Gigabyte RTX 3070 Smoked - Is it Fixable ?
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Awesome, thanks NRF!
You are a hero
At the end I can't see the psu cables connected to the connectors on the backplate. Maybe you overlooked this after connecting the backplate with the short extension power cable, tricking yourself into thinking that was the psu, happens to the best of us
Agreed, it caught my eyes as well.
What... I think you're right. I just watched the unedited version and it looks like I did not plug in the power cables to the card. I'll update you again tomorrow.
wait lol
I was just scrolling down to say the PSU cables aren't connected to the extension he just plugged in lol
Hes human after all😅
9:06 you forgot to plug in the 12V power cables
Hey man, check R215 next to GS9216, it should be a 0 ohm resistor, but i bet its blowed out. Most of the time if a GS9216 dies it burns out the 0 ohm resistor next to it on the 12V input rail.
Also yes, plug them power cables in as it mentioned below by some good-eyed mate :D
Your story about the locksmith reminded me of this story, Author unknown.
The Consultant Engineer
There was an engineer who had an exceptional gift for fixing all mechanical things. After serving his company loyally for over 30 years, he happily retired. Several years later his company contacted him regarding a seemingly impossible problem they were having with one of their multi-million dollar machines. They had tried everything and everyone else to get the machine fixed, but to no avail. In desperation, they called on the retired engineer who had solved so many of their problems in the past.
The engineer reluctantly took the challenge. He spent a day studying the huge machine. At the end of the day he marked a small X in chalk on a particular component of the machine and proudly stated, 'This is where your problem is!' The part was replaced and the machine worked perfectly again.
The company received a bill for $50,000 from the engineer for his services. They demanded an itemized accounting of his charges. The engineer responded briefly:
One chalk mark .. ..... ..... $1
Knowing where to put it ..... $49,999
Great story...
excellent
No way a previous Overclock would cause a failure like this. The card would crash or shutdown if anything at first. Just another case of poor quality IC manufacturing. Seems like there has been some issues with moisture and poor quality ingredients in the last 2 years when it comes to making passive and active components.
True. All my gpus that oc always crashed and restarted if the current settings didn’t work. I have an msi rx 5600 xt that would crash on me because the dang thing turn its fans on automatically when the temperature rose. I would get coloured dots on my screen and then my computer would crash. I had to use a fan control speed software to manually turn the fans on.
Wrong. Literally thousands of these cards get pumped out and sold and you only hear about the few that popped we dont hear about all the nice working cards of course, sound like a normal failure rate to me.
You also have to remember the amout of people that pair these high performing cards with $20 psu's
overclocks also don't transfer so easily from one card to another, unless it is the same model which uses the same software. In any way even if, the cards have a power limit (which you can set and on hardware level) and the Gigabyte Software (AORUS Engine) is foolproof the most you can cause is a system crash and be back to where you startet, no non-invasive overclock can cook a board component like that. Most likely as you said a poor quality component
What? Overclocking destroys GPU's. Especially if the card has a low air flow fan. The card cannot dissipate the additional heat.
Cards crash during overclocking because the current being supplied to the GPU is insufficient. The GPU stalls.
That card uses smart power stages instead of MOSFETs. Each has it's own built in current monitor. It design to protect the GPU. They are designed to fail in a manner that does not bridge the 12v to the GPU.
The component did it's job.
thats what we get for outsourcing into "cheap" countries like china and taiwan, that focus on quantity instead of quality.
true. people try to negotiate the price of the service by telling you "but the job was easy". i wanna reply them "then do it yourself, buy soldering iron, soldering station, flux, multi-tester, watch YT tutorial or better yet pay for a course in electronics, if u do manage to find the problem, search and buy the component or parts and wait it out for days to arrive"
It always reminds me of those famous words: 'If I do a job in 30 minutes, it's because I spent 10 years learning how to do that in 30 minutes. You owe me for the years, not the minutes.' 🙂
Your overclocking (oc) that you had on your old graphics card cannot destroy your new card! The only things that can happen is that the PC shuts down or freezes the computer, after a restart everything works again. However, if you continue to use your old oc, the computer will freeze again.
