Absolutely great work there. I knew it was a complex area but who knew there were all those tests etc. I take it that things that have been historically found safe are not repeat tested on animals as this is a hideous practice and nobody should be using brands that still test already safe chemicals on living creatures. People have to take some responsibility for what they use so that this doesnt continue happening until the end of time. If people were just educated a little on what products they use, practices such as animal testing can be left in the past.
I was in a really bad car accident and the first thing I did once I got the hospital was take pictures of my injuries as best I could. Even on pain meds I knew I needed picture proof of how bad I was injured to help get the point across in court when I went to sue the guy who caused the accident. Pictures are worth more than a thousand words.
@@peps1943 I didn’t take the pictures of the car accident. A witness asked me if I wanted them too and at the hospital a nurse saw me struggling to take pictures of my broken wrist so he helped with that part
Smart. Im so sorry people can be such shit drivers. Ive just started driving at 18 and in ONE night i had two cars not use their turn signal almost hit the front of my car (i slowed down when i saw them coming over thank god i pay attention) and one person we were side by side he tried to pull into my lane and he was so close he almost hit my mirror he looked over saw me and quickly turned back. After that he sped up so much over the speed limit and nearly hit other cars in front of me. Like wtf
I didn’t think of that when I took my foot injury pictures. But now that I’m going into legal discussions for my settlement they will definitely come in handy!
When RawbeautyKristi did her collab with colorpop, there was a shade in the palette that was a pressed pigment, and I remember her videos being REALLY clear about it. Basically "these are all eyeshadows, but this one right here is a pressed pigment, not an eyeshadow. It might cause staining, it might cause irritation, it is not FDA approved for the eye. All these? Eyeshadows. This one? Use on your eye at your own risk. I'm gonna use it on my eye at my own risk, that's a choice I'm making". I know it's a safe pigment, I know colorpop puts a bunch of R&D time into making sure they're safe, and Kristi herself had made videos about exactly what "pressed pigments" are and why they exist before that collab, but I really appreciated the like...over the top transparency that went beyond what would be necessary to legally cover her arse.
It's truly only because the FDA is archaic asf though. Rest of the world doesn't need to disclaim their souls away about simple pressed pigments. Like...the true issue here is the FDA and how they're not only light-years behind on health and safety, but also horridly, historically corrupt.
I absolutely agree and remember that video of hers and thinking how great she did explaining and making sure we understood. Also I’ve used that color and it did not stain my eye, eye makeup remover took it right off. But I still respected the info she gave us. It’s not hard, Huda was shady af w this lol
@@g1ng3rsn4ps but can we talk about the fact that when you try to order vitamins from usa to uk it will get stopped at customs and you wont be able to get it because it is not approved here in Europe? A lot of colorants and ingredients used in product in the us are not safe in Europe. This is bizarre😂
@Cam I could not have said this better myself! Unfortunately, all of this is spot on. The FDA isn't here to protect people. In fact, it gas approved drugs that kill people on a routine basis. It is responsible for approving opioid drugs that have caused countless deaths and addiction.
Rolondo probably had an allergic reaction, scratched it, got an infection like staph or strep which can cause an ulceration - a hole in the skin. The pigment story reminded me of that one girl who got full body stained pink by a Lush bath bomb.
Idk if it’s the same girl, but wasn’t it a bath oil that she used like a bath bomb? I remember at least one incident with the bath oil because I own the product and it’s meant to be used in small amounts and not all at once.
I used a lush bathbomb that didn’t dye my skin but it tinted my hair pink (I have platinum blonde hair). It washed out after 3-4 days so I loved it! But I couldn’t ever find that bath bomb ever again once I looked. I wanted to tint my hair again haha!
@@annalisanorman9013I worked at lush back in the day, the solid oils are really small, it was probably a melt which are bigger and meant to be broken into a lot of pieces. The melts are stronger in scent and pigment since you really are ment to use them in small pieces but still get a really nice relaxing bath with them. It’s like that girl on TikTok who used the massage bar in her shower… the one with like actual red beans in it, and she was like “I bought this lush soap and it ruined my shower. There’s plants growing out of my shower!” I just face palmed so hard because lush makes a big deal of having the employees explain the products as best as possible since they don’t have individual packaging, you can get a booklet with all the information for the products and also easily found online since the company is big about being green.
Colourpop always puts this disclaimer on their products that include pressed pigments and glitters. But theirs are very much visible, that being said their stuff has NEVER stained my skin, and im am the palest of the pale fair skin.
So, he started having an allergic reaction, kept using the product, then scratched a hole through his skin (while sleeping or whatever), then sued SEPHORA (not the product's actual brand or manuracturer, because, deeper pockets?). Sounds dumb. Stop using a product, if it causes any irritation or allergic reaction.
Also, if you're going to sue them, why wouldn't you GO TO A DOCTOR??! Your case will be stronger if you have a medical diagnosis and if you win you can get those fees covered. It makes no sense to me!
@@emmalinekim9822 fr the fact that you have a hole in your face and your first instinct is to contact a LAWYER is wild to me lol. and uhh did he not take any pictures?? i couldn't find any either and are we just... supposed to take his word for it? lol wut
@@skrittle555 literally if ANYTHING burnt a hole in my face I would call poison control, go to the ER, see a doctor... ANYTHING to fix my face before I called a lawyer!! Good lesson for all of us though. If something like this ever happens, document everything.
I found myself subscribed to both not paying attention to first names I was sure there was only one of them and literally last week I found out they were twins.
@@alexisgrey3633 on their shared channel they start their videos with a reminder that they are not the same person. I found them on Facebook videos one day, both same day and it took me a bit to realize it was twins.
@@alexisgrey3633 i think i found james first, and then when i watched a video of robert's i was like 'wait when did he get a scar on his eyebrow? wait, wasn't his name james...?'
It was ages before I realized they weren’t the same person! Before I subscribed, I kept getting recommended their videos, so I would watch each here and there thinking they were the same. I don’t think I learned they were twins until they did a collab video and I saw double!
Not the case for the eye hole guy, but I just wanted to throw this out there regarding patch testing & allergies: it is absolutely possible to develop an allergy to a product you've been using for a while. My own little anecdote - I adore the Belif brand & used multiple products of theirs on a daily basis for years with great results. Last year, my skin took a sudden downturn: miserably tight, itchy skin with lots of pimples, constantly chapped & bleeding lips despite liberal lip balm usage, and an ever-worsening, flaking rash around the perimeter of my face. Since nothing had changed in my skincare routine/life in general, I was tearing my hair out trying to determine the cause. After a lot of misery & my face reaching a level of severity where I was in constant pain just speaking & emoting, and it was difficult to even leave my house, I finally found out that it was my beloved Belif products that were the cause. Apparently most/all of Belif products contain added fragrances (limonene, geraniol, linalool) that oxidize when exposed to air, and the resultant oxidized compounds can be sensitizing/allergenic. My guess is that, with the onset of the pandemic, since I was wearing makeup/leaving the house/applying certain products from my routine less frequently, they had more time to oxidize once opened (despite still being well-within their expiration periods), triggering a fun new allergy. I've since switched to a completely fragrance-free routine that's been serving me well. Basically, while patch testing is absolutely a good idea, still be aware that an allergy can rear its ugly head after long-term use. Beware potentially sensitizing & allergenic ingredients!
I agree totally! I recently purchased the Belif Aqua Bomb Poolside Hydration starter kit, because I've always heard such great things about this line. Unfortunately, my skin did not like it at all. So I read the ingredients and saw the added fragrances that you mentioned as well as denatured alcohol. Upon researching these ingredients further, I learned about the oxidizing component of the fragrances which can cause allergies. Also, denatured alcohol strips the natural oils from your skin, disrupting the skin barrier. This not only means more moisture can escape (AKA your skin will be dryer), but also that more irritants can permeate, increasing the likelihood of redness and sensitivity. I'm usually really vigilant about reading ingredient lists and doing research before purchasing and using products, but I admit that I got sucked in by all the glowing recommendations and marketing, and just assumed that since it was Korean, it had to be good, lol. Definitely a big take away for me is to do your own research and listen to your skin, regardless of how long you've used a product, or what anyone else may be saying or doing.
I can’t use any Belif products because they are so irritating. I recently started using a product from Laneige called Cream Skin toner and moisturizer. It’s fragrance free and I looove it.
@@nikki271 I'm still looking for a good fragrance free toner and moisturizer. I will definitely try the Laneige line. Thanks so much for the recommendation!
@@rhema5998 I’ve tried another product from Laneige before and had a horrible reaction, but I think the new Cream Skin products are all fragrance free and hypoallergenic. I think I may order the mist too during a sale!
Don't buy latisse. That's the one with the risks. "Careprost" is the generic brand but I wouldn't trust that either. I remember reading years ago about an Indian version that just had the bimatoprost active ingredient in it (without having all the extra crap that Latisse has in it) but I never did get around to buying it. XD
Staining doesn’t mean irritation. I have been using pressed pigments around my eyes for yearssssssss and never had a bad reaction (the specific neon obsessions from huda beauty and different eyeshadows from many other brands). Of course not everyone’s skin is going to react the same way so 🤷♀️
The FDA has these pigments banned for a couple of reasons, both of which I personally find silly. Firstly, they did a study (in like to 50s or something it's ancient) where they put high concentrations of the pigments directly into the eyes of mice and it caused irritation. Literally no one is using eyeshadow like that! Secondly, they classify staining as "dyeing" and they don't permit cosmetic products to dye the immediate eye area. In my opinion, temporary staining isn't the same as dyeing. It just seems like outdated standards that should be updated to reflect current research and understanding. And I also totally agree! Staining isn't itchy or painful or bumpy--it just looks a lil silly.
