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Whenever feefo in the thumbnail, you know it’s gonna be a banger
you right but also quandale dingle?!
The first verse is fine. The second verse would hit harder if it never hit the internet.
Agreed 🤝🏽
Agreed. DEHH said it best: Cole is reacting to everything, Drake is still coping, yet Kendrick is quiet. Smart men learn from their own mistakes; wise men learn from the mistakes of others.
@@cytheolympian2706I don't think he reacts to everything
Y'all need another collab
I disagree. Didn't matter if it hit the internet or not, felt it was closure to his core fanbase who were puzzled on why he opted out. From a few spins it just seemed he gave insight to his thoughts and feelings on the matter. If anything the internet spun they're own interpretations and narratives
"bro you shot tho, and you shot a BB gun" 🤣 Feefo comedy
Bars.... "not even a nine" 🤣🤣
The first verse was classic, his second verse was tragic, his third put them asleep, but they gassed it.
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Yoo 😭😭😭
@@ThePhreakass last time I checked, Port Antonio only had to verses...you gota be a bot
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@@wh0_odat644 he a kbot
J Cole should rename the song - let Drake down
😂😂😂 true
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Niggaaaa!! 😂😂😂 This shit is hilarious
The only thing J. Cole is the goat of is starting shit, going back on it, then somehow playing the victim/gaslighting the public into believing he’s the victim.
second comment i see scrolling down and already i see someone talkin bout "gAsLiGhTiNg"
it's called lying. that's the word you're looking for. lying. gaslighting is not just not telling the truth, that's lying. is it too much to ask that the internet learn what words mean before they use them.
@@thapoint09 gaslighting is twisting the narrative to make someone/a group of people believe that what they saw with their own eyes didn’t happen. Essentially, lying is lying… and gaslighting is lying FOR THE PURPOSE of gaining power. Shut up, thanks.
@@thapoint09 ehhhh not exactly. I think gaslighting works in this case only because Cole is trying to manipulate the public allegedly, so I see what you are saying but nah this is gaslighting at it's core.
@@thapoint09if you're to believe what's being said about Cole. They believe it's more than just lying, acting like certain things didnt happen. And it's not just the beef. It's a history of doing this with him.
The “fans” enable him to calling him a great rapper and lyricist even though his are full of shit.
Shit 40 mins🔥🔥🔥 … classic DEHH Feeling being restored
J Cole said there’s the big 3 and he’s the Muhammad Ali.
It’s annoying that they’re blaming Drake and the Dreamville camp instead of Cole’s own huge ego.
I’m surprised they keep cutting the whole line short and not mentioning the Muhammad Ali line
Agreed. They start off good but don't finish the sentiment lol. I'm like wait...😂😂
So if that's the case that's means he was dissing Drake too right? According to that logic. Damn near Noone felt like Cole was dissing Kendrick until Kendrick said it. Only reason Kendrick felt a way was because of his ego. They asked him to be on the song and he declined. Get this dickriding ass shit outta here.
They're also blaming the media, the internet, and "toxic" rap fans.
Cole and his fans refuse to acknowledge Cole's role in all of this. The so-called peaceful and enlightened crowd has been lighting the gas for over a week straight... LoL
@@dually81 for years & years Cole’s been saying he’s here for the crown and daring rappers to come for him.
J. Cole been talking that GOAT talk for 5 years and the minute he had to back it up he choked. There is no way to excuse that hip hop sin. Kendrick wanted to keep it rap with Drake. This idea Kendrick wouldve gotten personal with Cole is complete revisionist history. Cole choked and he keeps copping pleas to excuse it. Just stop talking about it.
Facts. Cole tryna act like Andre 3K but his ego won’t let him simply walk his own lane without caring
He didnt wanna make disingenuous diss tracks to rappers he considered friends..how do you not understand that?
@@EricM_305 ffs it’s a lyrical battle, that’s all that hip hop has been. You battle on bars and dab it up when done. It’s like a boxer saying he ain’t going into the ring with his “friend”. And Kendrick ain’t even J Cole friend let’s be real. Cole should simply move like Andre 3K and not ask for “smoke”, but his ego is too big to mind his own business
@Bobsam-m1p what part of calling another rapper a pedo and hoping he would die is "lyrical competition"
@@EricM_305 Kendrick in euphoria, ““We ain’t gotta get personal, this a friendly fade, you should keep it that way.” Kendrick in meet the grahams, “This supposed to be a good exhibition within the game, But you f’ed up the moment you called out my family's name”…don’t be slimy as if Cole vs Kendrick would’ve been the same. Besides, between Cole and Kendrick, only one them actually dropped a diss so we don’t know how personal it would’ve been.
Come on Rod! The line was:
We the big three like we started a league, but right now, I feel like Muhammad Ali
Huh, yeah, yeah, huh-huh, yeah, Muhammad Ali
J Cole has BEEN saying he is the greatest!
J Cole does not get to come back talking about “They see this fire in my pen they think I'm dodging smoke”
He dodged smoke, dropped out, apologised and that’s ok.
