Never had a Gigabyte GPU but I've built computers with their motherboards and they've held up well. A company like EVGA leaving the market tells you everything you need to know about the GPU market.
I had two Gigabyte cards one was a 1050Ti and the other was a 1660Ti, they were good cards had no issues with them but this will destroy their reputation unless they acknowledge the RMAs and preform a recall, which I bet they can't afford especially after that ransomware incident and everyone lost their warranty from it.
same, ive always gone back to gigabyte motherboards even having tried other manufacturers; their boards just have a kind of quality about them i dont really get from other brands, and im always surprised at the feature levels at the price points.
No. It tells you about the Nvidia market. Nvidia sets a price for the chip, then they set a soft price ceiling with their founder edition cards. There's not a lot of wiggle room between the chip cost and the founder edition cards. I think the number is something like each card is 5% profitable to an AIB after constructing their own board and cooler. It used to be 20-25% only a few generations ago, Nvidia is slowly pricing AIBs out. AMD on the other hand has a much healthier margin with their AIBs. The numbers I've seen from them are somewhere around 15-22% depending on the GPU AMD is selling them. The thing people always forget when talking about Nvidia vs AMD for the GPU space is that AMD is not a GPU company. They are a CPU company that also makes GPUs. Intel and AMD have a different standard of business with their partners, if they priced like Nvidia does all the pre-built tower and laptop manufactures would revolt. That carries over to their GPU business. ASUS is making more off each AMD card sold than they probably are from every three Nvidia cards. But Nvidia is the volume seller. Sapphire is probably doing better still on margins even though less people buy a Sapphire AMD card than an ASUS AMD card. ASUS is a big name, Sapphire isn't. What Sapphire is is AMDs version of EVGA. They are the priority partner because they make AMD look good with add-ons like great customer service. Same as EVGA did. There's a whole bunch of other stuff, like Open Source Drivers. Implementing anything with AMD and Intel is a heck of a lot easier than Nvidia since developers can literally pull the code for the drivers to see how everything works. They don't have to be an Nvidia partner or pay Nvidia for extra support for help getting something to work. Intel and AMD are using standard CPU rules, not Nvidia rules. Nvidia has been so far ahead of the curve with GPUs they can dictate the norm for stuff like this. I'm also not necessarily an AMD fanboy on this, I just come from most of my time spent at a computer is Linux. And I would rather deal with Intel and AMD problems on a machine than Nvidia any day of the week. Nvidia is a nightmare if anything goes wrong on Linux. So the fact AMD and Intel plays by CPU rules with their GPUs is blindingly apparent to me in a way they wouldn't be for a Windows user.
I can’t imagine EVGA wanting to work with AMD after they dropped the price of their 7600 3 times? How do you start production for a card you think will be 330 and make a profit when by the time it releases its 270
Manufacture are getting just as bad deal from amd. Intel can offer really sweet deal, but if you can't sell anything, it doesn't matter if your margin is 100%.
That wouldnt explain why 90% of all dmged cards you can find are gigabyte. Because the share of broken cards should be in line with the share of gigabyte cards in prebuilds, which isn't the case.
@@Sly_404 because maybe 90% prebuild use Gigabyte due to lower price maybe? it needs to be investigated further for sure. But also this is due to their design imo. Normal use it will not break, but under some condition that design is the issue.
@@Sly_404no one is saying there isn't a design flaw with the gigabyte cards, but that flaw is being overblown by people who don't want to mention the very specific use case that is causing these cards to crack, Vex has to know this by now, and I'm assuming he left these details out on purpose for whatever reason
EVGA looks smarter and smarter every day. To reduce the costs to the maximum they cut off too much of the PCB just above the PCIe connection to save some $ so with so heavy GPUs the PCB is just breaking. Now let's add to this that people are now pushing their cards very hard when they plug the 12HWPR cable to be sure it is connected properly because of the melting drama. And most probably some (or most) of these cards are from prebuilt systems so PCBs are breaking during transport because they are so heavy these days.
Looking at AMDs and Nvidias annual reports, it's apparent that both companies simply don't rely on the end-consumer GPU segment much anymore. Not only can the offset bad sales there with other, higher margin segments (commercial (AI) products, APUs, mobile products and gaming consoles). To make matters worse, these segements partially compete with each other for limited resources (particular silicone). Nvidia for instance is of the opinion, that end consumer products need to be sold at similar margins that they can achive on commercial products. If they don't (which they don't much atm), they simply shift production away from GPUs to AI. It's not that they actually loose out. The ones that hold the bag are the AIBs as they don't benefit from anything AMD and Nvidia are doing outside of the GPU segment.
I know the plan of Jensen and it is frightening, but his intent, by every thing he holds dear and has alluded to, to go the Apple model for cards. That sucks for us as you want a card it will be an Nvidia only at whatever inflated price they wish to charge not caring if they sell them to us or not as, eventually, their goal is to get out from the gamer's market and go full on business AI/ML instead. When a card sells for 45k you can sell one, sit back take it easy, and it is equivalent to selling 30 4090s. Much less hassle for them.
I've been buying high end Gigabyte cards for the past 4 years because they usually had no issues with coil whine and were easy to take apart. My 3090 Xtreme has waterblock on it and is also supported by stand so sits perfectly horizontally in the slot. I always felt like Gigabyte's cards have much more "flexible" PCBs than other brands tho, it can really crack with that 4 slot cooler when you move the case around or kick it accidentally.
I do think it's pretty goofy to say "NVIDIA IS GIVING AIBs 5% PROFIT MARGINS AND IT'S KILLING THEM CHECK OUT THIS RESEARCH" is the same thing as "AMD CHANGED THE PRICE OF A GPU A DAY BEFORE LAUNCH ONCE" Like one is clearly showing Nvidia strangling the life out of their partners' business, and the other is a major inconvenience, but by and large the AIBs seem very happy with the cut they get on Radeon cards.
People used to talk trash about AsRock but after the Asus mess AsRock is looking pretty good and honestly they have stepped up their quality in the last couple years
The problem is that this board manufacturers get very limited profits from this things. Most go to Nvidia(which is why EVGA got their toys and left). So when a problem in mass starts appearing they feel horror at the thought of compensating because they will make zero profit and start trying to find every excuse to avoid servicing you or compensating you.
This pcb cracking is caused by shipping the cards in prebuilds. Not by customers fitting the card or GPU sagging. GPU sagging can cause v ram pad issues after time use the support brackets or stands.
AIB-s are there to give the customers the impression of variety and choice and thus allows Nvidia to sell more cards. It's the same strategy that many international companies like Unilever, Procter and Gable and so on do. You think you can choose between 3-4 products but it's all made by the same company and the profits always return to the same company.
My Gigabyte 1070 still runs strong 6 - 7 years later, can't say I had much problems with them. My old trusty 760 is still in a computer somewhere, Gigabyte as well.
In the video Jay did about the gigabyte cards breaking, you could see that even though the pcb was thicker than the other card, (I think it was asus?) the gigabyte board had a lot more flex in it, as well as an addition cutout in the tab area weakening it even further.
Sagging is not going to crack these boards. If the PC is dropped maybe. In that case the card should be supported with some bracing. What I think is happening is these cards are so large the release mechanism is not visible and some people cannot remember where to press the mechanism for release so they forcibly remove it.
@@0x8badbeef you think Gigabyte owners are more likely to yank the card out without correctly releasing? If these are the cards with cracks in the PCB and you think a driver is people not releasing correctly then it seems like Gigabyte either make lower quality PCBs, or their customers behave differently, or the cause differs from what you’ve suggested.
Great video, i recently bought a used 6900 XT(MSI Gaming X Trio). Was told it was bought 2021 September. At first i had problems, 100-105C on junction. Even was asking to return it. However, actually its so big specially with the extra support bracket that i didnt notice my power cable stopped 1 fan from working. After some moving around it can run newer games at 4K with a temp of around 84-87C on junction. Now the amazing thing is im running a 550W power supply, underclocked and undervolted it abit. Takes around 240W running 4k maxed god of war at around 75 fps in the start, also no more psu crashes. Will soon get a more powerful PSU anyway, but this card is just amazing.
