This was recorded before the new year's presentation as well. The 3rd point I made at the end is for both RELEVANT and COMPLETE decksets. The Lianorn and Drajeweled master decks are reprints with only 1 new card. This would have been great in 2024. But it's 2025 and metagames have already been changing. It may be complete but will it be relevant anymore?
Meta or not, these are decks that are made for new players to get started and the fact that they ARE complete decks makes it encouraging to play since they may not need to be changed drastically. And on the other side, there also may be players who wanted to build Drajeweled and Lianorn back in their prime but didn't have the funds to make the deck back then and still wish to use/own them in some capacity. And to have these decks with their current main boss units all wrapped up together in a $60 set with other goodies to go with it, just makes it that much more appealing. They may not be as relevant as they were in the past, but these particular decks are in no way pushovers. They both can still put up decent fights and can show off their own unique characteristics, which is what you want in a starter product such as these. I also own both of these decks and I find myself practicing with and against them every now and then and I'm surprised on how well they can still do, but I digress. Point is, these Master Decksets seem to be a strong entry point for new players in that they are 1.) fan favorite decks, 2.) complete with the strongest variations of the boss units, and 3.) at a reasonable price with extra goodies to go with the deck. P.S. I believe they are also getting more support in Set 8
I really really think Bushiroad NEEDS to make Vanguard sets have a universal release everywhere. this would keeps the regions the same with releases and avoid the price hikes in EN before sets even come out cause JP has already tested the new cards and have tournament results. It also makes the game more appealing as we wont have to wait months between reveals and releases which will keep hype more alive in the EN community. It's also 2025 at this point, if Bandai can do universal releases with their games then bushiroad definitely can.
I know it's subjective, but it feels like I'm actually playing a game when I play Vanguard. DifferentFight described it best once when he said Vanguard is quite similar to a fighting game, where it's much more focused on attacking and blocking rather than dealing with negations and counterspells. It promotes gameplay rather than restricting or taking it away in some cases.
As someone who came from Yugioh to Vanguard the main reason was that no matter the situation I was in when it was my turn I could still do SOMETHING. I never had a turn where all I could do was draw and pass. It might be as little as turn sidewise but it was still something.
The one thing bushiroad needs to do something about the cards that are getting expensive now. Tizkar is hitting 50 something dollars, dual nation cards hitting close to 70 plus dollars.
I remember finding and picking up Vanguard in 2011 in high school during a format for Yu-Gi-Oh! In the XYZ era that was very expensive it allowed me as a broke high school student to play a game with a tier 1 deck for under $500
@@SpartanTrigger yep exactly! Affordability is such a factor. Even I was playing tier 2 decks in college. Closer to the end of my college years I picked up Bujins and luckily they got good main Bujin support in separate sets lol. More manageable at the time. Slowly became a tier 1 deck.
The EN Vanguard banlist for standard is useless it should not even be a thing at this point we get banlists hitting decks after they are alreadly out of the meta and they just kick them after there already dead.
It’s an insurance thing. One it helps review the cards they just released through tournament play and it helps remove them from taking away from representation of other decks. Yugioh is a good example - They hit the best decks in some capacity but leave just enough to see how well it can hold up against the new releases and for other players to find cards that work well against those decks. And if they really want to push new product they will make the Ban list more prominent. Cards move on and off the list to help push product and formats along. Bushi seems to like this set up and even though Konami receives back lash the players kind of just accepted it as time went on.
Banlist overhaul is the biggest (and easiest) fix Bushiroad could do. In recent years the largest hype and engagement Premium had was that nuke of a like we had 3 years ago when Mori P joined. Since he left both Premium & Standard banlists have been slow and formats have been defined for a long time. Standards had the issue of only 1 or 2 decks being top dog then the next format starts and they just rotate. Premium on the other hand has been stale for 2+ years now because bushi refuse to update the banlist and make changes.
Yu-gi-oh casual here. I just wanted to play my favorite deck after a long day at work and play, it has become too toxic and too mentally taxing. I play Standard Vanguard now and I love it even the weakest deck can beat a good deck if played right.
Agreed, and experimenting can lead into very nasty combos or genuine hard counters. Like i found out that if you play a very specific touken ranbu deck and have an opponent with a stride deck you can genuinely stride deny your opponent with a 13k Grade 2 and no other nation apparently has a Grade 2 that can be rode on VG with a power greater than 11,000
I will say, vanguard is kinda expensive too. Like... most decks cost a few hundred dollars to build lately, and it's a bit much. I feel like a comfortable max a decent competitive deck should cost to make (in base rarity) should be $100 max. Some people may disagree with me, and thats fine. I just think that it shouldn't cost people an arm and a leg to play something they enjoy.
@@RYsingLegend that's fair. I think that's why Pokemon is often brought up for that price range. Makes it challenging when you don't have the staples yet too. That can easily be another $100.
@CommanderJaime yea, some staples are too much, look at keter pile, and cerrgaon the staple promo which you spoke of the issue with promos in the video, cerrgaon is definitely not exempt from this issue.
@@TTPMMA it's not often but it happens from time to time. Like decksets for Jet and Shiranui on release in those meta games. Of course later on they got more expensive due to better generic staples showing up. To keep up with the next metagame.