You just don’t come back to talk like you’re a deadly gun when you shot blanks
Nah he also said Kendrick is a phony and dropped some weak albums and he admitted that was a dumb take but HE wrote it lol
just as i was about to type this out i found your comment lol yeah cause not only did cole place himself in the big three he placed himself above the other two in that one bar i guess Rod forgot 🤷🏽♂️
People don't understand Cole don't want the competition of exchanging violence words but he wants the competition of rapping , rap in your way without involving others names In a violence way that it
@ that’s stupid considering he did exactly that in 7min drill.
If J Cole released 7 minute drill and then Kendrick replied with a Meet the grahams style diss. Then I’d 100% be on Cole’s side because it’s no longer strictly rap but Cole you were claiming you were number 1 and when it came to prove it you took your ball and went home.
There’s nothing wrong with that but don’t then come outside talking “my gun is still deadly” and “y’all wanted to see blood” no we just wanted to see you back the talk you were giving us for 3+ years. No Cole fan expected him to start dissing Kendrick’s family we just wanted a rap battle from the 2 best lyricists.
@@vicstone8817 not true. Go revise your timeline.
Cole released the horrid 7MD.
Kendrick dropped 2 or 3 weeks later "euphoria".
A song that had no mud at all.
Then dropped 6:16 in LA a song that had no mud.
Then dropped Drake released the libelous song "family matters" calling a wife beater and calling his woman an alley cat then fornicating with Dave free and having a child on Kendrick’s back.
It’s a response to that that Kendrick dropped meet the graham.
So stop revising history and gaslighting us like Cole tried to and failed on port Antonio
@@mohamedfahad2364 you clearly misread my comment 😂😂
@@vicstone8817 you know what? You’re right. I did a Jcole. I jumped out the window 😂.
Sorry.
@@Fezaki Cole bit himself outta the big3
@@Fezakiit's not muddy. Kendrick won, Drake lost and is spiraling, Cole somewhere hiding under his covers making up for back together love letters drake. Kendrick has solidified himself as King of his generation.
“Niggas debating my numerals, not the three, not the two I’m the U-N-O” - J Cole started off first person shooter like this. He’s convinced a few people to help him rewrite history
Did a song with Drake just to put Kendrick in 3rd place when he didn’t have to bring up his name
Facts people be forgetting j Cole started it all with the 1st person shooter verse... Called Kendrick out by name then have the nerve to say on 7 minute drill that Kendrick starting with him for no reason
Cole shouted Kendrick out on first person shooter. Kendrick dissed both of them on Like That. Cole didn’t start this shit
@@HiPhOpNsTuFf the shout out was we the top 3 but I'm Numero uno (#1), drake is spiderman meme (#2), calling kdot #3. It was a song about who's the best and he told kdot that he up there but he ain't number 1
@@HiPhOpNsTuFf that's why Kendrick responded to the big 3 by not saying he number 1 but the only 1. J Cole didn't diss like he wanted beef but he definitely sent a shot
@@IspiguiteSuperlativeThought
I disagree that Cole was trying to give a definitive spot in the big 3 to Drake or Kendrick. Cole said “I feel like Mohammed Ali” key words being “I feel”. In no way is that disrespect to Kendrick to say he feels like the best.
Somebody tell Rod the next line from Cole was “but rn I feel like Muhammad Ali” yea he said we all great but he was also saying “but I’m the greatest”
So he did what every MC including Drake and Kendrick do?
@@superdupeninja8149 Rod said he never called himself the best on that song, I’m pointing out how he did. Also Drake and Kendrick got in the ring so they can do that, Cole did not so he can not
exactly!!!!!!
Ans he was all like "numero U-N-O"
Exactly. He was the one going on about how "everybody wants to be 'steppers' 👀...then said everybody was 'breakfast' and he was clearing his plate.. 😅
But suddenly he's this bystander and man of peace (who could STILL take anyone out, mind you) 🙄
Cole has dissed (threw the first punch):
- SoundCloud rappers
- Ye
- NoName
- Kendrick
And did not stand on business. As a Cole fan, everything is starting to make sense
Let’s Review Cole’s History:
Diggy Simmons - apologized
Iggy- apologized
Lil Pump-apologized (plus tour)
Noname-apologized
Kanye- IDK 😅
Kendrick-apologized
Wale-IDK
Lil Yachty-Apologized
Diddy- nah he got that one
@@marleyred301factz bro. Even Cole's disses have moreso been an open conversation. He's even sat down to have an interview with Lil Pump.
He did a song with Yatchy he's clearly evolved his viewpoint
With Wale he didn't apologize but that's because Wale replied to him but then after they went and chilled at a game. Cole and Wale were really friends so Wale didn't let it bother him like that foreal. I think they big issue with this is Cole was aware that there has been some issues between Dot and Drake for years. When Dot was reached out to feature on first person shooter Drake and Dot didn't resolve their issues but the song was still put out. Dot replied and then Cole replied.
