@@PungiFungi No one is saying white people don't exist in Latin America we're very clearly complaining about a white Latin American being cast for the role, we can tell they exist. Black Americans exist too and are way less likely to be represented on screen, and this character in particular has his origin story embedded in his Blackness.
@@PungiFungi are you serious? They’re literally represented EVERYWHERE in South America 🤦🏾♀️ How many novelas or news presenters have you seen that included people who happened to be either of African or Native descent?! Stop fronting by using words you don’t know the meaning of 🙄
@@Tareltonlives the white people representation of egypt is another issue that's treated poorly. Like "can you guys please wake up and realize that EGYPT IS IN FRIGGIN AFRICA?!".
@@hondyno3869 They aren't. But that's not what's being said here. They didn't say he's partially this or that. They said he was nothing. Mixed race light people aren't nothing.
If he's "nothing" then he should be invisible- skin, organs, bones- everything and born from a super nova. (maybe also change his name to some anagram rather than a name that means "head of the demon" in arabic) That way he doesn't even remotely resemble a real world race. That writer who spoke about Raaz Al Ghul is an idiot.
I think Marvel and DC really need to bring back some form of "house style" for their art. Like have resources that say, "this is the hex code for Storm's complexion", "Ra's al-Ghul is Arabic, here is a photo gallery of middle-aged Arabic men so you can draw him accurately", "Here is a photo gallery of mixed-race Brazillians so you can depict Bobby da Costa accurately" Because it seems like a lot of the time the colourists and line artists aren't even AWARE of the character's background.
As a Filipino-American, one of the things that shocked me when I first visited the motherland was how dark-skinned the general population was. My family is mixed-Chinese and majority light skin and the only people I saw on Filipino TV were other light skins, so as a child I really didn’t expect the average person to look so different. Representation matters.
Well, that's not too surprising when you consider the Philippines as a whole is a mixed-race and mixed-ethnicity culture. The original inhabitants of those islands were called "Negrito" by the Spaniards who invaded the island chain. They mostly live in the mountainous regions and racially and phenotypically are Afro/Austro islanders like those in Fuji, the Samoas, and Bali. That's a fancy way of saying they're *Black. The "Asian" look in the Philippines is a by-product of both Japanese and Chinese migrations to the islands.
Why, why does it matter. Full blooded Pinoy talking, I couldn’t care less if I saw brown people on TV. If TV is where you get your motivation for life, it’s you whose the problem.
Lol this exactly what i was about to mention, early on evem before, filipino here and yea the filipino celebs you see in filipino tv , is warned nothing like the actual place going to local cities it's difer nothing like that, i said this best somewheren
The skin whitening products in here, it's all the rage. The lighter you are, the more attractive you are. It's the standard. It's something that won't change in the near future, i don't really see it happening. It's sad because I've seen some young people get bullied for it.
tie gideon sad to say but other parts of his statement is worrisome. If it was only that sentence maybe he misspoke. For example, “I wanted to find somebody who seems like he could look like a guy who’s had a silver spoon in his mouth, who has like a really rich dad...” So black men can’t have a wealthy father? A black man can’t act snobby? Boseman already showed us that a black man can carry himself with dignity and a sense of nobility. With the whole statement in mind, one asks “did what you mean not come outright or what came out was what you meant?”
Your eulogy for Chadwick Boseman was touching. I've seen a lot of people online mourning like he was some kind of toy in their comic book movies rather than a human being. Your acknowledgement of Black Panther not just as a cool movie but as a cultural touchstone and part of a real movement was powerful.
@@PungiFungi Sort of. In Africa almost every phenotype is represented on the continent, but most people of African descent in America are from sub-Saharan west Africa and have larger wider noses, unless mixed with other races. Narrow noses with a high nose bridge in Kenya isn't common either. So again, when you talk about specific origin, it makes no sense for Storm to have barbie features. Had she been an Ethiopian woman, that would be completely different. Africa is not a monolith. It's the second largest continent.
As a mexican guy living in Mexico, I'm pretty tired of seeing "latinx" representation and that representation being a white, green eyed, rare last name person. We need more Yalitzas.
I feel you, how can there be such a disparity. Take the show 'la Rosa de la Guadalupe' had more variety in skin tones and class representation in the opening theme song then in the actual show. With heavy themes set on morality. The whole thing screamed progressive respectability training. Which we see in it's successor 'Como Dice El Dicho' blown up to eleven. Where are the swap meet style venders/market places of the working class.
@@Princess_Weekes It was a really well done approach to the subject! I currently do research on race issues and whiteness in Brazil and you managed to summarize the deep complicated racial relations in Brazil like a pro! Also love your channel!!
Sorry to this man but "I wanted to represent Brazil in positive way" isn't compatible with "I didn't care so much about the racist I've heard about in Brazil". Big yikes Loved the video!!
Right??? How are gonna properly represented a country in ANY capacity but not care at all about the sociopolitical situation of said country. Absolutely wild in the worst way
Depressing that when we do finally get a dark skinned character we gotta play guess what shade they'll be in a year. Why is it so hard to use the eyedropper tool? Girl even Microsoft Paint has it
either it's the artistic hubris of "i don't wanna use the eyedropper tool it's cheating!!! i will figure it out by myself!!!" or the bad habit of coloring lighter skin because ~aesthetic purposes™~
I'm a graphic designer so if I just started eyeballing color or making things lighter I'd be out of a job so I highly doubt allllllll these artists, designers, etc suddenly forgot the most basic rule of their job. Try that shit with anything else like logos, adverts, business cards, etc and watch a client drop you real quick.
Yo, kamit people (meaning african, born on the continent or not) No need to fight so much to exist in a world that doesn't want you. They. do. not. WANT. us! Instead of staying victims, let's be actors and build movie production studios Get to know the History of our people And then make dope as f kamit approved movies plus make a lot of money on it! It's already being done!
Another thing about Talia in the comics is that the way she is drawn and coloured tends to change based on her current status in Bruce's life. During arcs where she is acting more as an ally/love interest, she tends to be drawn with lighter skin and more eurocentric features, whereas in arcs where she is playing the role of an enemy (or the role of Damian's "crazy" mom - yeah, that was a whole thing, particularly in the New 52 and even persisting into Rebirth Batman comics) she tends to be drawn with darker skin. Which is...messed up on so many levels. Also, Rose Wilson/Ravager (Deathstroke's daughter) is another example of a mixed race comic book character who is usually drawn to take after her white father, to the point that I didn't even know she was supposed to be mixed race until some more recent stories that delved into Rose's backstory and ethnicity.
Wait- Rose Wilson/Ravager is mixed race??! I literally didn't have the slightest inkling this was a fact 😳 Her parallel Earth counterpart (the president's daughter) in _Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths_ just looks like a tanned, caucasian, redhead 😕 You even see a brief flash of her mother (who is deceased by the time of the movie) when Martian Manhunter sifts through her memories, and she certainly didn't look like a POC to me 🤔 Wow. These peeps do be whitewashing...
Boone's defense for casting Braga instead of a darker skinned actor because he wanted specifically to represent Brazil in a positive way and a wealthy person is such an unbelievably racist comment.
One of the Black woman characters that originated in comics that has remained dark skinned in all incarnations is Michonne from The Walking Dead, in the comics she dark skinned, on the show dark skinned, the video games still dark skinned, all types of merchandise still dark skinned. There hasn't been a point where suddenly she looks like Vanessa L Williams.
keep in mind, she's only been drawn by one artist, as a result, the character is more consistent. Also, the character is kinda...butch? Nothing wrong with that but she kinda fits in this archetype of black woman who isn't traditionally feminine, and one could question if, were the character "softer", what are the odds that she'd have been cast as more light skinned...
@@maximeteppe7627 I know, but you also have characters like Amanda Waller dark skinned fat Black woman who also got lighter skinned and thinner in one of the live action shows
@@maximeteppe7627 youre lowkey right. i have a feeling if she was less butch she would have fairer skin :( but i love that shes butch like me and i dont get to see it too often so i dont really mind the portrayal
Im a mixed brazilian guy(really white passing tho) and i gotta say for a majority black and mixed country there is so much racism here and a lot of it is based on colorism so the fact that they took a brazilian character that deals with that and white wash him is insane, personally to me cause new mutants is my shit, in the comics anyways. But its really frustrating cause most brazilian characters we see in media are lightskinned sexy women and we had a diferent character in sunspot and they fuck him over, btw i hate that he is a ceo billionere now. Ps: sorry 4 bad english
Entrar em qqr canal do RUclips é tipo chegar numa festa q tu não conhece ninguém. É só esperar eles falar do Brasil q logo vc acha os brasileiros todos.
Personally, I think the comics steadily lightening Roberto is worse than the casting. Not because one is more important than the other, but because of what this slow and steady retcon says about the MULTITUDE of creators that have worked on him.
I grew up with New Mutants as my comic book team. As a black boy at the time, I hitched my self to Sunspot because I thought he was black. Seeing a black hero made me think I could be one. I literally saw none so I didn't think it was possible. I had a huge push back finding out he was Brazilian. I felt my importance wane. I didn't have an anchor. I couldn't save anyone. And that's the essence of representation. We make heroes to inform that we can do it as well. And if we do everything possible to tell a group of people that they don't fit that, we're telling their potential best and brightest that they don't matter. We do matter. And we're done being unseen.
“I didn’t care so much about the racism I’ve heard about in Brazil, about light-skinned versus dark-skinned.” Sunspot’s very first appearance had him suffering racial abuse. You kind of have to care about the racism if you’re going to adapt that character.
the X-Men erasing the ethnicities of the characters is inexcusable. the whole franchise is meant to be a civil rights metaphor, not a white power fantasy!!
It’s a major pet peeve of mine when people (especially people who should know better like Alan Moore or Garth Ennis) say that super heroes are inherently fascist or white supremacist. A) 95% of super heroes were created by Jewish writers and artists and B) for, like, a solid 20 year span, the biggest super hero comic in the world was the least subtle civil rights allegory this side of Star Trek TOS.
@@WhatDoesEvilMean yeah stan lee made them for the general oppresed, not any single group. it can be used for any fomr of oppresion depending on the story
On Talia and Damien, there is actually one semi-explicitly stated bit of their ethnic background. The Sensei is explicitly Asian - presumably Japanese since he's called "The Sensei" - and is Ra's' father. Aaaaand... He got rebranded as "The Shaman" and played by Raymond J. Barry. I hate to admit it because I do love them, but the extended Bat Family are chock full of racial and ethnic erasure on all platforms. I mean, two white boys, a Romani, and a Eurasian kid are all drawn pretty much the same as Robin.
As a afro-brasilian I got really upset with the casting of New Mutants, but i didn't knew about those comments from the director. I though it was just a thing like "lets cast latinos, they already a minority we don't need to cast them black or whatever". It makes me think, that white directors/writers don't usually cast POC not just because they are racist but also they don't want the job to do a basic research on ethnicity or even nationality. They just don't care to avert any tipe of preconception or bias.
Marvel/Disney is well known for its Nazism especially when they destroyed the black comic book industry. Never put it past a company that mocks black oppression.
That Ra's al Ghul quote, though. It's sounds kind of like when a TV-show has a gay or a bisexual character, but the creators refuse to refer to them as such: "We don't want to label him! It's not the focus of his character! We just want him to be him!" Vague, exotic flavor over actual, concrete representation.
@@captaincomic8678 we can make interesting 3 dimensional characters and also just call them gay when they are obviously written as such lmao. It’s not mutually exclusive, and it’s quite weird not to do so.
I wonder how much of this can be attributed to laziness and carelessness on the part of artists. Like, they don't care about learning how to draw non-European features, they don't think it's important. And particularly when it comes to female characters, a lot of artists have this mentality that they (at least the heroic ones) should always be attractive, and they have an extremely limited idea of what an attractive woman looks like so they all have the same faces and hair. It's so insane that Storm, of all characters, gets whitewashed so much considering that she's explicitly African and it's a major part of her backstory. While we're at it, can I also bitch about how the movies just had her on the side doing nothing of importance or anything cool even though she's arguably Marvel's most famous and popular female character? Considering what First Class did to Darwin I'm just convinced that the FOX X-Men film series just hates black people. Given MCU trying to incorporate more diversity, I've got my fingers crossed that Storm will get better treatment there.
@@jasenjacobs1365 I have to admit if I was a bad guy in a comic and someone would tell me that his power is not dying I would also be very eager to test his theory.
As someone who has seen some shit in art school, I can say you're right on the money. They STILL have character design classes where certain features are taught as shorthand for "evil-looking" characters, with absolutely zero examination of why that is, and why it's maybe not so great. Folks will argue that it's "just shape/color theory," as though all media exists in an apolitical void. Also I will never, never forgive anyone/everyone responsible for killing Darwin in First Class. (If they didn't know how to write such a high-powered character, they 1) shouldn't have put him in at all, and 2) should give up on superhero media forever.)
Russell Dauterman is really one of the only people I’ve seen giving her correct features - check the covers to Marauders as well as Giant Sized X-Men Jean Grey/Emma Frost, and Giant Sized Storm
She is supposed to have straight hair. Part of her mutation. What bothers me is that is part of her mutation along with her blues eyes. Yes, her eyes are blue until they turn white upon using her powers.