I find decks in Vanguard are expensive if you wait to buy the whole deck. I’m a dedicated Keter player. Rezael’s current price tag is something ridiculous. I spent a small fraction of that because I picked up the cards when they were cheap close to release. Example: my deck has a playset of dual nation Valtrossa&Liel and I got those mostly by trading, and they were $15-20 when I traded for them.
The Price point of Cardfight Vanguard is very high compared to Bandai TCGs, Bushi needs to start printing their staples in lower rarities instead of Triple Rs, I come from Yugioh and I'll say this: Yugioh might be expensive but that does not justify other TCG's price point
@@CommanderJaime Like my biggest problem originally was just the pacing with the Price Point being a second, now that we're getting the Quick Shield dudes, the Price Point becomes just way too high as most of your deck is going to be RRRs that everyone needs
@ like for the game to get Bigger, the Price point just needs to drop, Like Lower the Rarity on Some Generic Staples or reprint them more aggressively
Completely agree with the take on the premium decksets. I used to have Jewel Knights back in the day and the deckset allows me to relive those days in a more modern setting. There are some 20-30 dollsr cards that i would LIKE to have for the deck but they are completely not needed. I was even able to get Crystaluster Dragons for good prices from friends. Also the top cut prizing, good lord im gonna definitely try to at least win my first 6 or so matches so i can get there, then id be completely happy scrubbing out if i got that energy generator.
They should unrestrict shiranui and give him back his shojodoji rideline I feel like it was such a cool concept mix and matching different engines. I feel like it was op at that time because of dragveda and decks were slower compared to today's decks. They should incentives mixing and making other engine work with each other.
When it comes to the Banlists, I think an idea to look at is going through and slapping Choice Restrictions on the "good shit" generic stables in every nation. Basically, to try to head off becoming like Yugioh where you are running every deck as the same set of good shit with a small engine for the Vanguard. Keter Sanctuary is already kinda there because their decks are pile+nare minimum for the deck for the Vanguard. Promos should lean towards alt arts for the stables. Give more copies of expensive cards in circulation while letting each maintain a good value.
I left a very long comment on that APS video about my feelings I'm not gonna copy that textwall here But yeah I also quit in 2024 and shifted back to Vanguard as my main game again. I recommend it to people constantly, and now with those Lianorn and Drajeweled precons coming out that's even more amazing entry product for people to get into the game Main things I want to see from Vanguard is certain cards being more accessible such as dual nation G2, energy cyclers, etc (reprinting G3 Dragons, Masque, etc was an amazing start). Triggers need to be regularly in sets even vanillas are annoying to pick up now. Elementarias should just be in products by default. Ik they are reprinting all the exclusive stride deck set cards in set 6 but honestly I wish they just reran the actual stride deck sets. I'd have liked to pick up the deluxe edition for Shiranui for example but I just can't now. Also really wish Bushiroad would allow their products to appear in brick & mortar retail stores. You can go into Walmart/Target/convenience stores and find the big 3 and bandai games without issue. Vanguard would have way more people buying it if it was actually publicly available. Also completely unrelated; can you link me the frames you're using to frame your playmat in the bg? I have a few I wanna frame (2017 Cray Chronicle Notes playmat, Stride Deck set playmats, etc)
@@Shark_YGO very well said, that would be awesome reprints and more complete decksets! Totally agree! The frames are custom from Michaels (arts and crafts store). You pick a frame and they do the work to make sure your certificate and playmat are nicely fitted in. I pay extra for glass that helps prevent the certificate and playmats losing color or getting damaged by the sun exposure over time. It's not a cheap process but well worth it. Especially if you don't want them to age, damage, lose color over time. You can also use their coupons to get 50-70% off too. I've done it so it's brought down to around $100 USD.
I think the worst thing about Bushiroad at the moment is attempting to cater to only one audience of players being Japan only. The West mind as-well be a footnote to them, as they have shown to not care. Premium not having a banlist for over a year proves that point, and that is highly discouraging to come into this game which I believe is fun, but stagnant. If this trend continues for the next year, I do not believe Vanguard survives in the West truthfully. Overdress may be "growing" but the problem with that format seems to only ever be exacerbating. Higher prices promos. Higher priced stride sets. Higher priced staples, etc. Yugioh players already ran into the issue of "why am I paying more for my deck than what I can win" which is only inevitable for Vanguard as well. Nao energy generator is cool, but will cycle out for cheaper ones. Eventually I see this game dying with this trajectory. Funny enough though they could be doing some of the most basic things to fix this. For one, let the english meta have its own banlist. We already have a different card pool, so why not. 2, allow for the West to have West exclusive products. Japan already gets exclusives, it is only fair in my opinion. And 3, stop ignoring premium. For the love of God, the garbage promotion of premium is beyond disappointing. It is your only format that actually displays your game at its fullest potential, and they do nothing with it. People want a set, they want new effects, when truthfully all they have to do is allow the ride deck into it so your standard decks be somewhat viable. If people are worried about breaking that because of V or G cards, just implement the rule that only D and forward cards can be placed in the ride deck. Removes the ability to draw going first, and the quick shield but giving stronger consistency. And, it locks out any V shenanigans. I could go on, but that is the majority of my thoughts. And for anyone who reads this and tells me the ride deck breaks premium, good. Do it. Change the game, and correct the course after. That is how all card games go.