What's annoying is we can't keep excusing Cole removing his song. Because he went after Dot's catalogue and his work ethic. Even apologizing only goes so far. We get your heart wasn't in it but you still talked shit about what Dot has contributed. I think what really made Cole want to back out is him seeing just how many people were running with what he said about Kendrick's music and he didn't like how people were starting to pick sides and change the narratives because of Cole saying it.
I think for everyone else Cole was fine leaving things done with his apology at his festival. By making a song and putting it out months after the beef it comes off weird because you already apologized and basically told us what you said in the verse so why double back especially when Dot and Drake are both done with it. @@marleyred301
Diggy and Vanessa Simmons😊. You’re welcome.
@@marleyred301😂😂
J Cole is just Jermaine to me now he really disappointed me
LMAO facts
Cmon modest stop cape’ing for this man “We the Big three like we started a league, but right now I feel like Muhammad Ali” Cole wanted it
Punch said the beef started with “Like That”
@superdupenija8149. That’s because technically a “beef” only starts when the person being referenced responds.
@@superdupeninja8149 I’m more so talking about Cole wanting the top spot, he making it seem like Cole was just sitting in the corner quietly as far as the big 3 convo goes
Kendrick started telling them “ I’m really like that” and now they reflecting. He knew they was conflicted
From misusing their influence?
@arthurfrancis2661 sometimes he misuse his lol
Cole can rap, no doubt. He raps about being number one. However, he doesn't want smoke with anyone.
Cole been dodging smoke since Diggy Simmons barred him up
I respect Cole for being honest and true to himself with this rap. My problem comes in when Cole has been on a feature run and every feature he's saying "Who can rap better me?". Like he deadass said "On God, best rapper alive." on John P's Caddy that kinda made everyone say Cole got a pen and is arguably #1 in the top 3 right now based on what came recent (Pre-Beef). Cole made everyone believe if someone rapper were to talk crazy Cole would get on a song and respond and be willing to go. I think everyone can comfortably say Cole and Dot's beef wouldn't have gone personal like Drake's and Dot's beef did because their beef is rooted in history and Cole and Dot seem to just hold each other to a higher standard (Black Friday Freestyle).
Cole just gave me major bitch energy, saying he would've won if he entered (he did enter but he bitched out) and that he doesn't care about being considered the best when THE ENTIREY OF HIS RECENT FEATURES WAS HIM SAYING HOW HE'S THE BEST. Plus hot take people used to clown that Kendrick was fake deep or fake woke (mfer just cant read books if they believe) should now be said about Cole because his rapping sounds hard as hell but once you look at the lyrics and read them shit reads like a higher end middle school level book.
To finish this off if I was Dot I wouldn't be cool with Cole no more. Im tired of this neutral shit dawg, both parties said wild accusations to the point if you are still cool with the enemy you are an enemy as well. Both tried to character assassinate the other, there is no possibility for neutrality in this scenario. Shit is bogus and fake as fuck. Not once did he mention Kendrick's name in this rap as well to show who's side he's really on. Over here dick sucking for Drake like he's a lackey. Pisses me off.
Note: This came out right after Drake had his little "Woe is me" moment at the club by leaving the club and playing "Me, Myself, and I" like COME ON THIS IS A PUBLIC APOLOGY FOR DRAKE LOL. THIS SONG SHOULD'VE BEEN CALLED "Dear Drake"
J Cole - "Let Drake Down"
Yall be taking this shit too damn serious. Like dead ass. This shit will never be that deep. Bruh said what he said and made a choice. You mfs don't dictate what he can or can't say or claim.
@@djdubc09271 Fr. 😂
@@djdubc09271Ofcourse we can and are, J Cole said so himself. We his fans/friends/media influence his decisions and actions time and time again unless you are saying Cole is a liar, are you?
@@djdubc09271 this is the comment section of a 40 min video. its a pretty important topic to those that care about hip hop.
Are forgetting that in the FPS song Cole said “We the big 3 but right now I FEEL LIKE MUHAMMAD ALI” Meaning we’re big3 but I’m #1. Cole keeps saying that I’m the best and drake was throwing shade at Kendrick the whole song. Not to mention Cole also said in that same verse “Everyone steppers and I’m cleaning my plate. I won’t say for years but it definitely was subs on FPS
Emceeing - the art of being an emcee - is all about the persona. They are selling themselves. They’re wrong to blame the people for expectations J Cole set.
amen
"We the big 3, Right now I feel like I'm Muhammad Ali" is saying you're the best
Been watching you guys since the beginning. Good to see you returning to the older conversational format!
Sunny if you are still reading comments, I highly suggest you guys either purchase some clip on wireless mics e.g. the rode wireless GO or use a shotgun mic on a boom arm and move it from speaker to speaker out of frame like they do on TV.
If you guys don’t have a mic operator go with the wireless mics. Please don’t go back to the sm7b podcast setup in any case. Kills the vibe having everyone blocked by mics and stands.