You can also look at the opposite side of the locksmith example, say the locksmiths job was more difficult than he quoted and it took 1 or 2 days to do the job, the customer is not going to say please charge me more because the job was worse than we expected, they will still pay just the original quoted amount
Love the soldering skills. If thats a DC/DC Converter chip, I would look online for the Pin Out and locate the Vcc Pin to see if there is a short or a source pin going to ground to see if there is an open resistor.
I happen to be an automotive locksmith. Whenever I have a cash call on a lockout I ask the customer " I know you think this expensive so I can pretend it's really hard and take a long time to open your car or I can open it in 10 seconds. tell me which you prefer" Never had one to tell me to take longer. When they ask for a discount I always say sure but ask them to do me one favor. Call my bank and ask whatever amount they wanted discounted to see if the bank will deduct that off my mortgage and if the bank agrees I will give them a discount. Nobody ever got a discount.
When I first started and didn't know any better I would barter with people. Either do something at no charge or just charge my cost for a favor or service for me in the future. NEVER ONCE did any of those "favors" ever come to fruition. I stopped that nonsense a long time ago. I tell them you pay my price and if and when I need you I will be happy to pay your price.
i don't know why but i love watching your videos, i love electronics and tech repairs but still it's not the reason i keep watching your videos although u do a better than factory job .. keep up the good and honest work , much love
External power cable unpluged to the card power extension connectors will definetly make the pc to deliver those sweet 6 BEEPS ! Have a rest , holiday , take care of yourself , we are not machines .
When a chip fails like this, chances are the cause is not the chip itself but an event that caused the chip to blow.
It's the opposite. The chip itself fails. Power stages are built to fail-safe. They contain their own Over current and over voltage monitoring circuitry.
It destroys itself in an effort not to bridge the 12v directly to the GPU.
can a blackout cause this kind of damage ?
@@chocho6766 If your computer has no protection obviously yes.
@@cutterbacon is a good psu enough ? It said anti surge or something
@seephor. It's called overlclocking or a bad or not powerful enough PSU.
To shield sensitive components from hot air I'm using ducting aluminum tape. It's easy to place as it is sticks to the board. Amazingly the glue withstands the heat and it's easy to remove after the job is done. On top it's ultra-cheap. It will also give protection against blowing components.
@@graealex yes, its still degrade after times. But because the nature of it very reflective it stands more on external environment better tham most tapes
Alex uses aluminum tapes as well.
If you're in a budget you can also use normal aluminum foil. Just fold it a couple of times and stick it to the component using normal tape.
Paid a locksmith $250 for a simple lockout, watched him fumble with it 10-20 minutes, before telling me he had to drill it. I said no, and he managed to pry the door open. He never even tried to pick or bump the lock. That $250 wasn't wasted; he did get me back into my apartment but with zero finesse or skill. That whole experience led me to keep a spare key in my shoe and to learn to pick locks. I would've been happy to pay a pro $250 to pop the door open in 30 seconds. I value expertise but this was just disappointing.
The hide of the woman to even think to complain. She paid a highly skilled expert who came in the night, when he could've been with his family, AND in the pouring rain to help someone in distress. Turns out the only distress she suffered was seeing him take her $175 in 30 seconds.
She should've kissed his feet and given him another $100.
Some people are just not worth helping. Perhaps she would've preferred to keep her $175 and sit outside her house in the dark and in the pouring rain !!
I saw a discolored cap close to the chip
You replaced… on the other side of the Aluminum Cap. One was tan colored, and the other a brown color. Neither were black.
In case anyone is wondering, the overclocking program didn't apply settings from the old card. They would be seperated by DevID.