@@TTPMMA wow thanks for taking the time to type this out. Definitely understand your frustrations. Yeah the West does feel as a last thought. Having more consistent ban list hits can correct any crazy stuff too if it were to come up. Personally standard has come far to make it interesting for me at least. So I can still play and invest into Standard. Would love new premium product that's dedicated. Bushiroad is currently unpredictable and who knows what will actually happen to premium.
Ride Deck would indeed break premium in an unfun way, The 2 formats should stay separate and the deckbuilding is what allows that. However, I do agree with you on the sense that premium need massive changes right now, and seeing that Bushi refuses to release specific Premium support, I can only see this happening in 2 ways. Adding an Energy Crest to the format, and making consistent Banlists to rotate the meta decks. I feel like I have seen the same meta decks topping for years.
@@TheLiamBrisThank you for the thoughtful critique. My questions would be what would make adding the ride deck unfun or inherently broken? Imposing the restrictions I suggested of course as I know adding G - V cards would definitely make it far stronger. If there is something I am missing I am open to it, but the fact some ride lines in standard are locked behind the necessity of the ride line makes me more inclined to want it brought over. I think an eternal format should live by that term, and truly have everything available. I also would like to add I imposed the D restriction for a reason as I think some decks work better without a ride line. And my last statement would be to see new topping decks, we need to be willing to accept more into the game. Not isolate further.
@@TTPMMA My personal want is for ride decks to come to premium, even with restrictions. I will say that I see the point where some decks would easily become so much better even if the ride deck was vanilla aside from the G3 just because of the guaranteed ride. Dimension Police wouldn't have to clog spots with 1's and 2's and would start having thicc shield on every card on turn 3 or 4 with Geomaglass and/or Dailiner reride (if it couldn't be included in the ride deck). Bermuda Triangle's highlander style could ignore having to include extra copies of cards that did little on rearguard but would be ideal to ride (because they want to have as many different names as possible). Adding a ride deck while limiting it to cards with the D mark would also invalidate cards designed for that ride-chain idea that came before (no Vortimer or Blau bonuses). Realistically, the only way I see ride decks happening in premium is if they do a ton of restrictions (like how original Barcgal and Kyrph can't be used as a Starter) or if they choice restricted mechanics such as no strides if you choose to use a ride deck.
Yugioh needs to change the rarity model to OCG's in NA/EU. I stopped buying boxes in NA because all the cards i personally wanted were shortprinted or high rarity so it was unlikely to get even 1. If they switch to the multi rarity per card system, it allows casual players like myself to get copies of desired cards for a fraction of the price, and if the box has many cards for many decks, i would genuinely consider buying a couple because the chances of obtaining it are substantially higher. I am starting to dislike this card game because of this reason.
@@kazumakariama multi rarity would make so many people happy! Literally there are people content with "base rarity" and the rest that do want to invest into "higher rarity".
I definitely don't want a banlist every 3-4 months. I feel it would be like Yu-Gi-Oh's "ban list season" as some people call it. But that's just my opinion
My biggest issue with bushi right now is it feels like they've become just like Konami Decks are insanely expensive cuz entire sets are being short printed Banlists are only to hit decks so push new product (nubatama did nothing wrong it's the only deck they've ever had that's meta in 14 yrs, 2 times) Promos being absolutely absurd to acquire I've been trying for months now to pull the Keter promo reprinted order, my locals has seen 2 of them and 1 is with me 1 is with our other Keter player so we can't even have 1 of us have half a playset its so ass lol We need better starter products I'm so tired of trying to convince people to try the game, they see the only decks being 60-200$ and they're like naw no thanks you can't expect players to drop multiple days of pay in some cases just to try to play the game sadly Premium needs some proper support again and a massive sweeping banlist, gredora especially needs to be nuked from orbit I'm so tired of premium being oh you can't play the game for 5 turns hehe There's so much good in vanguard but bushiroad really needs to see what they're doing to kill this game outside of Japan/Singapore
TBH... That ridiculous pricing mostly on scalper's fault and TCG Konami being BS not doing lower rarity like we did in OCG... Also products like Tactical Try Decks in OCG is way popular and beginner friendly... I dont think it will fail that hard (at least in OCG regions)... TCG? It can be coz of their stupid prices
That is more or less what happened to me. I was a yugioh player now I play vanguard and battle spirits saga. yugioh master duel is the only time I play yugioh now.
@ yep I get into vanguard but I saw the link joker broke ride and like how it looked. I been playing a lot of battle spirits saga lately and been enjoying it.
So why would your average player pick cfv over OP? It seems most players that leave Ygo go to Lorcana OP or Digimon. Those games offer better prizing, larger communities, and better entry products or flat out cheaper decks
Yep exactly, part of the video was reminding why players that came from Yu-Gi-Oh choose Vanguard in different aspects. Your point is valid where if One Piece has the same but bigger and better, then why Vanguard? Vanguard needs to keep up otherwise it'll stay at the bottom of the top 10, or worse, be less.