My daughter was playing VR and our old doggo ran across the cord yanking my whole PC over on its side, slamming down, the GPU ripped right out of the mobo - broke the locking pin right off the mobo, I quickly shut the PSU switch off. The headset went flying off my kid's head breaking on the floor. After some rage and reviewing the state of my machine, some PSU cables were jostled, shoved the GPU back into there, and it booted up just fine and hasn't had any problems. Pulling on your GPU with the locking pin locked shouldn't break your GPU if mine ripped the pin off at impact velocities. It's gotta be GPU sag due to lack of support around the PCIe slot part of the PCB and overall structural flimsiness allowing all the weight to bend that part of the PCB right there. If it was the locking pin cracking peoples' GPUs then this would've been happening forever with all GPUs, except it hasn't, it's only happening with these relatively newer Gigabyte GPUs.
i started disliking Gigabyte when their RMA messed with me as well, i bought a B550M Aorus Elite from a PC Service shop back in december 2020, 6 months in and it already broke refusing to boot up, Gigabyte haggled that PC Service shop for 2 weeks just to try to avoid the RMA, then it took 1 more week to do the actual RMA, they "repaired" the board so well that now it boots up but it has a change to get stuck in the startup screen where the boot menu can be accessed, essentially having only the AORUS logo on the screen, needing to turn it off and on again. My dad also had a Gigabyte A320 motherboard that broke, he bought an ASRock and is much happier. the other Gigabyte product i owned was a GTX 750 TI, which still works, it's in my dad's current computer
I decided to give Gigabyte a go in the 90's when they were a much less known manufacturer. They were advertising their superior capasitors and at the time there were a lot of stories of caps blowing up on MB's (didn't follow the stories that well back then the internet was still a baby). To be fair to them they blew me away, it was a good board, it had a fan and sink on the northbridge, something only the most expensive boards had at the time. Even their BIOS was easy to follow (for the 90's that is saying something). So for many years I would used their stuff on and off, a MB here, a GPU there, although never exclusively, they slowly went up the ladder to become one of the best and most reliable. Yet, in recent times, quality control during design and development seems to have fallen right off. Along with Asus I'm going to hold off buying Gigabyte for sometime, sometimes you need companies to fail to wake up the others, so they don't do the same things, like Fing over customers or cutting too many corners. However we can't not mention the role the teams have on this (be it green, red or blue), the big boys are bulling the little guys into desperation, and they don't seem to care. Going to say it again, the future of PC gaming is being pushed into the exclusive/premium end, and it's not nice, something has to be done soon.
I had the gigabyte 2070 super and its sad to hear the woes... I just replaced it with the ...yes, a terrible purchase... the Sapphire Radeon 7600 since it was smaller, less power use, less heat, and just a smidge better (2080 super) .... but I'm happy... love the thing... its a beautiful card too. Grafix cards are NOT worth paying alot unless you are getting 4k ultra @150+ fps with no gimmicks, on an oled 4k tv/MONITOR with NO NOISE LIKE WHINE OR FAN, HEAT, AND UNGODLY TDP DRAW! Thanks to this channel i made the jump to the Red team grafix. I wasnt going to buy a card but i wanted the benefits i had listed. Yes, its still overpriced but not stupidly overpriced. Keep up the great channel man... Again, i love, love the Sapphire's 7600... Make sure you uninstall the Nvidia grafix drivers properly... look it up amd get the chipset drivers too.. mine was an amd itx board. Love Sapphire...what a beautiful card I play in 1440... if you are curious CSGO 1440 RPGs like Tyranny 10/10, Octopath 1 and 2, Indie games:Graveyard Keeper, Death's Door, Riftbreaker, Transistor, Civilization Two monitor setup: 1440 and 1080
I had a 2080S that was purchased at the end of 2019 that JUST so happened to fail 3 weeks out of warranty. This type of stuff is never "just once SKU", or just one segment. Gigabyte has been cutting corners for years and the results of that corner cutting are now manifesting.
I have Gigabyte RTX 3060 12GB , This model: GV-N3060WF2OC-12GD . The card is 2 fan model, very lightweight and short, doesn't sag at all. But those beasty 3-fan 3060's, 3080's, 3090's ....they are arround 30+ cm in lenghts with heavy cooling solution, they sag like male sex organ when you are drunk and hidraulics fail, and Gigabyte is using too thin PCB IMO to handle those material stresses. Usage of anti-sag supports is strongly advised. If you can't afford it right now, lay your PC horozontaly as a temporary fix. Good luck.
I think that if gigabyte would be upfront and give a warning about sag or handling, the honesty alone would make me trust them, and I would just buy support for the gpu
I have a gigabtye 7900 XTX which game with a support bracket, it would be virtually impossible for cracks to form with the support bracket installed correctly.
It's been apparent that Nvidia wants to be like apple for years at this point. The second they moved their coolers to a dual fan design it was clear that they wanted to start edging aib partners out of the market. It's also why they wanted to own arm, so they could own the cpu side of things for their majority revenue side of the business.
I pulled my Gigabyte 3060Ti from my PC and the PCB seems fine, it's not flexy like in JTC's video. Maybe the cards to fail are the bigger ones even though this 3060Ti is the Gaming OC Pro thing that's not necessarily small. Also, they seem to have at least 2 revisions on most of their cards (at least 30 series). My card says it's rev 3.0 which I'm not really sure why would you do that besides fixing critical stuff like...hear me out...cracking PCBs...?
@@rnwilliams44 I'm not gonna tell you to be afraid or don't care about it but I have my card since august 2021. The PC with the GPU inside has been in a car for a 60km drive on not so great roads. Besides that, I've pulled the GPU out like 5-6 times now for just regular cleaning. After all of this nothing's wrong on the GPU, I'm gonna consider getting a sag bracket probably but still. I can understand why you wouldn't want to get the GPU out though.
In Australia we don’t even get Founders Edition cards! I think intel is the only one. Nvidia can barely supply enough FE cards in stock, I think it would be a bad move on their behalf to push AIB partners out. I remember when the 4090 released every AIB and FE card was out of stock for weeks! If it was just FE cards in the market, GPUs would become very unattainable. But perhaps that’s what nvidia wants? Unattainable GPUs prices are inflated as we saw in the crypto scandal.
There is no way nvidia want to remove AIB and selling their founders only. The AIB system exist so nvidia/amd/intel can get optimal profit by shifting most of the cost towards AIB. They only need to care about pure margin they can get from the chip. Although they usually still bundle their gpu chip with memory. But some AIB also secure their own supply of memory.
@@LukeBroadhurstfilm incorrect, you can purchase AIB versions (Ventus, TUF, Eagle etc) but you can also purchase a FE model from the AIBs with the same shroud, they are all identical. Google the XT or XTX mate, it takes 30 seconds to realise you’re wrong.
I have read about people with 7900xtx's heat pipe problems that they bought from newegg from overseas. The overseas says "go to newegg for warranty" and newegg says "got to amd for warranty" and amd says, "you are overseas? go to newegg for warranty" and these people are screwed. USA laws make the retailer responsible for warranty claims but only for USA customers, supposedly.
"PC Partner Group" makes the AMD reference cards. The individual makers (saphire, xfx, zotac, gigabyte, asus, etc.) are just reselling those reference cards, all made by "PC Partner Group". That's why you needn't worry about buying a super el-cheapo BioStar reference cards (biostar is a new maker and does not have a great name yet) as they are not made by BioStar.
i specifically have a case with a horizontal motherboard because i was concerned with how large the cpu coolers and gpus have become. i didnt want that weight pulling on the board. i had an fx8350 and a furyx for about 8 years on a regular micro atx vertically oriented motherboard, when i took the motherboard out it was bowed. cant imagine how much a regular atx board would have bent. blows my mind they dont make more horizontal motherboard cases.
personally own a GPU from gigabyte (RTX 2070 Super) that i own for 2 1/2 years now and it's got a 105°c hotspot (on one temp sensor only, while the other two temp sensors are at 80°c) that leads the GPU to ignore custom fan curves and just ramp up to 4000rpm that you can hear throughout the entire house. i'm hoping that switching out thermal paste will fix it. maybe it was poorly applied in the factory or it dried up, but i'm at the point where i'm scared to pull it out of the PCIe slot because of the notch 😭
Right before the prices hiked during the "you know what"...I got a 2070 Super Gigabyte, now I have to crank the Fans because the controller won't in 3D or crashes will occur.
I had a gigabyte aorus 2060 super, upgraded to an aorus 3070 TI, and recently an aorus 4090 master(maybe the biggest card ever), all on an aorus x470 gaming 7 wifi mb. No problems with any of them. I believe the current issue is improper installation, coupled with bad power trace placement on gigabytes part. Big cards need more then the basic support, to believe all that weight would be held by a thin piece of pcb and not crack is funny. Many more brands may be seeing the same issue, only their traces are different so the same crack would not have any effects and never even be noticed unless pulled and closely examined. Msi has traces in similar path and I have found examples of the exact same failure on them. In short take proper precautions and install proper supports. The 4090 came with a bracket for additional attachment points to the case making it rock solid.
If you purchase their low end, they cut quality a lot. More so, than any other companies. If their high end have a problem, then they deserve their reputation.
My 2080 was a Gigabyte card and it was still going strong after 4 years until I replaced it recently. It felt cheap and the fans were starting to get noisy. I went back to MSI for my new card and it feels higher quality with nicer fans. We’ll see how it’s going in four years.
Vertical mounting is definitely the way to go. Either way, Gigabyte and all the rest need to include an anti sag bracket/support in the box. These cards are just massive and for nearly $2k this should just be the standard.
My cause is horizontal, with the motherboard mounted horizontally, and the graphics card mounted vertically, so there's basically no chance of this happening to me, and no risk of GPU sag... And I'm using a Sapphire graphics card as well.