Speaking of DC, I wish they’d actually have Dick Grayson talk about his Romani heritage more. Or have him use his privilege as a white passing rich boy to help the Romani diaspora and call attention to the issues they face.
Same. And he could talk about why his parents used non-Roma names to avoid racism... This is why I really appreciate ArchiveForOurOwn. Fanfic writers have handled his heritage much more respectfully and deeper than comics/tv have. www.themarysue.com/the-flash-gypsy-due-for-a-name-change/ = Just found this article and it really delves into the Roma portrayal of the DC character literally called "Gyp*y" who was on the CW Flash show.
I agree. I always loved him and I love him more due to my heritage. My grandmother was Romani. My great-grandparents were forced into having their names changed. My grandmother would lighten her skin and so her children would not be mistreated did not tell her children about their heritage for years. I found out after she died. My family knew trying to blend in was a better option. The one thing I remember most about her was how she taught me how to take care of my hair. She always told me to honor and respect my hair because it was a piece of her. I use to hate my hair due to other white girls making fun of me for having this texture that was different. I never knew why she always told me this until later. I wish they would talk about how this group of people are forced into things and looked down upon. My great-grandparents lived off the land and carved beautiful things. My grandmother made homemade foods and sold it. I loved learning from them but people look down on their culture.
@@meandkitty8387 On the site, Archive Of Our Own, there's "What’s Waited Till Tomorrow Starts Tonight" by theragingstorm is so amazing! Damian goes back in time and lives with Dick's fam for a bit. Got good Roma rep, lgbtq rep, Muslim rep, etc.... not to mention great character development for Dami and insight into Dick's psyche. (also if ya like the character, I suggest looking up Latino Jason Todd as it's amaz)
"If you want representation, just make original characters!" "We did." "Hahaha, yeah we're gonna make them all white. But we can't do it the other way around, that'd be too political."
Quite a few characters have been blackwashed tho. Like Wally West, Nick Fury, Starfire, Deathshot, Heimdall, Jimmy Olsen, Martian Manhunter, Johnny Storm, Electro, Kingpin and Cat Woman among others. So, race swapping does go both ways unlike what many may think.
Zetto Vii Nicki Fury wasn’t black washed. The black nick is canonically the son of white Nick Fury. They just decided to use the black one in the mcu instead of the white one. Starfire is an alien. Horrible example Man hunter is also an alien. Lol smh nobody cares about who plays an alien as long as they kill it. Zoe Saldana played 2 aliens in Avatar and GOTG. You can’t complain about that unless we get actual aliens to play aliens There are different cat women. Eartha Kitt played catwoman in the 3rd season of The Batman series in the 60s. Nobody cared back then nor did anyone care when Halle played catwoman in the 00s. Not saying it’s completely fine to “blackwash” a character but there are like 100 white superheroes for ever black one. And catwoman in general is a very “fluid” character in general she’s one of these characters who can be played by anyone and it wouldn’t affect or change her origin story in any way.
@@jaylindr3723 Nick Fury was indeed black washed, the black one being the son of the white one is just a retcon they did later in the years. Kinda the same how black Wally was supposed to replace white West, but was eventually retconned to be his cousin, even though as far as either of those live action counterparts are concerned, only their dark skinned variants exists. Martian Manhunter and Starfire may be aliens, but thing is they werent black in any way until fairly recent history. While if you look down in the comments, quite a few people seem to want Superman to become black despite being an alien.... So them being aliens really doesnt matter as far as their ethnical appearance is concerned. Now in the case of Catwoman, I will admit that it is not a good example, since she is supposed to be a different character (she is supposed to be a successor named Patience Phillips as opposed to being the classic Selina Kyle). With that said, the general idea that they take a consistently white character only to then change their ethnicity/race in mainstream media, is still there. Catwoman might not have any traits that are exclusively white, but she has generally been a white character, raised in a predominantly white city in a mostly white country, why change it up? If you are so fine with "race fluid" characters getting race swapped, what would you think if we turned Warmachine into a white guy? What whould you think if we made Cyborg who came from a rich scientist family, into some white jew? Or if we grabbed Jubilee from Xmen and made her lighter skinned? Their race has not much importance in what defines their character other than their appearance... But isnt that an important factor in of itself? If you are gonna make an issue about race swaps, you should be consistent about it and make an issue about it in any case regadless of the original race, not apply this double standard of making a deal of it when it's done to dark colored characters while dismissing or justifying when it's done to light colored characters. It really doesn't matter if the total amount of whitewashed characters are higher than blackwashed ones, it's not a competition. A race swap is still a race swap, while if you check in recent times, it's not as popular to whiten dark skinned characters anymore, while blackening light ones is becoming a fairly common practice in mainstream media. If this issue of racial swapping is going to be given any attention at all, then that's a detail that shouldnt be ignored.
@@nitehunter91 But here is the thing, the majority will always have more representation than the minority...Because they are *the majority.* It does not make any sense whatsoever to compare them in terms of quantity, because minorities are considered as such precisely because there are less of them than the majority. If you wanna speak of American and European countries, thatd mean that white people gets the most representation... But that's because you are in mostly white lands. If you instead checked African countries, youd see more representation of black people, while East Asia has more yellow people. So the amount of representation certain ethnicities gets, shouldnt be made an issue, because it's always a subjective thing that varies depending on where you are. What should be important, is that they get representation at all, and that the representation they get are handled with respect. Now with that said and done, I want to ask is racial/ethnic replacement of popular characters of one ethnicity into another one, a respectful thing to do when it's treated as the main way to give minorities representation? Like, what would you feel if most famous characters representing your race, were literally just recolored versions of characters who previously were of another?
Omg I literally didn’t even know Damien Wayne was mixed race because I’ve never seen him drawn as anything other than mayonnaise white aaaaaaaaaaa comic artists why are you like this
@@DCMarvelMultiverse Talia`s mother was a Slavic hippie named Sora,like Ra`s,myself and most Slavs she was mixed between European and Asian. Her murder was one of the last straws in solidifying his hatred of the human race.
this is something i think about a lot (and not just with dark skinned characters since i got i to arguments with people back when age of ultron about wanda and pietro) there are so many weird arguments about why these things happen (not comics but i also remember a whole mess in the winx club fandom as well) when i do think its carelessness. just care more, think about your choices.
That's a good way to put it, "just care more"! As a writer, I wasn't aware of this issue for a long time. I contributed to it unthinkingly. Now I know about it, care to avoid contributing to it, and care to make sure that my characters accurately represent the ethnic group they hail from. Avoiding that "eurocentric drift" can be as easy as noticing it and paddling the other direction.
Pietro and Wanda have honestly been done so dirty lately. Not Romani in the movies, not ethnically Jewish in the comics -or- movies, and not even mutants anymore! They even erased their *fictional* minority identities! Like come on!
Loved this! I think it's also telling that when talking about roberto they associated a "positive representation" of a country with a lighter skinned person. too often that bias is ingrained in the way people think Also, from personal experience, i think it fucks with little kids, seeing "non-white" characters with essentially white features.... just another standard we can can never meet but are too young to understand why. lastly this is very nitpicky point but i thought i'd let you know - we use "arabic" as an adjective for objects/language and "arab" when we refer to people :P but i appreciate all the points u made in ur video and subscribed!
there are so many black or dark-skinned girl characters who have white hair and blue eyes. on one hand i think it's good for everyone to be depicted as equally fantastical (for instance if every character has an unrealistic hair color, though this is still definitely a trend) but even in media with otherwise realistic designs this happens
@@luiysia Absolutely. My alarm bell always goes off if there is an inability to just allow darker skinned characters to have dark eyes and hair too. Nothing is done without a reason.
I feel like what’s particularly gross about this, is there are in-universe discussions about how mutants are “the next evolution of humanity”. As if they are the result of humanity coming one step closer to, “perfection”. But of course, the characters get lighter and lighter, and lose more and more of any ethnically defining features. Like, y’all really aren’t being that subtle are you? I guess the best humans can’t be any variation of ethnic. -_- Gross.
Nico Velardita The intended message is the one the writter of the comic delivers through ANY of his characters , good or bad . Don’t be a fool Just because I have Magneto say « fuck asian people » in my comic instead of having Charles saying it doesn’t absolve me from being offensive and racist towards asian people
@@nicovelardita8619 I was thinking about this. BUT. There is a lot of narrative work making us relate to the struggles of the "villains"(more like anti-heroes I suppose) and sympathizing with them. It's hard not to, with how wronged some of them have been, they're great characters. You're absolutely right that it's obviously not the intended message, I don't think imjustabrian was implying that either, just that when they start whitewashing some of the characters the optics aren't going to be great when a supremacy narrative is a big part of the motivation for some of them.
I don't know if this was a deliberate decision about Sunspot, but his powers appear to have deeper meaning than meets the eye. Originally, his power was absorb solar energy and reuse it in some interesting ways. The important fact is Sunspot transformation into a deep black figure has roots in the fact that black absorbs most all wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation. In the context of his debut, this clearly can be linked to melanin and blackness. A power derived from blackness in its essence - biological and metaphorical. Clearly we need to cast a white guy.
Well, it'd be interesting to see a white dude get progressively black as a side effect of his powers... But yeah, no need to race swap at all really. They did the same with Heimdall, who is a norse god originally described as the whitest and brightest of them all, yet they turned him into a black guy. Like seriously, why.
@@jaylindr3723 I'm going to disagree on this one. He becomes black to emulate an actual spot, for optimal absorption. It's totally fine to theorize, but I think you're thinking about it too deep.
aquatictwist I think we’re both right. Yes, his power is solar absorption but everyone knows black people and darkskinned people get their melanin from the sun to adopt to harsher weather. I don’t think it’s far fetched to assume that the absorption of solar energy which makes him darker wouldn’t be a homage to his roots.
This reminds me of how Hollywood tends to use Chinese actors to represent all Asians. Asian on Asian racism is a BIG problem especially in the East! Disney likes to go on & on about how Mulan & Shang Chi are "huge wins for Asian audiences" when they are only wins for Chinese & Chinese/American audiences.
Thats just because Chinese is the most casually understood Asian culture. Most people default all Asian culture to just be Chinese due to ignorance. Just like how Hollywood makes all Black people African American, even if the actors are from the UK.
I absolutely adore that you touched up on Black Latinx identity. I'm not a Black latino myself but my mother and roommate are and I see how racism in our country has shaped their life and it's racism specific to the country I'm from (where racism is seen as.... A joke basically). When my roommate and I watched Spiderverse the first thing we said was "hey that's our son!" Black Latinx representation matters and being specific about their ethnicity is very important
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ Venezuela. Racism in Venezuela is seen as casual and falls into what some call "cultura de chalequeo" which places blame on the victim for daring to be offended and not being strong enough to "take it". It's like we're a country full of male comedians that make Netflix specials about PC culture lmao. Our comedians are probably the most unbearable brand of that in the entire world
@@Hipoptrofobia Oh, por Dios. Yo también, chamo. ¿De qué parte eres? ¿Hablas de Led Varela? No lo he visto. Me agradan son George Harris y en especial Joanna Hausmann.
going into the being beautiful thing, look at Danai Gurira, fandom treated her like shit in the Walking Death claiming she looked awful but then in Black Panther and literally _anything_ else I have seen her she is always breath takingly beautiful. Same thing with actresses like Viola Davis. The fact so many of the productions they work on have no idea how to style dark skinned people really shows and how often dark skinned actresses don't get to be the glamorous ones in shows and movies is geting ridiculous.
I don't watch the Walking Dead, but I do know that it takes place in an apocalyptic zombie wasteland... so complaining that *any* character doesn't look "good" is already kinda messed up
@@Frimzeey Of course that is a possibility however I believe no one (outside of maybe neo nazi's or white supremacist) has ever argued that perhaps one group has more visually appealing features than another. I can understand how features like lighter coloured hair and eyes can easily be seen as more visually appealing, so this along with softer skin and silky hair may very well allow eurocentric people to at least on average be deemed more attractive than contemporaries. And since human beings are obsessed with beauty a large portion of the world is obsessed with eurocentric features.
I really hope they give storm the black panther treatment in the mcu. Give her a fro, or some braids even some Bantu knots, just anything other then straight pls. Storm is an African QUEEN let her look like one
She has radiation damage, that happened to make her blue eyes and the white hair, might have bleached her skin pigmentation too? And straightened her hair .... I just think her coloring was fun to draw and spectacular.
Dirgni Flesuoh her hair is actually inherited on her mother’s side. It’s a family trait. As well as her eyes. Nothing to do with her mutation at all. I think she just needs long 4 type hair worn in various styles. It’s an adaptation. Give the same silhouette with more textured hair. Not that difficult.
Bond James Ok, I have not read that version. Anyway, "African" can be almost any genetics, the greatest genetic diversity is found in Africa. (I am reading "Children of Virtue and Vengeance" and I wonder if Ororo inspired the look of the Maji?) Anyway, turning her into a platinum blond pinkwhitebeige is to make her bland.