I think what they need to do is a game (a video game) free to play game that will copy yu gi ohh master duel .. since that game ngl is a good f2p exp if you only have 1-2 archetypes .. pokemon kinda did this too with tcg pocket on which boosted a lot .. just the feeling on opening a pack on screen will let you buy a pack asap .. You don't need voices You just need it to be a little bit flashy And also you need to simulate the pack opening And let the cards do the talking
@CommanderJaime vanguard actually had that if i recall it is called vanguard zero .. but they emphasize so much on the characters and not let the card do the talking .. on yu gi ohh MD and Pokemon tcg Pocket however they let the cards shine more .. also I'mma add something too both of those games have a great f2p experience which Vanguard Zero doesn't ..
I've played yugioh many moons ago. I was around at the beginning all the way up to teledad, and yugioh has always been expensive. To make teledad was 1200 to 1500 dollars just to get the dark armed dragon where the price point for that card was 200 to 250. I lost love for yugioh, then. Is it a fun game, yeah, but if you want the deck that wins......jump out your socks 😅
@@willcrowder8727 yep there's always some in every community. That's why I said it's mostly positive and can't speak for others that didn't have a positive one.
The Ygo thing is wrong. The TCG has basically banned all the generic omni negates. Yes there's still crazy turn one boards(assuming you don't get hand trapped), but the boards can be broken and have layers of interaction. FS Ryzeal is without question, and has 1 omni negate on its end board if they decide/can make it. That section just feels poorly researched
This is meant for over the years not just recently from the December Banlist. As mentioned players have given feedback and myself have heard over the years in person at events or even online. Team APS made 2 recent videos on it as well. They've also mentioned it's from a standpoint of over the years. Hope that makes sense.
@CommanderJaime watching your vid, and I'm sorry but a lot of the Ygo takes feel way off. Fully putting my bias out there it is my main TCG. I am very aware of it's flaws, but a lot of the arguments you made feel pretty dated. You fail to mention prize cards, side event prizing, rarity collection gutting the prices of most of the staples you will need.
1 omninegate and a non once per turn pop on an xyz that can have an excessive amount of materials that can also go into freaking Zeus and just not let your opponent have a board at all. The deck is toxic as is the majority of meta in general and that's the freaking problem. Yugioh's meta is toxic and it will always be toxic because it's freaking omnipresent in the player base. No one's playing yugioh for fun anymore. That's why people are leaving. There's literally no difference between playing at a locals or a ycs because everyone is always playing the same crap in everything!
@@mhz3317 The toxic meta players might be enjoying it because the game freaking caters to them. But The mid core players aren't though because they straight up can't play. That's the point. You're just denying the problem because hur dur attendance. Which is dumb because it completely ignores other factors like whether or not areas even support other games. Believe me I wish I could quit yugioh, but the game I want to move to being digimon simply isn't supported where I live. So I'm just freaking stuck playing a game with a player base that doesn't want me to be able to play at all!
This was recorded before the new year's presentation as well. The 3rd point I made at the end is for both RELEVANT and COMPLETE decksets. The Lianorn and Drajeweled master decks are reprints with only 1 new card. This would have been great in 2024. But it's 2025 and metagames have already been changing. It may be complete but will it be relevant anymore?
Hopefully it’s like the Orfist deckset where the deckset plus some new support from the new set makes a meta deck.
There's also support for them DZ8
Meta or not, these are decks that are made for new players to get started and the fact that they ARE complete decks makes it encouraging to play since they may not need to be changed drastically. And on the other side, there also may be players who wanted to build Drajeweled and Lianorn back in their prime but didn't have the funds to make the deck back then and still wish to use/own them in some capacity. And to have these decks with their current main boss units all wrapped up together in a $60 set with other goodies to go with it, just makes it that much more appealing.
They may not be as relevant as they were in the past, but these particular decks are in no way pushovers. They both can still put up decent fights and can show off their own unique characteristics, which is what you want in a starter product such as these. I also own both of these decks and I find myself practicing with and against them every now and then and I'm surprised on how well they can still do, but I digress.
Point is, these Master Decksets seem to be a strong entry point for new players in that they are 1.) fan favorite decks, 2.) complete with the strongest variations of the boss units, and 3.) at a reasonable price with extra goodies to go with the deck.
P.S. I believe they are also getting more support in Set 8
@@Yusei5DSynchro yep I'm hoping they turn out really good overall.
As a Drajeweled main the deckset is a VERY good onboarding product and a great jumpstart at a viable deck
I really really think Bushiroad NEEDS to make Vanguard sets have a universal release everywhere. this would keeps the regions the same with releases and avoid the price hikes in EN before sets even come out cause JP has already tested the new cards and have tournament results. It also makes the game more appealing as we wont have to wait months between reveals and releases which will keep hype more alive in the EN community. It's also 2025 at this point, if Bandai can do universal releases with their games then bushiroad definitely can.
@@exodusuno that's also a good point. A universal release would be different for once. Even Yu-Gi-Oh still has Japan gets it first then everyone else.