You guys are really close to a return to form. Add clean audio and you’re there
We’re working on it! This was a setup of the shotgun mic and an added boom off screen to help bring in B and Rod more clearer but the overall quality still needs some work. We’re trying some new set ups next recording🫡
DEHH convos be hittin everytime
Let's put it this way. What number one Basketball team can claim they are number 1 without competing? And A leader that lets his team lead aint no leader. And they have been friends that play each other in sport and still remain friends.
This rap, not basketball.. that shit is not the same … yall niggas bout crazy, just be saying stupid shit
hahaha "yall got those phone calls and switched up" real shit
I believe that 😂
Thank you! They switched real fast! 😂
From who? Top Dawg?! 😂
@@illanoizboy23 those were rods words... gotta ask him lol
“They shooting! They shooting!” And then he ran😂😂
Ngl I get more excited for to these convos instead of the reviews. Y’all have been killing it lately.
That boy feefo said j Cole shot bullet fragments 😂😂😂
Cole ain’t in trouble. Just keep dropping fire ❤
Calling yourself Muhammad Ali is basically saying you’re the best though.
J cole definitely said he was the best in FPS with reference to the other two greats.
Classic Dead end Hip Hop is back!
Crazy how everyone has already forgotten 7 minute drill happened.
I think bot line is definitely directed at kdot. Jcole was online watching the discourse
Cole was not an innocent bystander.
Cole is a treacherous 2faced snake.
When you think about it, he dissed both Drake and Kendrick then apologized to dodge the smoke but somehow want to herald himself as the victorious guy based off his fake morality and grandstanding.
He first dissed Kendrick with his trash 7MD. After a bad reception he quickly pulled it and apologized to duck the incoming smoke from Kdot.
What he does right after that? He cliqued up with Drake opps (Future, Metro, Daylit, ASAP rocky) and dropped songs with them.
Then right when Drake was destroyed by Dot, and Drake realized that Cole betrayed him he set to get his lick back by attacking Cole for his treachery.
He started laying the ground for the attack on Cole with the help of his media glazers (Ak, Mal & Adam22) all while poking Cole on social media and complaining on stage about being stabbed in the back by his friends who left him.
Snake Cole peeped Drakes plan and quickly scrambled to drop that pledge of allegiance/ love letter of a song to beg for Drake merci to not attack him.
People are sharing their thoughts on the final verse, but the lyrics show that he realized the battle cost him more than it was worth. Now that the outcome is clear, it’s obvious that those claiming to understand his intentions never really did. Only the person living that journey knows what they’re truly aiming for. He recognized that engaging in the conflict was a misstep, knowing it put a strain on his friendships. From my perspective, he’s come to see that his value goes beyond chasing the hip-hop crown-his real purpose is to be an advocate and voice for the culture, shaping its future rather than just competing in it.
Yall absolving Cole of any responsibility lol
Bullshit
Who's here after the Ab soul interview making a lot of these takes look silly.
Jermaine great at rapping about rapping BUT what’s you break down what’s he’s saying sometimes … he becomes inconsistent
Facts
Almost all the greats have lost a battle but continued to claim goat status. Once we're out of this very long moment Cole and Drake will be remembered for the totality of what they've done.
Cole will always have an asterisk by his name unfortunately. As great as he is. None of the GOATS dropped a dis then backed out and apologized. You see it through win or lose. This is a first for hip hop.
It's time to discuss EVERYTHING pertaining to Cole outside of his rapping ability. Dude's turning out to be a real wishy washy type snake
Cole is a coward snake. He noticed that Drake & his media glazers (Mal, Ak, Adam22) were laying the ground for Drake to attack Cole and hope for a comeback recovery after the beat down he took from Kendrick. Drake for a while has been poking Cole on social media.
Cole saw the play, got afraid since he doesn’t wanna battle Drake coz he knows he owes too much to Drake and Drake could exploit that to son him.
Cole is a hypocrite and a grandstander.
That whole song was a love letter to calm Drake down and bribe him in not attacking him since Cole left him to dry in the dot beef, then collabed with Metro, Daylyt, Asap, Future.
And to secure that Drake doesn’t aim him he made sure to put some sneak disses at Kendrick so Drake glazers and Drake can latch on to.
Cole is the ultimate poser, hypocrite and coward.
He has no hip hop backbone.
He first dissed Kendrick with that trash 7 minutes drill. Then the track was badly received by the culture.
He then quickly apologized and pulled the song to duck the incoming Dot smoke.
So yeah all in all Cole is a coward who now is trying to rewrite history and gaslight us.
Cole humble and wise persona has always been an act, to me. A whole personal Branding.
I’m glad he put out that trash revisionist "port Antonio" coz he exposed himself to those who couldn’t see how much of a fake he’s always been.
I don’t think he’s a snake, just an emotional guy who doesn’t think too far ahead
@@geronimo1595 Cole is a treacherous 2faced snake.
When you think about it, he dissed both Drake and Kendrick then apologized to dodge the smoke but somehow want to herald himself as the victorious guy based off his fake morality and grandstanding.