So is this only happening to their NVIDIA cards, or is this happening to their AMD cards too? I've always had a soft spot for Gigabyte, and I'm building my new setup around using as many gigabyte parts as I can.
I am going to have to say the problem has to be user error. I have used Gigabyte cards for multiple card generations, since 2008 or so I think and I have always traveled with my tower to friends houses for gaming sessions. I have a Gigabyte 4090 now, mounted horizontal and I used the included anti-sag bracket. So far so good. Knock on wood. Never had a GPU die since the early 2000s.
im glad that news like this spread like wild fire, i almost bought the gigabyte 4090 just cause its on the cheaper end and europe has like 300€ premium cost on the normal price.
Honestly? This is honestly what EVGA knew way ahead. The prices are crazy and barely enough to handle RMA's. I expected this to happen as well but not this soon since I expected that to happen when the 4090 Ti Launches. AIB partners are gonna drop like flies and Ngreedia will soon find out what's gonna happen next to their company
Yeah, ASUS is having no problems granting RMAs now, because when they first told everyone to get bent, several Home Depot's worth of torches and pitchforks showed up to take exception.
My first GIGABYTE product was a GA-AB350M-Gaming-3... The BIOS update was a mess... The audio driver had a weird issue where it would disconnect and reconnect my headset because the motherboard "detected" a connection in my front case audio jack. But there was none, so you had to disable it manually with some strange configuration. If you disabled it without changing that strange config, it would keep connecting and disconnecting my headset... And it happened like 5 to 7 times every hour, randomly... Since then, I've never purchased any GIGABYTE products again.
By the way, I'm still pissed at the AIBs which specifically made mining GPUs with no IO, meaning that they couldn't be used by regular consumers (without running the output through your iGPU via the HDMI/DP port on your motherboard) and are now probably all going to that great e-waste dumpster in the sky. They took GPUs and made them into cards they could sell to miners for exorbitant prices while standard cards were nearly impossible to buy . A RTX 3060 Ti sold for 700 or more dollars, which is INSANE for a midrange card. This was the hype train they were riding and are now realizing that they're stuck in it while it's driving over a cliff.
My MSI 3080 came with a mounting bracket to keep sag from happening.
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When i saw this problem popping up I personally put it on the user. I know ppl are excited to use the card, but gigabyte ships them with a BRACKET. I had my gigabyte 4090 for 2 years and sold it for more than I bought it. I installed 3 fans underneath the GPU and I blasted my case fans to keep it cool and didn't overclock it because I realized replacing a case fan is less costly than replacing the fans on the gpu. Ppl need to take care of what they have. I have tons of gigabyte/aorus products and I've personally had no problems.
12 pin melting is not a user error its planned obselence badly designed connector that is not designed for margin of error and does not click in correctly with a clip that is only holding the middle instead of having much bigger clip of the entire width of the connector least
For real though, Gigabyte has been involved in 2 somewhat, serious issues recently. Bios and Windows Security on their motherboards and GPUs cracking. I did the Bios Update on my board as soon as I seen the news about it The update had already been up for a day or two so they were on top of it at least. The GPU thing is just a bad Decision where what could go wrong, did go wrong The bigger issue is them not honouring their warranties Yes, it’s a Massive blow. Financially But it’s something they’ll never do again if they were to do this properly Personally, I’ve never had a problem with a Gigabyte product. I’ve never used one of their PSUs and avoided buying Gigabyte for that very reason too There isn’t really one Solid Company at the moment, Asus and MSI have their issues NZXT Mobos, do they even still make those ? AsRock, is.. AsRock, like they’re fine, they’ve had some issues in the past Is Biostar even in the game anymore 😅 We lost a good one in EVGA. Gone but never forgotten (even they had their issues) But PR wise, and overall Quality, EVGA was the good standard EVGA left for some other reasons too
I used to be a fanboi then I had a mobo that was 8 months old from them. It had an issue where their bios was super charged and burning peoples boards, cpu, and ram. Well, mine only burned the motherboard (lucky) and they refused to cross ship. After a lot of fighting with them, showing them this was a problem documented online by a ton of people, and being under warranty they said the best they would do is I pay for shipping to them IN TAIWAN, and they will look at it. They will either repair it or ship it back to me taking 2-3 months. I bought a MSI Pro Carbon AC after watching Buildzoid's vid. Immediately, everything ran 10c cooler and I could actually o/c if I wanted too. I am still rocking that B450 that just had an upgrade from the 1600 16GB to a 5600 48GB. I swore off all things Gigabyte after the way they treated me (on the phone too). Eff 'em.
My first AIB GPU was a Creative Voodoo 2 8MB 3DFX accelerator add in card paired with my onboard Matrox 2D graphics chip, back in the day of my first windows based PC. AIBs came about in the late 90s I believe when a Pentium 233MHz with 16MB of RAM and 2.1GB HDD was considered an ok mid range spec.
EVGA was a premium AIB and they abandoned the GPU market for good reasons. The only way AIBs can increase their margins is by dropping the quality of their boards and bolted on parts (coolers, fans, RGB, etc.), since that's the only component they can really influece. The GPU and VRAM chips aren't made by them, but by AMD, Nvidia, Micron, Samsung and so on, so they can't cut corners by making their own, cheaper ones. And cost cutting measures will result in more cards failing, leading to more warranty cases, leading to more cards having to be replaced, leading to customers moving away from the brand and perhaps never returning. Long story short: AIBs can't survive in the long run when Nvidia and AMD are squeezing them this hard, gouging their profit margins, expecting them to do the heavy lifting in terms of customer support and advertising. But I doubt that AMD and Nvidia can compensate for more and more AIBs dropping out with their Founder's Edition cards, as they may not have the required production infrastructure. Unless they buy up their bankrupt former AIBs and just take over the entire graphics cards production from beginning to end. Maybe that's the plan all along.
cannot w8 to see nvidia releasing 1kw mid/high range gpus cause the only custom cooling system will be liquid cooling anyway... tbh? I'd rly like to see this consumer ai bubble exploding like mining one, just so that they lose heavy money, ngl.
I had a Gigabyte RTX 3080 for two years that I pulled out of a cyberpower prebuilt, it was handled weekly to put in and pull out to test other cards, never had an issue
It's because the cooling design has not evolved in 2 decades. For both gpus and gpus. Because of how much heat components output today, and also the size of the PCBs increasing, PCs need a complete deisgn overhaul. PC cases use the same design for nearly 3 decades now. The component layout we are familiar with, is no longer efficient.
Its multiple factors making Gigabyte GPU pcb crack. - thickness of pcb is like 25% less than from other brands. - bigger cutout behind pcii-e connector increase pcb weakness - putting thin signal wires on weakest part of pcb instead of solid copper (ground) increase weakness on pcb. - its also possible that quality of pcb is lower adding again more weaknes to it. I had had RTX 3080 founders edition and it had terrible coil whine so it stayed in only about 30 minutes.
Gigabyte. I avoid like the plague. I have listened to the reviews of their GPU's being cheaply made. Smaller than other GPU makers, in terms of cooling or PCB's.
I used to be a fanboi then I had a mobo that was 8 months old from them. It had an issue where their bios was super charged and burning peoples boards, cpu, and ram. Well, mine only burned the motherboard (lucky) and they refused to cross ship. After a lot of fighting with them, showing them this was a problem documented online by a ton of people, and being under warranty they said the best they would do is I pay for shipping to them IN TAIWAN, and they will look at it. They will either repair it or ship it back to me taking 2-3 months. I bought a MSI Pro Carbon AC after watching Buildzoid's vid. Immediately, everything ran 10c cooler and I could actually o/c if I wanted too. I am still rocking that B450 that just had an upgrade from the 1600 16GB to a 5600 48GB. I swore off all things Gigabyte after the way they treated me (on the phone too). Eff 'em.
@@Vonklieve The only thing I dislike about my MSI motherboard, or any of theirs, is their audio went to that stupid French compmany and I hate their software. I much prefer the standard Realtek drivers but they refuse to allow that, so I am using the last driver that is 100% Realtek (I actually prefer their simple EQ etc...) and I can't ever upgrade.
@@generalawareness101 I am old fashioned, I stick to a Creative Soundcard. So never have rely on motherboard sound. I recommend the Creative A5 Plus, RGB and great sound. Not that expensive either.
@@Vonklieve No slots for that now. I grew up with Soundblaster, but when HD audio hit (ALC) you just didn't need it. AC97 was bad but my board uses digital audio so that helps. I saw the creative software, had it too, and it was so much bloat just ugh.
You almost need some kind of brace for your GPU. My RedDevil is nearly 2.25 kilo/5lbs , it sticks out past the slot nearly six or more inches.The entire GPU / case situation needs to be rethought where both ends add the extra support with thicker pc boards or new mounting methods.
I agree, my pc case has provisions for and includes a GPU brace solution which I have incorporated. TOO many people worried to much about having fairground lighting and what the system looks like inside rather than a build that is best designed for trouble free function. I am one that wants no RGB lighting and never look at my PC other than the front panel power/usb ports as what I worry about how it looks is on my monitor.