Kind of nice not wasting money on a card that is mid or gets out classes next set though. 🤷♂️
@@coleevans8763 fair enough lol. We do get the benefit of hindsight.
I know it's subjective, but it feels like I'm actually playing a game when I play Vanguard. DifferentFight described it best once when he said Vanguard is quite similar to a fighting game, where it's much more focused on attacking and blocking rather than dealing with negations and counterspells. It promotes gameplay rather than restricting or taking it away in some cases.
Yep I agree, that helps feeling more engaged overall.
As someone who came from Yugioh to Vanguard the main reason was that no matter the situation I was in when it was my turn I could still do SOMETHING. I never had a turn where all I could do was draw and pass. It might be as little as turn sidewise but it was still something.
@@MSDuelist yep that's a good point. Once someone can't break a board, there's not much you can do.
The one thing bushiroad needs to do something about the cards that are getting expensive now. Tizkar is hitting 50 something dollars, dual nation cards hitting close to 70 plus dollars.
I remember finding and picking up Vanguard in 2011 in high school during a format for Yu-Gi-Oh! In the XYZ era that was very expensive it allowed me as a broke high school student to play a game with a tier 1 deck for under $500
@@SpartanTrigger yep exactly! Affordability is such a factor. Even I was playing tier 2 decks in college. Closer to the end of my college years I picked up Bujins and luckily they got good main Bujin support in separate sets lol. More manageable at the time. Slowly became a tier 1 deck.
@@CommanderJaime I remember the macro rabbit and injector format where you had so many secret rares in your deck
@@SpartanTrigger secret rares at the time were much harder to get for sure 😭
The EN Vanguard banlist for standard is useless it should not even be a thing at this point we get banlists hitting decks after they are alreadly out of the meta and they just kick them after there already dead.
It’s an insurance thing. One it helps review the cards they just released through tournament play and it helps remove them from taking away from representation of other decks. Yugioh is a good example - They hit the best decks in some capacity but leave just enough to see how well it can hold up against the new releases and for other players to find cards that work well against those decks. And if they really want to push new product they will make the Ban list more prominent. Cards move on and off the list to help push product and formats along. Bushi seems to like this set up and even though Konami receives back lash the players kind of just accepted it as time went on.
Agreed entirely
Banlist overhaul is the biggest (and easiest) fix Bushiroad could do.
In recent years the largest hype and engagement Premium had was that nuke of a like we had 3 years ago when Mori P joined.
Since he left both Premium & Standard banlists have been slow and formats have been defined for a long time.
Standards had the issue of only 1 or 2 decks being top dog then the next format starts and they just rotate.
Premium on the other hand has been stale for 2+ years now because bushi refuse to update the banlist and make changes.
@@drigon100 very well said. We'll see if anything changes soon.
Kinda reminds me of a point I have felt.
Mori leaving was one of the worst things that happened to the game lately.
@@tristanalain9239 yeah that was a bummer. Seemed like things were good around his tenure.
Yu-gi-oh casual here. I just wanted to play my favorite deck after a long day at work and play, it has become too toxic and too mentally taxing. I play Standard Vanguard now and I love it even the weakest deck can beat a good deck if played right.
Yep! That's a point I've kept hearing too. Players hate being blown out by the best decks. Yu-Gi-Oh's power gap is real.
Agreed, and experimenting can lead into very nasty combos or genuine hard counters. Like i found out that if you play a very specific touken ranbu deck and have an opponent with a stride deck you can genuinely stride deny your opponent with a 13k Grade 2 and no other nation apparently has a Grade 2 that can be rode on VG with a power greater than 11,000
People complain about Vanguard's meta but the gap between tier 1 and tiers 2 and 3 usually isn't so high that a fun game can't be had.
@@mujigant yeah I agree the gap isn't as high compared to other TCGs. So it's not a complete blow out lol
I will say, vanguard is kinda expensive too.
Like... most decks cost a few hundred dollars to build lately, and it's a bit much.
I feel like a comfortable max a decent competitive deck should cost to make (in base rarity) should be $100 max.
Some people may disagree with me, and thats fine.
I just think that it shouldn't cost people an arm and a leg to play something they enjoy.
@@RYsingLegend that's fair. I think that's why Pokemon is often brought up for that price range.
Makes it challenging when you don't have the staples yet too. That can easily be another $100.
@CommanderJaime yea, some staples are too much, look at keter pile, and cerrgaon the staple promo which you spoke of the issue with promos in the video, cerrgaon is definitely not exempt from this issue.
If someone disagrees that a deck should be cheap but competitively viable they in themselves are in denial.
@@TTPMMA it's not often but it happens from time to time. Like decksets for Jet and Shiranui on release in those meta games. Of course later on they got more expensive due to better generic staples showing up. To keep up with the next metagame.
I find decks in Vanguard are expensive if you wait to buy the whole deck.
I’m a dedicated Keter player. Rezael’s current price tag is something ridiculous. I spent a small fraction of that because I picked up the cards when they were cheap close to release.
Example: my deck has a playset of dual nation Valtrossa&Liel and I got those mostly by trading, and they were $15-20 when I traded for them.