I have used Peter Thomas Roth products for fifteen years. Love everything and continue to buy them from QVC since they have payments and Peter's products are spendy. They have customer's reviews too and not one case like this one and there have been hundreds of satisfied users.. My skin is looking great. Sorry someone was sensitive. But burning a hole through the skin the first use is not possible. I've used Retin A which is very strong and comes only by prescription and it may have burned my skin til dry, but not a hole . Just so you all know.
Tip to keep pressed pigments from staining: use a good lid primer (primer not concealer), also clean with a cleansing balm. I never have staining & I use almost nothing but bright pressed pigments lol.
@@allana1997 I used to love p.loiuse but the last couple of years I have been using the one from Gerard Cosmetics, they have sales on their website all the time & I feel like it just feels less heavy on my skin as the p.liouse & doesn't feel as dry. I also double cleanse starting with a cleansing balm (which I will often pair with a makeup eraser type cloth on my eyes, gently of course) then my normal cleanser. Doing those things has helped me not have a single stain in years 😁
As a safety assessor for personal care products and toxicologists, I can say most products on the market, especially from big brands are going to have safety assessment reports for the formulas so the product matches the regulations and the company will be protected when it's taken to court. also, a lot of smaller brands don't do this safety assessment and that can result in lengthy court battles, big brands won't fa'' for this and the safety reports of the products are always prepared to be presented in court and the company will be okay. companies can not create a 100% safe and 0% allergy because it is not the fault of the ingredients but actually your immune system and how unique it is.
@@cniknik9863 thank you, i am trying to explain this all the time on my channel but people say oh you sided with the companies too much or i am Getting paid, but that's the truth most of the time it's your unique skin response not the product
@@cniknik9863 Seriously tho. I know people in real life with the weirdest allergies, and the solution is not lawsuits- it's being aware and vigilant about managing your allergies, and reacting quickly to anything out of the ordinary. IDK about anyone else but if I get a rash, especially on my face, I'm gonna start trying to narrow down what's been on my face recently that could be causing a reaction.
This!! 100% THIS!! My degree is in Human Science & we've definitely covered topics like this...& because of my studies in this subject, i can concur that u are RIGHT. Thank u for writing this!
I love this series! I’m studying liability at the moment and was just learning about joint liability (in Canada anyways) for manufacturers and retailers. Also negligence! Super cool to see a real life example in something I actually care about lol
@@JamesWelsh awhh sort of! Very specifically, law in regards to insurance and how insurance will respond. It’s actually a lot more interesting than it sounds, but it’s quite dry sometimes... it’s great that I can also basically use your vids to help learn! 💜💜💜💜 love your content and energy James, please never stop creating!!
I'm a court employee and as soon as you said there were no exhibits (statements from a doctor/dermatologist, photographs of the damage, etc) I knew where it was going 😅 I will be shocked if the judgment is made in favor of the plaintiff.
Lol I think that's why he only asked for damages in the amount of 500k and his attorney was banking that it would settle. I was anticipating it would be higher if the claim was actually more legit
@@missalicesmiles yeah but I can't believe any attorney thinks they'll actually get anything from this... unless I'm missing something and maybe some documents are sealed but just based off what James is saying, it sounds like there's literally no proof at all. It just seems silly lol
@@missalicesmiles with a case like this, they absolutely could file a motion to dismiss but most judges will require a hearing regardless just ime. I probably wouldn't even bother. I'll be interested to see what the outcome is, if it's not sealed.
No pictures. No reports. Even the lawsuit was over the top with the accusations. The wording makes it pretty impossible to be taken seriously in my non professional opinion
thank you for saying it can cause "irritation and staining" because literally no one knows these can irritate your eyes. we've seen videos where people had reactions to using these shades and then freak out like there's something awful in the product. there actually used to be information about it on the FDA's website under cosmetic ingredients but i haven't been able to find it again.
I would 100% believe this tbh. Dragon's blood is a type of essential oil - very much a group of known irriatants - and once that should not be used in high concentrations on *any* skin. When I spilled a few drops onto my lower thigh (a large, fatty area covered in fairly thick skin often used for Subcutaneous injections), I had red rash marks from it that itched for a few days. The redness itself took about a week to go down. I cannot stress enough I do not have sensitive skin in any sense of the word either. I would imagine putting something like that on the soft, thin, fragile skin of the eye could very possibly cause what he claimed if he had sensitive skin.
Aside from Huda trying to hide that the Neon palettes had pressed pigments, which particularly with red ones you should always patch test to see if they cause eye irritation, these palettes all together were not that good. I don't know how they made the green one look like it did in the promo pics, bc the even with layering and layering I was just barely able to get a faint green colour show on my eye lids and I have a fair skin tone. The shimmers were just dry and had trouble sticking even with a glitter primer. Based on the reviews the pink and red ones were very hard to work with (patchy and not blending), even for ppl who had experience in using pressed pigment shadows.
Maybe there’s something wrong with me but when something I use doesn’t react right on my skin I don’t think let’s sue the bastards shame on them, I just throw it away and note to myself not to use that product again 🤷🏼♀️
If it scars you irreversibly and possibly blinds you, you wouldn't want it to be pulled from shelves and something for your hospital bills? Sometimes, you can have an instant reaction, other times it'll happen after some use.
Its not just that it "didnt react right". It sounds to me like he trusted the brand and so continued with the treatment until it was too late and disfigured him. Some people don't get so lucky, are left with a permanent, daily reminder of what happened, and want to keep other people from experiencing the same thing they did.
Also, another note, but consumers don't have a lot of recourse except to sue. We write a bad review, it gets taken down by the company's pr department. We can't get money back because it was an "authorized transaction". We can contact the bbb, but who goes to that website? The only recourse we have as consumers is the law, if we feel like we were wronged by a company/product. He honestly didn't even sue for that much considering he had a hole in his face.
@@ttyngordon only an american would say that... normal people read the ingredients list, check if they are allergic etc... But you just sue everybody bcs reading is sooo damn hardddd 😭 not everyone has the same reaction, it makes 0 sense to just ban an item just cus someone has allergy...
James, I love this series!!!! Canada is the worst for allowing products in, such as Paula’s Choice, Krave, Nimya and probably many more. I can truthfully say I’ve never done a patch test, ever so surprise surprise when my face peeled off using the Drunk Elephant retinol stuff.
@@JamesWelsh Inkey List's Tranexamic Acid Hyperpigmentation Treatment is available in Canada. I think you might be thinking of retinoids? The Ordinary, for example, is no longer allowed to sell its own retinoid products in Canada. I've had to buy from the US. I think one would need a prescription from a dermatologist in order to have access to retinoids. That change happened a few years ago.
as a Canadian, I can wholeheartedly agree! I've wanted to get stuff from Peach and Lily but getting it to Canada is soooo much! Do keep an eye out on Paula's choice, and sign up for their newsletter! They offer free shipping to subscribers sometimes, and that includes to Canada (at least in my province)!
Was the Huda Beauty palette sold in stores? Cause how where you supposed to remove the sticker in store before buying to know that you couldn't use the palette for what you intended? I can't imagine the store would have been too happy if you take the packaging apart. The whole way they went about this is insane and it's so odd to me that they might get away with a court paper that says they did nothing wrong. Shouldn't the FDA make it clear to beauty brands that this behavior is unacceptable? Also personally if I know a product has ingredients that are not approved for use on the eye area (in my own or another country) I probably wouldn't use it. I don't care who's right, I just rather not take that risk. There are so many perfectly fine alternatives.
The reason it’s considered not safe for the eye area in the US is just because of staining. That’s it. I think the best option is for the FDA to get with the times and stop unnecessarily worrying consumers about minor, very temporary staining. Sure, for legal reasons Huda should have made the “not intended for use in the immediate eye area” more prominent, but she shouldn’t have to put it on the palette in the first place. These pigments are safe, and the EU recognizes that. We should too.
@@MsCarterElise I live in the EU and if my eyes would be stained for days and I wasn't informed that could happen I wouldn't be happy with that brand. Just because you can technically use it doesn't mean you should do that to your customers. Also weather you agree with the law or not doesn't make it ok to circumvent a country's law by promoting the product to be used on the eyes and then put a sticker under another sticker in a way that almost no one will ever find it saying actually don't use it on the eyes. Consumers shouldn't be ok with something like this and regulators should protect their consumers from such practices.
@@Eeveelyn I guess I just think “may cause staining” is less alarmist than “not intended for the immediate eye area” because unlike glitter, for example, we know these pigments are safe. That’s my issue. Was what Huda did shady? Absolutely. But staining isn’t dangerous, and it isn’t the end of the world. It is at most inconvenient, and the possibility of staining should be made clear to consumers. But by requiring companies to put “not intended for the immediate eye area” on a product that definitely can be put on the eyelid safely, it puts companies in a very strange position. Additionally, many of these pigments that stain do so because they are vegan and made without carmine. I personally am much more bothered by the prospect of putting crushed up bugs on my eyelids than I am something that might stain. We should be encouraging this easy switches away from carmine, not unnecessarily frightening consumers. I’m all for strenuous regulation of all consumer goods. I just think this is a place where the FDA has not kept up with the times.
