Was Ancient Greece an Egyptian colony?

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  • Опубликовано: 2 фев 2025

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  • @cosmomusa
    @cosmomusa 2 года назад +22

    it would be good to mention that the genealogical tree of Cadmus starts from Zeus and Io who, transformed into a cow by Hera, wandered all over the then known world to end up in Egypt where she gave birth to Epaphus, the future progenitor of the Danaans. Epaphus married the daughter of the Nile, Memphida, and together they had a daughter, Libya, who mated with Poseidon. Descendants of Epaphus were also Velos, Agenor, Egypt, Danaus, Cadmus, Europe, Lysianassa, Thebes and others. Some sources mention Cassiopi as the wife of Epaphus. The myth of Epaphus, which was widespread in Euboea and Boeotia. From an anthropological point of view, this means the movement of a branch of the Achaeans to Egypt and their return later as Danaans to Greece. Branches of these first movements were Agenor and Cadmus, who in search of their sister Europa whom Zeus in the form of a bull had stolen, so the myth completes its cycle as a fulfillment of the original narrative.

  • @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
    @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 2 года назад +3

    I'm glad you made a video that addresses the fact that there's two Thebes in such close proximity to each other. I've always wondered and whenever I asked my teachers / professors about it they simply could not answer that.

  • @DiamandaHagan
    @DiamandaHagan 2 года назад +6

    No idea why your vids came up in my recommendations but thanks for them. Watched about 12 in a row.

  • @MatCo774
    @MatCo774 2 года назад +3

    Dude, I loved your channel!! Greetings from Brazil :)

  • @ernestoporrascollantes7921
    @ernestoporrascollantes7921 Год назад +1

    Excellent documentary on Thebes in Boiotia.

  • @tomcasey5972
    @tomcasey5972 2 года назад

    Fascinating content, nice source of Greek name pronunciation, nice voice!

  • @Vito-yp5wh
    @Vito-yp5wh 2 месяца назад +1

    The use of BCE and CE is a sign of historical dishonesty.

  • @Simonjose7258
    @Simonjose7258 Год назад +2

    No. The Greeks renamed the Ancient city of Waset, Thebes. The Greeks named the city “Thebai” which was derived from Ta-ope (The Ancient Name of Luxor) which was based & used by the famous Greek Poet Homer who believed that a “Thebes with Hundred Gates” exists in Egypt. Thebes is sometimes claimed to be the Latinised form of Ancient Greek: Θῆβαι, the hellenized form of Demotic Egyptian tꜣ jpt ("the temple"), referring to jpt-swt; the temple is now known by its Arabic name, Karnak ("fortified village"), on the northeast bank of the city. Most Egyptian cities were given greek names after the conquest of Egypt by Alexander the Great and the Ptolemaic greek rulers that succeeded him. The names stuck in the later Roman period. Ethiopia for example is most definitely not the homeland of the mythical Ethiopians of the legendary battle of Troy. Ethiopians themselves gave their empire that name in the Middle Ages centuries after the fall of Roman Empire.

  • @theokaraman
    @theokaraman 2 года назад +4

    There's also the story/myth of Danaos, an Egyptian noble, who immigrated with his 50 daughters to Argos, Greece, where the locals made him King.
    This is also an interesting story implying immigration from Egypt to Greece during Prehistory

    • @johnbooth1110
      @johnbooth1110 Год назад

      Pierre Grimmal mythographer writes of Danaos. A egyptian pharoah's brother sets sail for Rhodes then Argos. he challenges the king of Argos to verbal slinging match, the people chose Danaos , Danaos was the first to make offerings to Horo Apollo in Delphi. not forgetting how the Phoenicians have been written out of ancient Greece history,

    • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
      @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 10 месяцев назад

      Danaos wasn't Egyptian. He was descendnats of Greeks settlers in Egypt. So he was Greek who came from Egypt.

  • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
    @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 9 месяцев назад +1

    Title is misleading, as you started talking about cultural connections between Egypt and Phoenicia, not even answering clearly on question 'was Greece and Egyptian colony?' (it wasn't).

    • @kermitdfrogz
      @kermitdfrogz Месяц назад

      It was. It even looks like Kemet architecture.

    • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
      @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Месяц назад

      @@kermitdfrogz No, it doesn't. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
      @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Месяц назад

      @@kermitdfrogz Dfferent columns, dfferent styles of temples, different gods, different gender roles and laws, different kind of rule over country. How on Earth Greece would be colony of Egyptians, when all those we saw different? Nubis was colony of Egypt - and we see its culture was subject for egyptianization. When Ptolemies ruled over Egypt, we see Egyptias and Greek custom blend together. But we see no such thing in archaic or classic Greece. Greec was not Egypt's colony.