He first dissed Kendrick with his trash 7MD. After a bad reception he quickly pulled it and apologized to duck the incoming smoke from Kdot.
What he does right after that? He cliqued up with Drake opps (Future, Metro, Daylit, ASAP rocky) and dropped songs with them.
Then right when Drake was destroyed by Dot, and Drake realized that Cole betrayed him he set to get his lick back by attacking Cole for his treachery.
He started laying the ground for the attack on Cole with the help of his media glazers (Ak, Mal & Adam22) all while poking Cole on social media and complaining on stage about being stabbed in the back by his friends who left him.
Snake Cole peeped Drakes plan and quickly scrambled to drop that pledge of allegiance/ love letter of a song to beg for Drake merci to not attack him.
Great discussion, keep doing what y’all doing
I personally think Cole should’ve just continued on the feature run he had going on, did his rollout for The Fall Off and drop. I like the track, but Idk if saying this after the beef was beneficial to him, really. Drake probably don’t like him anymore, and Kendrick probably was just slightly indifferent since they were friends. But dropping this probably made it worse. They probably both see him as weak and can’t stand him now.
@@NoirNameless his immediate concern was preventing Drake from attacking him.
He saw Drake drawing a plan to come at him. So he was getting ahead of the attack by releasing that pledge of allegiance/ love letter of a song to beg him to not attack him.
@@mohamedfahad2364Yep. And Drake liking the post was like patting his dog on its head 😂
@@Jfoldlmao fact.
@Jfoldlmao yep. Drake sonned him, same with Kendrick. J Cole is a trash friend tbf.
I’ll die on this hill, j cole don’t want the smoke with Noname
She'd drop some sort of socialist rap and out moral him. lololololol I completely agree. Dude is just hot air. He says a lot, but doesn't do much about it.
@shettywap Cole loves to talk all sagely like he got wisdom and character, but it's all a facade. Dude never actually says or stands on real shit.
@@roachdoggjr4648 i think he gives game and is a pretty good storyteller but I wouldn’t put him as “deep” as a lot of people do. Like he’s more than surface level even relatable but that’s where it stops for me
And also, yall keep saying that j cole didnt say he is the best in the context of the big 3😂 he literally said they the big three like they started a league, but j cole feels like he muhammed Ali. Yall didnt catch that? Lol
Don’t say yall!! Mention names cuz I DEFINITELY said he calls himself the best
Then take a look at 35:15
I haven’t watched yall in a while. I’m glad yall went back to the old style tho 🔥🔥
Cole's bike might make you think that he doesnt have an ego and he's bigger than other "petty rappers" issues. He's not.
😅 *This* He's not the humble saint his fans try to portay him to be. He is human and clearly has an ego.
You know it feeds his ego because he raps about this exact stuff on one of his latest feats. I forget the bars but he 100% feeds into this "I'm so humble and down to earth, look I'm wearing sweats and rising a bike" narrative.
“Not the three not the two in the UNO.” “Right now I’m feeling like Muhammad Ali.”
He definitely said he’s the best Rod. He started it.
He said he was the best and name dropped them on Heavens EP too, that didn't get any shots from kendrick?
33:26. Cole said "right now I feel like Muhammed Ali" that ain't exactly kumbaya bro
Lmao Modest needs to re listen to FPS
The internet is a dangerous place,
it just needed one guy to start to question (and clown) Cole for everyone to start to see him in a different light.
Now it's gonna be hard for Cole to come back from that.
Whatever he said, whatever he rap about, will be put under the microscope. He is the last casualty of the Drake vs Kendrick battle...
Depends on how fire the Off Season is…if he delivers no one will care
Jermaine BEEN a cornball 😂
Honestly, these mofos never really liked Cole to begin with. They only had some respect on his name for his feature run. After a while I just have to acknowledge that most of these guys are haters and have a subconscious bias. Nobody came after Wayne like this, to 'prove' himself, etc.
@@AnthonyAllenJr Wayne didnt make a song about competition to then take it back and apologize. Lets keep it real.
@Theconvergermag K.Dots camp called Cole to ask him to exit. People ignore that part. Cole made a response that everyone was with at first too, lol.
For the record I love the mic you use. It feels authentic and is part of your charm imo.
No you’re fine we’re still figuring things out for the space. I’ll make sure to lower the BG music more. I adjusted the vocals more this time around to cut out the humming from the room and A/C so the volume went down a bit too. It’s a little harder to tell if it’s too much though when editing since I know what they’re saying already for the most part so it stands out in my head a little more if that makes sense 😅 - Sunny
I think what has been proven in this moment and throughout time, is Controversy and drama sells especially when it comes to black men tearing each other down sadly. J Cole literally said he didn’t wanna ruin a true friendship over a stupid rap beef that got personal. All of a sudden Cole legacy is hurt because he spoke his mind and said he didn’t wanna give into casual fans BS? Yeah fuck outta here💯
Cole is a clown
@@joeljoseph2028 I highly disagree
We cant even just enjoy music anymore without everything being a debate. Ive accepted Cole for what he is and I get his stance on it. My concern is .....if even 1 of those allegations about Drake is true, especially in light of Diddys allegations, that changes everything, even this topic.