Don't think it is gigabyte fault tbh, if you install the card properly. Their support bracket is actually one of the best and a really solid mount, i have installed a few of them myself. These things must be happening because of user error and systems being dropped in shipping. A lot of prebuild seller use gigabyte cards so it is more likely for it to happen to them.
Yeah, I had my gigabyte 4090 installed with the support bracket from launch because common sense told me to install it due to the size of the card. With that said, I've had no issues with my GPU since owning it...and I even moved my pc to a new apartment fully assembled with the gpu inside.
Well, I bought a Gigabyte gaming oc 4080 2 weeks ago before knowing about this but I found that the card is pretty solid. I think the issue was with 30 series. Anyway I was very careful installing it and no issues so far. The reason I went with Gigabyte was because ita has the best vrms and cooling out of all the other same price aibs 4080s.
Every prebuilt computer should come with an anti-sag bracket for the GPU. End users especially non-builders often do not figure out in time the necessity of this accessory with these massive cards. If you don't have one yet, it's only a few bucks for a lot of piece of mind.
Also, when overclocking, waaaaay better to hit ctrl-F and set a voltage point, my 3080 is running 2050mhz @ 981mV, and it rarely goes above 250W. The adding 260, doesn't translate 1 to 1 like it's not your 1850mhz + 260. GPU boost algorithm comes into play there, usually 3080s with about +110 are already trying to hit 2200mhz which is rarely stable with Ampere outside of good 3080ti/3090/3090tis.
Dont skimp on the pcb. You would not saying that if your $2,000 card just bit the dust because of the manufacturer error and they won't uphold their return
Advice: whenever you use acronyms first use and define the entire word beforehand. It would be good to work in using the full word and definition multiple times in the video for retention purposes.
Glad i didnt get a gigabyte card or anything from them. After their psu fiasco and other horror stories of people rma experience i stayed away from them. I had no idea which graphic card aib to get and in the end i thought getting the founders edition was the safest choice.
The 4070 is the most popular 40 series card, at the moment. I believe. As for AIB's, Gigabyte is to blame!! Gigabyte like Asus and MSi make a ton of money in monitors, power supplies, motherboards etc. I have a gigabyte monitor and love it. Gigabyte is value range company. Gigabyte, MSI, and Asus are massive companies. Billion dollar companies. Sad, really sad that EVGA the enthusiast company left. They were really the ones who pushed overclocking. I agree that overclocking is pretty much done. It's better to undervolt and save on power and heat. That was bad. The worry is AIB's realize that they can and will invest in better monitors, power supplies, motherboards etc. So for Gigabyte not being able to build good products is bullshit. I built my first PC in 2001. I have been around the pc gaming gig for a long time. Asus is probably the new EVGA. There RTX 4080's are the only 4080's better than the founders edition, which is rare. All this said Nvidia is only going to worry about gamers until they don't have to. If A.I. take off as I believe it will. Nvidia will be charging 2k for 90 models and the performance wont increase that much per generation but the efficiency will.
Gigabyte chose their own PCB to put those components on lol. No-one to blame but them directly mate. Gigabyte has a huge history of massive fails and utter garbage customer service and support. It's the company itself that is the problem. Look at their exploding PSUs!!!!!! It's a crap company with crap products. Always has been for over 20+ years. This isn't anything new from their company. Just business as usual!! And look at what Jay said too!
I have the worst case from them. Dangerously sharp with super thin metal. It have a front fan placement that only fit a slim fan and not the standard fan.
With all the exploading PSU, Mobos frying CPUs, melting connectors, and cracking PCBs, this looks like an end game for the DYI PC market, where every company tries to extract as much value as they can, before everything collapses... But looking from another perspective, in the late 90', there was a graphics chip manufacturer who had a dominant market position, and decided to produce their own graphics cards. A few years later got broke and nVidia bought what remained of them. Let's see for how long they will manage to avoid the same fate. (That manufacturer was 3dfx)
It is best for graphics card manufacturers to do the same as motherboard manufacturers. Produce a graphics card (without GPU), designed for a group of graphics chips and the graphics chips must then be bought separately by the customer from AMD or NVidia (i.e. a graphics card with a socket in which the chip is then inserted).
Talking about the o/c on many current cards today even stock the upper tier cards are taking an extra 25-30% current draw to gain that last 7-8% of performance and as a result run a lot hotter with little to show for it. Most people now on those cards are starting to under volt them instead of O/C them and cutting the power draw way down while still retaining very near the stock performance levels at a much cooler operating temp and helping out the light bill as a bonus.
I've had two gigabyte cards in my life as a pc enthusiast. Both are still working quite well for their age tbh, BUT, the build quality is absolute crap compared to an Asus card. That alone made me come to the decision that I'll never buy from gigabyte again! Then there where these other problems with gigabyte all-around these past couple of years which some are on another level of scummy!! Pretty much the EXACT oposite of EVGA... Now no AIB is perfect, except maybe EVGA ;) they only had one bigger issue with their cards but they seemed to have done their best to fix the situation back then. Now my used strix 3080 didn't last as long as I'd expect it to, fortunately I still had warranty so I got a Palit 4080 in return. I was honestly impressed of the build quality, and well, the card works completely fine. I was a little hesitant at first because I didn't know anything about the brand but they seem fine to me :)
I bought a brand new EVGA card and it stopped working after a week, the shop I bought from would not replace it and EVGA would also not replace it under warranty so could do nothing I landed buying MSI at a different shop and MSI has been the best I have ever had. Now you know why EVGA went under!
I have Gigabyte cards because typically compared to others, were cheaper but still had great cooling. My 2080 was always cool, and even my most recent XTX is cool (I'm hitting 65C when OC'ed on 460 watts) so design wise personally, I don't think they're bad (But size wise, they have some of the biggest cards ever) I was considering getting a EVGA for my next upgrade, but they unfortunately went under. Sapphire is also great, my friend has an XTX Nitro (which I wanted to get but was out of stock at the time), and he's the same temp wise. My 2080 Gaming OC is still being used and is doing amazing temp wise with an overclock. The way I see it, regardless of what brand you go with though, it's a toss up. I'm fortunate enough to live next to a micro center and got their 1 year warranty, but I know others aren't as lucky especially with the RMA if they need to.
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Never had a Gigabyte GPU but I've built computers with their motherboards and they've held up well. A company like EVGA leaving the market tells you everything you need to know about the GPU market.
I had two Gigabyte cards one was a 1050Ti and the other was a 1660Ti, they were good cards had no issues with them but this will destroy their reputation unless they acknowledge the RMAs and preform a recall, which I bet they can't afford especially after that ransomware incident and everyone lost their warranty from it.
same, ive always gone back to gigabyte motherboards even having tried other manufacturers; their boards just have a kind of quality about them i dont really get from other brands, and im always surprised at the feature levels at the price points.
@@thomaslayman9487 I think MSI and Gigabyte make good quality boards Asus use to up until their self destructive AM5 boards.
No. It tells you about the Nvidia market. Nvidia sets a price for the chip, then they set a soft price ceiling with their founder edition cards. There's not a lot of wiggle room between the chip cost and the founder edition cards. I think the number is something like each card is 5% profitable to an AIB after constructing their own board and cooler. It used to be 20-25% only a few generations ago, Nvidia is slowly pricing AIBs out. AMD on the other hand has a much healthier margin with their AIBs. The numbers I've seen from them are somewhere around 15-22% depending on the GPU AMD is selling them. The thing people always forget when talking about Nvidia vs AMD for the GPU space is that AMD is not a GPU company. They are a CPU company that also makes GPUs. Intel and AMD have a different standard of business with their partners, if they priced like Nvidia does all the pre-built tower and laptop manufactures would revolt. That carries over to their GPU business. ASUS is making more off each AMD card sold than they probably are from every three Nvidia cards. But Nvidia is the volume seller. Sapphire is probably doing better still on margins even though less people buy a Sapphire AMD card than an ASUS AMD card. ASUS is a big name, Sapphire isn't. What Sapphire is is AMDs version of EVGA. They are the priority partner because they make AMD look good with add-ons like great customer service. Same as EVGA did. There's a whole bunch of other stuff, like Open Source Drivers. Implementing anything with AMD and Intel is a heck of a lot easier than Nvidia since developers can literally pull the code for the drivers to see how everything works. They don't have to be an Nvidia partner or pay Nvidia for extra support for help getting something to work. Intel and AMD are using standard CPU rules, not Nvidia rules. Nvidia has been so far ahead of the curve with GPUs they can dictate the norm for stuff like this. I'm also not necessarily an AMD fanboy on this, I just come from most of my time spent at a computer is Linux. And I would rather deal with Intel and AMD problems on a machine than Nvidia any day of the week. Nvidia is a nightmare if anything goes wrong on Linux. So the fact AMD and Intel plays by CPU rules with their GPUs is blindingly apparent to me in a way they wouldn't be for a Windows user.
