Dear Sir My humble obeisance to you. I learned more with 3 hours of your lecture all the years I spent in formal education. Will forever be in your debt.
Excellent and most informative speech! Also a big slap on those who are "slaves of English language" as this proves that many Indians are brilliant, internationally acknowledged scholars who have their basic education in their first language@ mother tongue (local Indian language) and have learnt English in few months to be a scholar in their chosen subjects and fields.
We should not get sold to the Western approach. Thought provoking speech. The Politicians, Government and the decision makers must be patriotic. Protect the future generations of India.
our previous politicians were not patriotic cannot understand why it is still a secret that nehru. .Jinnah .and abdullah farooque were step brothers and all three got a bit of land to control .Also nehru married to a hindu he hated hindus never touched his wife...indira is his brothers wife.why all lies and article 370 based on lies and secrecy by gandhi hence he was killed for doing so much harm...read a to biography of Jawaharlal Nehru by his personal assistant..m o the Mathai
I am so glad, so very very glad you and your fellow gurus are taking the time and making the effort to enlighten our younger generations with a need to reconnect with our unique heritage. As in the matter of economics, so also in the physical and biological sciences, our younger generations need to revert to our foundations of enquiry into the nature of our universe. I have made the necessary efforts in those directions, and feel qualified to cintribute, in whatever capacity the country needs. Having graduated from IIT Kharagpur, with a PhD in biochemistry from Canada, and the experience of my seventy years, I wish to contribute in anyway to bring our sciences back to their traditions of enquiry and discovery. Thank you. Sincerely, chibber@nd.edu
we need many more such wise nationalists like mr gurumurty to get back our economy on track,it shows that we hav such ppl who have far more understanding of economics than those harvard scholars who r responsible fr today's economic crisis....hats off to u sir !!!
"Many of the advances in the sciences that we consider today to have been made in Europe were in fact made in India centuries ago." - Grant Duff British Historian of India
Thank you Mr. Gurumurthy, your lecture is an eye opener. I wonder what precisely English did to bring down the economy from 25% to 1.7% in 150 years apart from the fact they cut off the thumbs of Dacca weavers.
wonderful enlightening and inspiring speech. we should come out with our own models rather than following the western models. so that once again India can be a welfare and prosperous country in the world
Great talk by Guru... Family as a unit now.. Covid 19 times is a OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FAMILY AS A UNIT... is a opportunity for " Cottage industry " at home. ( family ) from MAKE A WILL FOUNDATION..
Today is 5.5.2018 and even after nearly 6 YEARS your Own BJP leaders/members seemed to never listen to this. Our Honorable Prime Minister Narenedra Modi ji may be thinking to bring India among the most Powerful Economy in the world but mostly none of the colleagues and members .Let them listen to your speech NOW even after the lapse of SIX YEARS to get an inner awakening ,apart from being members and politicians,that they are also Indians and doing something to every part of their Motherland ,from East to West and North to even SOUTH ,inclusive of TamilNadu,is their UTMOST paramount duty. Preserving our Hindu traditions, values and Culture is the most important to be done right now next to protecting their skin and heart and should never go with class-less political parties and should scrap them with fiery iron hands. Every human being is to be treated alike as an individual human only irrespective of their background ,affiliation and caste mostly very evenly and India should NEVER be jeopardized by any threat and rebuke inside from any communal and political forces and outside by any kind foreign invasion and India needs to be shielded thru the ancient way of defense system known as saama,dhana,bedha and if not possible the Dhanda Method to bring peace and amity in this great Country called Hindustan aka BHARAT BHARAT MATA KI Jai
Sir, it was a excellent speech, There is no doubt our social and economic structure is commendable. I have some questions. You were giving stats for the last 1000 to 2000 years quoting the GDP of india, China vs Us and England. Only in 1500 Columbus discovers US and England ares is 130,000 sq km only which is very small as compared to India and china. obviously the settlement or migration to US happened after 1500 to 1700. in 1800 Industrial revolution in the west changed the face of europe which india failed or neglected to use. In this case how can we compare India and china which is a grown up society with huge land and human resources with US and England.