  • @darrenjackson1981
    @darrenjackson1981 2 года назад +2

    That items of royals from the eighteenth dynasty were found in Greek temples

  • @alananimus9145
    @alananimus9145 2 года назад +8

    A lot of interesting things here. I think the answer is far more complicated than are they PIE or Egyptian. My issue with most historians is that they often ignore Astro and Geo theology when understanding history and social/culture development.

  • @tomtaylor5623
    @tomtaylor5623 2 года назад +4

    many 'indo europeans' used the serpent for their symbol, and while they were the dominant warriors, phonecians were better at deceit and trickery. i daresay cadmus' story is entirely true (well, the latter parts). he was a phonecian who fought for and took part of greece. the answer is obviously both, the question is who was the majority and who had more influence? the pantheon and everything early is indo european. phonecian elements enter later with the new sun god apollo taking delphi etc. but the majority in both respects remains indo-european.

  • @מתןש-ח6פ
    @מתןש-ח6פ 2 года назад +2

    I really love your content, but you seem to have located Phonecia and the three cities incorrectly on the map. They are shown too far to the south, next to the dead sea, when in fact all three cities are north of the kineret sea

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  2 года назад +1

      OK ill look at that

  • @dimm23
    @dimm23 10 месяцев назад +1

    The TRUTH is this! The Greek civilization is earlier than Egypt's. In the dialogue between Critias and Socrates(Plato) it is mentioned that when the lawgiver and one of the seven sages of antiquity, Solon the Athenian, in 639 to 559 BC visited Egypt, the Egyptian priests told him that in their holy books are recorded, among others, the following: "There were many cataclysms on earth and not one of Deucalion as you (Greeks) mention, and because of these cataclysms certain older civilizations were lost, such as for example the civilization of the Greeks that existed before the cataclysm of Deucalion. The Greeks they do not know this because after the flood those who remained did not know how to write. The Greek civilization is older than the Egyptian, and the Greek, taking into account that which existed before the flood of Deucalion, is 9,000 years old, and the Egyptian a thousand years less years, i.e. 8,000 years.
    They also say: "You know only one great cataclysm, but before Deucalion there were many other great cataclysms which our ancients recorded."
    So the priests said to him, there is no reason why I should not do it, Solon, but I will tell you everything, both for your sake and for the sake of your state, but above all for the sake of the goddess who protected, nurtured and educated yours. and then our own place, starting with you a thousand years ago"

  • @darrenjackson1981
    @darrenjackson1981 2 года назад +3

    I have heard that during the reign of king tut some Greek islands were conquered,also during amenhotep lll reign there greek islands under egyptian control and that mycenae,and Knossos were egyptian names

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  2 года назад +2

      In the Middle to Late Bronze Age (~ King Tut) there was for sure a ton of contact between Egypt and the Mycenaeans (who spoke Linear B, a PIE language) Remember that there was a huge time gap between the end of the BA and classical Greece i.e. Greek Thebes. I don't do a great job making that clear in the video.

    • @Ennio444
      @Ennio444 2 года назад

      Where have you heard it?

    • @darrenjackson1981
      @darrenjackson1981 2 года назад

      @@Ennio444 I have heard on some documentaries on TV here in usa

    • @AggelosKyriou
      @AggelosKyriou 2 года назад

      @@darrenjackson1981 There are zero indications for direct egyptian control over any part of the Greek world. There are indications of Phoenician colonies in the Greek islands after the bronze age collapse. Mycenae means "mushroom-shaped hill" in Greek, while the etymology of Knossos is unknown but is reminiscent of the toponyms of Asia Minor.
      To conclude, stop watching b%llshit US history shows.

    • @darrenjackson1981
      @darrenjackson1981 2 года назад

      @@AggelosKyriou how do u explain greek mercenaries in ancient egypt,and how before the bronze age collapse

  • @Μπρο
    @Μπρο 2 года назад +2

    Scholars are unwilling to reorientate ancient Greece from Northern Indo-Europeans to the Levant and they are right to so. Theories such as "black athena" are actual trash and they are motivated by politics and not actually looking for historical truth and this is clear to anyone who has eyes and a mind.
    I am not criticizing the video but I am just stating my thoughts on why this resistance (even if it is too strong) is good because it pushes back against pseudo-history.
    It is especially infuriating as a Greek to see our history be warped in an attempt to "deconstruct" it by some people who are more concerned with politics than history. We don't care about political fights in the USA and it is ugly when people make our history a battleground for their political disagreements an ocean away

    • @brucewaite3733
      @brucewaite3733 4 месяца назад

      You protest too much

    • @Μπρο
      @Μπρο 4 месяца назад

      @brucewaite3733
      -"we wuz kangs n shie"
      -"No you wasn't"
      -"You protest too much"
      The only people who protest too much are blacks in America when some black criminal gets justifiably killed by police. Get your own history fella

  • @JeffPryor
    @JeffPryor 2 года назад +2

    Thanks for Your Presentations
    Remember
    Cadmus founder of Thebes, The Full Storyline, and Background Deceitfulness
    Egypt, and The Aegean Sea are Named After King Aegis of Greece
    Best way to Understand and Get The Message is The Trojan War
    After The Fall of Troy Aeneas and King Latino created The Roman Empire
    Helen, and Aryan fled to Egypt where She is Called Nefertiti

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  2 года назад +2

      I'm glad you liked it! I am planning to do a video about Helen and Egypt. Let me know if there is anything else you would like to hear about.