The only gigabyte card I've ever had was a 1650 super. It ran like crap and was super loud and hot
I just wish EVGA would work with AMD and maybe Intel
I can’t imagine EVGA wanting to work with AMD after they dropped the price of their 7600 3 times? How do you start production for a card you think will be 330 and make a profit when by the time it releases its 270
Manufacture are getting just as bad deal from amd.
Intel can offer really sweet deal, but if you can't sell anything, it doesn't matter if your margin is 100%.
7600 should have been max 250$ at launch even though its value lies between 180-200$.
AMD and Nvidia are different clown in the same circus. Nvidia is a big bully to their AIB, while AMD is a clueless goof to their AIB.
for good quality amd has sapphire
Most of those gigabyte cracked gpu are from prebuilt pc it seems. And damage started during transport to end customers.
Glad someone's paying attention
That wouldnt explain why 90% of all dmged cards you can find are gigabyte. Because the share of broken cards should be in line with the share of gigabyte cards in prebuilds, which isn't the case.
@@Sly_404 because maybe 90% prebuild use Gigabyte due to lower price maybe? it needs to be investigated further for sure. But also this is due to their design imo. Normal use it will not break, but under some condition that design is the issue.
@@Sly_404no one is saying there isn't a design flaw with the gigabyte cards, but that flaw is being overblown by people who don't want to mention the very specific use case that is causing these cards to crack, Vex has to know this by now, and I'm assuming he left these details out on purpose for whatever reason
@@quatreraberbawinner2628jayz showed that Gigabyte cards are actually more flimsy then Asus for example
You don't need to worry here in Australia, because we have comsumer laws that protects us form being denied a refund
This is why I always tell people, “Don’t buy a Pre Built PC”
Always build yourself
EVGA looks smarter and smarter every day.
To reduce the costs to the maximum they cut off too much of the PCB just above the PCIe connection to save some $ so with so heavy GPUs the PCB is just breaking.
Now let's add to this that people are now pushing their cards very hard when they plug the 12HWPR cable to be sure it is connected properly because of the melting drama.
And most probably some (or most) of these cards are from prebuilt systems so PCBs are breaking during transport because they are so heavy these days.
Looking at AMDs and Nvidias annual reports, it's apparent that both companies simply don't rely on the end-consumer GPU segment much anymore. Not only can the offset bad sales there with other, higher margin segments (commercial (AI) products, APUs, mobile products and gaming consoles). To make matters worse, these segements partially compete with each other for limited resources (particular silicone). Nvidia for instance is of the opinion, that end consumer products need to be sold at similar margins that they can achive on commercial products. If they don't (which they don't much atm), they simply shift production away from GPUs to AI. It's not that they actually loose out. The ones that hold the bag are the AIBs as they don't benefit from anything AMD and Nvidia are doing outside of the GPU segment.
didn't evga signed a non-compete with nvidia after leaving.
I know the plan of Jensen and it is frightening, but his intent, by every thing he holds dear and has alluded to, to go the Apple model for cards. That sucks for us as you want a card it will be an Nvidia only at whatever inflated price they wish to charge not caring if they sell them to us or not as, eventually, their goal is to get out from the gamer's market and go full on business AI/ML instead. When a card sells for 45k you can sell one, sit back take it easy, and it is equivalent to selling 30 4090s. Much less hassle for them.
Most AIB only selling discrete gpu as a side business. Gigabyte? Just look what Gigabyte product did linus cover at the recent computex.
@@arenzricodexd4409It’s still is the largest revenue contributor for most AIB partners though.
This guy gets it.
I've been buying high end Gigabyte cards for the past 4 years because they usually had no issues with coil whine and were easy to take apart. My 3090 Xtreme has waterblock on it and is also supported by stand so sits perfectly horizontally in the slot. I always felt like Gigabyte's cards have much more "flexible" PCBs than other brands tho, it can really crack with that 4 slot cooler when you move the case around or kick it accidentally.
I do think it's pretty goofy to say "NVIDIA IS GIVING AIBs 5% PROFIT MARGINS AND IT'S KILLING THEM CHECK OUT THIS RESEARCH" is the same thing as "AMD CHANGED THE PRICE OF A GPU A DAY BEFORE LAUNCH ONCE"
Like one is clearly showing Nvidia strangling the life out of their partners' business, and the other is a major inconvenience, but by and large the AIBs seem very happy with the cut they get on Radeon cards.
Even asus refuse warranty on gpu i had
No company is perfect
If they refuse warranty go with home insurance
Never thought I’d be glad to buy Asrock 😂😂
People used to talk trash about AsRock but after the Asus mess AsRock is looking pretty good and honestly they have stepped up their quality in the last couple years
The problem is that this board manufacturers get very limited profits from this things. Most go to Nvidia(which is why EVGA got their toys and left).
So when a problem in mass starts appearing they feel horror at the thought of compensating because they will make zero profit and start trying to find every excuse to avoid servicing you or compensating you.
This pcb cracking is caused by shipping the cards in prebuilds. Not by customers fitting the card or GPU sagging. GPU sagging can cause v ram pad issues after time use the support brackets or stands.
AIB-s are there to give the customers the impression of variety and choice and thus allows Nvidia to sell more cards. It's the same strategy that many international companies like Unilever, Procter and Gable and so on do. You think you can choose between 3-4 products but it's all made by the same company and the profits always return to the same company.
My Gigabyte 1070 still runs strong 6 - 7 years later, can't say I had much problems with them. My old trusty 760 is still in a computer somewhere, Gigabyte as well.
We can't get any founders editions in Australia. Only the more expensive AIB versions are available to us. Getting scalped.
I have bought an Gigabyte RX 7900XTX
The gpu bracket doesent fit my case
I used a gpu stand😅
In the video Jay did about the gigabyte cards breaking, you could see that even though the pcb was thicker than the other card, (I think it was asus?) the gigabyte board had a lot more flex in it, as well as an addition cutout in the tab area weakening it even further.
Sagging is not going to crack these boards. If the PC is dropped maybe. In that case the card should be supported with some bracing. What I think is happening is these cards are so large the release mechanism is not visible and some people cannot remember where to press the mechanism for release so they forcibly remove it.
Not doubting that, but if Gigabytes PCB is lower quality than competitors, which is resulting in cracking it’s still an issue.
Why can't they supply one of those Graphics card stands ?
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat it doesn't need it. PC's are not supposed to be dropped.
@@inmypaants unless someone does a stress test on a good board we won't know.
@@0x8badbeef you think Gigabyte owners are more likely to yank the card out without correctly releasing? If these are the cards with cracks in the PCB and you think a driver is people not releasing correctly then it seems like Gigabyte either make lower quality PCBs, or their customers behave differently, or the cause differs from what you’ve suggested.
Great video, i recently bought a used 6900 XT(MSI Gaming X Trio). Was told it was bought 2021 September. At first i had problems, 100-105C on junction. Even was asking to return it. However, actually its so big specially with the extra support bracket that i didnt notice my power cable stopped 1 fan from working.
After some moving around it can run newer games at 4K with a temp of around 84-87C on junction. Now the amazing thing is im running a 550W power supply, underclocked and undervolted it abit. Takes around 240W running 4k maxed god of war at around 75 fps in the start, also no more psu crashes.
Will soon get a more powerful PSU anyway, but this card is just amazing.
My daughter was playing VR and our old doggo ran across the cord yanking my whole PC over on its side, slamming down, the GPU ripped right out of the mobo - broke the locking pin right off the mobo, I quickly shut the PSU switch off. The headset went flying off my kid's head breaking on the floor. After some rage and reviewing the state of my machine, some PSU cables were jostled, shoved the GPU back into there, and it booted up just fine and hasn't had any problems. Pulling on your GPU with the locking pin locked shouldn't break your GPU if mine ripped the pin off at impact velocities. It's gotta be GPU sag due to lack of support around the PCIe slot part of the PCB and overall structural flimsiness allowing all the weight to bend that part of the PCB right there. If it was the locking pin cracking peoples' GPUs then this would've been happening forever with all GPUs, except it hasn't, it's only happening with these relatively newer Gigabyte GPUs.
That is why AIB brand now are diversifying their product range... at least I see it from the 3 main brand ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte.
i started disliking Gigabyte when their RMA messed with me as well, i bought a B550M Aorus Elite from a PC Service shop back in december 2020, 6 months in and it already broke refusing to boot up, Gigabyte haggled that PC Service shop for 2 weeks just to try to avoid the RMA, then it took 1 more week to do the actual RMA, they "repaired" the board so well that now it boots up but it has a change to get stuck in the startup screen where the boot menu can be accessed, essentially having only the AORUS logo on the screen, needing to turn it off and on again. My dad also had a Gigabyte A320 motherboard that broke, he bought an ASRock and is much happier.
the other Gigabyte product i owned was a GTX 750 TI, which still works, it's in my dad's current computer
I decided to give Gigabyte a go in the 90's when they were a much less known manufacturer. They were advertising their superior capasitors and at the time there were a lot of stories of caps blowing up on MB's (didn't follow the stories that well back then the internet was still a baby). To be fair to them they blew me away, it was a good board, it had a fan and sink on the northbridge, something only the most expensive boards had at the time. Even their BIOS was easy to follow (for the 90's that is saying something). So for many years I would used their stuff on and off, a MB here, a GPU there, although never exclusively, they slowly went up the ladder to become one of the best and most reliable.