2012-Mr. Gurumurthy you were speaking at a time when UPA was in power, Advani ji is still PM in waiting and Modi ji was yet to become the PM candidate.The present government continued the policies and are exactly what they should not have been as you spoke in your lecture. 2018- Do you think the BJP was able to live up to the expectation that you reposed in them under Mr.Modi and Arun Jaitley?
Thought provoking, particularly the fact that more traditional countries go for bank deposits compared to riskier stocks, also articulation on family and behavioral economies is soundly explained. However I disagree with bank based economy, Indian economy and societies have always been market driven and all our values including religious aspects are accumulative and semi capitalist in nature. A mixed economy that distributes home equity and not just wealth to all people involved is better suited for India. Instances are let people run cargo railways for profit like a cooperative societies under competitive markets, Indian jugad mindset will bring bring value as well improvement in infrastructure. Excellent job.
Yes we will raise and people of this country will remove poverty and not any politician..my grandpa was poor, my father was lower middle class and me upper-middle class we will continue to rise..This generation will pull India out of poverty...well you take care of Pakistan, first bring democracy there...
I think even bank driven economy is also not that sustainable examples are collapse of Spain and Italy yes it is more rigid to sustain, however if inflation goes more than interest rate this model fails, which is what happened in Spain( where now 57% of youth are unemployed) The solution in my world is a hybrid society. why not majority of saving in bank (say 50 or 60%) and rest in equities commodities and other smart investment just a thought
30:24 -- manmohan singh jagdish bhagwati , indian women should spend more and not save. Didn't happen. Then goldman sacs paper on how native savings can fund > 1trillion needs of Indian infra without relying on foreign investment
India was such a fragmented country with so many small States with local princes...but for the British India's infrastructure would have been stuck to bullock cart... Essentially the West industrialised, innovated and became productive while we were stuck with our old ways...this talk is totally not grounded in proper context... Traditional India was patriarchal and the women would have never joined the workforce with our old ways...He is totally deluded and propounding a baseless hypothesis.
He want to indicate Germany like society ,and it was last minute , pressure might be there to end it within limit so he randomly mention few "Germany" like nation.
unfortunately Shri Gurumurthi needs western studies to understand Indian economy of the past. What is his idea behind these talks? Just to tell history? Emulate Japan or Germany? Japan attacked US and got nuclear bombs as reward. Even then they could foster quick trade relations. We are yet to develop such relations with neighbours! Society needs risk takers also. Government should bother more about what is lagging in India. In India people belonging to government, authority are holy Bulls. It bulldozes any thing with out any responsibility and escapes Law. This is most required of India. By the way Germany produced Hitler.
+Healt Wealth Hey man, can't you look beyond it? Anyway the current caste system has been in vogue only since the last 400-500 years or so. If you read about Hindu scriptures from authentic scholars like Swami Vivekananda and not Western scolars, you will understand. I saw your comments in the other video also. Thats what this man is saying isn't it. Get out of Western understanding of Indian culture!!
How many of us dare to marry in another caste? Can Brahmin marry a dalit or vice versa? Or at least think of it? Can Dalit or anyone other than brahmin become a poojari in Tirupati? To read Veda (although nothing in it) you should be a "Born" Brahmin in art of living in Bangalore. Mostly Brahmins dont want to see the caste problems, they see it as dotted line. because caste system helps them to survive through varies means.