When it comes to under eye skin, patch testing isn’t fool proof. While it can alert you to an allergic reaction, sensitivity is much higher on the delicate orbital zone. I’ve never had any type of problems with my facial skin, my under eyes are so reactive though. Love you darling💜
I really like these videos of yours. i hope you continue to do them... no matter who may be in the wrong the supplier or the consumer. This video stressed the importance of making sure you are not allergic to something. but I do find them really interesting. maybe you can even go over really old cases maybe even from the 70's 80's or 90's. that might be really interesting to go over, and most likely those cases would be closed. To see if any of them changed ingredients used or help pave the way to the safety standards we have today.
I have sensitive skin. I tried a Murad eye cream that I got with a subscription box. Used it and it dried out my skin and swelled up my eyes bad. I stopped using it like a smart person. Now I get basic thin eye creams like the one from E.L.F.
I would LOVE to see LabMuffin Beauty to get involved in this series too!!! Really appreciate James reaching out to chemists to get a professional opinion from someone who can analyze the makeup of products and the likelihood of reactions occuring because of poor formulations.
The thing I've learned about make up and skin care is there is always a chance for a reaction. It really comes down to the person, the medication in their system, body chemistry, and other issues. If something reacts bad, take it off and don't use it again.
Allergic reactions are really terrifying but they aren't the companies' fault unless they were purposefully misleading (like I can't count the things that had "corn free" label on the packaging, but also contained unlisted corn hidden unlisted under the "natural flavors" umbrella of the ingredients. I'm so lucky I'm not anaphylactic.)
I actually found Peter Thomas Roth through Lovely Skin (a company my mom gets all her skincare from) and I LOVE the pumpkin enzyme scrub, my skin is dry and sensitive and it’s a beautiful combination of chemical and physical exfoliation that I love
And this is why we have to have warning labels on hair dryers telling you not to use them in the bath…. Do people not under that allergic reactions exist? It’s like the eos lip balm scandal. There was an ingredient that a lot of people can have a reaction too (I’m pretty sure an essential oil). It doesn’t mean that it’s a bad product that requires a warming label.
I'm truly SO over the pressed pigment drama. The US FDA is overly cautious about them and they're perfectly fine in Europe per the European Medicines Agency. They're safe they just can stain.
Often when we come up against issues like this (and I’m thinking specifically about sunscreens, too) it comes down to funding. The FDA doesn’t have the necessary funding to update guidelines on every product. They are barely keeping up with their current workload because they are so vastly underfunded. I personally look at how the entire world handles controversial products like this and take my guidance from the general consensus. We should consider who has the most recent research and see what conclusions they come to. Or. We could fund the FDA adequately and save unknown numbers of lives. But probably we won’t. 😢
I use the Peace Out Retinol Eye Stick and I’m 99% sure that it’s doing something my typical eye creams have never been able to do. Plus the application process is so SO easy under makeup. Very good!
Bish thanks I’ve been going back and forth about purchasing this item I have expensive asf eye creams and feel as if none of them do dada or just feel basic
See… the Huda Beauty issue wouldn’t be one if they were more clear about the warnings, and didn’t try to hide them inside the packaging + purposely making the instructions to peel the label super small. Also they advertised it as EYESHADOW instead of pressed pigments, which is misleading, and is completely Huda Beauty’s fault. Overall, this is all on Huda Beauty for their failure to communicate the risks, and the false advertising.
Having problems with Beauty Bay too, but I ordered just some candles so I will just wait and hope they will arrive to me... eventually. The pandemic taught me to be much more patient about shopping online, that's for sure 0.o
Hooo boy, this is why it's so important to research ingredients so you know how they interact, how they're used, and how they can affect the skin, as well as patch testing. Reactions are so individual that it really does fall to the consumer to be aware and be informed. I can honestly believe a product would "burn" a hole in someone's face. I have an extreme allergy to adhesives that increases in intensity with stronger adhesives, and it actually causes tissue breakdown and I end up with massive open sores. So I can honestly believe this happened to this poor guy, but as the chemist said, a patch would've helped him to see the effects. I honestly steer clear of fragrances and natural extracts, as they are known to be irritating to some people, especially those with sensitive skin.
The only thing Huda did wrong in my opinion, was not state clearly it was a pressed pigment palette. As for the promotional videos, photos and articles, so many other brands use pressed pigment palettes on the eyes, so I don’t see the problem there. Unless we can sue them as well 🤨
@@SandraMorris51 yeah I had to work slowly using that. I don’t use retinol around my eyes so when I first got it, I used once a week and worked my way up!
This is exactly why I have not bought anything from Huda since 2019. They do have all the financial resources and to do some shady shit (no pun) and not take ownership is unacceptable. ❤️U
Ngl the huda palette is one my favourites that I own!😂 I think as more makeup brands move towards been fully vegan, alot of brands use press pigments rather than shadows, I just thought that was known, I no full well if I use a pink/red eyeshadow I'm gonna have staining, it's just the risk you take🤔🙄
So much respect for the research you put into these videos, James. 👏🏼Thanks for keeping us informed! I also like when you provide for us snippets of what was going on in 2017. I too remember where I was when I didn’t understand what SpaceX was doing. 🚀💜🖤
Thank you so much! I actually enjoy doing the research for these videos so much!! Is there anyone who doesn’t remember where they were when they didn’t know what spaceX was doing?
The only thing I've ever found horrifying about PTR products is their price tag 😬 they have some OK products in my opinion but they aren't justified by their price
Agreed. I bought a mask (during a sale) based on a really good review for something I really needed for my skin and while I enjoy using it, I def won’t be repurchasing because it’s just not worth the price point.
14:15 HELP THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IM HEARING THAT YOURE INTO KPOP SO NOW UR INTROS MAKE SENSE OML!!! IVE LITERALLY BEEN FREAKING OUT FOR THE PAST WEEK BECAUSE OF YOUR VIDS HAHHAHAHAHA
Interesting. I tried a 5% lactic acid exfoliator on my face and body. I did TWO patch tests and was fine. My skin barrier is still recovering from the horrific breakout I got, it was painful, inflamed, weeping. On my body, I have an ENORMOUS painful raised rash that I am still struggling with, two months later. Some products are just not for everyone, not necessarily an allergy.
And patch testing a lot of times is a miss you really cannot patch test something on inner arms, some products could only irritate after a significant period of use, some like eye creams would cause adverse reaction to your around eye area but mot when you patch test anywhere else
I disagree about patch testing because I have suffered all week with a swollen eyelid from using a serum for my face on my eyelid that I have used for years on my face. The skin of your eyelid can be allergic but not your face or arm.
@@malikagirl yes absolutely and there are known eyelid irritants and companies are putting them in products anyway. My eyelids have been destroyed by terribly made moisturizers, serums, cleansers, sunscreen and eyeshadows. I don’t think not patch testing should be an Ace in the hole of every skincare company. My face can’t take lots of things my body can.
I really really dislike Huda Beauty. Not only did I have all three neon palettes I also got serious skin staining from them and completely discontinued using the whole brand. Huda has proven to steal other small businesses ideas and concepts and this deceptive practice with the palettes. It all just became a big no for me and that brand is on my never buy again list.
I think that a lot of those "the eyeshadow/pressed pigment made my eyes itchy" are caused when removing it. I mean - if you have a light stain and you rub it like crazy of course it will itch and be sore. If you rub you skin raw of course it will hurt and be red. 🙄🙄
My skin reacts to niacinamide, but not always: it depends on % and formulation. And I read that many people have this reaction to it. The problem is that not all products have % stated on the packaging and niacinamide is in everything these days. I wouldn't be surprised to see it in toilet paper soon. Since it's a known irritant, I wish all producers were obligated to state the percentage on the packaging.
This would make life so much easier for me. I'm allergic to some of the most common ingredients in skin care that are "all natural" but coconut won't cause major reactions if it's in a very small amount. So if it's the third ingredient, I usually can't buy it. Problem is... If it was a drop and everything behind it is also in such tiny amounts, I could probably tolerate it. "Probably".
Although I loved BH Cosmetics most of their palettes are considered pressed pigment palettes so I always patch test and use an eyeshadow base that is tinted to act as a layer to protect my eyes. The formula is amazing but staining is probable if you don’t test and prep. And yet I’ve never heard of anything negative about their formula - now that Makeup Revolution bought the brand I’m curious if they’ll keep the same manufacturers so that they continue to use the pressed pigment formulas for their palettes.
I love Peter Thomas Roth, they had the only face wash that got rid of my acne and moisturizer that didn't make me oily or break out. The BAD thing about the brand, they get rid of their best sellers! Ridiculous! I had to find a whole new brand again bc they discontinued everything that I used, that were all 5⭐ top sellers
Same thing happened to me when Perricone MD revamped their brand & got rid of my entire routine after my using it for 3 years. They're out of Sephora now so I can still buy but I had to look elsewhere for most products. After a year, I finally found a good regimen but damn that was a pain!
Hey James!! A super sensitive skincare lover here! I find it hard to love skincare where i can get mild allergic reactions to 99% of all fragrances, so could you PLEASE make a video with fragrance free and possibly allergy tested skincare alternatives? That would be an amazing help to the allergy skincare community!