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      @JeffPryor 2 года назад

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  • @TheRealTomahawk
    @TheRealTomahawk 2 года назад +3

    Why do you use Phoenician to describe Cadmus? They’re from Canaan. Their own Greek descendants called the Canaanites “Phoenicians” after Phoenix. That makes Zeus Ba’al the Canaanite storm god. Who is also Apollo. Yes, the Stevens were Canaanites and Heracles is Melqart the tutelary god of Tyre aka Ba’al whom Elijah defeated at Mt. Carmel

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  2 года назад +4

      The short answer is that I used Phoenician because I study the Greeks and the Romans and that's what they called them. In my understanding, Phoenician refers to the city states of Byblos Sidon and Tyre which emerged in the LBA. Canaanite is a similar but broader ethnic term which is not used by classicists. But using it would be fine IMO.

  • @SuperRobinjames
    @SuperRobinjames 6 дней назад

    Thanks

  • @daltonsherrod1573
    @daltonsherrod1573 2 года назад

    Wasn’t Thebes in Egypt named after the Greek city though and not the other way around?

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  2 года назад

      Definitely not. Check the wiki and Religion for Breakfast’s great video on Thebes: ruclips.net/video/BREkxvrpDOg/видео.html

    • @daltonsherrod1573
      @daltonsherrod1573 2 года назад

      @@Keimelia not doubting you just curious. I had always read that the Egyptians referred to Thebes as Waset, and that it (the city in Egypt) was first referred to as Thebes by Homer, after the city in Greece. I have seen the theory that Θηβαι could have been taken from demotic Egyptian, but demotic wasn’t in use yet during the ancient Egyptian peak. I couldn’t find the source in the wiki you refer to but I’d definitely be interested in reading it!! 👍🏻👍🏻

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  2 года назад

      Gotcha, I am certainly not an Egyptologist You think that the Mycenaean name for Thebes was Thebes? Or that archaic Thebans named Waset Thebes as like honorific or something?

    • @daltonsherrod1573
      @daltonsherrod1573 2 года назад

      @@Keimelia some believe it to stem from Linear B “𐀳𐀣𐀂, te-qa-i”. I had always believed that the Greeks had called Egyptian Thebes “Θηβαι” possibly because aspects of the, by their time ancient city, may have reminded them of Hellenic Thebes. It’s also possible that the Egyptians referred to the city with a second name that sounded similar to “Θηβαι” to the Greeks. This second theory sounds absurd, I know, but something very similar happened with the capital of Lower Egypt, Memphis. The original Egyptian name of Memphis was “Inebu-Hedj” but by the time the Macedonian Greeks conquered Egypt, the locals were calling it “Men Nefer”, and the Greeks transliterated is as “Μέμφις”

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  2 года назад

      It really is a fascinating topic. All that makes perfect sense, I guess I just find it hard to conceptualize Greeks renaming the famous Egyptian site after their little town? But what you said makes sense. It would be like renaming Paris Pittsburgh?

  • @darrenjackson1981
    @darrenjackson1981 2 года назад +2

    Ramsees ll had greek mercenaries in his army

  • @ErosAnteros
    @ErosAnteros 2 года назад +1

    Thebes in Egypt was named Was't in Egyptian. It was only named Thebes after the Alexandrine conquest... Bit of a glaring oversight there.

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  2 года назад

      There is uncertainty around the naming of Thebes. The main point of my video stands in every case and permutation: there is significant evidence for a Phoenician foundation of Thebes. If you disagree make a video about it. I'd love to watch.

  • @johnloizos3902
    @johnloizos3902 Год назад

    Very interesting! I can't remember why Alexander the Great destroyed Thebes. Could there be a link with their "different" provenance?

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  Год назад +2

      True and remember they were one of the major poleis to sympathize with Xerxes when his armies invaded

  • @Anonymous-qw
    @Anonymous-qw 2 года назад

    More on Thebes please. Historians of Greece seem to neglect Thebes in favour of Athens and Sparta.

  • @wankawanka3053
    @wankawanka3053 Год назад

    Thebes in egypt was called wase or wose

  • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
    @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 9 месяцев назад

    'Thebes' is Greek name. Egyptian names is Uaset. Greeks were the one who called it 'Thebes'. So name came solely from Greece, not Egypt.