How many of us dare to marry in another caste? Can Brahmin marry a dalit or vice versa? Or at least think of it? Intercaste marriages wont solve the caste issue. Even if many people do not mind it that much these days. I have 3 out of my 6 cousins married from other castes personally for example. The reality is that other caste hindus are more restrained on this note than brahmins. By the way, why dont you ask "can a devar or naiyakar or chettiyar marry a dalit?" why only brahmins? LOL! "Can Dalit or anyone other than brahmin become a poojari in Tirupati?" Why should he become a priest? what is he trying to prove by that? The very person who created the existing system of worship in Thirupathi namely ramanuja had initiated thousands of people who are not born brahmins into reading vedas. For that matter, ramanuja's guru himself was initiated by a dalit. Apart from that, do not generalize brahmins as a whole. The priests in temples are called sivacharyas or battacharyas (generally called gurukkal) who are brought up from their birth in certain disciplines of learning to do the pooja in the temples. Not every brahmin can enter the sanctum or the garbagraha. I am a brahmin, but I stand exactly where you will stand in a temple because I am not a gurukkal. This is not a caste distinction, this is based on knowledge and qualification. You wont be allowed into an operation theater. Only a doctor or a nurse will. But you will get the cure as a benefit. If you want to go inside, then become a doctor before you complain. "To read Veda (although nothing in it) you should be a "Born" Brahmin in art of living in Bangalore." So you know there is nothing in vedas before reading it? If yes, your statement becomes just an assumption. If you read it and then knew nothing is there in it, then are you born a brahmin to read it? If yes, then it falsifies your own statement. "Mostly Brahmins dont want to see the caste problems, they see it as dotted line. because caste system helps them to survive through varies means." It has never been the brahmins who initiated or participated in caste based violence even when it happened in the past 300 years to be precise. Who created the zamindari system? brahmins or muslims? note that zamin is an arabic word. And tell me, what percentage of brahmins are getting benefited by "various means" by the caste system? If you mean by serving in temples, then go and ask a pujari in any normal temple how much he makes each month. Leave thirupathi or such big temples they are just a small fraction of the entire gurukkal community. They get 1800 Rs per month from the government and live off of whatever falls in their aarathi plate. Still they do it because it is their culture, tradition and dedication. No other brahmins than gurukkals get money from outside the brahmin community for rituals. The reality is that the caste system has abolished brahmins from earning material wealth. So they are in fact violating it in a sense by going to jobs. But nothing else is practical. On the contrary the caste system you say brahmins venerate and nurture has let them without govt jobs and college seats. Do not speak without knowing the facts.
Basically you are telling me gurukull have less money, I am so sorry. There are unfortunately poor brahmins as well as they compete with rich brahmins. Another reader was telling in the form, caste is created by British, now you are telling Muslim, that's easy. You are also telling brahmins are more knowledegable? On what? Saying in a language no one understands? Appropriate things around in not considered facts, my friend. Was that a joke you compared a surgeon to poojari? I want to know what he Mr. Poojari dissects there, I have not seen any surgeon do surgery for free though!
Seena Karunadu " Basically you are telling me gurukull have less money, I am so sorry. There are unfortunately poor brahmins as well as they compete with rich brahmins. " Look at the point to which I was replying before drawing conclusions. The earlier comment stated "they dont allow others inside temples for making money or the brahmins maintain the caste system to get money from other castes." So I explained the reality, that the temples are not minting money as many may think. And your point, "There are unfortunately poor brahmins as well as they compete with rich brahmins" exactly explains the basis on which people must be seen, economical condition and not their caste. "Another reader was telling in the form, caste is created by British, now you are telling Muslim, that's easy. " This is a vast topic so it needs a bit more clarity of explanation. I did not say the caste system was created by muslims. I only said that the land gifting system introduced by the muslim rulers created the vast difference between so called vaisyas and sudras in the community. Neither did the other person say britishers created the caste system. They simply made it very rigid. What existed as a communal system became a social class division. This is something that the britishers are used to in their own society, that is the priests, warriors, knights or lords and peasants. They applied the same dye to our varna dharma system and made it a rigid and social class difference. In addition to that, they added this Aryan