I love this drill!!! I usually run the Vice Presidente, instead(without the turn). My times average around 6.5, and I'll penalize myself 1.0sec. per miss. This encourages me to shoot it "clean". Very good drill, because it covers a lot of different skills. I also run 3 different variations of the "Bill" drill. I'll admit it... I'm a "drill" addict!!! I've got over 60 drills written down in my little book. I haven't just stood in one spot and "plinked" since I bought myself a shot timer. Range time is soooooo much funner now, and I highly encourage EVERYONE to buy a shot timer. By far the best shooting accessory that you can buy. Drop me a comment, if you would like the other 2 versions of the "Bill" drill.
Best way to shoot this from a tactical standpoint is 1, 1, 2, 1, 1 rounds, reload and then do the same. If you have three targets, it is best to get everyone bleeding ASAP from a single bullet before going back to hit them again. Again, the fastest and best way to tactically shoot this is to shoot the first two targets a single time, then hit the third one twice, then go back and put the second round on each of the other ones prior to the reload.Of course, this may be slightly slower than double, double, double tap, reload, repeat. The importance is to train as much like you would fight in real life.
if you do it that way it is not el presidente. if you want to make up a drill and name it, you are free to do that. however if you would like to run el presidente then you do 2-2-2 reload 2-2-2 thats the standard. its a benchmark drill. which means its used to gauge a shooters skill ie draw, transition, follow up shots etc as far as the importance as much to train like you fight in real life comment - thats absurd and would then suggest that no one should do any training that is not combat specific.. MMA fighters only spar? boxers only box? no - any training would increase skills that then transition to the gunfight and considering less than 1.7ish % of the US population have seen actual combat the odds of it happening to you are so small that it would not even warrant training for it because it is so unlikely, do you train to avoid getting struck by lightening? no, therefore when discussing shooting and training it is most likely for recreational purposes and drills like el presidente can be used to note improvement over time. much like a Fran or Murph workout in crossfit if thats your cup of tea... cheers
Hayabusa 04 I'll agree with you "tactically". But, there are plenty of other drills that emphasize what you're saying. Trust me. I have over 60 drills written down in my little drill book. lol
You are right. If you are only shooting the drill to play and ‘keep score’ you can do it by the book and never worry about real life. I am coming from the perspective of someone who has shot people and been shot in combat several times. I am not someone who shoots for sport. Good for you if you can continue to enjoy shooting for fun and never worry about the reality of shooting something more substantial than cardboard. Your argument just doesn’t apply to me or my peers.
@@ApophaticCartesian8 Maybe so, but I was taught using the Gunsite methods which I also taught when I was an instructor as an LEO. Guess I'm getting old enough I don't recall.
Oliver Allen - makes no sense. Kill him before you are killed. Make your shot count. Making better decisions in self defense is crucial, not some arbitrary self imposed time rules. What if you can run away, what if you have good cover and can call the cops? Last thing you want to give a shit about is a timer/or shooting to kill first.
Jason Byrne . Dude you guys that talk no timer in a gun fight are so wrong. The drills are to increase your skill level and the only metrics we have are accuracy and time. There is no timer in a football game besides the game clock but every team uses timed drills to get better. You are nowhere near the level you could be with that thinking. Also there is a timer in every fight. That’s why there’s a thing called timing in fighting. Fighting is fighting. With guns or hands it’s the same. Putting tactical bullshit limitations on yourself will only hurt your performance.
Remember, this is a drill, not a re-enactment of a gunfight. Drills build skills, so by definition it’s not supposed to be a real life situation. The timer builds stress into the drill, the shots make you think about what you are doing. Repeat after me: this is a training drill, this is a training drill, this is a training drill. It isn’t real life. If you only train in real life you have to have bad guys attacking you, you have to be getting shot at, and folks will likely acquire extra holes in their bodies. Then it’s not training, and nothing you can do to make it so.
@@sqwk2559 Would you prefer a target that shot back? The only purpose of the timer is to introduce that sense of urgency so you can think and act under pressure
One of my favorite drills and unfortunately one which no indoor gun range will let you do. Thanks for this top-notch demonstration.
I like how you broke down the drill into segments to work on individually. I’ll be doing this at Tusco Rifle Club in the very near future.
I love this drill!!! I usually run the Vice Presidente, instead(without the turn). My times average around 6.5, and I'll penalize myself 1.0sec. per miss. This encourages me to shoot it "clean". Very good drill, because it covers a lot of different skills. I also run 3 different variations of the "Bill" drill. I'll admit it... I'm a "drill" addict!!! I've got over 60 drills written down in my little book. I haven't just stood in one spot and "plinked" since I bought myself a shot timer. Range time is soooooo much funner now, and I highly encourage EVERYONE to buy a shot timer. By far the best shooting accessory that you can buy. Drop me a comment, if you would like the other 2 versions of the "Bill" drill.