About Afro-Latin@s: It is such a huge thing that gets overlooked even in Latin America itself. Its a big deal which country an Afro-Latino is from. Afro-Brazilian culture (mayoralty black country, white minority in power) differs from something like Afro-Peruvian (minority black, minority white, majority brown, lots of mixed race) or Afro-Chilean (minority black, majority white-Spanish) or Afro-Argentinian(majority white-Italian, minority black, minority brown). And all of this is without even getting into Asian-Latino community which itself can be separated into Japanese, Korean and Chinese-descendant cultures and is also an important part of modern Latin America culture. There are so many key details to the identities of people that get overlooked by european and american writers. Thank you for making this video!
Add to the mix (at least in Chile and Argentina for what I know) a) that we were practically teach to mock and lock dow our own native people, who until today are fighting for themselves and when they do, they are considered Terrorists b) in the near past the estate decide To bring a lot of European to "inhabited" areas to get a better race (and took out lands from Natives and even "enslaved" them or erased them from humanity) and later add to the mix literal nazis who where gifted the land c) they literally Hunt people (natives) put them on museums or hunters where paid depending on the parts of the bodies of indigenous people because it was and exotic item. I didn't even know that here (chile) there was an Afro-descendant Community for a long time. Julius popper is the name of a band and just many years before I discovered who that guy was and what he do. Non of that I learn in school.
@@unfazedjae2645 nop, from Chile(south), but sadly I don't think we are that much different, there are differences, but I can only give my subjective point of view. Coulorisim is still a think here, even if we like it or not.
I’m Argentinian, we may be “whiter” than other countries but we’re majority mixed, and outside of Buenos Aires in particular it’s way more common to be yellow or brown. My city is less than 1% white, and even in the city of Buenos Aires paying attention to people I notice that it’s not super white unless you’re in a wealthier neighborhood. Sit in public transportation, look around, and ask yourself how many are actually white. I’m yellow myself, I do have racial privilege because people don’t scrutinize me based on my looks or the color of my skin, but I’m not white passing at all, even though my dad is white. I don’t have the same kind of privilege that an actual white person has, and Argie media never puts people that look remotely like me or my friends on main roles. I’m aware it’s so much harder for people who are darker or have native phenotypes, but my point is that media is extremely biased towards whiter people and it’s insane that most people learned to accept this erasure as normal. And unless we expand our definition of whiteness to include people like me, who would definitely be discriminated against in actual white countries, we are in fact not a majority white country.
I'm glad this is being addressed. When I first read the director's comments, I thought that was incredibly insensitive, and just further perpetuates colorism in Hollywood. I haven't read Marvel comics for quite some time, but it's just as bad that in comics these trends are sticking around.
seems like you missed the whole Spiderman being black now and they tried to turn Iron Man into a black teenage girl at some point. And check out a few Ms Marvel comics... Ms Marvel is looking a bit more middle eastern these days. Oh and Thor was a woman for a hot minute too.
Miles Morales, Riri and Kamala Khan are all completely separate characters. Nobody was “turned” into anything they literally just created new characters.
This is an important conversation. Also Alfred Enoch would have been a much better casting for Sunspot as he is actually half afro-brazillian and half white like the character and mid to darker skinned. Lived experience is important in casting.
Lived experience certainly could play a role in an actor's performance, but ultimately, the important part shouldnt be what ethnicity they are, but rather wether they are able to look and act the part of the character they are supposed to play as. Actors' jobs involves pretending and mimicking, so how close they are to being the real thing in reality isn't as important as to what extent they can act the part on set.
😃 I was literally just saying this as I discussed this video with someone. Alfred's own lineage is fairly close to Roberto's (it's just that _his_ white parent is English and not Brazilian) and he'd be a pretty good example of what Sunspot would look like in the real world, based on how the character was originally drawn.
I loved everything you had to say in this video and I especially adored your tribute to Chadwick Boseman. Black Panther was such an important film for me and my community. My mom, someone who couldn't care less about superheros, went to see it. Chadwick was at the heart of an important moment in culture across the globe and here in Africa and I hope his legacy lives on.
Thank you! That means a lot. I did things a little bit differently in the editor booth this time and I think it made the video more fun and more engaging!
True. Overall both characters look like they've both gotten whiter over the years on tv. I'm editing my prior comment - it looks like there's now a solid effort on preserving their heritage in the comics (by some people at least like Patrick Gleason). Although the new book coming out "Super Sons" by Ridley Pearson chooses to have him be pale with light brown hair & eyes? Now those features can be found in Asia but I don't understand the reasoning behind changing his looks like that. Also they're giving him the very Anglo-Saxon nickname "Ian." And comic readers will know how formal/anti-nickname Damian is. If anyone has read the book, let me know how that turns out.
A white woman is one of the biggest actresses in South Indian cinema and she's usually playing a character that's supposed to be South Indian. It's infuriated me for so long
Did you notice many of the models are lightskinned and arent even indian. There is a vice documentary i beleive. "Fair skin" is a myth. Dark is beautiful
@@TheRabbitHiro Vestiges of colonial standards I think. I have never seen a dark skinned woman with typical Tamil features in a significant role. It feels very rare
As a south Indian myself, I'm kinda curious who you're referring to, cause none come to my mind. (Note: I don't watch a lotta movies so that could be why)
First, phenotypes are so overlooked and glossed over in this conversation. I loved the focus on that and not just skin tones. Second, actors like Chadwick and films like black panther working for our people being portrayed with dignity and normalizing that standard is so fulfilling and moving and I'm so gracious that you use this channel to express that so clearly and straightforwardly..subscribed queen. Go off
@@vikthya1711 Same. I miss her Mohawk days personally. I took one look at that pic and I was like hell no! Reminded me of a time in a costume shop and I saw a Storm costume for sale. This picture on the front had a white model and I was like, how unbelievably blind are these people? 🙁
100% ON THE AMERICA CHVEZ POINT! I was SO frustrated, disappointed, and enraged when I was reading volumn one of America's story and they straight up did a full page splash of young America in front of all of the flags of central and South America??? And they gave her the dialogue of "I went wherever little brown girls were loved" as if that was enough to explain why she didn't identify with one single LatinX culture. Like hello??? It is not a monolith of culture and if she DID have a community like they were insinuating for flavor points then that community would be very concerned about a young girl traveling alone through all of South America!! I was so angry. Also, and this might be a spicier opinion point, but I didn't know the character well until I read volume one, and I didn't know she was supposed to be an alien too. I came into the experience thinking she was LatinX and Gay, but instead she's not even a Terran human, and so it felt like they made a brown character and then slapped on an amorphous "brown culture" for brownie points in order to cater to performative activism without ACTUALLY grounding her character in a cultural identity. If you want to make her brown and an alien, that's fine! But don't make her an alien and LatinX cause THAT has a WHOLE lot of dangerous connotations to it that you have to be careful about, and Marvel just didn't care. UGH!
My god all of this. So many people seemed to LOVE that solo series, I read a lot of those reviews, and it’s such a MESS. The writers seemed to be so dead set on putting as many “Latinxisms” in their comic (“holy Selena!” Etc) it was so upsetting and tiring but then, THEN they have her parents be from planet “Fuertachona” (“planet strong as fuck” basically”) this like you said, is absolute garbage it plays into the homogenization of Latinx culture that is SO prevalent in our society and touted as progressive??!? Hello!!??? What does that say about Latinidad?? How is she a Latina when her people have NO historical ties to the American continent, to the struggles and cultures there?? They want to keep her as this ambiguous “Latina” in order to gain brownie points for feeding into neoliberal bs??? (Especially when her original creators went on to create another series where the main hero is a Puerto Rican woman???!! Who looks real similar hmmm THERES no way to guess what their original plans for her were I guess!) These companies want to take a lot of the symbolism and iconography and trauma and lay over their characters and stories like an onion skin. There on the surface, enough so people notice but like she mentioned with Miles, not actually engage with a lot of that!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! The entire concept of America Chavez is so offensive because it reduces Latinidad to a aesthetic and not an actual living breathing culture with a rich history. Latinidad is about being born in or having a family history that ties back to the real earthly continent of Latin America and without that you are not a real latine, no matter how many outdated stereotypes you embody.
Not only everything was handled poorly but also the story itself is so weak and unispired for such a bold character... felt like someone gave a America+Steven Universe moodboard as inspiration to a 15yo write it on whatpadd.
Love your video. To address some additional problems with Sunspot, in the beginning the character used Spanish expressions, not Portuguese. Probably the authors think all Latin America is the same, and we all talk Spanish. And, yes, the choice about the etnicity of the character says all about the director.
As someone who didn't know anything at all about Ra's (or anything Batman related) I was always very confused when I started reading comics and seeing him drawn as a white count Dracula dressed in vaguely Asian clothes? It made me think he was the original weeb ™️ So I checked Wikipedia and it says his name is actually Henry Ducard? Wtf, I'm so confused.
@@jacobhines5583 so what, as long as her hair is white nothing is lost, and having storm with a afro would be cute symbolism (sometimes I see people refer to afros as puffy clouds)
@@Squirreltasticqueen Yeah, this is the sort of adjustment away from the comics that would be additive, like Domino in Deadpool. White braids would be absolutely stunning too.
Yup...I collected New Mutants wayyyyy back in the day and was looking for sunspot...I was like what the hell? And Danielle didn't look Native American....and before any body come for me I realize native Americans come in ALLLLLL shades like black people....but just makes you wonder why is it everyone that is portrayed white Native? ....just makes me wonder...
@@KarlKristofferJohnsson I've never been clear on if Natives consider her Native or not. Regardless, this isn't a role that's appropriate for a white-passing person like her to play. I'm Black but that doesn't mean I should be cast as the next T'Challa.
Talia and Daimien are the perfect example of the writers “ whitening “ the characters exactly when they start being seen as empathetic figures by the audience. It’s fucked up, Ras Al Gul can be a middle eastern stereotype but because they are Batman’s love interest and son, Talia and Damien get racebended
Well, having particularly pale skin is probably something to be envied a lot, not just in corporate AF Bollywood tv serials and Mexican telenovelas, but also in super mainstream Shōnen mangas like One Piece.
In general I’m just sick in and tired of people in these comics, movies, shows, games, etc. picking and choosing what is relevant or important when continuing on or adapting characters who already existed and already looked a certain way and served certain functions. I’m glad you mentioned multiple characters and talked about DC AND Marvel because this isn’t just a Marvel or DC issue. I too also agree that it’s important that we in the Diaspora not shit on each other or think any of us better than the other. We have different aspects to our respective cultures, but share one race as Black people and at the end of the day we would be so much better off if we worked together more, embraced our differences, reveled in our similarities and overlaps, and not fought. Us fighting is what some people want and relish, we shouldn’t give that to them. Btw, you looked absolutely stunning, as always. 💗💗💗
i hate when shows bring up when a character is latinx but don't do anything about it. an example who be how in the show victorious (which has so many issues with race) the light skin main character mentioned she was half latina and never brought it up again. so that made me think she was white the rest of the show's run. they never mentioned anything about her culture and heritage.
That is bad? How about in Avatar the last airbender, show without a single white person in it (all nations being based either on inuit buddhist chinesse and japanise cultures) had almost entirely white cast in a movie
@@JM-mh1pp they're both bad. Tori being Latina was only used in 2 episodes where she translated random things sikowitz was saying during class. Hell, her dad being a cop was referenced more. While shows like wizards in wizards of Waverly place at least wove Alex's heritage into the plot. There was a whole episode where she was tryna learn Spanish from her mom
@@JM-mh1pp Except for the villains who were 99% darker skin Indians. M. Night claims he didn't intend for the races to be what they were but how you "accidentally" 👀 cast the Fire Nation like that AND claim you wanted accuracy for the pronunciation YET to do this pretended all the nations were Japanese completely erasing the rest of Asia. It's a mess.
@@JM-mh1pp Well, even when Avatar The Last Airbender technically didnt have any western/europian based people, there were quite a few who were light skinned, while the world is alien enough compared to our modern one that the average person wouldnt even think about race unless you were specifically set out to look it up. I personally dont think that an actors race should be an issue, so long as they look like the character they representing (which admittedly, was kinda the case for a few chars in the movie).
I was livid when I realized Ms. Braga was playing Dr. Reyes whose one of my fav obscure X-Men characters and Sunspot too both are clearly meant to be Afro Latinx and there are a multitude of Afro Latinx Actors/actresses that couldve portrayed both of them i.e. Rome Flynn who looks just like What Roberto would've actually looked like and Yaya DaCosta who would've bodied the role of Dr. Reyes
I really wish people would stop creating a brazilian character that's just an excuse for having a white charatcer and pretend that they are mixed because they are brazilian and therefore, the diversity check box is filled. I'm brazilian and race is such a really complex topic here and it is annoying, to say the least, to see a light skinned kinda latinx character described as brazilian because it's an easy diversity route for comics and films.
Thank you for speaking on the ethnic diversity of Latam. How a hispanic sounding surname is not enough especially for countries like Cuba, Mexico, Panama, Guatemala, etc who were purposefully screwed over by the US in post colonial times. Even for us white latinos its insulting to remove that latin tradition and customs just because we are white. It feels like a responsibility to speak on racism because we privilege from it, even though our passports or even country names are accepted/taught worldwide.
thank you for talking about this. i was vaguely aware of colorism in casting, but didn't realize that these movies were deviating so hard from the comics (and that the *comics* were deviating so hard from the comics, wow! but i don't really read comics...) (also wanted to say i really liked the graphics in this one! the text can be a little difficult to read, though, especially the red. if you're able to add contrasting outline colors to text, would definitely recommend that!)