The OC settings wouldnt have effected the new card, it would have simply crashed. They have power protection ect.
love the vids Alex , im not a repair guy but i find your vidoes facinating and educational and relaxing and my i phone died a few days ago and got a new screen and parts for about 20 uk pounds and had a go and repairing . and it worked . kinda pleased with myself although not what youd think technical or anything but a huge sense of personal satisfaction to do it . got me thinking now about learning to slder etc . if nothing else be a nice skill to learn just for myself
funny too im a lock dude and have been there too . oh its simple to pick or bypass a lock .. unless you dont know and no experience and the correct tools ... like you said many times paying for experience and the know how .
No measures, no power cable connections, true efficiency. Haha, I'm just kidding, happens to the best of us. Keep up the killer content.
NorthRidge Fix - Saving the world from complaints!
The locksmith should have told the woman, you are not paying me for the 30 seconds it has taken me to open your door. You are paying me for the years and years of experience it's taken me to be able to open your door in 30 seconds.
it looks like you forgot to connect both of the power cables
I like your reference to a locksmith. Customer paid $175 for 30secs of work, but it's backed by years of experience. When you engaged someone to perform a task, you paid for his/her experience, competency and attitude as well, not just for the time taken to complete the task.
OC settings won't transfer unless you're on the same series of GPU.
Software overclocking also won't ever damage an Nvidia GPU.
I have no comment about this repair job, but I must say that I have been soldering for more than 30 years and I am pretty good at it, but you still impress me big-time when I see you solder. Maybe you could teach a night class for people who want to learn how to solder properly and how to select the correct materials (flux, solder, etc.) for each job!!!! 😊😊
You are an expert Sir so please suggest what fault in this case Gigabyte made with the PCB layout that made this heating problem occur and how to counter it.
Remember you never pay for the fix, you pay for the tears of experience that allows the person to fix the problem 👌
Back when I did residential computer repair (like break / fix stuff... not managed business service contracts or anything) I'd always get folks who would go "WHAT?!?!? $100!!?? But you were here like 5 min. All you did was press a few buttons".
I quickly remind them. Yes. But I know which buttons to press. And I know when to press them. You aren't paying me for the 5 min it spent to fix the issue. Your paying me for the years it's taken me to build the skills necessary to fix the issue.
A true man of the people, always saving the world from complaints, especially from California.
I found another similar chip datasheet pins look like similar, but nut sure, it is GS9238. first check the 8-9 for Vin, 7 for Ain, 21 for VCC, and 22 for Vin (again), then if those voltages OK, check pin 2 for EN signal,(may be 3,3 V) then pin 6 for TON which is connected to Vin voltage rail via a resistor, and check the resistor is good(R210 on video), you may check the R215 connected Ain pin(7), if all the voltages OK you must see a PGOOD signal on pin1a and Vout on pins 10-11 and 16-17-18
I guarantee you that chip was a problem, but sadly, its not the only problem. Its worth taking the time to look it over for other obvious failure points and retest. It might be worth checking out whats connected to the traces near that burn spot on the chip
Where I live, there is such mindset, where you can't charge too much if it is a quick job. They never think about why is fast, it is because of knowledge over the years. If you are too quick, they say you are ripping them off, if you are too slow, you are not a good professional. Go figure...
Some people would give an eye for a 3070. If there are people like that, thats just sad.
We were expecting part 2 ❤️❤️❤️ grt job
Alex, I’m a lock picker (only legal) and have many locksmith friends who ref me jobs. Doing this for 10 years I have learned almost no locksmith can pick a lock just because of this reason. Customers always have a problem when you open the door in minutes.