Especially with Cole sticking beside him. You wanna be cool with a man who at the very least is a groomer it’s weird
Drake also accused Kendrick's wife of being unfaithful and having another man's baby. If I'm Kendrick, why the fuck would I stay cool with Cole if Cole just wants to excuse all that to stay friends with Drake.
@@roachdoggjr4648 Kendrick has disproven that though
@@roachdoggjr4648 Drake has Diddy level allegations against him
@@JordanClemons doesn't matter, he tried to slander Kdots wife in the worst way, and Cole is willing to let it slide. Fuck Cole, I'd never talk to that corny dude again if I was Dot. If somebody slandered my wife and my marriage like that, it'd be on sight fr
i love the new background man keep it up!!!
Great discussion fellas
I’m NGL .. I thought they praised the song last time 😂😂 now they changed their mind 🫠
Port Authorities!
I’ve been watching deadend hip hop literally from the start and the fact that fefo said he considers himself old now is crazy 😢 side note only real fans know how fefo use to always clown the rest of the crew for being old especially Ken 😂
Watching y’all trying to explain Cole is painful 🤣🤣🤣
Love ya'll.
I don’t think Cole apologizing has damaged his career at all, it may have changed some people’s perspective of him a little as far as having him part of the big 3 or being quote on quote “the best rapper alive”, but I don’t think his career is all the way done unless he drops “The Fall Off” and it doesn’t live up to the hype then I believe us Cole fans will be in trouble, in which I highly doubt the album will be any less than what it’s hyped up to be and we’ve already gotten co signs from Trae The Truth & Daylyt on how fye the album will be. And I think a lot of this too can be a part of his rollout plan for the album, because if you think about it, the album is called “The Fall Off”, so he could be using all of this as a marketing tool making people think that he’s falling off, but the album will prove otherwise🤷🏾. I ain’t gonna give up on Cole that easy, but I really do believe that his next album could either make or break him, especially if he’s claiming that this album will be his last one and him comparing it to Hov dropping Reasonable Doubt. Those are some pretty big shoes to fill, but I have faith that he will deliver.
The “blood” on Cole’s hands in this battle is that he popped out on Kendrick first with 7 minute drill.
Even if Cole apologized and erased the song. J Cole responded and aimed a whole song to Kendrick. Cole is far from innocent in this.
And to be honest he would be lucky if he doesn’t get a shot from K Dot for this recent song. Cole deserves it- he’s all over the place.
He can be the best and be a best friend to only 1 person though.
Kendrick doesn’t mix friendship with his work & purpose in HIP HOP.
He is only outside for music or when HipHop needs him.
I slightly disagree with Rod's stance that Cole was trying to say "we're all great🥰". I feel like people forget that the full line is " We the big three like we started a league but rn I feel like Muhammad Ali" . Those might not necessarily be fighting words, but it is a statement that he viewed himself as thee best. I think people miss that because, like with this Port Antonio track, Cole is constantly trying to have his cake and eat it too.
I disagree that Cole is trying to have his cake and eat it too. I think that hip-hop fans are pushing this idea that you can’t be the best rapper and have responded to a challenge in the way Cole did, and that’s just false. As much as people may not like what he did because it makes him look soft or whatever, it doesn’t detract from his skill as an artist or emcee.
@@HiPhOpNsTuFf See, I don't even disagree with that premise, and I do think it is worth unpacking and questioning that idea that if you duck a fight in hip hop you can't be considered the best. I think an MC can be considered the best and never even touch any sort of battle type shit in their entire body of work. I think my thing is, and you're welcome to disagree, the way Cole has been defining himself as a top MC, has mostly been by comparing his penmanship to others - at least in the latter part of his career. I'm thinking of his verse on Johnny P's Caddy, or the fact that people talk more about the feature run than albums at this point. Bars on Might Delete Later like "Hall of famer hungrier than all the newcomers/N****s swear they compare but the truth humble" or " There's not a rap n***a breathing that could outlast/ the fall off like Hov dropping Reasonable Doubt Last".
While I think it's totally fair to decide that your heart's not in the battle because those are his friends, I also think its fair for people to side eye him for it, and to side eye him for this track specifically, because the messaging doesn't match, and that's what I mean that Cole likes to have his cake and eat it to.
@@mo_seboI agree that we've seemed to alter the metric of what makes the best rapper. Rap beef has never done that and its not the only way to be competitive. I think hes consistent because hes almost always outlined that hes talking about on features and in skill and not in beet even in some of the songs or projects mentioned. John P's Caddy, the most competitive verse people always mention has the line "I'm probably going to hell if Jesus asks for a feature" and for me that contextualizes the entire rest of the shit talking. He jumped out to battle cuz he was called but even his jump out(7MD) was full of "I love you but" type bars to me thats not a bb gun to the head like theyre trying to say its a regular gun shot in the air as a warning. I think its disingenuous to act like that was Cole's end all be all track and he fumbled
Rod Cole said in "First Person Shooter" that he is numero uno
Some of y’all’s analysis be real loose and off the mark. 1. Cole said “we’re the big 3…..but right now I feel like Muhammad Ali” …..essentially I feel like I’m better than Drake and Kendrick. That’s provocation for Kendrick. 2. Cole did not say Drake did more for him than Kendrick. Calling Drake’s name and not Kendrick’s might make it seem that way, but that could be a poor inference.