But why on earth would you keep using a product after you’ve already got red bumps and irritated skin?? Sounds like he wanted a quick way get rich - and then failed, since he didn’t even have proof🙄
I immediately stop using any product that itritates my skin in the slightest. I might try it again after some research to make sure that I'm not mixing things that shoildnt be, checking if the reaction is normal, and looking at different sequencing of my other products before / if I will try it again. Examples: I stopped retinol after the initial breakout before learning that the retinol pullrge is real and trying again, and I have several other products that I sometimes over use so ill take a couple of days with other gentler products before reintroducing the more intense ones. Its nit hard to respect your skin and irritating products
I had no idea about the pressed pigments and I immediately went and checked on a palette I was going to order and the disclaimer not to use it around the eyes was there! Definitely not buying it now. Thanks for the information and keeping my eyes and skin safe!
My guess is the retinyl palmitate, if his skin is sensitized to retinol I could 1000% see how a reaction like that happened. I’m personally really sensitive to retinol and I’ve had my eyes swell up and get scaly and itchy from using retinol on the rest of my face and then later managing to rub my skin to somehow spread it too close to my eyes. But that’s a REACTION that happens to ME. I know not to use retinol or to use it very sparingly with patch testing, any reaction I have after that point is due to my own poor choices not the product.
Absolutely loved this, super fun video! I hope you branch out to do more things similar to this, it's really interesting to have a pros opinion on these incidents
That hidden warning on the huda beauty eyeshadow palette was so unhinged. Its like someone selling me eyeshadow only to hide the label that says I'm putting mace in my eyes.
I don't have problems with the green one. But I avoid putting the shimmers too close because when they get inside the eye it's hurts a bit. But when used correctly it's fine. Not the best but usable
I love the new intro song. I guess you liked Run2u by StayC!! This format of informative content is also really interesting to watch so thank you for the efforts^^
The only Peter Thomas Roth products i have ever used are from the laser free line and i really liked this eye serum. I was pretty knew to using skincare beyond moisturizer and face wash at the time so it might not have been that good. lol i always wondered why it wasn't hyped up more.
This happened to me with the Violet Voss Sweet Violet palette and I never understood why it stained my poor little eye lids 🫠 Thank you for showing me the light 💜 😅
damn, you got me buying contacts at the drop of a hat haha. I keep wanting nice coloured contacts but it's actually hard with hazel eyes because they're already naturally multicoloured and light so fake irises look so weird. Also, not doing prescription again, just can't get contacts for astigmatism
i think the big difference between this and other pallets is now if they have pressed pigments those are listed on the back with stuff like 'may stain and not intended for eye area' so it's not misleading
I really love this series! it's very informative and made me more aware and careful when trying new skincare and cosmetic products. I'll be looking forward to more informative and educational contents from you, James. Thanks and have a nice day 💜
I've never in my life seen an eye wash that was a bottle and not a machine in a school lab attached to a chemical body washing station...that's very interesting.
I wonder if he got a staph infection. He developed an irritation. If he scratched or caused any small abrasion on his face hello bacteria. Staph lives all over our bodies and it can eat away at the skin causing holes to develop. I don't know the circumstances but it sounds like he should have consulted a doctor/dermatologist.
Jamesssss! I ☠️ when you said you laugh when you get nervous. I do this same thing! I remember being about 10 or 11 at my Grandparent's for Christmas. The kids (my cousins and me) were playing games in the dining room when suddenly my great grandpa fell backwards from his recliner. I could hardly contain my laughter, but I laugh when I feel tension or I'm nervous. I swear I got evil looks from everyone! 30 years later, I'm still the same..... just not as bad.
The whole "not to be used around the eye area" is in SO MANY eyeshadow palettes. It's because the eyelid could be stained a bit. She was so dramatic about it, it does NOT mean that something harmful could actually happen! Anybody who knows anything about makeup should know this.
Yes, I was a bit surprised that she had such a big collection but had never heard of a pressed pigment palette, but I'm realizing it's not as common knowledge as I previously thought. I'm assuming Huda thought that knowledge was more common than it actually is too.
Here’s the thing though, the FDA may be wrong in categorizing the pigments as harmful, but a legal determination is a legal determination. Having a whole promotional campaign promoting using the product in a way that is ILLEGAL to promote should be illegal, and beauty brands should know that. 🤷🏼♀️ It’s not a new thing. Urban Decay had a neon palette years ago with the same issue and their disclaimers were very prominent.
that’s not the issue lol. the issue is that they publicly advertised it as an eyeshadow instead of a pressed pigment and purposely tried to hide the warnings labels KNOWING that there are big risks for their consumers, which is quite literally illegal 🥴 can’t believe you missed the point THIS badly
Um the problem wasn't that, the problem was that it is hidden under a label. All they need to do is declare it clearly amd visibly that it's a pressed pigment, and include the warning not under a hidden label.
....I've been a make up artist (and hair stylist as primary) for 16 years and never really knew the difference between pressed pallets that are set up just like eye shadow products... I feel so lied to but also feel better about the fact that I typically use those pressed pigment pallets for lips more than eye shadows. I'm surprised James is doing this story instead of Robert. Wonderful job James! 👏 💜🖤💜
There's a lot of eyeshadow palettes that indicate that certain shades should not be used in the eye area or immediate eye area... ColourPop for one has many palettes that state this, along with ABH Norvina palettes, and even Morphe to name a few that I know of.
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WOOHOO! Loved working with you on this James! Great video as always ❤️❤️
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment on this! There was so much information 😂💜
Thank you for working with James on these videos!! Your input makes this so so much better!
We love a chemist we do! Xx
My goodness, girl! You are so smart! I’m just in awe of you! This sounds so stupid but I’m so proud of you lol! I LOVE to see women killing it! 💕
Absolutely great work there. I knew it was a complex area but who knew there were all those tests etc. I take it that things that have been historically found safe are not repeat tested on animals as this is a hideous practice and nobody should be using brands that still test already safe chemicals on living creatures. People have to take some responsibility for what they use so that this doesnt continue happening until the end of time. If people were just educated a little on what products they use, practices such as animal testing can be left in the past.
I was in a really bad car accident and the first thing I did once I got the hospital was take pictures of my injuries as best I could. Even on pain meds I knew I needed picture proof of how bad I was injured to help get the point across in court when I went to sue the guy who caused the accident. Pictures are worth more than a thousand words.
@@peps1943 I didn’t take the pictures of the car accident. A witness asked me if I wanted them too and at the hospital a nurse saw me struggling to take pictures of my broken wrist so he helped with that part
Omg take good care of yourself
♥♥
Smart. Im so sorry people can be such shit drivers. Ive just started driving at 18 and in ONE night i had two cars not use their turn signal almost hit the front of my car (i slowed down when i saw them coming over thank god i pay attention) and one person we were side by side he tried to pull into my lane and he was so close he almost hit my mirror he looked over saw me and quickly turned back. After that he sped up so much over the speed limit and nearly hit other cars in front of me. Like wtf
I didn’t think of that when I took my foot injury pictures. But now that I’m going into legal discussions for my settlement they will definitely come in handy!
When RawbeautyKristi did her collab with colorpop, there was a shade in the palette that was a pressed pigment, and I remember her videos being REALLY clear about it. Basically "these are all eyeshadows, but this one right here is a pressed pigment, not an eyeshadow. It might cause staining, it might cause irritation, it is not FDA approved for the eye. All these? Eyeshadows. This one? Use on your eye at your own risk. I'm gonna use it on my eye at my own risk, that's a choice I'm making".
I know it's a safe pigment, I know colorpop puts a bunch of R&D time into making sure they're safe, and Kristi herself had made videos about exactly what "pressed pigments" are and why they exist before that collab, but I really appreciated the like...over the top transparency that went beyond what would be necessary to legally cover her arse.
It's truly only because the FDA is archaic asf though. Rest of the world doesn't need to disclaim their souls away about simple pressed pigments. Like...the true issue here is the FDA and how they're not only light-years behind on health and safety, but also horridly, historically corrupt.
I absolutely agree and remember that video of hers and thinking how great she did explaining and making sure we understood. Also I’ve used that color and it did not stain my eye, eye makeup remover took it right off. But I still respected the info she gave us. It’s not hard, Huda was shady af w this lol
@@g1ng3rsn4ps but can we talk about the fact that when you try to order vitamins from usa to uk it will get stopped at customs and you wont be able to get it because it is not approved here in Europe? A lot of colorants and ingredients used in product in the us are not safe in Europe. This is bizarre😂
@Cam I could not have said this better myself! Unfortunately, all of this is spot on. The FDA isn't here to protect people. In fact, it gas approved drugs that kill people on a routine basis. It is responsible for approving opioid drugs that have caused countless deaths and addiction.
Sure, but then why is it in an eyeshadow pallet?? Lol
It shouldn't be included in anything with that label.
Rolondo probably had an allergic reaction, scratched it, got an infection like staph or strep which can cause an ulceration - a hole in the skin. The pigment story reminded me of that one girl who got full body stained pink by a Lush bath bomb.
Ah yes I wish I wouldve known about the bath bombs beforehand....i went to the pool looking like Pink Panther lol
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Idk if it’s the same girl, but wasn’t it a bath oil that she used like a bath bomb? I remember at least one incident with the bath oil because I own the product and it’s meant to be used in small amounts and not all at once.
I used a lush bathbomb that didn’t dye my skin but it tinted my hair pink (I have platinum blonde hair). It washed out after 3-4 days so I loved it! But I couldn’t ever find that bath bomb ever again once I looked. I wanted to tint my hair again haha!