Yeah yeah here in comments everyone its professional to repair electronics. I said before and I will say it again. This guy its real professional. He work for efficiency. People who doesn't understand this they complain for money price.... we had same story wich he said. Handyman fix the door locker for 150 pounds. Not even replaced. Just 2 screws and that's it. I gave him tea and milk. I thank him and that's it. No need guys to jeleos. If you bla bla bla fix your things by yourself... I understand and people who been burned from electronics repairs people. But this its another story and this guy put his name and like to work in transparency. So no hate just understand why even its fail repair he still charge you what you agree. Thanks for your videos. I watch all your videos. I found them very informative, funny,serious and pleasant for watch. No bs no empty words. Just businesses
OC settings can't cook SMDs like that. this is classic overheating, probably from shoving this GPU into an old, unventilated system. the chip is for SMPS, so if it's blown from just 12V this card is probably done for.
In Italy we say "you don't call the plumber to knock on the pipes but because he knows where to knock"
Is it possible that the chip could fix the problem - if less solder was used on the large pads underneath it? I totally love your channel but I often think when solder bulges out of the package when pushed downwards, there's a chance those 2 large pads underneath may join up something on the underside. Please dont take this as an offensive comment - just a suggestion, and that might not be the problem because as we all know - the flux will generally stop bridges like that (but not always).
The flux gives the solder a high surface tension, preventing it from bridging under the chip. Alex has soldered hundreds of chips like this, if not more.
Hi Alex, i was wondering if you use a static electricity armband or similar since you are working with so many electronics? if so, any ones you recommend? Thanks.
2:51 that was hilarious. Thank you for the laugh ♥
check the 0ohm resistors maybe
Is it really safe if there is too much solder on the 2 pads under the chip, won't bridge contacts or anything sometimes? Or does the flux allow you to squeeze all the excess solder out safely?
Overclocking the old graphics card has no effect on the new one, since it is necessary to reinstall the drivers and supporting software.
I won't sacrifice my eyes for a 3070. I already found my poison. It's UV light :D :D
UV light eats / or removes tissue from the cornea. UV light is the basis behind the lasers that do Lasik surgery albeit highly controlled.
@@s96822 exactly! and I love how it tickles after 30-40 minutes :D
I have a complaint. I enjoy this channel way too much.
Exactly the outcome I hoped for after the rant.
love you brother, watch you all the time
"We're going to leave those solder blobs for decoration." I almost spit my drink out. Hah
Hard to believe that an OC could have done this. I've never heard of anyone bricking GPU from software over clocking. The cards BIOS has limits set from factory to prevent users putting in stupid settings. Worst you can do is just crash the PC with bad settings. Unless you're overclocking with BIOS flashing then that is another story.
what you do in the situation of the locksmith - the customer complains the second you open the door in 30sec and the bill is in question - money first, door second - if no money, you just close the door again, simple as that
My brain while watching this video:
It's not gonna be that easy to fix the graphics card.
My brain was right for once again
Love your sense of humor. Make job easy. :)
You have a very logical way of thinking I like your video's very carefully explained.
That chip marked magic is the chip that holds the magic smoke in.
Capacitor will build up pressure inside and yes it will pop.
That chip is the buck for the 1.8v rail.
At 2:50 it almost looks like two caps have blown off - soldering color is different as if it had a component on it.
Let's see the card start with power cables plugged in. but was that PEX buck converter?
I learned that when I got my first decent card, it requires 2sets of power cables to run separately 🤦♂️ we all over see stuff sometimes and we all make mistakes, even if its error number one the most important part power😂 am happy its not just me even though am used to building pcs little mistakes can cost us alot of time 👍👊
Thanks Alex, I played GTA in real life. Now I'm in prison.
Alex Thankyou!
looks like 5 of the 6 pins are connected on the bottom. not sure if the glob you removed also removed that connection.
Hello north ridge. I like your videos. Your good. Jose army veteran
Check buck converter 12 volts out circuit by c248. There's a ROO fuse that needs to be upgraded. Behind board there's a little crack that's too little to repair so they upped the fuse
There 900 volt around the ,buck the circuit. Be careful and good luck
I do wonder though why those cards are not just being RMA'd with the manufacturer and end up on your desk.