The Price point of Cardfight Vanguard is very high compared to Bandai TCGs, Bushi needs to start printing their staples in lower rarities instead of Triple Rs, I come from Yugioh and I'll say this: Yugioh might be expensive but that does not justify other TCG's price point
Amen well said
@@CommanderJaime Like my biggest problem originally was just the pacing with the Price Point being a second, now that we're getting the Quick Shield dudes, the Price Point becomes just way too high as most of your deck is going to be RRRs that everyone needs
@@thejankenthusiast1285 true. If they can add the multi rarities for generic staples, it would help.
@ like for the game to get Bigger, the Price point just needs to drop, Like Lower the Rarity on Some Generic Staples or reprint them more aggressively
@@thejankenthusiast1285 yep totally agree
Completely agree with the take on the premium decksets. I used to have Jewel Knights back in the day and the deckset allows me to relive those days in a more modern setting. There are some 20-30 dollsr cards that i would LIKE to have for the deck but they are completely not needed. I was even able to get Crystaluster Dragons for good prices from friends.
Also the top cut prizing, good lord im gonna definitely try to at least win my first 6 or so matches so i can get there, then id be completely happy scrubbing out if i got that energy generator.
@@KryselITG great to hear you were able to relive the old days with the premium decksets. Yep Standard top cut is really nice!
They should unrestrict shiranui and give him back his shojodoji rideline I feel like it was such a cool concept mix and matching different engines. I feel like it was op at that time because of dragveda and decks were slower compared to today's decks. They should incentives mixing and making other engine work with each other.
Would be interesting since the metagame has sped up.
Thumbnail for this video looks pretty cool! Different than normal.
Thanks for pointing that out! Working on new thumbnail designs overall. Excited to see more new videos with them.
When it comes to the Banlists, I think an idea to look at is going through and slapping Choice Restrictions on the "good shit" generic stables in every nation. Basically, to try to head off becoming like Yugioh where you are running every deck as the same set of good shit with a small engine for the Vanguard.
Keter Sanctuary is already kinda there because their decks are pile+nare minimum for the deck for the Vanguard.
Promos should lean towards alt arts for the stables. Give more copies of expensive cards in circulation while letting each maintain a good value.
@@tristanalain9239 that would be an interesting start. Then they can adapt from there in the next tap.
I left a very long comment on that APS video about my feelings I'm not gonna copy that textwall here
But yeah I also quit in 2024 and shifted back to Vanguard as my main game again. I recommend it to people constantly, and now with those Lianorn and Drajeweled precons coming out that's even more amazing entry product for people to get into the game
Main things I want to see from Vanguard is certain cards being more accessible such as dual nation G2, energy cyclers, etc (reprinting G3 Dragons, Masque, etc was an amazing start). Triggers need to be regularly in sets even vanillas are annoying to pick up now. Elementarias should just be in products by default. Ik they are reprinting all the exclusive stride deck set cards in set 6 but honestly I wish they just reran the actual stride deck sets. I'd have liked to pick up the deluxe edition for Shiranui for example but I just can't now.
Also really wish Bushiroad would allow their products to appear in brick & mortar retail stores. You can go into Walmart/Target/convenience stores and find the big 3 and bandai games without issue. Vanguard would have way more people buying it if it was actually publicly available.
Also completely unrelated; can you link me the frames you're using to frame your playmat in the bg? I have a few I wanna frame (2017 Cray Chronicle Notes playmat, Stride Deck set playmats, etc)
@@Shark_YGO very well said, that would be awesome reprints and more complete decksets! Totally agree!
The frames are custom from Michaels (arts and crafts store). You pick a frame and they do the work to make sure your certificate and playmat are nicely fitted in.
I pay extra for glass that helps prevent the certificate and playmats losing color or getting damaged by the sun exposure over time. It's not a cheap process but well worth it. Especially if you don't want them to age, damage, lose color over time.
You can also use their coupons to get 50-70% off too. I've done it so it's brought down to around $100 USD.
they need to realese product faster in the west, we behind japan for 2 month is crazy
I think the worst thing about Bushiroad at the moment is attempting to cater to only one audience of players being Japan only. The West mind as-well be a footnote to them, as they have shown to not care. Premium not having a banlist for over a year proves that point, and that is highly discouraging to come into this game which I believe is fun, but stagnant. If this trend continues for the next year, I do not believe Vanguard survives in the West truthfully. Overdress may be "growing" but the problem with that format seems to only ever be exacerbating. Higher prices promos. Higher priced stride sets. Higher priced staples, etc. Yugioh players already ran into the issue of "why am I paying more for my deck than what I can win" which is only inevitable for Vanguard as well. Nao energy generator is cool, but will cycle out for cheaper ones.