@@annalisanorman9013I worked at lush back in the day, the solid oils are really small, it was probably a melt which are bigger and meant to be broken into a lot of pieces. The melts are stronger in scent and pigment since you really are ment to use them in small pieces but still get a really nice relaxing bath with them. It’s like that girl on TikTok who used the massage bar in her shower… the one with like actual red beans in it, and she was like “I bought this lush soap and it ruined my shower. There’s plants growing out of my shower!” I just face palmed so hard because lush makes a big deal of having the employees explain the products as best as possible since they don’t have individual packaging, you can get a booklet with all the information for the products and also easily found online since the company is big about being green.
Colourpop always puts this disclaimer on their products that include pressed pigments and glitters. But theirs are very much visible, that being said their stuff has NEVER stained my skin, and im am the palest of the pale fair skin.
So, he started having an allergic reaction, kept using the product, then scratched a hole through his skin (while sleeping or whatever), then sued SEPHORA (not the product's actual brand or manuracturer, because, deeper pockets?).
Sounds dumb. Stop using a product, if it causes any irritation or allergic reaction.
Also, if you're going to sue them, why wouldn't you GO TO A DOCTOR??! Your case will be stronger if you have a medical diagnosis and if you win you can get those fees covered. It makes no sense to me!
@@emmalinekim9822 fr the fact that you have a hole in your face and your first instinct is to contact a LAWYER is wild to me lol. and uhh did he not take any pictures?? i couldn't find any either and are we just... supposed to take his word for it? lol wut
@@skrittle555 literally if ANYTHING burnt a hole in my face I would call poison control, go to the ER, see a doctor... ANYTHING to fix my face before I called a lawyer!! Good lesson for all of us though. If something like this ever happens, document everything.
Exactly, 99% off brands would refund if you had any issues only a few uses in.
You have to figure out what causes the reaction... Took awhile to figure out I get a reaction to retinol
James: I'm not the make up artist twin excuse me.
Some people: wait twins?
James and Robert: we are not the same person
I found myself subscribed to both not paying attention to first names I was sure there was only one of them and literally last week I found out they were twins.
@@alexisgrey3633 on their shared channel they start their videos with a reminder that they are not the same person. I found them on Facebook videos one day, both same day and it took me a bit to realize it was twins.
@@bboops23 yeah they say it at the start of their videos, they're really funny on there.
@@alexisgrey3633 i think i found james first, and then when i watched a video of robert's i was like 'wait when did he get a scar on his eyebrow? wait, wasn't his name james...?'
It was ages before I realized they weren’t the same person! Before I subscribed, I kept getting recommended their videos, so I would watch each here and there thinking they were the same. I don’t think I learned they were twins until they did a collab video and I saw double!
Not the case for the eye hole guy, but I just wanted to throw this out there regarding patch testing & allergies: it is absolutely possible to develop an allergy to a product you've been using for a while. My own little anecdote - I adore the Belif brand & used multiple products of theirs on a daily basis for years with great results. Last year, my skin took a sudden downturn: miserably tight, itchy skin with lots of pimples, constantly chapped & bleeding lips despite liberal lip balm usage, and an ever-worsening, flaking rash around the perimeter of my face. Since nothing had changed in my skincare routine/life in general, I was tearing my hair out trying to determine the cause. After a lot of misery & my face reaching a level of severity where I was in constant pain just speaking & emoting, and it was difficult to even leave my house, I finally found out that it was my beloved Belif products that were the cause. Apparently most/all of Belif products contain added fragrances (limonene, geraniol, linalool) that oxidize when exposed to air, and the resultant oxidized compounds can be sensitizing/allergenic. My guess is that, with the onset of the pandemic, since I was wearing makeup/leaving the house/applying certain products from my routine less frequently, they had more time to oxidize once opened (despite still being well-within their expiration periods), triggering a fun new allergy. I've since switched to a completely fragrance-free routine that's been serving me well. Basically, while patch testing is absolutely a good idea, still be aware that an allergy can rear its ugly head after long-term use. Beware potentially sensitizing & allergenic ingredients!
I agree totally! I recently purchased the Belif Aqua Bomb Poolside Hydration starter kit, because I've always heard such great things about this line. Unfortunately, my skin did not like it at all. So I read the ingredients and saw the added fragrances that you mentioned as well as denatured alcohol. Upon researching these ingredients further, I learned about the oxidizing component of the fragrances which can cause allergies. Also, denatured alcohol strips the natural oils from your skin, disrupting the skin barrier. This not only means more moisture can escape (AKA your skin will be dryer), but also that more irritants can permeate, increasing the likelihood of redness and sensitivity.
I'm usually really vigilant about reading ingredient lists and doing research before purchasing and using products, but I admit that I got sucked in by all the glowing recommendations and marketing, and just assumed that since it was Korean, it had to be good, lol. Definitely a big take away for me is to do your own research and listen to your skin, regardless of how long you've used a product, or what anyone else may be saying or doing.
I can’t use any Belif products because they are so irritating. I recently started using a product from Laneige called Cream Skin toner and moisturizer. It’s fragrance free and I looove it.
@@nikki271 I'm still looking for a good fragrance free toner and moisturizer. I will definitely try the Laneige line. Thanks so much for the recommendation!
@@rhema5998 I’ve tried another product from Laneige before and had a horrible reaction, but I think the new Cream Skin products are all fragrance free and hypoallergenic. I think I may order the mist too during a sale!
Also, if you have eye eczema, patch testing on your wrist will not work
A video on the controversies and lawsuits surrounding eyelash serums…..?! Please?! 😭😊
Ohhhhhh this is in the works!!! 💜
oooh yes!
Yes, please!
before I buy one! haha I've been looking into these lately
Don't buy latisse. That's the one with the risks. "Careprost" is the generic brand but I wouldn't trust that either.
I remember reading years ago about an Indian version that just had the bimatoprost active ingredient in it (without having all the extra crap that Latisse has in it) but I never did get around to buying it. XD
Staining doesn’t mean irritation. I have been using pressed pigments around my eyes for yearssssssss and never had a bad reaction (the specific neon obsessions from huda beauty and different eyeshadows from many other brands). Of course not everyone’s skin is going to react the same way so 🤷♀️
The FDA has these pigments banned for a couple of reasons, both of which I personally find silly. Firstly, they did a study (in like to 50s or something it's ancient) where they put high concentrations of the pigments directly into the eyes of mice and it caused irritation. Literally no one is using eyeshadow like that! Secondly, they classify staining as "dyeing" and they don't permit cosmetic products to dye the immediate eye area. In my opinion, temporary staining isn't the same as dyeing. It just seems like outdated standards that should be updated to reflect current research and understanding. And I also totally agree! Staining isn't itchy or painful or bumpy--it just looks a lil silly.
I have used Peter Thomas Roth products for fifteen years. Love everything and continue to buy them from QVC since they have payments and Peter's products are spendy. They have customer's reviews too and not one case like this one and there have been hundreds of satisfied users.. My skin is looking great. Sorry someone was sensitive. But burning a hole through the skin the first use is not possible. I've used Retin A which is very strong and comes only by prescription and it may have burned my skin til dry, but not a hole . Just so you all know.
Tip to keep pressed pigments from staining: use a good lid primer (primer not concealer), also clean with a cleansing balm. I never have staining & I use almost nothing but bright pressed pigments lol.
Do you have a primer you recommend?
^^ i would also love to know what eye primers you’d recommend!
Idk, I used primer and my eyes would still get itchy with this palette. Unfortunately I missed the deadline for the lawsuit so no money for me 👎🏼
@@allana1997 I used to love p.loiuse but the last couple of years I have been using the one from Gerard Cosmetics, they have sales on their website all the time & I feel like it just feels less heavy on my skin as the p.liouse & doesn't feel as dry. I also double cleanse starting with a cleansing balm (which I will often pair with a makeup eraser type cloth on my eyes, gently of course) then my normal cleanser. Doing those things has helped me not have a single stain in years 😁
@@danijones8314 see my comment above 😊
the barely-noticeable peel-off sticker and the “mm but don’t” absolutely killed me - and on this, the non-makeup artist twin’s channel 😂
As a safety assessor for personal care products and toxicologists, I can say most products on the market, especially from big brands are going to have safety assessment reports for the formulas so the product matches the regulations and the company will be protected when it's taken to court.
also, a lot of smaller brands don't do this safety assessment and that can result in lengthy court battles, big brands won't fa'' for this and the safety reports of the products are always prepared to be presented in court and the company will be okay.
companies can not create a 100% safe and 0% allergy because it is not the fault of the ingredients but actually your immune system and how unique it is.
Why doesn't this have more likes?!?! Sometimes it's not the product, it's your skin.
@@cniknik9863 thank you, i am trying to explain this all the time on my channel but people say oh you sided with the companies too much or i am Getting paid, but that's the truth most of the time it's your unique skin response not the product
@@cniknik9863 Seriously tho. I know people in real life with the weirdest allergies, and the solution is not lawsuits- it's being aware and vigilant about managing your allergies, and reacting quickly to anything out of the ordinary. IDK about anyone else but if I get a rash, especially on my face, I'm gonna start trying to narrow down what's been on my face recently that could be causing a reaction.
This!! 100% THIS!!
My degree is in Human Science & we've definitely covered topics like this...& because of my studies in this subject, i can concur that u are RIGHT.