dravidian nonsense making it even a race based division. "You are also telling brahmins are more knowledegable? On what? Saying in a language no one understands?" I am saying the priests who serve in temples have been trained for doing it from their childhood. So they have the know how to worship in temples per the tradition. Which does not make them more knowledgeable but knowing something that is needed in a temple and hence they do the job as appointed. If you dont understand something then it is not worthless either. "Appropriate things around in not considered facts, my friend." What do you mean by the above? Rephrase this sentence. "Was that a joke you compared a surgeon to poojari? I want to know what he Mr. Poojari dissects there, I have not seen any surgeon do surgery for free though!" It was a morbid note not a jovial one. It is very unfortunate that we are ready to accept a western technology so readily while we think there is nothing meaningful in the temple based traditions and worship. The very structure and rites involved in building a temple is a precise technology known as Agama Sastra. And this agama sastra combines with silpa shastra, the making of a deity in the form of an idol, after which, the agama continues to expound on the installation and the methods to keep the deity as a channel of grace. This is actually as complicated if not more so than any western science. All it will take is some reading or speaking to sthapathis or some old gurukkals who know these things. This will be the effort you need to put to understand the intricacy of the techniques used and their meaning. If you are not ready to know your own culture but are ready to trash it, then you will become a cultural orphan. Which is what we are heading to with all these divisions and mutual infighting in the name of caste and hatred towards particular communities.
It is customary for Indian to talk great about India. Mr.Gurumurthy appears to be a 'headline freak'. He is visibly happy that the US social security system is going to be bankrupt, and they are hoping for a miracle. The truth is, the number of jobs to pay for the past retirees is paid into by today's work force. The assumption is that the number of workers would continue to grow for decades to come. This assumption was made in the 1930's. It stood the test of time for a good 80+ years. Now, due to globalization, the employment grew in China and India - at the expense of US work force. The problem is, India and China cannot sustain that employment number if US cuts the manufacturing / services in those countries, and chooses to employ its own. Or, putting it in another way, the US can progress into new technology that will keep the growing. India is yet mired in old religious traditions - cannot grow unless it progresses in science and technology on its own. Little does Mr.Gurumurthy seem to know that the stock market crashes in the US are cyclical. It is likely to grow over a period of time. For example, the market has regained most of what it lost in 2008. Japan which crashed in late 80's is still limping - because of too much savings. So, Indian are better advised to do their due diligence.
+ranga rajan And it is customary for apologists talk ill about India. We need more employment due to much more than normal population. But there is also a good ring to it. It's the country with youngest population, whole world is going to need us, provided we make good out of this opportunity through skill development. You're certainly living under an impression that you have more knowledge on economics than Mr. Gurumurthy.
+ranga rajan the very countries he said that we need to look upto are today in a not so good state. Spain, Japan, france and germany although not as much.
I disagree about the gender issue. The overwhelming majority of Indians want a boy child and SO many are aborting female babies that it has become law. When this speaker denies such clear facts, it is difficult to take him seriously. 28:10 The diamond trade went from the Jews to the Gujjews.
sorrybhai100 Look up the statistics on how many females are being aborted in India. Do you not know there is a law in India against finding out the gender of the baby for a pregnant woman?
+Umar AlFarooq he never said indians dont like girls or not. its a common known problem but saying indian traditional society is root of all problems is wrong. when a listener dont listen to a speaker who present the actual facts, its easy to lose temper
This man is amazing! We really need to rise above certain things to understand all his ideas and correlations.
true...
That was very refreshing and food for thought ...i especially liked the theory of contract society vs traditional society .
thanks for the video
Dear Sir
My humble obeisance to you. I learned more with 3 hours of your lecture all the years I spent in formal education.
Will forever be in your debt.
Excellent and most informative speech! Also a big slap on those who are "slaves of English language" as this proves that many Indians are brilliant, internationally acknowledged scholars who have their basic education in their first language@ mother tongue (local Indian language) and have learnt English in few months to be a scholar in their chosen subjects and fields.