This is amazing👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 You can clearly tell you did your research and went in depth. So many facts were spoken and I love your passion for it. I only knew about Storm and not the rest but I’m still shocked. I don’t understand why our features can’t be consistent like the rest of the white people💁🏾♀️💁🏾♀️. It just screams racism every time something is changed. Accurate Representation is so freaking important and I hate that people don’t take it seriously.
An excellent video about an important issue in comics. That being said. Storm was original intended to look like a mixture of physical traits from throughout humanity. The original description was that she had "the rarest traits." Or at least what a white writer considered the rarest traits in the late seventies. Somewhere it gets stated that she is supposed to represent some future version of humanity where ethnicities have blended together. However I don't think any of this has been mentioned in at least a decade.
It’s really not unreasonable to ask that you keep a character “on model”. At the very least establishing a character's skin tone is something that can easily be done. If DC can establish the exact grey of Batman's costume, then it shouldn't be so hard to instruct a colorist on someone's skin tone. There's a way characters are drawn and when drawn with the correct features everyone knows that character. You'll never mistake Clark Kent for anyone else when he's drawn in a crowd scene. And before people start on "artistic choices" and "freedom of artistic interpretation" remember when Jack "The King" Kirby drew Superman they pasted a Curt Swan Superman head on the head Kirby drew. It was that important for the brand and it's that important for people represented by a character to get it right. After all the first way that character was drawn was what made a person buy that book.
I really enjoyed this! Every one of your video makes me realize there is so much that I never thought about. A perspective like yours is something I definitely needed. Thanks!
My friend plays one of those Marvel fighting mobile games (I can’t remember the name of it) and he sent me a screenshot of Storm complaining about how she looked like a tan white woman. Why they gotta do Storm like that 😫
I once read an interview in which designer said that Storm has blue eyes to reflect the sky and white hair to look like snow, thus making her kind of weather avatar.
i literally had no idea Damien wayne was of arab decent, literally he is drawn as a white kid and as an outside who doesn't read dc comics this is YIKES.
There was a time during the DCYou era that had Damien drawn with Arab features. But ever since they had him join the teen titans this was thrown out of the window. Except in Tomasi written works. So I’m guessing he was the one, rightfully, pushing it
I thought he was only a quarter arab because Talia is often depicted as pretty damn white. Ra's might not even be arabic his name Ra's al Ghul is more a title than a proper name. So its entirely possible that he is white as well or at least mixed. So a kid who is 3/4th white depicting as white is not unheard of.
@@almightykue3914 That's what I believe so I'm not as infuriated with Damian's color or Talia's as I am with others. I would prefer them to be more tan and Arab, but it's fine. That's just me.
@@cray-seacoral I'm working off memory here but when Damian was first being introduced, he and Talia were definitely Not White and he had green/hazel eyes. As time progressed he just kept being whitewashed in various media and has been set up to become a villain or at least his character has been regressed badly. The last time I saw Talia not whitewashed was in Batman:The Brave and the Bold, a damn cartooon and it was very brief. Also don't quote me on this, but Ras is supposed to be originally from a Chinese nomadic tribe but maybe mixed with Arab? But who really knows, DC lately has been a mess imo.
@@redonyx5428 I understand. If they're definitely supposed to be non-white then they should be. But if it's not confirmed then well... I don't know what to say. The uncertainty of it makes the question very grey.
Mixed-race Brazilian here, kinda late but I just now discovered this video. I think you portrayed our country's situation pretty well! Honestly, it's such a weird ass take, the way the director wanted to portray us. Hell, he could very easily have had the character *be* a rich privileged kid who is still a POC and endures racism because surprise, there are rather well-off POC here, but even being rich doesn't mean you're immune from systemic racism. There are so many absolutely excelent mixed and afro-brazilian actors too, it's just baffling that he picked the one white guy who came from one of the most privileged backgrounds possible. Almost as if he thinks "representing positively" necessarily means white... 🤔
I remember watching TDKR in theaters and even though I knew next to nothing of comics I laughed my ass off when Marion Cotillard said she was Talia al Ghul, like no honey you aren't 🤣
@@TiberiusStJudge I know about English and that why the people are making mistakes but this one different. I am speaking as an Arab who is also a British citizen. So yeah, you could say I have a little expertise in this area.😁
@ThisIsMyRealName Linguistics is weird and language always changing. "Colored People" used to be the norm a few decades ago, now it's racist. "People of Color" is totally fine in 2020 Though. In 2040 I bet it won't be.
@@Ray03595 The term "people of color" has been popularized recently, but it was invented by black people and used as early as the 1960s & 70s. Many asked to be called "citizens of color", "women of color", etc. rather than "colored people". "Colored people" was a reclaimed term for Black people after the British first used it as derogatory. Language does change, but the term "POC" likely won't. It hasn't yet. www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/03/30/295931070/the-journey-from-colored-to-minorities-to-people-of-color
I'm brazilian and you said everything right! Thank you, seriously. I love your content, you always do the research and speak your opinion and the facts so well explained! For real, you are awesome. Im trying to learn more and understand more about colorism and all the problems involving the representation of people of color in todays media. Your videos are art and super helpful ps: I loved your makeup and hair, like wow!
So much to unpack on this video, thank you so much. I am an artist even though I am Cuban and from the Caribbean, I do have those tendencies in my art. One part of it if the anime aesthetic but the other is just racial biasses. I have been working on becoming more Antiracist. I look to people like you for guidance. Thank you! ✊🏿✊🏾✊🏽✊🏼✊🏻
Girl, im brazilian and i can say with certain that i never saw someone non brazilian that know so much about us. You are absolutely right. Great video by the way.
it's crazy. growing up, i was colorist towards others and myself, not even knowing why. i used to pride myself on how light i used to be before my melanin kicked in and "ruined" me. i remember calling one of my classmates in elementary a burnt biscuit (i apologized after i realized i made him upset, but it still makes me sad i did that in the first place. things like that stick with us for a long time). i had all these issues about being a brown person, and im still getting over that and learning to accept myself. it's so very important to have representation- PROPER representation! I dont want a poc slapped on and u call it a day. Like you said about miles' mom, we need some specifics. i want some haitian girl rep in media for once 😪 i want my girls to have some braids and not always have their hair either straightened or natural (not that there's another wrong with either, but those arent the only styles we do! show some protective hairstyles p l e a s e). im just sad. this stuff effects people so much and they dont care. it's not their problem so they dont care. i can only do so much to try to write or draw my own rep
Omg this made me think about how the recent street fighter games white washed their Black Brazilian character Sean and introduced his sister whos so lightskin they don't even look related
im coming back to this video 6 months later and ... they did the same thing with the america chavez casting 😐. whats worse is i got into argument with folks who said america wasn't arfo latina when she was literally drawn with afro puffs as a child in a flashback scene
It bugs me when all the Robins are together and just look like russian nesting dolls of Bruce. Dick is canonically Romani and he is never drawn like that.
Thought you'd reference Ron Wimberly's "Lighten Up" for the Nib. It's specifically about those issues from the perspective of a black colourist at one of the big two.
I just started the video and I had to pause bc the guy explicitly says that a better brazilian is a white/light-skinned brazilian ksksk do people pay attention to what they say at all?
@@luthientinuviel3883 there's a limited number of reasons someone asks why one went lighter skinned on a casting choice. There are even fewer good answers. This man did not choose wisely.
This video is important and tackles the issue of colorist in comics and cinema perfectly. I always hated the casting of Halle Berry. Back then I realllyyy wanted Grace Jones to play her. I always saw her as the perfect storm. Her delivery would have been something else. Imagine her calling on her ancestors to guide her before she “storms” the place out!! What we got was very lack luster. And don’t get me started on what they did to Darwin. The potential was there but they kept taking it away by diminishing everything that made that character who they are and that includes their skin tone and features. Great video!
The fact that the director wanted someone who looked rich and he just couldn't imagine picking a Black actor
deahdirectah, this part 👆🏾👆🏿
Welcome to the world of diversity. There are white people too in Latin America.
@@PungiFungi No one is saying white people don't exist in Latin America we're very clearly complaining about a white Latin American being cast for the role, we can tell they exist. Black Americans exist too and are way less likely to be represented on screen, and this character in particular has his origin story embedded in his Blackness.
@@PungiFungi are you serious? They’re literally represented EVERYWHERE in South America 🤦🏾♀️ How many novelas or news presenters have you seen that included people who happened to be either of African or Native descent?! Stop fronting by using words you don’t know the meaning of 🙄
Was thinking exactly the same
"Represent Brazil in a positive way"="He's rich and white". YIKES.
And is it just me or is there a fixation with darker skin and white or blond hair? It's weird.
Even to me that was a hard pill to swallow. And I live in Brazil!
I'm reminded of how Omar Sharif hardly ever actually played an Egyptian in British and American films; those roles always went to White actors.
@@Tareltonlives the white people representation of egypt is another issue that's treated poorly. Like "can you guys please wake up and realize that EGYPT IS IN FRIGGIN AFRICA?!".
I am a white brazillian person and this is just YIKES.
"Raaz Al Ghul is kinda nothing {ethnically} " WHITE IS NOT NEUTRAL.
Right on! Ghul being white is taking his most powerful and complex otherworldly characteristics away from him.
Raaz gucking white. Are you kidding me?!? Why the whitewashing gotta be that deep
Ok i maybe misunderstanding but if thats true how are lighter skinned mixed ppl not neutral
@@hondyno3869 They aren't. But that's not what's being said here. They didn't say he's partially this or that. They said he was nothing. Mixed race light people aren't nothing.
If he's "nothing" then he should be invisible- skin, organs, bones- everything and born from a super nova. (maybe also change his name to some anagram rather than a name that means "head of the demon" in arabic) That way he doesn't even remotely resemble a real world race.
That writer who spoke about Raaz Al Ghul is an idiot.
I think Marvel and DC really need to bring back some form of "house style" for their art.
Like have resources that say, "this is the hex code for Storm's complexion", "Ra's al-Ghul is Arabic, here is a photo gallery of middle-aged Arabic men so you can draw him accurately", "Here is a photo gallery of mixed-race Brazillians so you can depict Bobby da Costa accurately"
Because it seems like a lot of the time the colourists and line artists aren't even AWARE of the character's background.
As a Filipino-American, one of the things that shocked me when I first visited the motherland was how dark-skinned the general population was. My family is mixed-Chinese and majority light skin and the only people I saw on Filipino TV were other light skins, so as a child I really didn’t expect the average person to look so different. Representation matters.
Well, that's not too surprising when you consider the Philippines as a whole is a mixed-race and mixed-ethnicity culture. The original inhabitants of those islands were called "Negrito" by the Spaniards who invaded the island chain. They mostly live in the mountainous regions and racially and phenotypically are Afro/Austro islanders like those in Fuji, the Samoas, and Bali. That's a fancy way of saying they're *Black. The "Asian" look in the Philippines is a by-product of both Japanese and Chinese migrations to the islands.
Why, why does it matter. Full blooded Pinoy talking, I couldn’t care less if I saw brown people on TV. If TV is where you get your motivation for life, it’s you whose the problem.
Lol this exactly what i was about to mention, early on evem before, filipino here and yea the filipino celebs you see in filipino tv , is warned nothing like the actual place going to local cities it's difer nothing like that, i said this best somewheren
The skin whitening products in here, it's all the rage. The lighter you are, the more attractive you are. It's the standard. It's something that won't change in the near future, i don't really see it happening. It's sad because I've seen some young people get bullied for it.
@@el6700 well...you are one person. The world doesnt revolve around you. You not understanding that makes you the problem.
"Who presented brasil in a positive way"
- a rich white guy?
That says a lot..
Lmaooooo
Says it ALL.
He clearly meant by having a good Brazilian actor
Remind me of that series "100 Years of" and the model to represent Brazil was a ginger with freckles.... the comments were a bloodbath
tie gideon sad to say but other parts of his statement is worrisome. If it was only that sentence maybe he misspoke. For example, “I wanted to find somebody who seems like he could look like a guy who’s had a silver spoon in his mouth, who has like a really rich dad...” So black men can’t have a wealthy father? A black man can’t act snobby? Boseman already showed us that a black man can carry himself with dignity and a sense of nobility. With the whole statement in mind, one asks “did what you mean not come outright or what came out was what you meant?”
director: *explains why he wanted a lighter skinned actor*
me: wow, you just missed the whole point of Roberto
Your eulogy for Chadwick Boseman was touching. I've seen a lot of people online mourning like he was some kind of toy in their comic book movies rather than a human being. Your acknowledgement of Black Panther not just as a cool movie but as a cultural touchstone and part of a real movement was powerful.
I couldn’t agree more.
"I like my storm with Jackson five nostrils." 😂😂😂
lol...under-rated post*
Black people have small narrow noses too. They are diverse in appearance, no?