Thank u for writing this!
I love this series! I’m studying liability at the moment and was just learning about joint liability (in Canada anyways) for manufacturers and retailers. Also negligence! Super cool to see a real life example in something I actually care about lol
Ohhh I’m glad your enjoying it!!! Ohhhhhhhh are you studying law?!
@@JamesWelsh awhh sort of! Very specifically, law in regards to insurance and how insurance will respond. It’s actually a lot more interesting than it sounds, but it’s quite dry sometimes... it’s great that I can also basically use your vids to help learn! 💜💜💜💜 love your content and energy James, please never stop creating!!
That's so cool!
In the US, you can also sue anyone in the chain of sale
@@JamesWelsh so happy to see you post!!💜💜💜💜💜
The Monat Haircare lawsuits would be a great one to cover.
YES! That company is vile.
Monat are a Multi Level Marketing company, aren't they?
I'm a court employee and as soon as you said there were no exhibits (statements from a doctor/dermatologist, photographs of the damage, etc) I knew where it was going 😅 I will be shocked if the judgment is made in favor of the plaintiff.
Lol I think that's why he only asked for damages in the amount of 500k and his attorney was banking that it would settle. I was anticipating it would be higher if the claim was actually more legit
@@missalicesmiles yeah but I can't believe any attorney thinks they'll actually get anything from this... unless I'm missing something and maybe some documents are sealed but just based off what James is saying, it sounds like there's literally no proof at all. It just seems silly lol
@@sadezem991 I'm sure there was more. Otherwise, the defense could have filled a motion to dismiss or msj
@@missalicesmiles with a case like this, they absolutely could file a motion to dismiss but most judges will require a hearing regardless just ime. I probably wouldn't even bother. I'll be interested to see what the outcome is, if it's not sealed.
No pictures. No reports. Even the lawsuit was over the top with the accusations. The wording makes it pretty impossible to be taken seriously in my non professional opinion
thank you for saying it can cause "irritation and staining" because literally no one knows these can irritate your eyes. we've seen videos where people had reactions to using these shades and then freak out like there's something awful in the product. there actually used to be information about it on the FDA's website under cosmetic ingredients but i haven't been able to find it again.
never mind i commented too soon lol you addressed the reactions
FDA: don't use the pigment on the eyes!
Huda beauty: Use it on the eyes (but don't 😉)
Me: STAYC girls, it's goin down 👁️👄👁️
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO RECOGNIZED THE INTRO FROM STAYC IRUN2U😭😭
i noticed this too i was like 😮
I always had powder in my eyes and nose, istg.
I would 100% believe this tbh. Dragon's blood is a type of essential oil - very much a group of known irriatants - and once that should not be used in high concentrations on *any* skin. When I spilled a few drops onto my lower thigh (a large, fatty area covered in fairly thick skin often used for Subcutaneous injections), I had red rash marks from it that itched for a few days. The redness itself took about a week to go down. I cannot stress enough I do not have sensitive skin in any sense of the word either. I would imagine putting something like that on the soft, thin, fragile skin of the eye could very possibly cause what he claimed if he had sensitive skin.
Aside from Huda trying to hide that the Neon palettes had pressed pigments, which particularly with red ones you should always patch test to see if they cause eye irritation, these palettes all together were not that good. I don't know how they made the green one look like it did in the promo pics, bc the even with layering and layering I was just barely able to get a faint green colour show on my eye lids and I have a fair skin tone. The shimmers were just dry and had trouble sticking even with a glitter primer. Based on the reviews the pink and red ones were very hard to work with (patchy and not blending), even for ppl who had experience in using pressed pigment shadows.
Maybe there’s something wrong with me but when something I use doesn’t react right on my skin I don’t think let’s sue the bastards shame on them, I just throw it away and note to myself not to use that product again 🤷🏼♀️
If it scars you irreversibly and possibly blinds you, you wouldn't want it to be pulled from shelves and something for your hospital bills? Sometimes, you can have an instant reaction, other times it'll happen after some use.
Its not just that it "didnt react right". It sounds to me like he trusted the brand and so continued with the treatment until it was too late and disfigured him.
Some people don't get so lucky, are left with a permanent, daily reminder of what happened, and want to keep other people from experiencing the same thing they did.
Also, another note, but consumers don't have a lot of recourse except to sue. We write a bad review, it gets taken down by the company's pr department. We can't get money back because it was an "authorized transaction". We can contact the bbb, but who goes to that website?
The only recourse we have as consumers is the law, if we feel like we were wronged by a company/product. He honestly didn't even sue for that much considering he had a hole in his face.
@@ttyngordon only an american would say that... normal people read the ingredients list, check if they are allergic etc... But you just sue everybody bcs reading is sooo damn hardddd 😭 not everyone has the same reaction, it makes 0 sense to just ban an item just cus someone has allergy...
Same. I have very sensitive skin. I love fresh rose eye gel and hydrating pads like James uses.
James, I love this series!!!! Canada is the worst for allowing products in, such as Paula’s Choice, Krave, Nimya and probably many more. I can truthfully say I’ve never done a patch test, ever so surprise surprise when my face peeled off using the Drunk Elephant retinol stuff.
Yeah I’m always shocked when I see brand change their inci list for Canada! I’m pretty sure tranexamic acid is not allowed in cosmetics in Canada?!
@@JamesWelsh Inkey List's Tranexamic Acid Hyperpigmentation Treatment is available in Canada. I think you might be thinking of retinoids? The Ordinary, for example, is no longer allowed to sell its own retinoid products in Canada. I've had to buy from the US. I think one would need a prescription from a dermatologist in order to have access to retinoids. That change happened a few years ago.
I can’t wear drink elephants B hydration serum & their lala retro - my face turns bright red & burns after 1 use.
as a Canadian, I can wholeheartedly agree! I've wanted to get stuff from Peach and Lily but getting it to Canada is soooo much! Do keep an eye out on Paula's choice, and sign up for their newsletter! They offer free shipping to subscribers sometimes, and that includes to Canada (at least in my province)!
Oh no, what's the issue with Nimya?
This series is soooo good. Sippin tea and being educated at the same time ♥️♥️
So glad you like it! 😍💜
Was the Huda Beauty palette sold in stores? Cause how where you supposed to remove the sticker in store before buying to know that you couldn't use the palette for what you intended? I can't imagine the store would have been too happy if you take the packaging apart.
The whole way they went about this is insane and it's so odd to me that they might get away with a court paper that says they did nothing wrong. Shouldn't the FDA make it clear to beauty brands that this behavior is unacceptable?
Also personally if I know a product has ingredients that are not approved for use on the eye area (in my own or another country) I probably wouldn't use it. I don't care who's right, I just rather not take that risk. There are so many perfectly fine alternatives.
The reason it’s considered not safe for the eye area in the US is just because of staining. That’s it. I think the best option is for the FDA to get with the times and stop unnecessarily worrying consumers about minor, very temporary staining.
Sure, for legal reasons Huda should have made the “not intended for use in the immediate eye area” more prominent, but she shouldn’t have to put it on the palette in the first place. These pigments are safe, and the EU recognizes that. We should too.
@@MsCarterElise I live in the EU and if my eyes would be stained for days and I wasn't informed that could happen I wouldn't be happy with that brand. Just because you can technically use it doesn't mean you should do that to your customers.
Also weather you agree with the law or not doesn't make it ok to circumvent a country's law by promoting the product to be used on the eyes and then put a sticker under another sticker in a way that almost no one will ever find it saying actually don't use it on the eyes. Consumers shouldn't be ok with something like this and regulators should protect their consumers from such practices.
@@Eeveelyn I guess I just think “may cause staining” is less alarmist than “not intended for the immediate eye area” because unlike glitter, for example, we know these pigments are safe. That’s my issue. Was what Huda did shady? Absolutely. But staining isn’t dangerous, and it isn’t the end of the world. It is at most inconvenient, and the possibility of staining should be made clear to consumers. But by requiring companies to put “not intended for the immediate eye area” on a product that definitely can be put on the eyelid safely, it puts companies in a very strange position.
Additionally, many of these pigments that stain do so because they are vegan and made without carmine. I personally am much more bothered by the prospect of putting crushed up bugs on my eyelids than I am something that might stain. We should be encouraging this easy switches away from carmine, not unnecessarily frightening consumers.
I’m all for strenuous regulation of all consumer goods. I just think this is a place where the FDA has not kept up with the times.
I love when you say “supposedly, allegedly, for legal reasons” 😂😂😂
When it comes to under eye skin, patch testing isn’t fool proof. While it can alert you to an allergic reaction, sensitivity is much higher on the delicate orbital zone. I’ve never had any type of problems with my facial skin, my under eyes are so reactive though. Love you darling💜
Very true. I usually do patch tests on my wrists but my under eyes are far more sensitive.
@@missbeaussie yep yep🤗
Apparently, when they made this bottle, PTR left out the “free” and just made Laser Eye Serum.
I really like these videos of yours. i hope you continue to do them... no matter who may be in the wrong the supplier or the consumer. This video stressed the importance of making sure you are not allergic to something.
but I do find them really interesting. maybe you can even go over really old cases maybe even from the 70's 80's or 90's. that might be really interesting to go over, and most likely those cases would be closed. To see if any of them changed ingredients used or help pave the way to the safety standards we have today.