We should not get sold to the Western approach. Thought provoking speech. The Politicians, Government and the decision makers must be patriotic. Protect the future generations of India.
our previous politicians were not patriotic cannot understand why it is still a secret that nehru. .Jinnah .and abdullah farooque were step brothers and all three got a bit of land to control .Also nehru married to a hindu he hated hindus never touched his wife...indira is his brothers wife.why all lies and article 370 based on lies and secrecy by gandhi hence he was killed for doing so much harm...read a to biography of Jawaharlal Nehru by his personal assistant..m o the Mathai
This is the eye opening speech to most of the intellectuals in India.
I am so glad, so very very glad you and your fellow gurus are taking the time and making the effort to enlighten our younger generations with a need to reconnect with our unique heritage. As in the matter of economics, so also in the physical and biological sciences, our younger generations need to revert to our foundations of enquiry into the nature of our universe. I have made the necessary efforts in those directions, and feel qualified to cintribute, in whatever capacity the country needs. Having graduated from IIT Kharagpur, with a PhD in biochemistry from Canada, and the experience of my seventy years, I wish to contribute in anyway to bring our sciences back to their traditions of enquiry and discovery. Thank you. Sincerely, chibber@nd.edu
this speech is a asset for our nation .and world also... everyone should listen the speech
everyone here are rating he's oratory skills.. don't know frm whr these ppl with critical remarks in comment section come frm..
we need many more such wise nationalists like mr gurumurty to get back our economy on track,it shows that we hav such ppl who have far more understanding of economics than those harvard scholars who r responsible fr today's economic crisis....hats off to u sir !!!
"India exported steel to China as early as 5th century AD"
N.Joseph Needham - Author of Science and Technology in Ancient China
and also coolies
@@anandy4591 where you the one?
we need to change our education system... these things should be compulsorily taught from the begning
"Many of the advances in the sciences that we consider today to have been made in Europe were in fact made in India centuries ago." -
Grant Duff British Historian of India
Thank you Mr. Gurumurthy, your lecture is an eye opener. I wonder what precisely English did to bring down the economy from 25% to 1.7% in 150 years apart from the fact they cut off the thumbs of Dacca weavers.
Mridul Kumar Sharma Sir anyone through basic Icse history education knows much more than above example. Where to start?
SO happy to see bond between Shri Laal Advani ji and Shri Subhramanian Guruswamy ji.
Hinduism is like the ocean the other religious are like ponds and lakes
wonderful enlightening and inspiring speech. we should come out with our own models rather than following the western models. so that once again India can be a welfare and prosperous country in the world
fantastic speech sir :)
He is the need of current india. Need of young india. Need of nation.
Every word you spoke is true ... we need to seriously think & act on it.
Thank you for sharing such invaluable information.
great intellectual from my motherland !!!!!
Great talk by Guru... Family as a unit now.. Covid 19 times is a OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FAMILY AS A UNIT... is a opportunity for " Cottage industry " at home. ( family ) from MAKE A WILL FOUNDATION..
great thinker and an exponantiatle speaker giving lucid thought and making us think aloud that how much we do not know the real india
such a good analysis. i have become your fan. plz keep giving more lectures as we are not aware of all this.
That's awesome speech and very informative. Thank you sir.
Gurumurti ji is one of the greatest thinkers,.... And " doers ".. with action
Today is 5.5.2018 and even after nearly 6 YEARS your Own BJP leaders/members seemed to never listen to this. Our Honorable Prime Minister Narenedra Modi ji may be thinking to bring India among the most Powerful Economy in the world but mostly none of the colleagues and members .Let them listen to your speech NOW even after the lapse of SIX YEARS to get an inner awakening ,apart from being members and politicians,that they are also Indians and doing something to every part of their Motherland ,from East to West and North to even SOUTH ,inclusive of TamilNadu,is their UTMOST paramount duty.
Preserving our Hindu traditions, values and Culture is the most important to be done right now next to protecting their skin and heart and should never go with class-less political parties and should scrap them with fiery iron hands.