Eventually I see this game dying with this trajectory. Funny enough though they could be doing some of the most basic things to fix this. For one, let the english meta have its own banlist. We already have a different card pool, so why not. 2, allow for the West to have West exclusive products. Japan already gets exclusives, it is only fair in my opinion. And 3, stop ignoring premium. For the love of God, the garbage promotion of premium is beyond disappointing. It is your only format that actually displays your game at its fullest potential, and they do nothing with it. People want a set, they want new effects, when truthfully all they have to do is allow the ride deck into it so your standard decks be somewhat viable. If people are worried about breaking that because of V or G cards, just implement the rule that only D and forward cards can be placed in the ride deck. Removes the ability to draw going first, and the quick shield but giving stronger consistency. And, it locks out any V shenanigans. I could go on, but that is the majority of my thoughts.
And for anyone who reads this and tells me the ride deck breaks premium, good. Do it. Change the game, and correct the course after. That is how all card games go.
@@TTPMMA wow thanks for taking the time to type this out. Definitely understand your frustrations. Yeah the West does feel as a last thought. Having more consistent ban list hits can correct any crazy stuff too if it were to come up.
Personally standard has come far to make it interesting for me at least. So I can still play and invest into Standard.
Would love new premium product that's dedicated. Bushiroad is currently unpredictable and who knows what will actually happen to premium.
Ride Deck would indeed break premium in an unfun way, The 2 formats should stay separate and the deckbuilding is what allows that. However, I do agree with you on the sense that premium need massive changes right now, and seeing that Bushi refuses to release specific Premium support, I can only see this happening in 2 ways. Adding an Energy Crest to the format, and making consistent Banlists to rotate the meta decks. I feel like I have seen the same meta decks topping for years.
@@TheLiamBrisThank you for the thoughtful critique.
My questions would be what would make adding the ride deck unfun or inherently broken? Imposing the restrictions I suggested of course as I know adding G - V cards would definitely make it far stronger. If there is something I am missing I am open to it, but the fact some ride lines in standard are locked behind the necessity of the ride line makes me more inclined to want it brought over. I think an eternal format should live by that term, and truly have everything available. I also would like to add I imposed the D restriction for a reason as I think some decks work better without a ride line.
And my last statement would be to see new topping decks, we need to be willing to accept more into the game. Not isolate further.
The west does have its own banlist.
@@TTPMMA My personal want is for ride decks to come to premium, even with restrictions. I will say that I see the point where some decks would easily become so much better even if the ride deck was vanilla aside from the G3 just because of the guaranteed ride. Dimension Police wouldn't have to clog spots with 1's and 2's and would start having thicc shield on every card on turn 3 or 4 with Geomaglass and/or Dailiner reride (if it couldn't be included in the ride deck). Bermuda Triangle's highlander style could ignore having to include extra copies of cards that did little on rearguard but would be ideal to ride (because they want to have as many different names as possible). Adding a ride deck while limiting it to cards with the D mark would also invalidate cards designed for that ride-chain idea that came before (no Vortimer or Blau bonuses).
Realistically, the only way I see ride decks happening in premium is if they do a ton of restrictions (like how original Barcgal and Kyrph can't be used as a Starter) or if they choice restricted mechanics such as no strides if you choose to use a ride deck.
Yugioh needs to change the rarity model to OCG's in NA/EU. I stopped buying boxes in NA because all the cards i personally wanted were shortprinted or high rarity so it was unlikely to get even 1. If they switch to the multi rarity per card system, it allows casual players like myself to get copies of desired cards for a fraction of the price, and if the box has many cards for many decks, i would genuinely consider buying a couple because the chances of obtaining it are substantially higher.
I am starting to dislike this card game because of this reason.
@@kazumakariama multi rarity would make so many people happy! Literally there are people content with "base rarity" and the rest that do want to invest into "higher rarity".
I definitely don't want a banlist every 3-4 months. I feel it would be like Yu-Gi-Oh's "ban list season" as some people call it. But that's just my opinion
My biggest issue with bushi right now is it feels like they've become just like Konami
Decks are insanely expensive cuz entire sets are being short printed
Banlists are only to hit decks so push new product (nubatama did nothing wrong it's the only deck they've ever had that's meta in 14 yrs, 2 times)
Promos being absolutely absurd to acquire
I've been trying for months now to pull the Keter promo reprinted order, my locals has seen 2 of them and 1 is with me 1 is with our other Keter player so we can't even have 1 of us have half a playset its so ass lol
We need better starter products I'm so tired of trying to convince people to try the game, they see the only decks being 60-200$ and they're like naw no thanks you can't expect players to drop multiple days of pay in some cases just to try to play the game sadly
Premium needs some proper support again and a massive sweeping banlist, gredora especially needs to be nuked from orbit I'm so tired of premium being oh you can't play the game for 5 turns hehe
There's so much good in vanguard but bushiroad really needs to see what they're doing to kill this game outside of Japan/Singapore
@@vollied4865 very well said. As mentioned these are common themes so you're not the only one seeing this.
Hoping things get better soon 🙏
9:30 Youthberk easily hit $500 when you needed all those RRR
TBH... That ridiculous pricing mostly on scalper's fault and TCG Konami being BS not doing lower rarity like we did in OCG... Also products like Tactical Try Decks in OCG is way popular and beginner friendly... I dont think it will fail that hard (at least in OCG regions)... TCG? It can be coz of their stupid prices
That is more or less what happened to me. I was a yugioh player now I play vanguard and battle spirits saga. yugioh master duel is the only time I play yugioh now.