I have sensitive skin. I tried a Murad eye cream that I got with a subscription box. Used it and it dried out my skin and swelled up my eyes bad. I stopped using it like a smart person. Now I get basic thin eye creams like the one from E.L.F.
I LOVE murad, but my skint self waits til I get their products in a subscription box cos I can't justify the cost.
I have had multiple eye surgeries due to a medical anomaly I’m battling, so I’m super excited to hear what eye products you enjoy! 🥰
That eye look is edgy, editorial, and avant garde. Someone tell Robert that James is coming for his crown!! 🖤💜
I would LOVE to see LabMuffin Beauty to get involved in this series too!!! Really appreciate James reaching out to chemists to get a professional opinion from someone who can analyze the makeup of products and the likelihood of reactions occuring because of poor formulations.
The thing I've learned about make up and skin care is there is always a chance for a reaction. It really comes down to the person, the medication in their system, body chemistry, and other issues. If something reacts bad, take it off and don't use it again.
Allergic reactions are really terrifying but they aren't the companies' fault unless they were purposefully misleading (like I can't count the things that had "corn free" label on the packaging, but also contained unlisted corn hidden unlisted under the "natural flavors" umbrella of the ingredients. I'm so lucky I'm not anaphylactic.)
I actually found Peter Thomas Roth through Lovely Skin (a company my mom gets all her skincare from) and I LOVE the pumpkin enzyme scrub, my skin is dry and sensitive and it’s a beautiful combination of chemical and physical exfoliation that I love
Love love the pumpkin mask by Peter Thomas Roth. Just wish it wasn't so spendy.
James can you please add deva curl to this series? I’ve always been curious about how those law suits played out
And this is why we have to have warning labels on hair dryers telling you not to use them in the bath….
Do people not under that allergic reactions exist? It’s like the eos lip balm scandal. There was an ingredient that a lot of people can have a reaction too (I’m pretty sure an essential oil). It doesn’t mean that it’s a bad product that requires a warming label.
Just wanted to say I'm loving this series! In my opinion. Allegedly.
I'm truly SO over the pressed pigment drama. The US FDA is overly cautious about them and they're perfectly fine in Europe per the European Medicines Agency. They're safe they just can stain.
Often when we come up against issues like this (and I’m thinking specifically about sunscreens, too) it comes down to funding. The FDA doesn’t have the necessary funding to update guidelines on every product. They are barely keeping up with their current workload because they are so vastly underfunded. I personally look at how the entire world handles controversial products like this and take my guidance from the general consensus. We should consider who has the most recent research and see what conclusions they come to.
Or. We could fund the FDA adequately and save unknown numbers of lives.
But probably we won’t. 😢
I use the Peace Out Retinol Eye Stick and I’m 99% sure that it’s doing something my typical eye creams have never been able to do. Plus the application process is so SO easy under makeup. Very good!
Had my eye on that (see what i did there?) product for a ong time, don't tempt me ;)
@@noortjelief1987 I say go for it. I lie about my age but I never lie about skincare!
Bish thanks I’ve been going back and forth about purchasing this item I have expensive asf eye creams and feel as if none of them do dada or just feel basic
@@CreekSideLagotto 😅
Peace Out? Is that the same brand that has those pimple patches that Target carries?? Where can you buy the stick you are talking about?
See… the Huda Beauty issue wouldn’t be one if they were more clear about the warnings, and didn’t try to hide them inside the packaging + purposely making the instructions to peel the label super small. Also they advertised it as EYESHADOW instead of pressed pigments, which is misleading, and is completely Huda Beauty’s fault. Overall, this is all on Huda Beauty for their failure to communicate the risks, and the false advertising.
I love James being a stayC stan!!!
8:01 "I don't know how law works,I'd probably just get some vouchers" 🤣🤣🤣
Having problems with Beauty Bay too, but I ordered just some candles so I will just wait and hope they will arrive to me... eventually. The pandemic taught me to be much more patient about shopping online, that's for sure 0.o
Hooo boy, this is why it's so important to research ingredients so you know how they interact, how they're used, and how they can affect the skin, as well as patch testing. Reactions are so individual that it really does fall to the consumer to be aware and be informed.
I can honestly believe a product would "burn" a hole in someone's face. I have an extreme allergy to adhesives that increases in intensity with stronger adhesives, and it actually causes tissue breakdown and I end up with massive open sores. So I can honestly believe this happened to this poor guy, but as the chemist said, a patch would've helped him to see the effects. I honestly steer clear of fragrances and natural extracts, as they are known to be irritating to some people, especially those with sensitive skin.
The only thing Huda did wrong in my opinion, was not state clearly it was a pressed pigment palette. As for the promotional videos, photos and articles, so many other brands use pressed pigment palettes on the eyes, so I don’t see the problem there. Unless we can sue them as well 🤨
Perfect timing since recently I tried an eye cream and all the next day my eye was cloudy and stung. No more for me!
@@Lilpeach3sz It was the Glow Recipe but I usually love their stuff so not sure what caused it.
@@SandraMorris51 ohhhh the retinol one?!
@@JamesWelsh Yeah. It was a bit unsettling. I was ok after I stopped using it
@@SandraMorris51 yeah I had to work slowly using that. I don’t use retinol around my eyes so when I first got it, I used once a week and worked my way up!
@@SandraMorris51 Did some of the product migrate into your eye?
Damn. Mad appreciation for you paying to read the legal docs for your videos.
I love these vids and your take on the situation ❤❤❤
Loving this series. Ah so that's why I saw those huda palettes in TK Maxx....!
This is exactly why I have not bought anything from Huda since 2019. They do have all the financial resources and to do some shady shit (no pun) and not take ownership is unacceptable. ❤️U
I have yet to have brought a Huda product. She honestly always gave me sneaky/ dishonest vibes
Ngl the huda palette is one my favourites that I own!😂
I think as more makeup brands move towards been fully vegan, alot of brands use press pigments rather than shadows, I just thought that was known, I no full well if I use a pink/red eyeshadow I'm gonna have staining, it's just the risk you take🤔🙄
So much respect for the research you put into these videos, James. 👏🏼Thanks for keeping us informed! I also like when you provide for us snippets of what was going on in 2017. I too remember where I was when I didn’t understand what SpaceX was doing.
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Thank you so much! I actually enjoy doing the research for these videos so much!! Is there anyone who doesn’t remember where they were when they didn’t know what spaceX was doing?
The only thing I've ever found horrifying about PTR products is their price tag 😬 they have some OK products in my opinion but they aren't justified by their price
I kinda agree. Even glow recipe, Saturday skin, and Youth to the people ain’t that pricey lol
@@LiveLaughLovecraft Saturday Skin👀🕵 Do you mean Sunday Riley??? 🤔 -Mercy(sorry for the name confusion i am on my dad's phone at the moment)
Agreed. I bought a mask (during a sale) based on a really good review for something I really needed for my skin and while I enjoy using it, I def won’t be repurchasing because it’s just not worth the price point.
14:15 HELP THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IM HEARING THAT YOURE INTO KPOP SO NOW UR INTROS MAKE SENSE OML!!! IVE LITERALLY BEEN FREAKING OUT FOR THE PAST WEEK BECAUSE OF YOUR VIDS HAHHAHAHAHA
Interesting.
I tried a 5% lactic acid exfoliator on my face and body. I did TWO patch tests and was fine. My skin barrier is still recovering from the horrific breakout I got, it was painful, inflamed, weeping. On my body, I have an ENORMOUS painful raised rash that I am still struggling with, two months later.
Some products are just not for everyone, not necessarily an allergy.
And patch testing a lot of times is a miss you really cannot patch test something on inner arms, some products could only irritate after a significant period of use, some like eye creams would cause adverse reaction to your around eye area but mot when you patch test anywhere else
I clicked so fast to make sure it wasn't one of the eye creams I've used 🤡💜
Omg I used a sample of this I remember the dragon blood and it was red.
I disagree about patch testing because I have suffered all week with a swollen eyelid from using a serum for my face on my eyelid that I have used for years on my face. The skin of your eyelid can be allergic but not your face or arm.
@@SingingAesthetician agreed. Skin on my face is terribly allergic to benzoyl peroxide but my body is fine. Learned that the hard way.
I saw the title and literally looked at my eye cream on the vanity 😂😂😂 I was scared
@@malikagirl yes absolutely and there are known eyelid irritants and companies are putting them in products anyway. My eyelids have been destroyed by terribly made moisturizers, serums, cleansers, sunscreen and eyeshadows. I don’t think not patch testing should be an Ace in the hole of every skincare company. My face can’t take lots of things my body can.
I really really dislike Huda Beauty. Not only did I have all three neon palettes I also got serious skin staining from them and completely discontinued using the whole brand. Huda has proven to steal other small businesses ideas and concepts and this deceptive practice with the palettes. It all just became a big no for me and that brand is on my never buy again list.
I think that a lot of those "the eyeshadow/pressed pigment made my eyes itchy" are caused when removing it. I mean - if you have a light stain and you rub it like crazy of course it will itch and be sore. If you rub you skin raw of course it will hurt and be red. 🙄🙄
Pressed pigments can stain eyes depending on the colour. It’s funny that you can sue for this😭
Ikr???
@peny---💌 what???
@peny---💌 why do I see you everywhere :")
@peny---💌 we don’t care
Yeah there are soooo many brands that use that neon pink/red pigment that stains, I find it funny that it was huda that got in trouble for it?