  • @pontiacpaul1
    @pontiacpaul1 2 года назад +1

    Most those myths spawn after dark ages. Thebes is the greek name. The cadmus myth has more root from writing from traders. Thebes was much older then the phonicieans from the sea .they used linear b writing first . and for the guy claiming egypt ruled any greek islands is false .cyprus was but only by egypt ruling cannan at time egyptians were never know as seafarers just river boat people they lacked trees

  • @deanamodeo4072
    @deanamodeo4072 2 года назад +1

    No

  • @shawnwilliams1917
    @shawnwilliams1917 2 года назад

    I wish people would study it and not be from a purely scholarly perspective...

  • @local-admin
    @local-admin 2 года назад

    Ahhh I see now.

  • @keeperoftruth5951
    @keeperoftruth5951 2 года назад

    Your channel is a diamond in a sea of coal

  • @kwadwo9681
    @kwadwo9681 Год назад

    By “the western Semitic cultures of the levant” you actually mean Africa. The mental gymnastics that some quackademics perform to deny the Africanity of Kemet (ancient Egypt) is worthy of an Olympic medal.
    10/10 effort for intellectual dishonesty.

    • @kwadwo9681
      @kwadwo9681 Год назад

      No it’s not.
      Here’s the quote in greater context:
      “Entertaining this idea has some interesting ramifications. It would mean that Thebes was founded by Egyptians or at least people influenced by Egyptian culture. We would have to reorient our ideas of Ancient Greece away from northern Indo-European heritage and towards the western Semitic cultures of the levant”.
      Therefore, it is either a reference to the (ancient) Egyptians or people influenced by ancient Egyptians.
      Taking into account the context and the fact that this entire video is about whether Ancient Greece was an ancient Egyptian colony, the latter interpretation is the more natural one to adopt.
      And. He is wrong to say that because Kemet (misnomered ancient Egypt) is not a “western Semitic culture of the levant”. It is an African culture of the African continent.
      It’s really not rocket science. But there is a dishonest academic tradition of erasing the role of Africans from history and attributing it to others.

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  Год назад

      Im not quite sure what you mean

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  Год назад

      @@PathsUnwritten No worries I was asking Kwadwo. You did not misinterpret my position at all.

    • @kwadwo9681
      @kwadwo9681 Год назад

      @@Keimelia I find it hard to believe you do not understand what I mean.
      I have set out the position clearly and in detail.
      I may have been more inclined to believe you if you would have elaborated on this apparent confusion.
      But you have elected not to do that.

    • @kwadwo9681
      @kwadwo9681 Год назад

      @@Keimelia Perhaps you can clarify your opinion: is Ancient Egypt a “western Semitic culture of the levant”?

  • @hkschubert9938
    @hkschubert9938 2 года назад +2

    Herodotus said the Greeks came from the Erithrian Sea. And that the Greek gods came from Egypt.

    • @Keimelia
      @Keimelia  2 года назад

      Father of lies!

    • @cosmomusa
      @cosmomusa 2 года назад +1

      no the opposite say, not the Greeks but the Phoenician come from Erithrian Sea, all that of course is speculation of Herodotus

  • @tyiingram9878
    @tyiingram9878 2 года назад +1

    Ding ding ding! We’ve been trying to tell y’all Greece get their knowledge of everything from Egypt.

    • @pg3856
      @pg3856 2 года назад +2

      Nah😂😂😂😂

    • @tyiingram9878
      @tyiingram9878 2 года назад

      @@pg3856 aww you didn’t do your research. Fact: Melanin dominate people civilized Europe twice. The first was in antiquity Pre Hellenism and the second was after the collapse of the Roman Empire.
      Furthermore the original Greeks were black and invented the Greek alphabet to give to the Greeks so that had could learn the knowledge of the ancient ones. You need to know that everything on this planet was created by the Primordial Deities, or Black people. Yt folk appeared 6000 years ago, and guess who had to educate them.

    • @tyiingram9878
      @tyiingram9878 2 года назад

      @@nodruj8681 carry your low vibrational self somewhere. Caves maybe? I hear that’s Petty Mayo’s favorite place. You’re not even worth the time. 👉🏿are the example as to why your blood homies had to be civilized twice. And you speak to Gods when you address a Moor.
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    • @tyiingram9878
      @tyiingram9878 2 года назад

      @@nodruj8681 and stop making up words. Me being proud of who I am has never created the chaos and trauma has. So save the false equivalency. We all don’t need to know you got Swiss cheese on the brain. So upset Petty Mayo isn’t in the lead. Self centered, egotistical, and dim smh.

    • @wankawanka3053
      @wankawanka3053 Год назад

      You wish