Every human being is to be treated alike as an individual human only irrespective of their background ,affiliation and caste mostly very evenly and India should NEVER be jeopardized by any threat and rebuke inside from any communal and political forces and outside by any kind foreign invasion and India needs to be shielded thru the ancient way of defense system known as saama,dhana,bedha and if not possible the Dhanda Method to bring peace and amity in this great Country called Hindustan aka BHARAT BHARAT MATA KI Jai
Sir, it was a excellent speech, There is no doubt our social and economic structure is commendable. I have some questions. You were giving stats for the last 1000 to 2000 years quoting the GDP of india, China vs Us and England.
Only in 1500 Columbus discovers US and England ares is 130,000 sq km only which is very small as compared to India and china. obviously the settlement or migration to US happened after 1500 to 1700. in 1800 Industrial revolution in the west changed the face of europe which india failed or neglected to use. In this case how can we compare India and china which is a grown up society with huge land and human resources with US and England.
BJP if they come to power should try to understand what Mr Gurumoorthy has given in his speech. It is an excellent speech with facts& figures.
very impressive and in full relevance of present day problems that india is facing
Thank you Sir.
Sir you are great.
Awesome KNOWLEDGE !!!
great lecture...
Brilliant speech by a brilliant man..
Extraordinary 🙏🌹
Excellent.
Most valuable information sir... Amazing speech sir..... Super duper...
2012-Mr. Gurumurthy you were speaking at a time when UPA was in power, Advani ji is still PM in waiting and Modi ji was yet to become the PM candidate.The present government continued the policies and are exactly what they should not have been as you spoke in your lecture. 2018- Do you think the BJP was able to live up to the expectation that you reposed in them under Mr.Modi and Arun Jaitley?
Salutes to you sir
I am proud he is Tamilian.
I am proud that he is an Indian ( I am not a tamilian)
Great video!!
Thought provoking, particularly the fact that more traditional countries go for bank deposits compared to riskier stocks, also articulation on family and behavioral economies is soundly explained. However I disagree with bank based economy, Indian economy and societies have always been market driven and all our values including religious aspects are accumulative and semi capitalist in nature. A mixed economy that distributes home equity and not just wealth to all people involved is better suited for India. Instances are let people run cargo railways for profit like a cooperative societies under competitive markets, Indian jugad mindset will bring bring value as well improvement in infrastructure. Excellent job.
Excellent
YES WE CAN DO IT....ALL OF US . AND THINK TANKS ARE GETTING INSPIRED THAN YOU TOR OPENING OUR EYES
Eye opener
Super, i think pApu will never understand
Thats better that borrowing money from others and show yourself as a rich nation(USA)
Yes we will raise and people of this country will remove poverty and not any politician..my grandpa was poor, my father was lower middle class and me upper-middle class we will continue to rise..This generation will pull India out of poverty...well you take care of Pakistan, first bring democracy there...
practicality of indian education lacks in applications
Indian economy is robust than America, But still dollar is more than rupee, its just a dirty obligation
Thank you
Thank you Sir
My god.... How wrong I was about our history.
I think even bank driven economy is also not that sustainable
examples are collapse of Spain and Italy
yes it is more rigid to sustain, however if inflation goes more than interest rate this model fails, which is what happened in Spain( where now 57% of youth are unemployed)
The solution in my world is a hybrid society. why not majority of saving in bank (say 50 or 60%) and rest in equities commodities and other smart investment
just a thought
But Modi is now doing almost the opposite of your views. He is all FDI now. What has gone wrong?
Well u certainly have Nirav Modi from Gujarat........He may be right all the way, buy as usual he never spoke about "CASTE DISCRIMINATION"........
30:24 -- manmohan singh jagdish bhagwati , indian women should spend more and not save. Didn't happen. Then goldman sacs paper on how native savings can fund > 1trillion needs of Indian infra without relying on foreign investment
me too mr. pprashant. you are right.
jai hind
Constantly functioning ' Think Tank "
Angus Madison.. UK
India was such a fragmented country with so many small States with local princes...but for the British India's infrastructure would have been stuck to bullock cart...