"I'm not the makeup artist twin..." LOL
My skin reacts to niacinamide, but not always: it depends on % and formulation. And I read that many people have this reaction to it. The problem is that not all products have % stated on the packaging and niacinamide is in everything these days. I wouldn't be surprised to see it in toilet paper soon.
Since it's a known irritant, I wish all producers were obligated to state the percentage on the packaging.
This would make life so much easier for me. I'm allergic to some of the most common ingredients in skin care that are "all natural" but coconut won't cause major reactions if it's in a very small amount. So if it's the third ingredient, I usually can't buy it. Problem is... If it was a drop and everything behind it is also in such tiny amounts, I could probably tolerate it. "Probably".
Although I loved BH Cosmetics most of their palettes are considered pressed pigment palettes so I always patch test and use an eyeshadow base that is tinted to act as a layer to protect my eyes. The formula is amazing but staining is probable if you don’t test and prep. And yet I’ve never heard of anything negative about their formula - now that Makeup Revolution bought the brand I’m curious if they’ll keep the same manufacturers so that they continue to use the pressed pigment formulas for their palettes.
Eye cream burning a hole in your eye? Sounds like SkinUp to me 👁
I love Peter Thomas Roth, they had the only face wash that got rid of my acne and moisturizer that didn't make me oily or break out. The BAD thing about the brand, they get rid of their best sellers! Ridiculous! I had to find a whole new brand again bc they discontinued everything that I used, that were all 5⭐ top sellers
Same thing happened to me when Perricone MD revamped their brand & got rid of my entire routine after my using it for 3 years. They're out of Sephora now so I can still buy but I had to look elsewhere for most products. After a year, I finally found a good regimen but damn that was a pain!
THE RUN 2 YOU SAMPLE IN THE BEGINNING 😭
The second one is so shady. She knowingly mislead her consumers and put them at risk on purpose
Hey James!! A super sensitive skincare lover here! I find it hard to love skincare where i can get mild allergic reactions to 99% of all fragrances, so could you PLEASE make a video with fragrance free and possibly allergy tested skincare alternatives? That would be an amazing help to the allergy skincare community!
Try haruharu wonder range x
But why on earth would you keep using a product after you’ve already got red bumps and irritated skin?? Sounds like he wanted a quick way get rich - and then failed, since he didn’t even have proof🙄
Yeap I agree!! nothing in this formulation could actually burn through your skin!
Sometimes people get reactions in the first few days that calm down, if it was an expensive product I can kind of understand but the no photos is Sus.
I immediately stop using any product that itritates my skin in the slightest. I might try it again after some research to make sure that I'm not mixing things that shoildnt be, checking if the reaction is normal, and looking at different sequencing of my other products before / if I will try it again.
Examples: I stopped retinol after the initial breakout before learning that the retinol pullrge is real and trying again, and I have several other products that I sometimes over use so ill take a couple of days with other gentler products before reintroducing the more intense ones. Its nit hard to respect your skin and irritating products
I had no idea about the pressed pigments and I immediately went and checked on a palette I was going to order and the disclaimer not to use it around the eyes was there! Definitely not buying it now. Thanks for the information and keeping my eyes and skin safe!
it’s still a safe product - it’ll probably just stain, there is more possibility of a reaction but if you do a patch test you should be fine
My guess is the retinyl palmitate, if his skin is sensitized to retinol I could 1000% see how a reaction like that happened. I’m personally really sensitive to retinol and I’ve had my eyes swell up and get scaly and itchy from using retinol on the rest of my face and then later managing to rub my skin to somehow spread it too close to my eyes. But that’s a REACTION that happens to ME. I know not to use retinol or to use it very sparingly with patch testing, any reaction I have after that point is due to my own poor choices not the product.
Absolutely loved this, super fun video! I hope you branch out to do more things similar to this, it's really interesting to have a pros opinion on these incidents
I absolutely love this series!!
Thank you!!
Me too!!
I love these series ! You do such a wonderful job breaking it down
I am sure that Huda doesn’t even use her own products (besides the times when she films something to promote it)😂😂😂
That hidden warning on the huda beauty eyeshadow palette was so unhinged. Its like someone selling me eyeshadow only to hide the label that says I'm putting mace in my eyes.
James I love ya ❤️🔥 never ever stop making videos please. Thank you
Thank you so muuuuch 😍
I’ve had the green and pink neon palettes from Huda, too! I never used them but wow! I thought it was an eye shadow! I’m shocked!
I don't have problems with the green one. But I avoid putting the shimmers too close because when they get inside the eye it's hurts a bit. But when used correctly it's fine. Not the best but usable
I love the new intro song. I guess you liked Run2u by StayC!! This format of informative content is also really interesting to watch so thank you for the efforts^^
STAYC are by far my current favourite girl group. Not a single one of their comebacks has disappointed me
The only Peter Thomas Roth products i have ever used are from the laser free line and i really liked this eye serum. I was pretty knew to using skincare beyond moisturizer and face wash at the time so it might not have been that good. lol i always wondered why it wasn't hyped up more.
Please do a video on the entire eye cream brand that deserves its own video! 😳
This happened to me with the Violet Voss Sweet Violet palette and I never understood why it stained my poor little eye lids 🫠 Thank you for showing me the light 💜 😅
damn, you got me buying contacts at the drop of a hat haha. I keep wanting nice coloured contacts but it's actually hard with hazel eyes because they're already naturally multicoloured and light so fake irises look so weird. Also, not doing prescription again, just can't get contacts for astigmatism
i think the big difference between this and other pallets is now if they have pressed pigments those are listed on the back with stuff like 'may stain and not intended for eye area' so it's not misleading
this is such an amazing series - very happy you found this niche 🥰 can you review the new glow recipe spf?
Thank you so muuuuuch!! Yes!!! The moment it becomes available in the UK I will ☺️💜
@@JamesWelsh ❤️❤️
Robert is either laughing or crying from the way you are applying the eyeshadow.
This is why I worry about trying new products 😬
Always patch test! I personally like to patch test behind my ear or just on my neck. I give 48 hours just to be sure!
I really love this series! it's very informative and made me more aware and careful when trying new skincare and cosmetic products. I'll be looking forward to more informative and educational contents from you, James. Thanks and have a nice day 💜
I've never in my life seen an eye wash that was a bottle and not a machine in a school lab attached to a chemical body washing station...that's very interesting.
A what?
Didn’t know about those re-usable eye patches, thank you for listing it, just ordered me a pair.💋
I wonder if he got a staph infection. He developed an irritation. If he scratched or caused any small abrasion on his face hello bacteria. Staph lives all over our bodies and it can eat away at the skin causing holes to develop. I don't know the circumstances but it sounds like he should have consulted a doctor/dermatologist.
I thought another tab started playing during your intro. I've been listening to STAYC - RUN2U nonstop. LOL
Yasss Stayc Run2U opening so good!!!!
Jamesssss! I ☠️ when you said you laugh when you get nervous. I do this same thing! I remember being about 10 or 11 at my Grandparent's for Christmas. The kids (my cousins and me) were playing games in the dining room when suddenly my great grandpa fell backwards from his recliner. I could hardly contain my laughter, but I laugh when I feel tension or I'm nervous. I swear I got evil looks from everyone! 30 years later, I'm still the same..... just not as bad.
The whole "not to be used around the eye area" is in SO MANY eyeshadow palettes. It's because the eyelid could be stained a bit. She was so dramatic about it, it does NOT mean that something harmful could actually happen! Anybody who knows anything about makeup should know this.
Yes, I was a bit surprised that she had such a big collection but had never heard of a pressed pigment palette, but I'm realizing it's not as common knowledge as I previously thought. I'm assuming Huda thought that knowledge was more common than it actually is too.
Here’s the thing though, the FDA may be wrong in categorizing the pigments as harmful, but a legal determination is a legal determination. Having a whole promotional campaign promoting using the product in a way that is ILLEGAL to promote should be illegal, and beauty brands should know that. 🤷🏼♀️ It’s not a new thing. Urban Decay had a neon palette years ago with the same issue and their disclaimers were very prominent.
that’s not the issue lol. the issue is that they publicly advertised it as an eyeshadow instead of a pressed pigment and purposely tried to hide the warnings labels KNOWING that there are big risks for their consumers, which is quite literally illegal 🥴 can’t believe you missed the point THIS badly
Um the problem wasn't that, the problem was that it is hidden under a label. All they need to do is declare it clearly amd visibly that it's a pressed pigment, and include the warning not under a hidden label.
@@Chachixo If you have "sooo many palettes" but have somehow never come across that dang neon pink that stains, you are officially a BORING PERSON :P
....I've been a make up artist (and hair stylist as primary) for 16 years and never really knew the difference between pressed pallets that are set up just like eye shadow products... I feel so lied to but also feel better about the fact that I typically use those pressed pigment pallets for lips more than eye shadows.
I'm surprised James is doing this story instead of Robert.
Wonderful job James! 👏 💜🖤💜
I can’t hate them for the staining, I would test out crazy colors before using them on my face. My issue is that they knew it was wrong and hid it!
I feel like I remember a similar issue with pressed pigments v. eyeshadow from an indie brand years ago.
STAYC GIRLS??????
There's a lot of eyeshadow palettes that indicate that certain shades should not be used in the eye area or immediate eye area... ColourPop for one has many palettes that state this, along with ABH Norvina palettes, and even Morphe to name a few that I know of.