ai cheating or just playing good?
It does cheat a bit, I'm not sure how much.
T-West after Pacifist Gengis Khan - I'm taking a break from the Pacifist runs .
*Uploads El Cid the next week*
T-West after Pacifist Montezuma - I'm heading to the Battle of the Conquerers .
*Doesn't upload for a month*
Playing old AOE3 and then AOE2 DE and then coming back to this really makes the difference in AI obvious. With far less effort you can get a significant lead over 3 DE AI, while the 2 AI really shows it has had more development time, and benefits from a more developed and consistent meta. Of course, it's not just the meta, though, 3 AI is just more stupid in general. Moderate AI for example literally walks groups of settlers into your army/occupied territory for res. Hopefully there's still room for improvement there, otherwise 3 won't have nearly as much content for those that like to play singleplayer.
There is one thing I can already say I really like about the Swedes though. The Hakkapelliita actually speak Finnish instead of Swedish, as they should. These kinds of things are nice, even if they're missing their most signature battlecry.
Do you remember the time when Gustavus Adolphus fought the Britons in American? Me neither.
Oh, wasn't that just after the classic Mayan and Korean skirmish in Texas?
@@T-West :)
Thank you kind sir. I was literally searching for and extreme ai 1v1
Lets see how long it takes T-West to do the AOE3 campaigns Pacifist Style 11
I think that in the first mission, T-West would need to kill some bombards :P
This is not extreme ai..
hmm, like canons eh? check brits or dutch age 4 shipment that cost 2000 gold, 3 lil bombards. very worth it!
"Canons are fun"
Can't agree more,canons are a blast of fun
I like canon law too.
I had this doubt that why teleporting vils thro tc by garrisoning not famous in aoe2 unlike In aoe3
Not very extreme is it ...
People said brit are easy for starting players, i think thats wrong. Ottoman are much better for starting player, less micro and tank jans😂. Btw you from canada?
'Murica
@@T-West new york?
@@muhammadabdullahy9281 From the NJ/NY area, yes.
Extreme AI sucks
That house which was unbuilt triggered my OCD but gg mate