Yet, in recent times, quality control during design and development seems to have fallen right off. Along with Asus I'm going to hold off buying Gigabyte for sometime, sometimes you need companies to fail to wake up the others, so they don't do the same things, like Fing over customers or cutting too many corners.
However we can't not mention the role the teams have on this (be it green, red or blue), the big boys are bulling the little guys into desperation, and they don't seem to care. Going to say it again, the future of PC gaming is being pushed into the exclusive/premium end, and it's not nice, something has to be done soon.
I had the gigabyte 2070 super and its sad to hear the woes...
I just replaced it with the ...yes, a terrible purchase... the Sapphire Radeon 7600 since it was smaller, less power use, less heat, and just a smidge better (2080 super) .... but I'm happy... love the thing... its a beautiful card too.
Grafix cards are NOT worth paying alot unless you are getting 4k ultra @150+ fps with no gimmicks, on an oled 4k tv/MONITOR with NO NOISE LIKE WHINE OR FAN, HEAT, AND UNGODLY TDP DRAW!
Thanks to this channel i made the jump to the Red team grafix.
I wasnt going to buy a card but i wanted the benefits i had listed. Yes, its still overpriced but not stupidly overpriced.
Keep up the great channel man...
Again, i love, love the Sapphire's 7600...
Make sure you uninstall the Nvidia grafix drivers properly... look it up amd get the chipset drivers too.. mine was an amd itx board.
Love Sapphire...what a beautiful card
I play in 1440... if you are curious
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Indie games:Graveyard Keeper, Death's Door, Riftbreaker, Transistor,
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Two monitor setup: 1440 and 1080
I had a 2080S that was purchased at the end of 2019 that JUST so happened to fail 3 weeks out of warranty. This type of stuff is never "just once SKU", or just one segment. Gigabyte has been cutting corners for years and the results of that corner cutting are now manifesting.
I ordered a 3-fan gigabyte 6750xt a couple weeks ago. Am I in trouble if I don't get a stand-thingy for it?
I have Gigabyte RTX 3060 12GB , This model: GV-N3060WF2OC-12GD .
The card is 2 fan model, very lightweight and short, doesn't sag at all. But those beasty 3-fan 3060's, 3080's, 3090's ....they are arround 30+ cm in lenghts with heavy cooling solution, they sag like male sex organ when you are drunk and hidraulics fail, and Gigabyte is using too thin PCB IMO to handle those material stresses. Usage of anti-sag supports is strongly advised. If you can't afford it right now, lay your PC horozontaly as a temporary fix. Good luck.
I think that if gigabyte would be upfront and give a warning about sag or handling, the honesty alone would make me trust them, and I would just buy support for the gpu
I have a gigabtye 7900 XTX which game with a support bracket, it would be virtually impossible for cracks to form with the support bracket installed correctly.
Oh man. I was about to go for the 4080 gaming oc. I'm not sure what to get anymore :D
It's mostly with horizontal position cards. I have one that was mounted vertically and it still looks brand new.
It's been apparent that Nvidia wants to be like apple for years at this point. The second they moved their coolers to a dual fan design it was clear that they wanted to start edging aib partners out of the market. It's also why they wanted to own arm, so they could own the cpu side of things for their majority revenue side of the business.
Even their ceo is apple isheep...
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After seeing their PSUs, I’m not gonna buy Gigabyte ever again and I’m glad 😅
Plus the whole insecurity in their motherboards, they're not having a good time
I pulled my Gigabyte 3060Ti from my PC and the PCB seems fine, it's not flexy like in JTC's video. Maybe the cards to fail are the bigger ones even though this 3060Ti is the Gaming OC Pro thing that's not necessarily small. Also, they seem to have at least 2 revisions on most of their cards (at least 30 series). My card says it's rev 3.0 which I'm not really sure why would you do that besides fixing critical stuff like...hear me out...cracking PCBs...?
Mine is the 2.0 revision, and its been working fine since November. Now, I'm afraid to take it out of the motherboard out of the risk of cracking it.
@@rnwilliams44 I'm not gonna tell you to be afraid or don't care about it but I have my card since august 2021. The PC with the GPU inside has been in a car for a 60km drive on not so great roads. Besides that, I've pulled the GPU out like 5-6 times now for just regular cleaning. After all of this nothing's wrong on the GPU, I'm gonna consider getting a sag bracket probably but still. I can understand why you wouldn't want to get the GPU out though.
In Australia we don’t even get Founders Edition cards!
I think intel is the only one.
Nvidia can barely supply enough FE cards in stock, I think it would be a bad move on their behalf to push AIB partners out. I remember when the 4090 released every AIB and FE card was out of stock for weeks! If it was just FE cards in the market, GPUs would become very unattainable. But perhaps that’s what nvidia wants? Unattainable GPUs prices are inflated as we saw in the crypto scandal.
They'd much rather sell the chips to proffesional market for triple the margins
We also get founders edition AMD cards, they’re just packaged by the AIBs but they are all the FE
@@inmypaants the cooler shrouds are not FE. It’s the AIB designs
There is no way nvidia want to remove AIB and selling their founders only. The AIB system exist so nvidia/amd/intel can get optimal profit by shifting most of the cost towards AIB. They only need to care about pure margin they can get from the chip. Although they usually still bundle their gpu chip with memory. But some AIB also secure their own supply of memory.
@@LukeBroadhurstfilm incorrect, you can purchase AIB versions (Ventus, TUF, Eagle etc) but you can also purchase a FE model from the AIBs with the same shroud, they are all identical. Google the XT or XTX mate, it takes 30 seconds to realise you’re wrong.
I have read about people with 7900xtx's heat pipe problems that they bought from newegg from overseas. The overseas says "go to newegg for warranty" and newegg says "got to amd for warranty" and amd says, "you are overseas? go to newegg for warranty" and these people are screwed. USA laws make the retailer responsible for warranty claims but only for USA customers, supposedly.
Just a quick note. AMD's reference card is also made by the board partners. It will say ASRock or Sapphire in their descriptions on New Egg
"PC Partner Group" makes the AMD reference cards. The individual makers (saphire, xfx, zotac, gigabyte, asus, etc.) are just reselling those reference cards, all made by "PC Partner Group". That's why you needn't worry about buying a super el-cheapo BioStar reference cards (biostar is a new maker and does not have a great name yet) as they are not made by BioStar.
msi had problems with the thermal pads on the vram only cooling half of the chip.
i specifically have a case with a horizontal motherboard because i was concerned with how large the cpu coolers and gpus have become. i didnt want that weight pulling on the board.
i had an fx8350 and a furyx for about 8 years on a regular micro atx vertically oriented motherboard, when i took the motherboard out it was bowed. cant imagine how much a regular atx board would have bent.
blows my mind they dont make more horizontal motherboard cases.
personally own a GPU from gigabyte (RTX 2070 Super) that i own for 2 1/2 years now and it's got a 105°c hotspot (on one temp sensor only, while the other two temp sensors are at 80°c) that leads the GPU to ignore custom fan curves and just ramp up to 4000rpm that you can hear throughout the entire house.
i'm hoping that switching out thermal paste will fix it. maybe it was poorly applied in the factory or it dried up, but i'm at the point where i'm scared to pull it out of the PCIe slot because of the notch
😭
Right before the prices hiked during the "you know what"...I got a 2070 Super Gigabyte, now I have to crank the Fans because the controller won't in 3D or crashes will occur.
In 2017/2018 my 980 died turning a corner in Final Fantasy 15, and Gigabyte sent me out a 1080 no questions asked. I've trusted them ever since. 🤷♂
I had a gigabyte aorus 2060 super, upgraded to an aorus 3070 TI, and recently an aorus 4090 master(maybe the biggest card ever), all on an aorus x470 gaming 7 wifi mb. No problems with any of them.
I believe the current issue is improper installation, coupled with bad power trace placement on gigabytes part. Big cards need more then the basic support, to believe all that weight would be held by a thin piece of pcb and not crack is funny. Many more brands may be seeing the same issue, only their traces are different so the same crack would not have any effects and never even be noticed unless pulled and closely examined. Msi has traces in similar path and I have found examples of the exact same failure on them.
In short take proper precautions and install proper supports. The 4090 came with a bracket for additional attachment points to the case making it rock solid.
If you purchase their low end, they cut quality a lot. More so, than any other companies. If their high end have a problem, then they deserve their reputation.
Is Foxconn making most of the PCBs accross the GPU market ?
I'm trying to get a 1k build, but I do need some recommendations. Could you help me out?