Cle just needs to come out and say that he just wants to compete on the same song. his bravado is coming from a "verse vs. verse" place. he's not looking to drag his bros thru the mud but he will spin them on a track. he just needs to come out and say that, or else it seems like mixed messaging.
That bro term is used too loosely nowadays.
He has, ppl just hear what they want and completely misinterpret.
That’s fine but Kendrick would drag his ass through the mud in that category as well let’s be real
@@shaanraval5374he had a chance on Jeezy American dream, but instead did a wack ass bridge.. Kendrick not fucking with cole.. especially in 2024
@@theebonymaw they’re not his bros.
He dissed the two of them during the battle.
First dropped 7MD then pulled it after its bad reception coz he was afraid of what Kendrick would say to him.
Then hopped and cliqued with Drake opps (Future, Metro, Daylit, ASAP Rocky) amidst the beef in their songs.
Only when he treacherous Cole noticed that Drake was laying the ground to aim at him that he came up with that trash revisionist port Antonio literally pledging allegiance and declaring love and loyalty to Drake so Drake doesn’t attack him. He was begging Drake.
Cole has exposed himself as a coward, treacherous and hypocrite.
That whole humble and wise persona is nothing but a branding act.
I’m glad he dropped Port Antonio coz it helped people see the real Cole.
Whoever behind the camera needs to be the one talking on this show.
Cole is going to be fine. All the other verses he put out before this nobody was talking down about Cole.
Yes they were. It’s just now blatantly obvious.
They were though. People been calling him overrated and his fans delusional for years.
@@seanyoung9014We been saying this for a decade especially since Born Sinner
Nah after that [deleted] vid switch my view on cole forever man his next album gotta be a classic or I see alot of people changing up on him
@@nhinged if that's all it took you never fucked with Cole
Question? Is Royce backing out of the “beef” with Lupe seen as the same thing or different because of the dynamics of the Lupe and Royce situation is different. I know Royce didn’t apologize but he still backed out. Would love to hear your guys take on this, I still put Royce as a top tier lyricist so if I’m not doing that with Royce I’m not going to do with Cole but yall let me know if I’m off base
22:00 "A lot more than Kendrick!" Bro Ken is a fool for adding that on the end. 😆😆 It's dope how y'all added the Denzel and Chris Brown clips in too for people that may not know about them...
I haven’t heard anyone else take this approach but…. What if J.Cole backed out because HE has some questionable behavior in his past that KDot or Drake may know about. So to not have his dirty laundry exposed, he bounced!!🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️… at this point EVERYBODY in the industry seems to have something on their jacket somewhere…even Mr. Down to Earth Jermaine possibly 🤔🤔👍🏾
You know that pick a side,and stay there I think hits harder, because it’s basically sayin stand for something, and be willing to fight for what you stand for and “die on the hill for it”, versus just acting like you standing until it doesn’t produce the reception you wanted and you “fall off”.
Port Authority had Ken in a chokehold 😅
And I’m ngl the basketball and hip hop analogy is tiring because we know that IT IS A GAME we expect this. Hip Hop is not a GAME… playing in a literal basketball game has so much nuisance especially in the heat of the game…
J. Cole is the greatest shadowboxer in the history of hip-hop.
J. Cole accidentally played himself he shouldn't have said anything from the beginning. Things were going so good for him.
Who has more fire verses than Cole this year? This is about who raps the best right?
Unfortunately, not at all
Why do we only look at the peaks. He also dropped grippy. Let’s look at the averages. And I love Cole.
Great conversation!
Let's not forget J Cole on First Person Shooter...
he called himself Muhammad Ali.
Therefore, he called himself The Greatest.
Hell yeah to Feefo with the Alfredo jacket. I got the same one and I get compliments on it all the time, he knows wassup lol
Why is Drake being blamed for the actions of a 39 year old Jermaine Cole?
That’s what I’ve been saying. Bro is a father, a label owner, and has been rapping for over a decade. He is a grown man he didn’t get talked into nothin. 😂💯
ALL ELITE RAPPERS THINK AND SAY THEY THE BEST
I know they didn’t just get on this internet talking about they loved the sound of the song, the sample, how Cole flowed & his technique but the actual lyrical content didn’t matter or factor in at first listen. SMH. It’s the audacity for me.
Rod is particularly annoying with that. Sometimes Ken does it too. But it's probably (I hope) to keep the convo going and appear neutral for the casual viewer.
@@menelikjegna I thought these were the “people should care about lyrics” guys. How do you care about lyrics but don’t listen for meaning & intent in the words?