Normally there's a reason why a chip failed in such a smoky way, especially if it's a buck convertor. I'd assume it was overloaded, possibly due to a short on the power line it's supplying, or by something else that failed. Also, if a buck converter fails, what can happen is that it can short the internal switching element, and put the input voltage of the buck converter on the output directly. That means half the board could have gotten fried in the process, or at least everything that this chip was supplying. It was probably a good idea to check for shorts after removing the chip.
It's the coils that fail most of the time.
It's getting close to Xmas so silver solder blobs are good decorations
Although I do agree and understand charging what seems like a high fee for a short amount of time, I also agree that it is exploitative.
You pay for knowledge not for time, the times people pay little money and you spending 6 a 8 hours of figuring it out and getting the knowledge, that’s what you are paying for so you don’t have to wait the 6 a 8 hours.
When you tested the card on the motherboard, you did not connect the feed to the card (12 volt cable).
you remind a bit like ben heck... joking while working .. helps keep you sane in this mad world !
8:15 yep. can relate. i do cad drawings. same drawing that average cad designer takes 40min, 3-4hrs for beginners, i can finish it in 10-15mins but i hand to them later after couple of hrs. why? because clients are complaining i charged them too high for a 10min job. many times i've explained to them my skill is the result from thousands of hours of experience. didn't work. they left with sour face.
somewhat dishonest, i take that. but it had to be that way.
real life gta, im enjoying watching ur video, great job sir alex
I've been a locksmith for 26 years and when I open a lock with in 30 seconds and the customers complaints I tell them it took 26 years for me to be able to open your lock in 30 seconds.
This guy is so funny. I love the commentary. Hilarious.
Solder blobs for decorations, Let's save the world from complaints 🤣🤣
i like how this guy thinks ima go out now and bitch slap a cop and run off an giggle as he chases me around
Real Life GTA gives better adrenalin rush. But has negative repercussions.
Good job mate 👍
Can you please make a video on how to fix the glare on the microscope camera?
The next time someone questions the locksmith why he's charging them so much money he should tell them it's a stupid tax.
Don't know why buy i enjoy watching thinks get repaired :D thanks for the video
I have people complain all the time about what I charge. Some people are just like that complain no matter what.
And what we don't wanna hear is 6 bips
**bip bip bip bip bip bip**
**facepalm**
Senior in my industry told me a very similar story but when confronted about the time spent, he said that it's taken him 20-something years to be able to produce a commission like this under 30 minutes. The client apparently didn't feel cheated after that..
idk what u doing all and how.. but i fckin enjoy your vids man, i used to watch them to relax :D
In the mechanical industry we are always being hammered with the "you only spent 20 minute's to find what's wrong with my car so why do I have to pay it's not like you even done anything anyway".....
Oh yeah sure I only spent 2-3 times the amount of your vehicle's value just on tools alone not to mention the years and years worth of experience and education and service manuals and so on. It drives me insane when people just assume you're time and expertise is worth nothing.
Does your scope have stabilization or do you add that in post?
I'm confused of your terms,Measuring parts, Don't you testing parts?Or Testing components?Or Checking?.The term measure is Voltage or the value of the part
Very thought provoking story about the lady in rain.
Have you got a video of it popping? Can you put a link up lease mate, sorry I don't comment more I'm sure your analytics will show u how much I watch your videos and for how long sorry I don't comment more I just enjoy the learning! Many thanks and best wishes to you and your family
Just kidding in style of Mr Tony stark:-
Searching for a needle in haystack is simple you just need a powerful magnet.
This is why I do not overclock, I just buy the components that I know will handle the load for my intended software.
hey! what kind of watch do you wear? it looks awsome
Do you sometimes wear safety glasses for some jobs for Safety? If you do maybe I should also be protecting my eyes when working with the Heat gun?
Not possible the card resets Power Level s while installing it's own drivers after plugging it in for the first time
"The man on the internet told me to do it." - arrested guy probably.
Very nice sir💯
@4:25, what was put on the board to clean it/prepare it?