My 2080 was a Gigabyte card and it was still going strong after 4 years until I replaced it recently. It felt cheap and the fans were starting to get noisy. I went back to MSI for my new card and it feels higher quality with nicer fans. We’ll see how it’s going in four years.
Vertical mounting is definitely the way to go. Either way, Gigabyte and all the rest need to include an anti sag bracket/support in the box. These cards are just massive and for nearly $2k this should just be the standard.
A lot of newer cards come with anti-sag in the box nowadays but back then, I don't know.
My cause is horizontal, with the motherboard mounted horizontally, and the graphics card mounted vertically, so there's basically no chance of this happening to me, and no risk of GPU sag... And I'm using a Sapphire graphics card as well.
Same here. I really enjoy horizontal cases
So is this only happening to their NVIDIA cards, or is this happening to their AMD cards too?
I've always had a soft spot for Gigabyte, and I'm building my new setup around using as many gigabyte parts as I can.
I am going to have to say the problem has to be user error. I have used Gigabyte cards for multiple card generations, since 2008 or so I think and I have always traveled with my tower to friends houses for gaming sessions. I have a Gigabyte 4090 now, mounted horizontal and I used the included anti-sag bracket. So far so good. Knock on wood. Never had a GPU die since the early 2000s.
Best way to stop a problem right there, prevent it in the first place
im glad that news like this spread like wild fire, i almost bought the gigabyte 4090 just cause its on the cheaper end and europe has like 300€ premium cost on the normal price.
Honestly? This is honestly what EVGA knew way ahead. The prices are crazy and barely enough to handle RMA's. I expected this to happen as well but not this soon since I expected that to happen when the 4090 Ti Launches. AIB partners are gonna drop like flies and Ngreedia will soon find out what's gonna happen next to their company
Except Nvidia doesn't need gamers to make money anymore. They have ai tech development and they're leading the way making gobs of money.
@@27Zangle why for a couple years. Why they haven't been pandering to the 'gamer'.
Yeah, ASUS is having no problems granting RMAs now, because when they first told everyone to get bent, several Home Depot's worth of torches and pitchforks showed up to take exception.
Is my Aorus RX5700XT affected ?
My first GIGABYTE product was a GA-AB350M-Gaming-3...
The BIOS update was a mess... The audio driver had a weird issue where it would disconnect and reconnect my headset because the motherboard "detected" a connection in my front case audio jack. But there was none, so you had to disable it manually with some strange configuration. If you disabled it without changing that strange config, it would keep connecting and disconnecting my headset...
And it happened like 5 to 7 times every hour, randomly...
Since then, I've never purchased any GIGABYTE products again.
By the way, I'm still pissed at the AIBs which specifically made mining GPUs with no IO, meaning that they couldn't be used by regular consumers (without running the output through your iGPU via the HDMI/DP port on your motherboard) and are now probably all going to that great e-waste dumpster in the sky. They took GPUs and made them into cards they could sell to miners for exorbitant prices while standard cards were nearly impossible to buy . A RTX 3060 Ti sold for 700 or more dollars, which is INSANE for a midrange card. This was the hype train they were riding and are now realizing that they're stuck in it while it's driving over a cliff.
My MSI 3080 came with a mounting bracket to keep sag from happening.
When i saw this problem popping up I personally put it on the user. I know ppl are excited to use the card, but gigabyte ships them with a BRACKET. I had my gigabyte 4090 for 2 years and sold it for more than I bought it. I installed 3 fans underneath the GPU and I blasted my case fans to keep it cool and didn't overclock it because I realized replacing a case fan is less costly than replacing the fans on the gpu. Ppl need to take care of what they have. I have tons of gigabyte/aorus products and I've personally had no problems.
Yup. Not touching gigabyte vidcards now.
12 pin melting is not a user error its planned obselence badly designed connector that is not designed for margin of error and does not click in correctly with a clip that is only holding the middle instead of having much bigger clip of the entire width of the connector least
1000 IQ
For real though,
Gigabyte has been involved in 2 somewhat, serious issues recently.
Bios and Windows Security on their motherboards and GPUs cracking.
I did the Bios Update on my board as soon as I seen the news about it
The update had already been up for a day or two so they were on top of it at least.
The GPU thing is just a bad Decision where what could go wrong, did go wrong
The bigger issue is them not honouring their warranties
Yes, it’s a Massive blow. Financially
But it’s something they’ll never do again if they were to do this properly
Personally, I’ve never had a problem with a Gigabyte product.
I’ve never used one of their PSUs and avoided buying Gigabyte for that very reason too
There isn’t really one Solid Company at the moment,
Asus and MSI have their issues
NZXT Mobos, do they even still make those ?
AsRock, is.. AsRock, like they’re fine, they’ve had some issues in the past
Is Biostar even in the game anymore 😅
We lost a good one in EVGA.
Gone but never forgotten (even they had their issues)
But PR wise, and overall Quality, EVGA was the good standard
EVGA left for some other reasons too
What kind of issues does MSI have ?
@@tdws52s MSI got attacked by ransomware, which led to compromised Intel Boot Guard private keys
Does ASRock have any issues? if it doesn't it might be the brand to go with currently
@@miaiguy yeah I remember that but do they have hardware problems ?
I used to be a fanboi then I had a mobo that was 8 months old from them. It had an issue where their bios was super charged and burning peoples boards, cpu, and ram. Well, mine only burned the motherboard (lucky) and they refused to cross ship. After a lot of fighting with them, showing them this was a problem documented online by a ton of people, and being under warranty they said the best they would do is I pay for shipping to them IN TAIWAN, and they will look at it. They will either repair it or ship it back to me taking 2-3 months. I bought a MSI Pro Carbon AC after watching Buildzoid's vid. Immediately, everything ran 10c cooler and I could actually o/c if I wanted too. I am still rocking that B450 that just had an upgrade from the 1600 16GB to a 5600 48GB. I swore off all things Gigabyte after the way they treated me (on the phone too). Eff 'em.
Sitting here with my Gigabyte 4090 wondering, will it burn or crack?
Does Gigabyte has any problem with their. motherboard
My last 3 cards were Gigabyte and I never had any problems.. strange.
Glad my card didn't crack I guess.
My first AIB GPU was a Creative Voodoo 2 8MB 3DFX accelerator add in card paired with my onboard Matrox 2D graphics chip, back in the day of my first windows based PC. AIBs came about in the late 90s I believe when a Pentium 233MHz with 16MB of RAM and 2.1GB HDD was considered an ok mid range spec.
EVGA was a premium AIB and they abandoned the GPU market for good reasons. The only way AIBs can increase their margins is by dropping the quality of their boards and bolted on parts (coolers, fans, RGB, etc.), since that's the only component they can really influece. The GPU and VRAM chips aren't made by them, but by AMD, Nvidia, Micron, Samsung and so on, so they can't cut corners by making their own, cheaper ones. And cost cutting measures will result in more cards failing, leading to more warranty cases, leading to more cards having to be replaced, leading to customers moving away from the brand and perhaps never returning.
Long story short: AIBs can't survive in the long run when Nvidia and AMD are squeezing them this hard, gouging their profit margins, expecting them to do the heavy lifting in terms of customer support and advertising. But I doubt that AMD and Nvidia can compensate for more and more AIBs dropping out with their Founder's Edition cards, as they may not have the required production infrastructure. Unless they buy up their bankrupt former AIBs and just take over the entire graphics cards production from beginning to end. Maybe that's the plan all along.
cannot w8 to see nvidia releasing 1kw mid/high range gpus cause the only custom cooling system will be liquid cooling anyway... tbh? I'd rly like to see this consumer ai bubble exploding like mining one, just so that they lose heavy money, ngl.
I had a Gigabyte RTX 3080 for two years that I pulled out of a cyberpower prebuilt, it was handled weekly to put in and pull out to test other cards, never had an issue
They cannot make PCBs thicker because the PCB thickness is dictated by the PCIe card edge connector's slot width.
It's because the cooling design has not evolved in 2 decades. For both gpus and gpus.
Because of how much heat components output today, and also the size of the PCBs increasing, PCs need a complete deisgn overhaul.
PC cases use the same design for nearly 3 decades now. The component layout we are familiar with, is no longer efficient.
Its multiple factors making Gigabyte GPU pcb crack.
- thickness of pcb is like 25% less than from other brands.
- bigger cutout behind pcii-e connector increase pcb weakness
- putting thin signal wires on weakest part of pcb instead of solid copper (ground) increase weakness on pcb.
- its also possible that quality of pcb is lower adding again more weaknes to it.
I had had RTX 3080 founders edition and it had terrible coil whine so it stayed in only about 30 minutes.
I am having trouble understanding how a 10 percent margin is enough to stay in business. Something doesn't add up.
Gigabyte. I avoid like the plague. I have listened to the reviews of their GPU's being cheaply made. Smaller than other GPU makers, in terms of cooling or PCB's.