@@PungiFungi yes but that’s a small minority. Most of us don’t and that’s okay 🤷🏽♀️
@@PungiFungi Sort of. In Africa almost every phenotype is represented on the continent, but most people of African descent in America are from sub-Saharan west Africa and have larger wider noses, unless mixed with other races. Narrow noses with a high nose bridge in Kenya isn't common either. So again, when you talk about specific origin, it makes no sense for Storm to have barbie features. Had she been an Ethiopian woman, that would be completely different. Africa is not a monolith. It's the second largest continent.
Storm never had Jackson 5 nostrils.
As a mexican guy living in Mexico, I'm pretty tired of seeing "latinx" representation and that representation being a white, green eyed, rare last name person. We need more Yalitzas.
I feel you, how can there be such a disparity. Take the show 'la Rosa de la Guadalupe' had more variety in skin tones and class representation in the opening theme song then in the actual show. With heavy themes set on morality. The whole thing screamed progressive respectability training. Which we see in it's successor 'Como Dice El Dicho' blown up to eleven. Where are the swap meet style venders/market places of the working class.
In telenova in Latin America and anime in Asia some time make it look like hispanic and asian love white people and hate black people
It also sucks how much people from Latin American countries are used interchangeably. Mexico, Cuba and Brazil are all very different places. :V
Period
Is it me or maybe everyone here speaks Spanish (including me) and somehow all of you prefer to do this in English
I’ve never seen a foreigner talking so well about the racial issue in Brazil. Thx for that. I’d love to chat with u for hours. Love from Brazil
I tried to do my research!
@@Princess_Weekes It was a really well done approach to the subject! I currently do research on race issues and whiteness in Brazil and you managed to summarize the deep complicated racial relations in Brazil like a pro! Also love your channel!!
@@Princess_Weekes It was really well done research !
Sorry to this man but "I wanted to represent Brazil in positive way" isn't compatible with "I didn't care so much about the racist I've heard about in Brazil". Big yikes
Loved the video!!
Right??? How are gonna properly represented a country in ANY capacity but not care at all about the sociopolitical situation of said country. Absolutely wild in the worst way
Its why I love the anime Michiko no Hatchin. Its a Brazilin set anime that doesn't try to hide its black and dark skinned Brazilians.
Depressing that when we do finally get a dark skinned character we gotta play guess what shade they'll be in a year. Why is it so hard to use the eyedropper tool? Girl even Microsoft Paint has it
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Bruh this comment 😂😂😂
either it's the artistic hubris of "i don't wanna use the eyedropper tool it's cheating!!! i will figure it out by myself!!!" or the bad habit of coloring lighter skin because ~aesthetic purposes™~
I'm a graphic designer so if I just started eyeballing color or making things lighter I'd be out of a job so I highly doubt allllllll these artists, designers, etc suddenly forgot the most basic rule of their job. Try that shit with anything else like logos, adverts, business cards, etc and watch a client drop you real quick.
Yo, kamit people (meaning african, born on the continent or not)
No need to fight so much to exist in a world that doesn't want you.
They. do. not. WANT. us!
Instead of staying victims, let's be actors and build movie production studios
Get to know the History of our people
And then make dope as f kamit approved movies
plus make a lot of money on it!
It's already being done!
Another thing about Talia in the comics is that the way she is drawn and coloured tends to change based on her current status in Bruce's life. During arcs where she is acting more as an ally/love interest, she tends to be drawn with lighter skin and more eurocentric features, whereas in arcs where she is playing the role of an enemy (or the role of Damian's "crazy" mom - yeah, that was a whole thing, particularly in the New 52 and even persisting into Rebirth Batman comics) she tends to be drawn with darker skin. Which is...messed up on so many levels. Also, Rose Wilson/Ravager (Deathstroke's daughter) is another example of a mixed race comic book character who is usually drawn to take after her white father, to the point that I didn't even know she was supposed to be mixed race until some more recent stories that delved into Rose's backstory and ethnicity.
I wonder how much is of that is intentional and how much of it is subconsciously done.
Wait- Rose Wilson/Ravager is mixed race??! I literally didn't have the slightest inkling this was a fact 😳 Her parallel Earth counterpart (the president's daughter) in _Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths_ just looks like a tanned, caucasian, redhead 😕 You even see a brief flash of her mother (who is deceased by the time of the movie) when Martian Manhunter sifts through her memories, and she certainly didn't look like a POC to me 🤔 Wow. These peeps do be whitewashing...
Lord that's really messed up
@@FadzaiSimango The funny part of all that, is that Titans actually did more or less right with her ethnicity SOMETHING THAT EVEN THE COMICS DO WRONG
@@juliocesar899 exactly what l was thinking, that's like really messed up
Boone's defense for casting Braga instead of a darker skinned actor because he wanted specifically to represent Brazil in a positive way and a wealthy person is such an unbelievably racist comment.
Makes me glad that movie bombed
One of the Black woman characters that originated in comics that has remained dark skinned in all incarnations is Michonne from The Walking Dead, in the comics she dark skinned, on the show dark skinned, the video games still dark skinned, all types of merchandise still dark skinned. There hasn't been a point where suddenly she looks like Vanessa L Williams.
and i love it
keep in mind, she's only been drawn by one artist, as a result, the character is more consistent. Also, the character is kinda...butch? Nothing wrong with that but she kinda fits in this archetype of black woman who isn't traditionally feminine, and one could question if, were the character "softer", what are the odds that she'd have been cast as more light skinned...
Maxime Teppe bingo
@@maximeteppe7627 I know, but you also have characters like Amanda Waller dark skinned fat Black woman who also got lighter skinned and thinner in one of the live action shows
@@maximeteppe7627 youre lowkey right. i have a feeling if she was less butch she would have fairer skin :( but i love that shes butch like me and i dont get to see it too often so i dont really mind the portrayal
Im a mixed brazilian guy(really white passing tho) and i gotta say for a majority black and mixed country there is so much racism here and a lot of it is based on colorism so the fact that they took a brazilian character that deals with that and white wash him is insane, personally to me cause new mutants is my shit, in the comics anyways. But its really frustrating cause most brazilian characters we see in media are lightskinned sexy women and we had a diferent character in sunspot and they fuck him over, btw i hate that he is a ceo billionere now. Ps: sorry 4 bad english
moço, teu inglês tá perfeito
Teu inglês is fine, meu bacano
Entrar em qqr canal do RUclips é tipo chegar numa festa q tu não conhece ninguém. É só esperar eles falar do Brasil q logo vc acha os brasileiros todos.
Aí gente q amor os br, amo vcs
don't apologize for your english you're doing great
Personally, I think the comics steadily lightening Roberto is worse than the casting. Not because one is more important than the other, but because of what this slow and steady retcon says about the MULTITUDE of creators that have worked on him.
:( yeah
I grew up with New Mutants as my comic book team.
As a black boy at the time, I hitched my self to Sunspot because I thought he was black. Seeing a black hero made me think I could be one. I literally saw none so I didn't think it was possible.
I had a huge push back finding out he was Brazilian. I felt my importance wane. I didn't have an anchor. I couldn't save anyone.
And that's the essence of representation. We make heroes to inform that we can do it as well. And if we do everything possible to tell a group of people that they don't fit that, we're telling their potential best and brightest that they don't matter.
We do matter. And we're done being unseen.
“I didn’t care so much about the racism I’ve heard about in Brazil, about light-skinned versus dark-skinned.”
Sunspot’s very first appearance had him suffering racial abuse. You kind of have to care about the racism if you’re going to adapt that character.
the X-Men erasing the ethnicities of the characters is inexcusable. the whole franchise is meant to be a civil rights metaphor, not a white power fantasy!!
No it’s not.
Well, when the Original X-Men was created it was about Jewish people. The civil rights metaphor mostly come from the '70s version of the X-Men
It’s a major pet peeve of mine when people (especially people who should know better like Alan Moore or Garth Ennis) say that super heroes are inherently fascist or white supremacist. A) 95% of super heroes were created by Jewish writers and artists and B) for, like, a solid 20 year span, the biggest super hero comic in the world was the least subtle civil rights allegory this side of Star Trek TOS.
Kurapika Giovanna No, the X-men are not stand-ins for any group or person.
@@WhatDoesEvilMean yeah stan lee made them for the general oppresed, not any single group. it can be used for any fomr of oppresion depending on the story
"...in the next Black Panther movie."
Ow, my heart. :(
On Talia and Damien, there is actually one semi-explicitly stated bit of their ethnic background. The Sensei is explicitly Asian - presumably Japanese since he's called "The Sensei" - and is Ra's' father.
Aaaaand... He got rebranded as "The Shaman" and played by Raymond J. Barry.
I hate to admit it because I do love them, but the extended Bat Family are chock full of racial and ethnic erasure on all platforms. I mean, two white boys, a Romani, and a Eurasian kid are all drawn pretty much the same as Robin.
As a afro-brasilian I got really upset with the casting of New Mutants, but i didn't knew about those comments from the director. I though it was just a thing like "lets cast latinos, they already a minority we don't need to cast them black or whatever".
It makes me think, that white directors/writers don't usually cast POC not just because they are racist but also they don't want the job to do a basic research on ethnicity or even nationality. They just don't care to avert any tipe of
preconception or bias.
Marvel/Disney is well known for its Nazism especially when they destroyed the black comic book industry. Never put it past a company that mocks black oppression.
And Disney acts like an Ally
They don’t care to do their research, then I don’t care to support their films.
That Ra's al Ghul quote, though. It's sounds kind of like when a TV-show has a gay or a bisexual character, but the creators refuse to refer to them as such: "We don't want to label him! It's not the focus of his character! We just want him to be him!" Vague, exotic flavor over actual, concrete representation.
Or, you know, focusing on making him an interesting and entertaining fucking character instead of just more representation brownie points.
@@captaincomic8678 we can make interesting 3 dimensional characters and also just call them gay when they are obviously written as such lmao. It’s not mutually exclusive, and it’s quite weird not to do so.
I wonder how much of this can be attributed to laziness and carelessness on the part of artists. Like, they don't care about learning how to draw non-European features, they don't think it's important. And particularly when it comes to female characters, a lot of artists have this mentality that they (at least the heroic ones) should always be attractive, and they have an extremely limited idea of what an attractive woman looks like so they all have the same faces and hair. It's so insane that Storm, of all characters, gets whitewashed so much considering that she's explicitly African and it's a major part of her backstory.
While we're at it, can I also bitch about how the movies just had her on the side doing nothing of importance or anything cool even though she's arguably Marvel's most famous and popular female character? Considering what First Class did to Darwin I'm just convinced that the FOX X-Men film series just hates black people.
Given MCU trying to incorporate more diversity, I've got my fingers crossed that Storm will get better treatment there.
Omg Darwin. >.< His power is literally not dying! Somehow ::coughracistbullshitcough:: he manages to be the first to die.
@@jasenjacobs1365 I have to admit if I was a bad guy in a comic and someone would tell me that his power is not dying I would also be very eager to test his theory.
@@JM-mh1pp sure this is a strike against the writers not the villain.
As someone who has seen some shit in art school, I can say you're right on the money. They STILL have character design classes where certain features are taught as shorthand for "evil-looking" characters, with absolutely zero examination of why that is, and why it's maybe not so great. Folks will argue that it's "just shape/color theory," as though all media exists in an apolitical void. Also I will never, never forgive anyone/everyone responsible for killing Darwin in First Class. (If they didn't know how to write such a high-powered character, they 1) shouldn't have put him in at all, and 2) should give up on superhero media forever.)
I mean, you're aware of who owned Fox until recently, right?
It always bugged how Storm never at least had an Afro or anything in one of her many designs. Only ones I’ve seen are fan art.
I wish I could post a picture here, I have a black panther comic and she has an Afro in it.
Russell Dauterman is really one of the only people I’ve seen giving her correct features - check the covers to Marauders as well as Giant Sized X-Men Jean Grey/Emma Frost, and Giant Sized Storm
@@usagicassidy Yes! Those Storm covers are badass!
She is supposed to have straight hair. Part of her mutation. What bothers me is that is part of her mutation along with her blues eyes. Yes, her eyes are blue until they turn white upon using her powers.
And this is why you're not a character designer.
Speaking of DC, I wish they’d actually have Dick Grayson talk about his Romani heritage more. Or have him use his privilege as a white passing rich boy to help the Romani diaspora and call attention to the issues they face.
Same. And he could talk about why his parents used non-Roma names to avoid racism... This is why I really appreciate ArchiveForOurOwn. Fanfic writers have handled his heritage much more respectfully and deeper than comics/tv have.
www.themarysue.com/the-flash-gypsy-due-for-a-name-change/
= Just found this article and it really delves into the Roma portrayal of the DC character literally called "Gyp*y" who was on the CW Flash show.
I agree. I always loved him and I love him more due to my heritage. My grandmother was Romani. My great-grandparents were forced into having their names changed. My grandmother would lighten her skin and so her children would not be mistreated did not tell her children about their heritage for years. I found out after she died. My family knew trying to blend in was a better option. The one thing I remember most about her was how she taught me how to take care of my hair. She always told me to honor and respect my hair because it was a piece of her. I use to hate my hair due to other white girls making fun of me for having this texture that was different. I never knew why she always told me this until later. I wish they would talk about how this group of people are forced into things and looked down upon. My great-grandparents lived off the land and carved beautiful things. My grandmother made homemade foods and sold it. I loved learning from them but people look down on their culture.
