Shoulder-In vs. Shoulder-Fore
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Shoulder In & Shoulder Fore
Let’s talk about shoulder in and shoulder fore! Some of you might be thinking “What’s the difference?” or “When should I use one over the other?” So this week’s video is here to give you some tips to you shouldering your way to a better ride!
Let's look at Shoulder Fore first!
Shoulder fore is a great suppleness and strengthening exercise.
When going down the rail, because all horses hips are wider than the front end, if outside shoulder and hip are on the rail, he’s going to look haunches in
Shoulder fore is about aligning the inside hind leg in between the two front legs and engaging the inside hip. Shoulder fore has no bend in the body.
How to ride shoulder fore
Put outside shoulders and hips on the rail
Think about using inside leg to squash inside hind leg closer to outside rail
Use outside rein to bring his shoulder a tiny bit off the rail
Aids for shoulder fore
Sit on inside seat-bone
Apply inside leg at the girth
Outside rein makes sure he’s not falling on the rail with his shoulder.
Shoulder fore isn’t ridden with a lot of angle like shoulder in. Think of it more as an exercise of mindfulness about where the inside hind leg is!
Now onto Shoulder In...
Shoulder in has more angle and is a logical progression from shoulder fore. This movement requires bend through the spine, and is a three-track movement. The three tracks are:
Outside hind
Inside hind & outside front
Inside front
How to ride Shoulder In
Prepare by riding a 10m circle that stars at the rail .
At the end of the circle ride one more step of a second circle.
But then in that position, push your horse straight down the rail.
Aids for Shoulder In
Inside leg at the girth keeping the haunches at the rail.
Outside leg and rein bringing the shoulders off the rail.
Rider’s shoulders turn to the inside
Weight on the inside seat bone
So shoulder-in is just an extension of shoulder fore but with more angle and bend through the body. You can test if your shoulder in is working because you should be able to give with the inside rein and they will soften.
These are great exercises to
Get your horse supple
Get your horse to engage the hind leg
Connect from inside leg to outside rein
The two movements are quite similar so have a look at the video and watch Mercurio show you exactly how the two movements differ so Dive IN and get your skills to the FORE. Let me know in the comments if you like this video! Thanks for watching and Happy Riding!
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Important DISTINCTION and very helpful the physics of horse's desire to canter with haunches inwards to lessen work on haunches! Brava AMELIA encore!
Great demonstration
Amelia I have never seen any videos that explain the aids and ways of going as well as you do. I’m so pleased I joined your email list. Thank you very much. You are wonderful. Regards Antoinette from New Zealand.
This was great information for me.
perfect description, I was having trouble understanding it how my teacher was explaining it- this exercise really helps my quarter horse collect better in the canter- he loves to lean on the forehand
I’m late to the party, but this video has been super helpful
I'm so glad it was helpful for you!
so helpful thank you!
Just was learning the diffences between the two exercises yesterday in my lesson! This was very helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! Super clear and helpful!
Can we have a similar video explaining/comparing renvers vs travers?!
Here's a video on renvers: ruclips.net/video/HtNBkbRsmGQ/видео.html
Thank you Amelia, great explanation of the differences between the two.
Really helpful and clear.
Thank you very much for this lesson. This is going with what I am currently working on with my instructor. Thank you, love your videos. Oh..so very informative and clear. ❤️
Glad it was helpful!
Ohhhh. I get it. Thanks!
You're welcome!
This was super thanks Amelia
Very informative video and very helpful. Just what I needed. 👌 Thanks Amelia. X
You’re welcome 😊
Hi Amelia, thank you for your videos. I am working on Shoulder Fore with my instructor. Your videos really help me. I love to follow your progress too :)
You are so welcome!
Clear, useful as always. You will see much improvement if keep practicing both shoulder fore n shoulder-In in a right way.
Absolutely
Excellent videos . You explain everything so clear that I enjoy all of them.
Buenas tardes. Quisiera hacer una petición si pudiera poner el canal también en español se lo agradecería. Me gustaría poder saber lo que dice gracias. Espero que lo pueda hacer gracias
Thanks for clearing up the confusion! 👏
Thank you for your weekly videos, I found this one very helpful how you explained the difference between shoulder fore & shoulder in
Love this, it helps so much!!
Thank you! So helpful. I will be reviewing this many times as I work with this with my horse.
So helpful, I will work on this each day this week to cement the differences and use them properly. Definitely agree it’s easier one side than the other!
Glad it was helpful!
very helpful thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Do you have a video about usef test 1-19 for the eq I’m not sure if it’s the same for dressage but you do everything so well and your an amazing trainer!!! I would love to watch that
Very helpful Amelia, thank you!
Thank you for clarifying the difference between Shoulder Fore vs. In. This information is very helpful!
You are so welcome!
Thanks Amelia! I love this video, it’s such a good explanation. The only question I have is, as a less experienced rider, what cues- visual or what am I feeling- let me know that I’m riding these correctly? Eg how do I know I’m not taking the shoulder too far off the rail, or how do I know I’m not over-bending? What do I see, what do I feel? Thanks again!
Hi Amelia
Thank you so much for your videos!! I was wondering if when doing the shoulder fore, can you feel a difference thru your seat when you have the horse straight and haunches corrected?
Hi Amelia, I love your lessons!! One question: do you never feel anxious or afraid, when you ride??? You always seem so relaxed! I would really like to ride some lessons with you!! Thank you for your explanations, you make everything look so simple 😊
My horse gets super fast in his canter and trys to rush all the time. Can you do a video about slowing the canter down and collecting and the Aids used to do this. X
Yes! Will add this to the list
Excellent explanation! Thank you. To clarify the active leg is the inside leg and the outside leg is a guarding leg to keep the bend, correct?
This is a really helpful video! Thank you for sharing! Do you find that shoulder in is easier in sitting trot?
Yes, definitely. It is easier to feel where the horse is and what their back is doing in sitting trot.
Still struggling with knowing where the hind legs are. How do you feel that? Is it just memorizing how the legs land in the gaits and then trying to pair that with movement? Or....?
Great question! I have a video on that! ruclips.net/video/LQJHs0vOI0c/видео.html
I perfectly understand Shoulder-in vs Shoulder-Fore now with your video...thank you! However, I am currently learning Hunt Seat but using your courses as a guide for future riding with my horse (and I feel many aspects still pertain to good riding practices and I love your methodology). My trainer always has me turning the head towards the fence during take off and the canter then keeping it there. Can you explain why that is?
In very basic terms the two most common ways riders are taught to pick up the canter are 1) turn the horses head outward (toward the fence) and cue with outside leg, or 2) bend horse slightly to the inside around the riders inside leg and cue with the outside leg. The first method unbalances the horse forcing them onto their inside shoulder causing them to 'fall' into the canter on the correct lead. The second method correctly balances the horse which allows him to use his outside hind leg to push off the ground to initiate the canter and bring their inside hind leg forward on the correct lead. Your instructor is teaching you the first method which is still common among Hunter/Jumper riders, but is not correct and will hinder your and your horses further development on both the flat and over fences. I learned the same way as a young rider and eventually had to unlearn it, along with lots of other bad habits.
Is shoulder fore 3 track like shoulder in?
yes!
what benefits to the horse are being ridden behind the vertical? curious
The goal is to always have your horse in front of the vertical and helping them using their body correctly.
I’m trying to pay attention to the lesson but I wish my hair was as nice as his tail
Hi how are you Amelia do you not rply me why
Omg hate to tell you it was going in and out of focus or you were losing feed....🙄
When you were doing should 4 that was when it was bad .