I used to be a fanboi then I had a mobo that was 8 months old from them. It had an issue where their bios was super charged and burning peoples boards, cpu, and ram. Well, mine only burned the motherboard (lucky) and they refused to cross ship. After a lot of fighting with them, showing them this was a problem documented online by a ton of people, and being under warranty they said the best they would do is I pay for shipping to them IN TAIWAN, and they will look at it. They will either repair it or ship it back to me taking 2-3 months. I bought a MSI Pro Carbon AC after watching Buildzoid's vid. Immediately, everything ran 10c cooler and I could actually o/c if I wanted too. I am still rocking that B450 that just had an upgrade from the 1600 16GB to a 5600 48GB. I swore off all things Gigabyte after the way they treated me (on the phone too). Eff 'em.
@@generalawareness101 Yeah my GPU is from MSI, great build quality.
@@Vonklieve The only thing I dislike about my MSI motherboard, or any of theirs, is their audio went to that stupid French compmany and I hate their software. I much prefer the standard Realtek drivers but they refuse to allow that, so I am using the last driver that is 100% Realtek (I actually prefer their simple EQ etc...) and I can't ever upgrade.
@@generalawareness101 I am old fashioned, I stick to a Creative Soundcard. So never have rely on motherboard sound.
I recommend the Creative A5 Plus, RGB and great sound. Not that expensive either.
@@Vonklieve No slots for that now. I grew up with Soundblaster, but when HD audio hit (ALC) you just didn't need it. AC97 was bad but my board uses digital audio so that helps. I saw the creative software, had it too, and it was so much bloat just ugh.
You almost need some kind of brace for your GPU. My RedDevil is nearly 2.25 kilo/5lbs , it sticks out past the slot nearly six or more inches.The entire GPU / case situation needs to be rethought where both ends add the extra support with thicker pc boards or new mounting methods.
I agree, my pc case has provisions for and includes a GPU brace solution which I have incorporated.
TOO many people worried to much about having fairground lighting and what the system looks like inside rather than a build that is best designed for trouble free function.
I am one that wants no RGB lighting and never look at my PC other than the front panel power/usb ports as what I worry about how it looks is on my monitor.
Don't think it is gigabyte fault tbh, if you install the card properly. Their support bracket is actually one of the best and a really solid mount, i have installed a few of them myself. These things must be happening because of user error and systems being dropped in shipping. A lot of prebuild seller use gigabyte cards so it is more likely for it to happen to them.
Yeah, I had my gigabyte 4090 installed with the support bracket from launch because common sense told me to install it due to the size of the card. With that said, I've had no issues with my GPU since owning it...and I even moved my pc to a new apartment fully assembled with the gpu inside.
Well, I bought a Gigabyte gaming oc 4080 2 weeks ago before knowing about this but I found that the card is pretty solid. I think the issue was with 30 series. Anyway I was very careful installing it and no issues so far. The reason I went with Gigabyte was because ita has the best vrms and cooling out of all the other same price aibs 4080s.
Every prebuilt computer should come with an anti-sag bracket for the GPU. End users especially non-builders often do not figure out in time the necessity of this accessory with these massive cards. If you don't have one yet, it's only a few bucks for a lot of piece of mind.
Also, when overclocking, waaaaay better to hit ctrl-F and set a voltage point, my 3080 is running 2050mhz @ 981mV, and it rarely goes above 250W. The adding 260, doesn't translate 1 to 1 like it's not your 1850mhz + 260. GPU boost algorithm comes into play there, usually 3080s with about +110 are already trying to hit 2200mhz which is rarely stable with Ampere outside of good 3080ti/3090/3090tis.
Do most consumers not know PNY actually makes the founder edition cards?
Dont skimp on the pcb. You would not saying that if your $2,000 card just bit the dust because of the manufacturer error and they won't uphold their return
If all you can afford is a 4070 get a 7900xtx instead.
Advice: whenever you use acronyms first use and define the entire word beforehand. It would be good to work in using the full word and definition multiple times in the video for retention purposes.
Found a an extra screw in the box with a brand new asus 4090 tuff that failed last week. Had it for 6 months and the connector melted.
Glad i didnt get a gigabyte card or anything from them. After their psu fiasco and other horror stories of people rma experience i stayed away from them.
I had no idea which graphic card aib to get and in the end i thought getting the founders edition was the safest choice.
The 4070 is the most popular 40 series card, at the moment. I believe. As for AIB's, Gigabyte is to blame!! Gigabyte like Asus and MSi make a ton of money in monitors, power supplies, motherboards etc. I have a gigabyte monitor and love it. Gigabyte is value range company. Gigabyte, MSI, and Asus are massive companies. Billion dollar companies. Sad, really sad that EVGA the enthusiast company left. They were really the ones who pushed overclocking. I agree that overclocking is pretty much done. It's better to undervolt and save on power and heat. That was bad. The worry is AIB's realize that they can and will invest in better monitors, power supplies, motherboards etc. So for Gigabyte not being able to build good products is bullshit. I built my first PC in 2001. I have been around the pc gaming gig for a long time. Asus is probably the new EVGA. There RTX 4080's are the only 4080's better than the founders edition, which is rare. All this said Nvidia is only going to worry about gamers until they don't have to. If A.I. take off as I believe it will. Nvidia will be charging 2k for 90 models and the performance wont increase that much per generation but the efficiency will.
Gigabyte chose their own PCB to put those components on lol. No-one to blame but them directly mate. Gigabyte has a huge history of massive fails and utter garbage customer service and support. It's the company itself that is the problem. Look at their exploding PSUs!!!!!! It's a crap company with crap products. Always has been for over 20+ years. This isn't anything new from their company. Just business as usual!! And look at what Jay said too!
I have the worst case from them. Dangerously sharp with super thin metal. It have a front fan placement that only fit a slim fan and not the standard fan.
With all the exploading PSU, Mobos frying CPUs, melting connectors, and cracking PCBs, this looks like an end game for the DYI PC market, where every company tries to extract as much value as they can, before everything collapses...
But looking from another perspective, in the late 90', there was a graphics chip manufacturer who had a dominant market position, and decided to produce their own graphics cards. A few years later got broke and nVidia bought what remained of them. Let's see for how long they will manage to avoid the same fate. (That manufacturer was 3dfx)
A lot tech companies want to vertically integrate
The terms ngreedia really starts to make sense when you view those percentages
It is best for graphics card manufacturers to do the same as motherboard manufacturers.
Produce a graphics card (without GPU), designed for a group of graphics chips and the graphics chips must then be bought separately by the customer from AMD or NVidia (i.e. a graphics card with a socket in which the chip is then inserted).
Talking about the o/c on many current cards today even stock the upper tier cards are taking an extra 25-30% current draw to gain that last 7-8% of performance and as a result run a lot hotter with little to show for it.
Most people now on those cards are starting to under volt them instead of O/C them and cutting the power draw way down while still retaining very near the stock performance levels at a much cooler operating temp and helping out the light bill as a bonus.
AIB stands for ?
did you mean function over form??? love the channel
I've had two gigabyte cards in my life as a pc enthusiast. Both are still working quite well for their age tbh, BUT, the build quality is absolute crap compared to an Asus card. That alone made me come to the decision that I'll never buy from gigabyte again! Then there where these other problems with gigabyte all-around these past couple of years which some are on another level of scummy!! Pretty much the EXACT oposite of EVGA...
Now no AIB is perfect, except maybe EVGA ;) they only had one bigger issue with their cards but they seemed to have done their best to fix the situation back then.
Now my used strix 3080 didn't last as long as I'd expect it to, fortunately I still had warranty so I got a Palit 4080 in return. I was honestly impressed of the build quality, and well, the card works completely fine. I was a little hesitant at first because I didn't know anything about the brand but they seem fine to me :)
Have a Gigabyte "AORUS" GTX 1080 since new. Zero issues to this day, must be a recent issue with 30/40 series.
I bought a brand new EVGA card and it stopped working after a week, the shop I bought from would not replace it and EVGA would also not replace it under warranty so could do nothing I landed buying MSI at a different shop and MSI has been the best I have ever had. Now you know why EVGA went under!
Gigabyte doesn't seem to care about reputation, if you see the bad trend with it, it is repeating, first the explosive PSUs and now the cracking cards
I have Gigabyte cards because typically compared to others, were cheaper but still had great cooling. My 2080 was always cool, and even my most recent XTX is cool (I'm hitting 65C when OC'ed on 460 watts) so design wise personally, I don't think they're bad (But size wise, they have some of the biggest cards ever) I was considering getting a EVGA for my next upgrade, but they unfortunately went under. Sapphire is also great, my friend has an XTX Nitro (which I wanted to get but was out of stock at the time), and he's the same temp wise. My 2080 Gaming OC is still being used and is doing amazing temp wise with an overclock.
The way I see it, regardless of what brand you go with though, it's a toss up. I'm fortunate enough to live next to a micro center and got their 1 year warranty, but I know others aren't as lucky especially with the RMA if they need to.
My gigabyte 3070 is vertical in my case so im not that worried