This is the sort of thing every adaptation should have at least mentioned. I never realized that
Do you have fic recs??? I would love to read them!
@@meandkitty8387 On the site, Archive Of Our Own, there's "What’s Waited Till Tomorrow Starts Tonight" by theragingstorm is so amazing! Damian goes back in time and lives with Dick's fam for a bit. Got good Roma rep, lgbtq rep, Muslim rep, etc.... not to mention great character development for Dami and insight into Dick's psyche.
(also if ya like the character, I suggest looking up Latino Jason Todd as it's amaz)
"If you want representation, just make original characters!"
"We did."
"Hahaha, yeah we're gonna make them all white. But we can't do it the other way around, that'd be too political."
Quite a few characters have been blackwashed tho. Like Wally West, Nick Fury, Starfire, Deathshot, Heimdall, Jimmy Olsen, Martian Manhunter, Johnny Storm, Electro, Kingpin and Cat Woman among others.
So, race swapping does go both ways unlike what many may think.
Zetto Vii Nicki Fury wasn’t black washed. The black nick is canonically the son of white Nick Fury. They just decided to use the black one in the mcu instead of the white one.
Starfire is an alien. Horrible example
Man hunter is also an alien. Lol smh nobody cares about who plays an alien as long as they kill it. Zoe Saldana played 2 aliens in Avatar and GOTG. You can’t complain about that unless we get actual aliens to play aliens
There are different cat women. Eartha Kitt played catwoman in the 3rd season of The Batman series in the 60s. Nobody cared back then nor did anyone care when Halle played catwoman in the 00s. Not saying it’s completely fine to “blackwash” a character but there are like 100 white superheroes for ever black one. And catwoman in general is a very “fluid” character in general she’s one of these characters who can be played by anyone and it wouldn’t affect or change her origin story in any way.
@@jaylindr3723
Nick Fury was indeed black washed, the black one being the son of the white one is just a retcon they did later in the years. Kinda the same how black Wally was supposed to replace white West, but was eventually retconned to be his cousin, even though as far as either of those live action counterparts are concerned, only their dark skinned variants exists.
Martian Manhunter and Starfire may be aliens, but thing is they werent black in any way until fairly recent history. While if you look down in the comments, quite a few people seem to want Superman to become black despite being an alien.... So them being aliens really doesnt matter as far as their ethnical appearance is concerned.
Now in the case of Catwoman, I will admit that it is not a good example, since she is supposed to be a different character (she is supposed to be a successor named Patience Phillips as opposed to being the classic Selina Kyle). With that said, the general idea that they take a consistently white character only to then change their ethnicity/race in mainstream media, is still there.
Catwoman might not have any traits that are exclusively white, but she has generally been a white character, raised in a predominantly white city in a mostly white country, why change it up?
If you are so fine with "race fluid" characters getting race swapped, what would you think if we turned Warmachine into a white guy? What whould you think if we made Cyborg who came from a rich scientist family, into some white jew? Or if we grabbed Jubilee from Xmen and made her lighter skinned? Their race has not much importance in what defines their character other than their appearance... But isnt that an important factor in of itself?
If you are gonna make an issue about race swaps, you should be consistent about it and make an issue about it in any case regadless of the original race, not apply this double standard of making a deal of it when it's done to dark colored characters while dismissing or justifying when it's done to light colored characters.
It really doesn't matter if the total amount of whitewashed characters are higher than blackwashed ones, it's not a competition. A race swap is still a race swap, while if you check in recent times, it's not as popular to whiten dark skinned characters anymore, while blackening light ones is becoming a fairly common practice in mainstream media. If this issue of racial swapping is going to be given any attention at all, then that's a detail that shouldnt be ignored.
@@zettovii1367 Race swap would be less of an issue if one ethnicity wasn't historicly so overrepresented beyond the other ones.
@@nitehunter91
But here is the thing, the majority will always have more representation than the minority...Because they are *the majority.* It does not make any sense whatsoever to compare them in terms of quantity, because minorities are considered as such precisely because there are less of them than the majority.
If you wanna speak of American and European countries, thatd mean that white people gets the most representation... But that's because you are in mostly white lands. If you instead checked African countries, youd see more representation of black people, while East Asia has more yellow people.
So the amount of representation certain ethnicities gets, shouldnt be made an issue, because it's always a subjective thing that varies depending on where you are. What should be important, is that they get representation at all, and that the representation they get are handled with respect.
Now with that said and done, I want to ask is racial/ethnic replacement of popular characters of one ethnicity into another one, a respectful thing to do when it's treated as the main way to give minorities representation?
Like, what would you feel if most famous characters representing your race, were literally just recolored versions of characters who previously were of another?
Omg I literally didn’t even know Damien Wayne was mixed race because I’ve never seen him drawn as anything other than mayonnaise white aaaaaaaaaaa comic artists why are you like this
@Unknown gacha i will not make the same mistake when i am eventually and inevitably elected god emperor of comic books
@Unknown gacha Ra's Al Ghul is his grandfather. Ra's is half Chinese, half Arabic. I think Talia's mom was white, I am not sure.
@@DCMarvelMultiverse Talia`s mother was a Slavic hippie named Sora,like Ra`s,myself and most Slavs she was mixed between European and Asian. Her murder was one of the last straws in solidifying his hatred of the human race.
Same here.
Legit they're whitewashing everyone.
I recently found out how many latino characters in 80s movies were played by greek/italian/european actors doing accents 😬🤦♂️
this is something i think about a lot (and not just with dark skinned characters since i got i to arguments with people back when age of ultron about wanda and pietro)
there are so many weird arguments about why these things happen (not comics but i also remember a whole mess in the winx club fandom as well) when i do think its carelessness. just care more, think about your choices.
That's a good way to put it, "just care more"! As a writer, I wasn't aware of this issue for a long time. I contributed to it unthinkingly. Now I know about it, care to avoid contributing to it, and care to make sure that my characters accurately represent the ethnic group they hail from. Avoiding that "eurocentric drift" can be as easy as noticing it and paddling the other direction.
Pietro and Wanda have honestly been done so dirty lately. Not Romani in the movies, not ethnically Jewish in the comics -or- movies, and not even mutants anymore! They even erased their *fictional* minority identities! Like come on!
Loved this! I think it's also telling that when talking about roberto they associated a "positive representation" of a country with a lighter skinned person. too often that bias is ingrained in the way people think Also, from personal experience, i think it fucks with little kids, seeing "non-white" characters with essentially white features.... just another standard we can can never meet but are too young to understand why.
lastly this is very nitpicky point but i thought i'd let you know - we use "arabic" as an adjective for objects/language and "arab" when we refer to people :P but i appreciate all the points u made in ur video and subscribed!
there are so many black or dark-skinned girl characters who have white hair and blue eyes. on one hand i think it's good for everyone to be depicted as equally fantastical (for instance if every character has an unrealistic hair color, though this is still definitely a trend) but even in media with otherwise realistic designs this happens
@@luiysia Absolutely. My alarm bell always goes off if there is an inability to just allow darker skinned characters to have dark eyes and hair too. Nothing is done without a reason.
I feel like what’s particularly gross about this, is there are in-universe discussions about how mutants are “the next evolution of humanity”.
As if they are the result of humanity coming one step closer to, “perfection”.
But of course, the characters get lighter and lighter, and lose more and more of any ethnically defining features.
Like, y’all really aren’t being that subtle are you? I guess the best humans can’t be any variation of ethnic. -_-
Gross.
Nobody in the comics defends the "mutant superiority" stuff beyond villains and certain extremist heroes. It's not at all the intended message.
Thank you for sharing because they do getting less defining
@@nicovelardita8619 Took the words from my mouth.
Nico Velardita The intended message is the one the writter of the comic delivers through ANY of his characters , good or bad . Don’t be a fool
Just because I have Magneto say « fuck asian people » in my comic instead of having Charles saying it doesn’t absolve me from being offensive and racist towards asian people
@@nicovelardita8619 I was thinking about this. BUT. There is a lot of narrative work making us relate to the struggles of the "villains"(more like anti-heroes I suppose) and sympathizing with them. It's hard not to, with how wronged some of them have been, they're great characters. You're absolutely right that it's obviously not the intended message, I don't think imjustabrian was implying that either, just that when they start whitewashing some of the characters the optics aren't going to be great when a supremacy narrative is a big part of the motivation for some of them.
I don't know if this was a deliberate decision about Sunspot, but his powers appear to have deeper meaning than meets the eye. Originally, his power was absorb solar energy and reuse it in some interesting ways. The important fact is Sunspot transformation into a deep black figure has roots in the fact that black absorbs most all wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation. In the context of his debut, this clearly can be linked to melanin and blackness. A power derived from blackness in its essence - biological and metaphorical.
Clearly we need to cast a white guy.
Well, it'd be interesting to see a white dude get progressively black as a side effect of his powers... But yeah, no need to race swap at all really.
They did the same with Heimdall, who is a norse god originally described as the whitest and brightest of them all, yet they turned him into a black guy. Like seriously, why.
I’ve been saying this. Clearly his power of being able to turn super dark and more me melanated ties into his african heritage.
Lol, well said.
@@jaylindr3723 I'm going to disagree on this one. He becomes black to emulate an actual spot, for optimal absorption. It's totally fine to theorize, but I think you're thinking about it too deep.
aquatictwist I think we’re both right. Yes, his power is solar absorption but everyone knows black people and darkskinned people get their melanin from the sun to adopt to harsher weather. I don’t think it’s far fetched to assume that the absorption of solar energy which makes him darker wouldn’t be a homage to his roots.
This reminds me of how Hollywood tends to use Chinese actors to represent all Asians. Asian on Asian racism is a BIG problem especially in the East! Disney likes to go on & on about how Mulan & Shang Chi are "huge wins for Asian audiences" when they are only wins for Chinese & Chinese/American audiences.
Thats just because Chinese is the most casually understood Asian culture. Most people default all Asian culture to just be Chinese due to ignorance. Just like how Hollywood makes all Black people African American, even if the actors are from the UK.
I absolutely adore that you touched up on Black Latinx identity. I'm not a Black latino myself but my mother and roommate are and I see how racism in our country has shaped their life and it's racism specific to the country I'm from (where racism is seen as.... A joke basically). When my roommate and I watched Spiderverse the first thing we said was "hey that's our son!"
Black Latinx representation matters and being specific about their ethnicity is very important
Where are you from, pal?
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ Venezuela. Racism in Venezuela is seen as casual and falls into what some call "cultura de chalequeo" which places blame on the victim for daring to be offended and not being strong enough to "take it". It's like we're a country full of male comedians that make Netflix specials about PC culture lmao. Our comedians are probably the most unbearable brand of that in the entire world
@@Hipoptrofobia Oh, por Dios. Yo también, chamo. ¿De qué parte eres? ¿Hablas de Led Varela? No lo he visto. Me agradan son George Harris y en especial Joanna Hausmann.
¿y qué es "cultura pc"?
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ jajaja que casualidad. No es sólo Led, hay varios que andan en ese tema todo el día en twitter con la vaina de "la generación de cristal"
going into the being beautiful thing, look at Danai Gurira, fandom treated her like shit in the Walking Death claiming she looked awful but then in Black Panther and literally _anything_ else I have seen her she is always breath takingly beautiful. Same thing with actresses like Viola Davis.
The fact so many of the productions they work on have no idea how to style dark skinned people really shows and how often dark skinned actresses don't get to be the glamorous ones in shows and movies is geting ridiculous.
I don't watch the Walking Dead, but I do know that it takes place in an apocalyptic zombie wasteland... so complaining that *any* character doesn't look "good" is already kinda messed up
It's about this world's obsession with eurocentric beauty standards and the demonization of everything that is dark-skinned.
maybe eurocentric people just look better.
@@moonie1825 maybe your comment is just ignorant 🤷🏾♂️
@@Frimzeey Think about, is it not a possibility?
@@moonie1825 think about it, is not a possibility of simple racism and racial biasies?
@@Frimzeey Of course that is a possibility however I believe no one (outside of maybe neo nazi's or white supremacist) has ever argued that perhaps one group has more visually appealing features than another. I can understand how features like lighter coloured hair and eyes can easily be seen as more visually appealing, so this along with softer skin and silky hair may very well allow eurocentric people to at least on average be deemed more attractive than contemporaries. And since human beings are obsessed with beauty a large portion of the world is obsessed with eurocentric features.
I really hope they give storm the black panther treatment in the mcu. Give her a fro, or some braids even some Bantu knots, just anything other then straight pls. Storm is an African QUEEN let her look like one
You do know Storm is American right? Her parents were living in Harlem when she was born. Her father was American and her mother Kenyan.
black sleep I want her to have free flowing hair. Textured though
She has radiation damage, that happened to make her blue eyes and the white hair, might have bleached her skin pigmentation too? And straightened her hair .... I just think her coloring was fun to draw and spectacular.
Dirgni Flesuoh her hair is actually inherited on her mother’s side. It’s a family trait. As well as her eyes. Nothing to do with her mutation at all. I think she just needs long 4 type hair worn in various styles. It’s an adaptation. Give the same silhouette with more textured hair. Not that difficult.
Bond James Ok, I have not read that version.
Anyway, "African" can be almost any genetics, the greatest genetic diversity is found in Africa.