They’re not a breakdown channel and they react to everything and that’s fine
Boohoo you thought you had an ally, Cole miner
@@Jfoldlmao I never said they breakdown lyrics. However they support lyricism. Their first reaction didn’t focus on the message & meaning behind the bars, moreso how they sounded & the cleverness of the metaphors. It’s reveals that sometimes lyrical miracle lovers are no different than mumble rap fans. There is no point to elite lyricism if not to gleen a deeper meaning or make the point better. Otherwise it’s just sounds.
All I’m saying is that”The Fall Off” is the most appropriate title for J. Cole’s final album. It’s like he predicted his own downfall
Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Bronze medal activities
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This is objectively wrong, J Cole said "We started a league, but right now, I feel like Muhammad Ali" hows that different from saying "its just big me"?
I just said the same thing in my head. 💯
@@xrayeblaquediamonds4440 not only that but J Cole trashed Kendrick whole discography in response, for essentially saying the same he did, Cole throwing stones and hiding his hands
cause cole acknowledged the greatness of the other two while bigging himself up. kendrick said its not even a competition im the best by a longshot.
@@MMCLLC7 Kendrick didn't even say that. He straight up said fuck the other two.
@@MMCLLC7 yes because if you gonna say “us 3 are at the top but I’m the greatest “ then no FXCK YOU it’s just ME.
We can discuss this for decades and I will never understand one thing. How did he not understand how much Dot and Drake hate each other? Cole's only real crime was being tone def. How does a whole decade of subliminal shots and lack of contact not translate to a non existing relationship? WE all knew this off rip, shit Kendrick has a whole entire album worth of subs aimed at Drake. Why did it take Q to call him up and let him know this was not a friendly? I think this conversation would have been much different if he would have just said he misread the situation and it was none of his business. It would have been true and understandable. He chose the wrong way to bow out and trying to place an astrix on the history he personally wrote is not the move. You don't get to rewrite and redact shit. Just make the Fall Off as dope as you can and leave on an exclamation.
ALONG FOR THE RIDE!!!!!! Them dudes walked away with an extra ring because Bosh went clutch and kept the dream alive.
Because he did know. He saw this as an opportunity to take out Kendrick with Drake as his back up
The Chris brown video analogy 😅😅😅😅 hilarious
Man I wish I was in that room cause I woulda had a LOT to say 😭 especially being on Twitter and peeping the revisionist history goin on but man this is classic DEHH
J Cole the goat of gaslighting, ... about it
How many times do you get to do something you know you’d regret or you claim isn’t your character and get credit for apologizing. At a certain point, we may come to believe that might really be who you are and the apologizing is empty. Fool me once….
Exactly. It's wild how he gets accolades just because he didn't double down on stupid shit when he realized he was wrong.
I truly think he knew how this battle would go and that’s why he did what he did after 7 minute drill. If we’re being honest this was way more personal with 2 guys who hate each other but he’s friends with both guys. He doesn’t fit in this and that why he bowed out. I think if it was 1 on 1 with Kendrick he wouldn’t have bowed out because it would be strictly competitive not on pedophile and wife beater stuff.
In the same First Person Shooter song Cole said;
"Lot of niggas debatin' my numeral
Not the three, not the two, I'm the U-N-O
Yeah
Numero U-N-O"
And
"I feel like Muhammad Ali
Huh, yeah, yeah, huh-huh, yeah, Muhammad Ali"
Rod needs to watch Curtis King's breakdown of the Port Antonio media responses. I think it would be put in plain view what the guys are trynna say about how Cole is not just some innocent bystander here that "just wanted to be part of the big 3".
And even if that is true that he was just happy to be here, he hasn't presented himself in that way through lyrics and behavior, so at that point we just ignoring history. J Cole repeatedly swings on people then apologizes when they swing back and rewrites the narratives as well. Maybe he needs to fortify that peace some more so he stops swinging in the first place.
Cole throws rocks then proceeds to hide his hands, over and over again....
Ayy, 2015-2016 intro music.
He didnt apologize are made up with lil pump..he just lil bro him n predicted how he is gonna end of being
That Part.
@@wh0_odat644it feels like this hip hop media review/journalist bubble is coming together to affirm the same narrative when just a 2nd or 3rd look at his lyrics would clear most of this shit up, i forgive ken cuz i think hes halfway senile at this point the way he was cognitive jumping but everybody else its sad to me
Ken said "Port Authority". Ken so old bro 😂
Cole is fine and still one of the greatest
He has no classics.
@@derekaddison4835 2014 classic
@@derekaddison48350 classics.
@@derekaddison4835Born Sinner a classic
No masterpiece albums lowkey
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Yall need to do research of what Kendrick actually did for Cole because that list aint nothing in comparison to what Cole did for Kendrick.
Cole can actually talk way more ish than he did on that 7 minute drill especially with the defending him against Diddy allegations.
I really feel like we need to revisit the Royce/Mickey Factz/ Lupe situation