NICE JUSTIN!! Damn; his hands are HUGE!
You know what that means ;)
PROTIRO Morelia Big gloves
Best way to shoot this from a tactical standpoint is 1, 1, 2, 1, 1 rounds, reload and then do the same. If you have three targets, it is best to get everyone bleeding ASAP from a single bullet before going back to hit them again. Again, the fastest and best way to tactically shoot this is to shoot the first two targets a single time, then hit the third one twice, then go back and put the second round on each of the other ones prior to the reload.Of course, this may be slightly slower than double, double, double tap, reload, repeat. The importance is to train as much like you would fight in real life.
Why not 2-1-2-1?
if you do it that way it is not el presidente. if you want to make up a drill and name it, you are free to do that. however if you would like to run el presidente then you do 2-2-2 reload 2-2-2 thats the standard. its a benchmark drill. which means its used to gauge a shooters skill ie draw, transition, follow up shots etc as far as the importance as much to train like you fight in real life comment - thats absurd and would then suggest that no one should do any training that is not combat specific.. MMA fighters only spar? boxers only box? no - any training would increase skills that then transition to the gunfight and considering less than 1.7ish % of the US population have seen actual combat the odds of it happening to you are so small that it would not even warrant training for it because it is so unlikely, do you train to avoid getting struck by lightening? no, therefore when discussing shooting and training it is most likely for recreational purposes and drills like el presidente can be used to note improvement over time. much like a Fran or Murph workout in crossfit if thats your cup of tea... cheers
Hayabusa 04 I'll agree with you "tactically". But, there are plenty of other drills that emphasize what you're saying. Trust me. I have over 60 drills written down in my little drill book. lol
You are right. If you are only shooting the drill to play and ‘keep score’ you can do it by the book and never worry about real life. I am coming from the perspective of someone who has shot people and been shot in combat several times. I am not someone who shoots for sport. Good for you if you can continue to enjoy shooting for fun and never worry about the reality of shooting something more substantial than cardboard. Your argument just doesn’t apply to me or my peers.
It was cute you were trying to explain the drill to me.
Haha that look and the super dry humor 👍👍
Where can I get the Mike targets?
We didn't see how he did on all of the targets
Highly unlikely I realize, but really wish SIG would introduce a carry revolver line.
How far ?
สีคราม พัทยา 10 yards.
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Hmm, the El-Presidente' I was taught was two to the chest, one to the head?
That is not an El Presidente Drill. What you're thinking of is a Mozambique Drill.
@@ApophaticCartesian8 Maybe so, but I was taught using the Gunsite methods which I also taught when I was an instructor as an LEO. Guess I'm getting old enough I don't recall.
Mountainsky Aerial Photography That one is called the "Mozambique". The goal is under 2.0, from the draw.
Statistically speaking the target should be a black guy. But I do like the target concept
ROFL
Why the timer? I’ve never seen a timer in a gun fight.
Jason Byrne there’s not a timer, but you will agree you can easily run out of time.
Oliver Allen - makes no sense. Kill him before you are killed. Make your shot count. Making better decisions in self defense is crucial, not some arbitrary self imposed time rules. What if you can run away, what if you have good cover and can call the cops? Last thing you want to give a shit about is a timer/or shooting to kill first.
Jason Byrne . Dude you guys that talk no timer in a gun fight are so wrong. The drills are to increase your skill level and the only metrics we have are accuracy and time. There is no timer in a football game besides the game clock but every team uses timed drills to get better. You are nowhere near the level you could be with that thinking. Also there is a timer in every fight. That’s why there’s a thing called timing in fighting. Fighting is fighting. With guns or hands it’s the same. Putting tactical bullshit limitations on yourself will only hurt your performance.
Remember, this is a drill, not a re-enactment of a gunfight. Drills build skills, so by definition it’s not supposed to be a real life situation. The timer builds stress into the drill, the shots make you think about what you are doing.
Repeat after me: this is a training drill, this is a training drill, this is a training drill.
It isn’t real life. If you only train in real life you have to have bad guys attacking you, you have to be getting shot at, and folks will likely acquire extra holes in their bodies. Then it’s not training, and nothing you can do to make it so.
@@sqwk2559 Would you prefer a target that shot back? The only purpose of the timer is to introduce that sense of urgency so you can think and act under pressure
He did not move during reload
9mm is geigh
Blah blah blah as with most of these videos too much talking and then show the result