(I am reading "Children of Virtue and Vengeance" and I wonder if Ororo inspired the look of the Maji?)
Anyway, turning her into a platinum blond pinkwhitebeige is to make her bland.
About Afro-Latin@s: It is such a huge thing that gets overlooked even in Latin America itself. Its a big deal which country an Afro-Latino is from. Afro-Brazilian culture (mayoralty black country, white minority in power) differs from something like Afro-Peruvian (minority black, minority white, majority brown, lots of mixed race) or Afro-Chilean (minority black, majority white-Spanish) or Afro-Argentinian(majority white-Italian, minority black, minority brown). And all of this is without even getting into Asian-Latino community which itself can be separated into Japanese, Korean and Chinese-descendant cultures and is also an important part of modern Latin America culture. There are so many key details to the identities of people that get overlooked by european and american writers. Thank you for making this video!
Add to the mix (at least in Chile and Argentina for what I know) a) that we were practically teach to mock and lock dow our own native people, who until today are fighting for themselves and when they do, they are considered Terrorists b) in the near past the estate decide To bring a lot of European to "inhabited" areas to get a better race (and took out lands from Natives and even "enslaved" them or erased them from humanity) and later add to the mix literal nazis who where gifted the land c) they literally Hunt people (natives) put them on museums or hunters where paid depending on the parts of the bodies of indigenous people because it was and exotic item.
I didn't even know that here (chile) there was an Afro-descendant Community for a long time. Julius popper is the name of a band and just many years before I discovered who that guy was and what he do. Non of that I learn in school.
@@lesliecordova7394 Oof I really don’t like Argentina man. They are so colourist like wtfff! No offence if you are from their tho
@@unfazedjae2645 nop, from Chile(south), but sadly I don't think we are that much different, there are differences, but I can only give my subjective point of view. Coulorisim is still a think here, even if we like it or not.
I’m Argentinian, we may be “whiter” than other countries but we’re majority mixed, and outside of Buenos Aires in particular it’s way more common to be yellow or brown. My city is less than 1% white, and even in the city of Buenos Aires paying attention to people I notice that it’s not super white unless you’re in a wealthier neighborhood. Sit in public transportation, look around, and ask yourself how many are actually white.
I’m yellow myself, I do have racial privilege because people don’t scrutinize me based on my looks or the color of my skin, but I’m not white passing at all, even though my dad is white. I don’t have the same kind of privilege that an actual white person has, and Argie media never puts people that look remotely like me or my friends on main roles.
I’m aware it’s so much harder for people who are darker or have native phenotypes, but my point is that media is extremely biased towards whiter people and it’s insane that most people learned to accept this erasure as normal. And unless we expand our definition of whiteness to include people like me, who would definitely be discriminated against in actual white countries, we are in fact not a majority white country.
This is a really important conversation and I'm glad you're having it. Also you look absolutely stunning!
I'm glad this is being addressed. When I first read the director's comments, I thought that was incredibly insensitive, and just further perpetuates colorism in Hollywood. I haven't read Marvel comics for quite some time, but it's just as bad that in comics these trends are sticking around.
seems like you missed the whole Spiderman being black now and they tried to turn Iron Man into a black teenage girl at some point. And check out a few Ms Marvel comics... Ms Marvel is looking a bit more middle eastern these days. Oh and Thor was a woman for a hot minute too.
Miles Morales, Riri and Kamala Khan are all completely separate characters. Nobody was “turned” into anything they literally just created new characters.
@@TheMindofRa all of those people are separate characters. What's your point
This is an important conversation. Also Alfred Enoch would have been a much better casting for Sunspot as he is actually half afro-brazillian and half white like the character and mid to darker skinned. Lived experience is important in casting.
Exactly!!
He was the actor most brazillians were expecting to get the role tbh.
Lived experience certainly could play a role in an actor's performance, but ultimately, the important part shouldnt be what ethnicity they are, but rather wether they are able to look and act the part of the character they are supposed to play as.
Actors' jobs involves pretending and mimicking, so how close they are to being the real thing in reality isn't as important as to what extent they can act the part on set.
Zetto Vii I’m pretty sure Alfred would kill the role. He’s a good actor. Plus sunspot as a character isn’t really all that complex
😃 I was literally just saying this as I discussed this video with someone. Alfred's own lineage is fairly close to Roberto's (it's just that _his_ white parent is English and not Brazilian) and he'd be a pretty good example of what Sunspot would look like in the real world, based on how the character was originally drawn.
I loved everything you had to say in this video and I especially adored your tribute to Chadwick Boseman. Black Panther was such an important film for me and my community. My mom, someone who couldn't care less about superheros, went to see it. Chadwick was at the heart of an important moment in culture across the globe and here in Africa and I hope his legacy lives on.
Someone tried to tell me storm hair is white because magical characters have white hair but I asked them why does her hair have to be straight?
I really liked the addition of some more editing and condensing to your usual format, I'm sure it was a lot of work but I think it was worth it!
Thank you! That means a lot. I did things a little bit differently in the editor booth this time and I think it made the video more fun and more engaging!
@@Princess_Weekes Agreed! I've been sharing your videos to my friends!! Let's get your numbers up!!! 😁
For the Talia al-ghul/ Damian Wayne thing Joelle Jones is an artist that has always drawn them distinctly not white
Karl Kershel also drew him nonwhite in Gotham Academy
True. Overall both characters look like they've both gotten whiter over the years on tv. I'm editing my prior comment - it looks like there's now a solid effort on preserving their heritage in the comics (by some people at least like Patrick Gleason). Although the new book coming out "Super Sons" by Ridley Pearson chooses to have him be pale with light brown hair & eyes? Now those features can be found in Asia but I don't understand the reasoning behind changing his looks like that. Also they're giving him the very Anglo-Saxon nickname "Ian." And comic readers will know how formal/anti-nickname Damian is. If anyone has read the book, let me know how that turns out.
There’s a link between the writer/artists that ignore his heritage and those that write him as a bad person
A white woman is one of the biggest actresses in South Indian cinema and she's usually playing a character that's supposed to be South Indian.
It's infuriated me for so long
Did you notice many of the models are lightskinned and arent even indian. There is a vice documentary i beleive. "Fair skin" is a myth. Dark is beautiful
@@TheRabbitHiro Vestiges of colonial standards I think. I have never seen a dark skinned woman with typical Tamil features in a significant role. It feels very rare
@@siddharthkrishna8463 really?! What is her name?
As a south Indian myself, I'm kinda curious who you're referring to, cause none come to my mind. (Note: I don't watch a lotta movies so that could be why)
Question, are you talking about Katrina Kaif?
First, phenotypes are so overlooked and glossed over in this conversation. I loved the focus on that and not just skin tones. Second, actors like Chadwick and films like black panther working for our people being portrayed with dignity and normalizing that standard is so fulfilling and moving and I'm so gracious that you use this channel to express that so clearly and straightforwardly..subscribed queen. Go off
As a black Brazilian, I can confirm that you nailed Brazil's problematic race issues.
I'm horrified by that pic of Storm.
Ikr the new art for her looks like a deeply tanned Barbie. I'm an 80s kid when she at least looked mostly black. So bad seeing her look these days.
I didn't even realize it was her.
I don't follow comics now, but loved X Men as a kid. And when I saw the thumbnail for this video I said out loud: "oh, WHAT the fuck?"
@@vikthya1711 Same. I miss her Mohawk days personally. I took one look at that pic and I was like hell no! Reminded me of a time in a costume shop and I saw a Storm costume for sale. This picture on the front had a white model and I was like, how unbelievably blind are these people? 🙁
Right? A lot of people clapped back even in the white community
Yes, we need more black people spreading the word on colorism!!!
Also, nice hairdo! My mother wears her stuff like this too, love the style, and want to get it myself at some point.
@I Am Groot I'm sure black men have issues with colorism too it's not just black women.
100% ON THE AMERICA CHVEZ POINT! I was SO frustrated, disappointed, and enraged when I was reading volumn one of America's story and they straight up did a full page splash of young America in front of all of the flags of central and South America??? And they gave her the dialogue of "I went wherever little brown girls were loved" as if that was enough to explain why she didn't identify with one single LatinX culture. Like hello??? It is not a monolith of culture and if she DID have a community like they were insinuating for flavor points then that community would be very concerned about a young girl traveling alone through all of South America!! I was so angry. Also, and this might be a spicier opinion point, but I didn't know the character well until I read volume one, and I didn't know she was supposed to be an alien too. I came into the experience thinking she was LatinX and Gay, but instead she's not even a Terran human, and so it felt like they made a brown character and then slapped on an amorphous "brown culture" for brownie points in order to cater to performative activism without ACTUALLY grounding her character in a cultural identity. If you want to make her brown and an alien, that's fine! But don't make her an alien and LatinX cause THAT has a WHOLE lot of dangerous connotations to it that you have to be careful about, and Marvel just didn't care. UGH!
My god all of this. So many people seemed to LOVE that solo series, I read a lot of those reviews, and it’s such a MESS. The writers seemed to be so dead set on putting as many “Latinxisms” in their comic (“holy Selena!” Etc) it was so upsetting and tiring but then, THEN they have her parents be from planet “Fuertachona” (“planet strong as fuck” basically”) this like you said, is absolute garbage it plays into the homogenization of Latinx culture that is SO prevalent in our society and touted as progressive??!? Hello!!??? What does that say about Latinidad?? How is she a Latina when her people have NO historical ties to the American continent, to the struggles and cultures there?? They want to keep her as this ambiguous “Latina” in order to gain brownie points for feeding into neoliberal bs??? (Especially when her original creators went on to create another series where the main hero is a Puerto Rican woman???!! Who looks real similar hmmm THERES no way to guess what their original plans for her were I guess!)
These companies want to take a lot of the symbolism and iconography and trauma and lay over their characters and stories like an onion skin. There on the surface, enough so people notice but like she mentioned with Miles, not actually engage with a lot of that!
America is an alien. She’s not latina.
Cult of Altus according to canon she’s a Latina alien 😃 it’s dumb
THANK YOU SO MUCH! The entire concept of America Chavez is so offensive because it reduces Latinidad to a aesthetic and not an actual living breathing culture with a rich history. Latinidad is about being born in or having a family history that ties back to the real earthly continent of Latin America and without that you are not a real latine, no matter how many outdated stereotypes you embody.
Not only everything was handled poorly but also the story itself is so weak and unispired for such a bold character... felt like someone gave a America+Steven Universe moodboard as inspiration to a 15yo write it on whatpadd.
I love went artists like Travis Moore and Joelle Jones draw characters with ethnic features. But most artists never do, DC is a whole mess right now.
Love your video. To address some additional problems with Sunspot, in the beginning the character used Spanish expressions, not Portuguese. Probably the authors think all Latin America is the same, and we all talk Spanish.
And, yes, the choice about the etnicity of the character says all about the director.
Using Spanish instead of Portuguese shows just how much thought and care they put on this
Speaking of Ra's al Ghul, I was ecstatic when they had Alexander Siddig play him in Gotham, and now I will accept nothing less.
@@extrashotofespresso_ I don't think she, and I would also like to know her opinion, especially on that awful final season
YES!!
I remember rolling my eyes all the way back in my head when Arrow cast some Australian stunt man type as al Ghul.
@@josephkolar3443 same man, same
As someone who didn't know anything at all about Ra's (or anything Batman related) I was always very confused when I started reading comics and seeing him drawn as a white count Dracula dressed in vaguely Asian clothes? It made me think he was the original weeb ™️
So I checked Wikipedia and it says his name is actually Henry Ducard? Wtf, I'm so confused.
Been saying this since day one but if they're not bringing storm into the mcu with anything kinkier than a 3b hairtype I don't want it.
But her hair's straight in the comics always has been
@@jacobhines5583 so what, as long as her hair is white nothing is lost, and having storm with a afro would be cute symbolism (sometimes I see people refer to afros as puffy clouds)
@@Squirreltasticqueen Yeah, this is the sort of adjustment away from the comics that would be additive, like Domino in Deadpool. White braids would be absolutely stunning too.
@@Squirreltasticqueen I wanted like the comics I don't care who doesn't like it
@@tigerlilylynn long white micro braids would be a wave 🌊🌊 would love to see that!!
Yup...I collected New Mutants wayyyyy back in the day and was looking for sunspot...I was like what the hell? And Danielle didn't look Native American....and before any body come for me I realize native Americans come in ALLLLLL shades like black people....but just makes you wonder why is it everyone that is portrayed white Native? ....just makes me wonder...
Blu Hunt actually is Native American though.
Karl-Kristoffer Johnsson barely
@@KarlKristofferJohnsson I've never been clear on if Natives consider her Native or not. Regardless, this isn't a role that's appropriate for a white-passing person like her to play. I'm Black but that doesn't mean I should be cast as the next T'Challa.
Re: Storm. When the movie first came out, Iman was right there! Angela Bassett was right there!
To be fair, Iman would have probably been busy during the filming of the First X Men film being heavily pregnant with David Bowie's daughter.