@@travisasselta9140 yep I hear our similar stories from numerous people over the years. Glad Vanguard was your next TCG experience!
@ yep I get into vanguard but I saw the link joker broke ride and like how it looked. I been playing a lot of battle spirits saga lately and been enjoying it.
there will be a master deckset for vanguard. its a great introduction for vanguard
Yep! Video was recorded before the announcement. I address that in my pinned comment. Still a good step in the right direction.
So why would your average player pick cfv over OP?
It seems most players that leave Ygo go to Lorcana OP or Digimon. Those games offer better prizing, larger communities, and better entry products or flat out cheaper decks
Yep exactly, part of the video was reminding why players that came from Yu-Gi-Oh choose Vanguard in different aspects.
Your point is valid where if One Piece has the same but bigger and better, then why Vanguard?
Vanguard needs to keep up otherwise it'll stay at the bottom of the top 10, or worse, be less.
Just make a Master Duel copy Bushiroad, is it that hard? 😭
@@SYMgenshin would be amazing 🙏
I think what they need to do is a game (a video game) free to play game that will copy yu gi ohh master duel .. since that game ngl is a good f2p exp if you only have 1-2 archetypes .. pokemon kinda did this too with tcg pocket on which boosted a lot .. just the feeling on opening a pack on screen will let you buy a pack asap ..
You don't need voices
You just need it to be a little bit flashy
And also you need to simulate the pack opening
And let the cards do the talking
@@renjouji yeah Pokemon Pocket was really good I hear! It does look visually appealing too. Would be cool to see for Vanguard.
@CommanderJaime vanguard actually had that if i recall it is called vanguard zero .. but they emphasize so much on the characters and not let the card do the talking .. on yu gi ohh MD and Pokemon tcg Pocket however they let the cards shine more .. also I'mma add something too both of those games have a great f2p experience which Vanguard Zero doesn't ..
@@renjouji yep I'm familiar! I hope they learn from it :)
I just got into vanguard with greedon mask.
@@waynemcmillian5445 welcome! That's a fun deck!
I've played yugioh many moons ago. I was around at the beginning all the way up to teledad, and yugioh has always been expensive. To make teledad was 1200 to 1500 dollars just to get the dark armed dragon where the price point for that card was 200 to 250. I lost love for yugioh, then. Is it a fun game, yeah, but if you want the deck that wins......jump out your socks 😅
@@armuirbest3137 wow didn't realize TeleDad was that much back then. 👀
@CommanderJaime oh absolutely 💯.
@@armuirbest3137 man just thinking more about it hurts lol cause that was way before recent inflation lol
play cardfight vanguard dear days 2 on pc or the nintendo switch
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Also there can be toxic players in vanguard. They are out there.
@@willcrowder8727 yep there's always some in every community. That's why I said it's mostly positive and can't speak for others that didn't have a positive one.
@ sorry I didn’t catch that you said that
@@willcrowder8727 all good! Thanks for your feedback still! 👊
@ I like your perspectives. Do you think prices for the staples for standard will eventually come down.
@@willcrowder8727 with either one or a combination of power creep or easy to get reprints.
I kinda gave up on yugioh when they made a 1 card 500 combo bullshit engine..
@@rounddonke7800 yep understandable
The Ygo thing is wrong. The TCG has basically banned all the generic omni negates. Yes there's still crazy turn one boards(assuming you don't get hand trapped), but the boards can be broken and have layers of interaction.
FS Ryzeal is without question, and has 1 omni negate on its end board if they decide/can make it.
That section just feels poorly researched
This is meant for over the years not just recently from the December Banlist. As mentioned players have given feedback and myself have heard over the years in person at events or even online.
Team APS made 2 recent videos on it as well. They've also mentioned it's from a standpoint of over the years.
Hope that makes sense.
@CommanderJaime watching your vid, and I'm sorry but a lot of the Ygo takes feel way off. Fully putting my bias out there it is my main TCG. I am very aware of it's flaws, but a lot of the arguments you made feel pretty dated. You fail to mention prize cards, side event prizing, rarity collection gutting the prices of most of the staples you will need.
1 omninegate and a non once per turn pop on an xyz that can have an excessive amount of materials that can also go into freaking Zeus and just not let your opponent have a board at all. The deck is toxic as is the majority of meta in general and that's the freaking problem. Yugioh's meta is toxic and it will always be toxic because it's freaking omnipresent in the player base. No one's playing yugioh for fun anymore. That's why people are leaving. There's literally no difference between playing at a locals or a ycs because everyone is always playing the same crap in everything!
@dustinvance243 yet it still absolutely beats out cfv in attendance numbers and events. Crazy. Almost like people still enjoy the game.
@@mhz3317 The toxic meta players might be enjoying it because the game freaking caters to them. But The mid core players aren't though because they straight up can't play. That's the point. You're just denying the problem because hur dur attendance. Which is dumb because it completely ignores other factors like whether or not areas even support other games. Believe me I wish I could quit yugioh, but the game I want to move to being digimon simply isn't supported where I live. So I'm just freaking stuck playing a game with a player base that doesn't want me to be able to play at all!