Talia and Daimien are the perfect example of the writers “ whitening “ the characters exactly when they start being seen as empathetic figures by the audience. It’s fucked up, Ras Al Gul can be a middle eastern stereotype but because they are Batman’s love interest and son, Talia and Damien get racebended
Well, having particularly pale skin is probably something to be envied a lot, not just in corporate AF Bollywood tv serials and Mexican telenovelas, but also in super mainstream Shōnen mangas like One Piece.
In general I’m just sick in and tired of people in these comics, movies, shows, games, etc. picking and choosing what is relevant or important when continuing on or adapting characters who already existed and already looked a certain way and served certain functions. I’m glad you mentioned multiple characters and talked about DC AND Marvel because this isn’t just a Marvel or DC issue.
I too also agree that it’s important that we in the Diaspora not shit on each other or think any of us better than the other. We have different aspects to our respective cultures, but share one race as Black people and at the end of the day we would be so much better off if we worked together more, embraced our differences, reveled in our similarities and overlaps, and not fought. Us fighting is what some people want and relish, we shouldn’t give that to them.
Btw, you looked absolutely stunning, as always. 💗💗💗
i hate when shows bring up when a character is latinx but don't do anything about it. an example who be how in the show victorious (which has so many issues with race) the light skin main character mentioned she was half latina and never brought it up again. so that made me think she was white the rest of the show's run. they never mentioned anything about her culture and heritage.
Aye Harriyanna! I loved your all grown up vid. And I definitely agree with what you are saying here.
That is bad?
How about in Avatar the last airbender, show without a single white person in it (all nations being based either on inuit buddhist chinesse and japanise cultures) had almost entirely white cast in a movie
@@JM-mh1pp they're both bad. Tori being Latina was only used in 2 episodes where she translated random things sikowitz was saying during class. Hell, her dad being a cop was referenced more. While shows like wizards in wizards of Waverly place at least wove Alex's heritage into the plot. There was a whole episode where she was tryna learn Spanish from her mom
@@JM-mh1pp Except for the villains who were 99% darker skin Indians. M. Night claims he didn't intend for the races to be what they were but how you "accidentally" 👀 cast the Fire Nation like that AND claim you wanted accuracy for the pronunciation YET to do this pretended all the nations were Japanese completely erasing the rest of Asia. It's a mess.
@@JM-mh1pp
Well, even when Avatar The Last Airbender technically didnt have any western/europian based people, there were quite a few who were light skinned, while the world is alien enough compared to our modern one that the average person wouldnt even think about race unless you were specifically set out to look it up.
I personally dont think that an actors race should be an issue, so long as they look like the character they representing (which admittedly, was kinda the case for a few chars in the movie).
I was livid when I realized Ms. Braga was playing Dr. Reyes whose one of my fav obscure X-Men characters and Sunspot too both are clearly meant to be Afro Latinx and there are a multitude of Afro Latinx Actors/actresses that couldve portrayed both of them i.e. Rome Flynn who looks just like What Roberto would've actually looked like and Yaya DaCosta who would've bodied the role of Dr. Reyes
I really wish people would stop creating a brazilian character that's just an excuse for having a white charatcer and pretend that they are mixed because they are brazilian and therefore, the diversity check box is filled. I'm brazilian and race is such a really complex topic here and it is annoying, to say the least, to see a light skinned kinda latinx character described as brazilian because it's an easy diversity route for comics and films.
As a British white kid I assumed movie Storm was Native American. Great to hear more about who she actually is
Thank you for speaking on the ethnic diversity of Latam. How a hispanic sounding surname is not enough especially for countries like Cuba, Mexico, Panama, Guatemala, etc who were purposefully screwed over by the US in post colonial times. Even for us white latinos its insulting to remove that latin tradition and customs just because we are white. It feels like a responsibility to speak on racism because we privilege from it, even though our passports or even country names are accepted/taught worldwide.
thank you for talking about this. i was vaguely aware of colorism in casting, but didn't realize that these movies were deviating so hard from the comics (and that the *comics* were deviating so hard from the comics, wow! but i don't really read comics...)
(also wanted to say i really liked the graphics in this one! the text can be a little difficult to read, though, especially the red. if you're able to add contrasting outline colors to text, would definitely recommend that!)
Noted and thank you!
This is amazing👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 You can clearly tell you did your research and went in depth. So many facts were spoken and I love your passion for it. I only knew about Storm and not the rest but I’m still shocked. I don’t understand why our features can’t be consistent like the rest of the white people💁🏾♀️💁🏾♀️. It just screams racism every time something is changed. Accurate Representation is so freaking important and I hate that people don’t take it seriously.
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An excellent video about an important issue in comics. That being said. Storm was original intended to look like a mixture of physical traits from throughout humanity. The original description was that she had "the rarest traits." Or at least what a white writer considered the rarest traits in the late seventies. Somewhere it gets stated that she is supposed to represent some future version of humanity where ethnicities have blended together. However I don't think any of this has been mentioned in at least a decade.
It’s really not unreasonable to ask that you keep a character “on model”. At the very least establishing a character's skin tone is something that can easily be done. If DC can establish the exact grey of Batman's costume, then it shouldn't be so hard to instruct a colorist on someone's skin tone. There's a way characters are drawn and when drawn with the correct features everyone knows that character. You'll never mistake Clark Kent for anyone else when he's drawn in a crowd scene. And before people start on "artistic choices" and "freedom of artistic interpretation" remember when Jack "The King" Kirby drew Superman they pasted a Curt Swan Superman head on the head Kirby drew. It was that important for the brand and it's that important for people represented by a character to get it right. After all the first way that character was drawn was what made a person buy that book.
I really enjoyed this! Every one of your video makes me realize there is so much that I never thought about. A perspective like yours is something I definitely needed. Thanks!
My friend plays one of those Marvel fighting mobile games (I can’t remember the name of it) and he sent me a screenshot of Storm complaining about how she looked like a tan white woman. Why they gotta do Storm like that 😫
Marvel Future Fight. Yeah, definitely one of the more egregious cases of it.
I once read an interview in which designer said that Storm has blue eyes to reflect the sky and white hair to look like snow, thus making her kind of weather avatar.
The irony of getting "Colgate optic white" ads on this video... youtube wtf
"We wanted a guy who looked like he had a silver spoon all his life"
Me:"Soooo.....there aren't rich people with melanin? Ok."
i literally had no idea Damien wayne was of arab decent, literally he is drawn as a white kid and as an outside who doesn't read dc comics this is YIKES.
There was a time during the DCYou era that had Damien drawn with Arab features. But ever since they had him join the teen titans this was thrown out of the window. Except in Tomasi written works. So I’m guessing he was the one, rightfully, pushing it
I thought he was only a quarter arab because Talia is often depicted as pretty damn white. Ra's might not even be arabic his name Ra's al Ghul is more a title than a proper name. So its entirely possible that he is white as well or at least mixed. So a kid who is 3/4th white depicting as white is not unheard of.
@@almightykue3914 That's what I believe so I'm not as infuriated with Damian's color or Talia's as I am with others. I would prefer them to be more tan and Arab, but it's fine. That's just me.
@@cray-seacoral I'm working off memory here but when Damian was first being introduced, he and Talia were definitely Not White and he had green/hazel eyes. As time progressed he just kept being whitewashed in various media and has been set up to become a villain or at least his character has been regressed badly. The last time I saw Talia not whitewashed was in Batman:The Brave and the Bold, a damn cartooon and it was very brief. Also don't quote me on this, but Ras is supposed to be originally from a Chinese nomadic tribe but maybe mixed with Arab? But who really knows, DC lately has been a mess imo.
@@redonyx5428 I understand. If they're definitely supposed to be non-white then they should be. But if it's not confirmed then well... I don't know what to say. The uncertainty of it makes the question very grey.
Speaking as a white passing afro brazilian, yeah race as a topic here is a mess
This white is right dialogue has got to stop. Like please?
Mixed-race Brazilian here, kinda late but I just now discovered this video.
I think you portrayed our country's situation pretty well! Honestly, it's such a weird ass take, the way the director wanted to portray us. Hell, he could very easily have had the character *be* a rich privileged kid who is still a POC and endures racism because surprise, there are rather well-off POC here, but even being rich doesn't mean you're immune from systemic racism. There are so many absolutely excelent mixed and afro-brazilian actors too, it's just baffling that he picked the one white guy who came from one of the most privileged backgrounds possible. Almost as if he thinks "representing positively" necessarily means white... 🤔
I remember watching TDKR in theaters and even though I knew next to nothing of comics I laughed my ass off when Marion Cotillard said she was Talia al Ghul, like no honey you aren't 🤣
Loved this video but can I do one correction:
Language: Arabic
People: Arab people
Thank you
It might work both. Language: English. People: English, British.
@@TiberiusStJudge I know about English and that why the people are making mistakes but this one different. I am speaking as an Arab who is also a British citizen. So yeah, you could say I have a little expertise in this area.😁
@@TiberiusStJudge It doesn't it here. See www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Arabic
@ThisIsMyRealName Linguistics is weird and language always changing. "Colored People" used to be the norm a few decades ago, now it's racist. "People of Color" is totally fine in 2020 Though. In 2040 I bet it won't be.
@@Ray03595 The term "people of color" has been popularized recently, but it was invented by black people and used as early as the 1960s & 70s. Many asked to be called "citizens of color", "women of color", etc. rather than "colored people".
"Colored people" was a reclaimed term for Black people after the British first used it as derogatory.
Language does change, but the term "POC" likely won't. It hasn't yet.
www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/03/30/295931070/the-journey-from-colored-to-minorities-to-people-of-color
I'm brazilian and you said everything right! Thank you, seriously. I love your content, you always do the research and speak your opinion and the facts so well explained! For real, you are awesome. Im trying to learn more and understand more about colorism and all the problems involving the representation of people of color in todays media. Your videos are art and super helpful
ps: I loved your makeup and hair, like wow!
This hair!!! This beat!!! You're killing it in this vid
Me, as a light-skinned Brazilian, I'm offended
Also, even DRACULA wants to date Storm
And Doctor Doom
The thumbnail alone hurts me a lot. Storm (and specifically Punk storm) is my favorite iteration in the comics
So much to unpack on this video, thank you so much. I am an artist even though I am Cuban and from the Caribbean, I do have those tendencies in my art. One part of it if the anime aesthetic but the other is just racial biasses. I have been working on becoming more Antiracist. I look to people like you for guidance. Thank you! ✊🏿✊🏾✊🏽✊🏼✊🏻
Yes on everything about Conner Hawke, I was so pissed what they did to him. Great video and beautiful ending.
Gotta say, I find dark-skinned women to be extremely beautiful. We should be celebrating them, not erasing them.
Girl, im brazilian and i can say with certain that i never saw someone non brazilian that know so much about us. You are absolutely right. Great video by the way.
it's crazy. growing up, i was colorist towards others and myself, not even knowing why. i used to pride myself on how light i used to be before my melanin kicked in and "ruined" me. i remember calling one of my classmates in elementary a burnt biscuit (i apologized after i realized i made him upset, but it still makes me sad i did that in the first place. things like that stick with us for a long time). i had all these issues about being a brown person, and im still getting over that and learning to accept myself. it's so very important to have representation- PROPER representation! I dont want a poc slapped on and u call it a day. Like you said about miles' mom, we need some specifics. i want some haitian girl rep in media for once 😪 i want my girls to have some braids and not always have their hair either straightened or natural (not that there's another wrong with either, but those arent the only styles we do! show some protective hairstyles p l e a s e). im just sad. this stuff effects people so much and they dont care. it's not their problem so they dont care. i can only do so much to try to write or draw my own rep
This is so deep . Even for it to be 2020 . You have a new follower in me . Will be sharing .
Omg this made me think about how the recent street fighter games white washed their Black Brazilian character Sean and introduced his sister whos so lightskin they don't even look related
I always enjoy learning from your perspective especially on issues like colorism! Also you look really cute 🥰
im coming back to this video 6 months later and ... they did the same thing with the america chavez casting 😐. whats worse is i got into argument with folks who said america wasn't arfo latina when she was literally drawn with afro puffs as a child in a flashback scene
It bugs me when all the Robins are together and just look like russian nesting dolls of Bruce. Dick is canonically Romani and he is never drawn like that.
Thought you'd reference Ron Wimberly's "Lighten Up" for the Nib. It's specifically about those issues from the perspective of a black colourist at one of the big two.
I just started the video and I had to pause bc the guy explicitly says that a better brazilian is a white/light-skinned brazilian ksksk do people pay attention to what they say at all?
OMG that guy has got to stop digging that hole
Diggin it with two shovels
@@luthientinuviel3883 there's a limited number of reasons someone asks why one went lighter skinned on a casting choice. There are even fewer good answers. This man did not choose wisely.
This video is important and tackles the issue of colorist in comics and cinema perfectly. I always hated the casting of Halle Berry. Back then I realllyyy wanted Grace Jones to play her. I always saw her as the perfect storm. Her delivery would have been something else. Imagine her calling on her ancestors to guide her before she “storms” the place out!! What we got was very lack luster. And don’t get me started on what they did to Darwin. The potential was there but they kept taking it away by diminishing everything that made that character who they are and that includes their skin tone and features. Great video!
"Everyone wants to date Storm"
Pretty sure Doom hit on her once albeit in a mean/racist way since he's, well, a bad person
Doom wanted her and she attracted to him also. There also Forge who a Native American.