Essentially the West industrialised, innovated and became productive while we were stuck with our old ways...this talk is totally not grounded in proper context...
Traditional India was patriarchal and the women would have never joined the workforce with our old ways...He is totally deluded and propounding a baseless hypothesis.
I agree with all that you say but you need to agree that Indians have lost self esteem over foreigners as a result of the British rule
33% and 26% in economy. and now 33% and 26% in population.. 🤔🤔🤔
Did he say Spain? Though he made some good points, That one line in the last minute has made me feel like I wasted 48 minutes on this.
+Aakash Ravi so last one minute is heavy over all the knowledge he just imparted in his whole lecture...
if thats the case, then u certainly missed the point!
He want to indicate Germany like society ,and it was last minute , pressure might be there to end it within limit so he randomly mention few "Germany" like nation.
@@chakraborty1989 yes.....he was asked to end soon
advani was so honest that they trusted chor sonia and behaved like honest
unfortunately Shri Gurumurthi needs western studies to understand Indian economy of the past. What is his idea behind these talks? Just to tell history? Emulate Japan or Germany? Japan attacked US and got nuclear bombs as reward. Even then they could foster quick trade relations. We are yet to develop such relations with neighbours! Society needs risk takers also. Government should bother more about what is lagging in India. In India people belonging to government, authority are holy Bulls. It bulldozes any thing with out any responsibility and escapes Law. This is most required of India. By the way Germany produced Hitler.
ROFL !! HEALTHY ADVANI BEFORE MODI TEEHEEHEEHEEHEHEHEE : D
Total bull shit...West industrialised and leap frogged while we stuck to cottage industry and agrarian economy...
He should talk about caste problems in India before falsely glorifying India. True India is not made up of Brahmins.
+Healt Wealth Hey man, can't you look beyond it? Anyway the current caste system has been in vogue only since the last 400-500 years or so. If you read about Hindu scriptures from authentic scholars like Swami Vivekananda and not Western scolars, you will understand. I saw your comments in the other video also. Thats what this man is saying isn't it. Get out of Western understanding of Indian culture!!
How many of us dare to marry in another caste? Can Brahmin marry a dalit or vice versa? Or at least think of it?
Can Dalit or anyone other than brahmin become a poojari in Tirupati?
To read Veda (although nothing in it) you should be a "Born" Brahmin in art of living in Bangalore.
Mostly Brahmins dont want to see the caste problems, they see it as dotted line. because caste system helps them to survive through varies means.
How many of us dare to marry in another caste? Can Brahmin marry a dalit or vice versa? Or at least think of it?
Intercaste marriages wont solve the caste issue. Even if many people do not mind it that much these days. I have 3 out of my 6 cousins married from other castes personally for example.
The reality is that other caste hindus are more restrained on this note than brahmins.
By the way, why dont you ask "can a devar or naiyakar or chettiyar marry a dalit?" why only brahmins? LOL!
"Can Dalit or anyone other than brahmin become a poojari in Tirupati?"
Why should he become a priest? what is he trying to prove by that?
The very person who created the existing system of worship in Thirupathi namely ramanuja had initiated thousands of people who are not born brahmins into reading vedas.
For that matter, ramanuja's guru himself was initiated by a dalit.
Apart from that, do not generalize brahmins as a whole. The priests in temples are called sivacharyas or battacharyas (generally called gurukkal) who are brought up from their birth in certain disciplines of learning to do the pooja in the temples. Not every brahmin can enter the sanctum or the garbagraha. I am a brahmin, but I stand exactly where you will stand in a temple because I am not a gurukkal. This is not a caste distinction, this is based on knowledge and qualification.
You wont be allowed into an operation theater. Only a doctor or a nurse will. But you will get the cure as a benefit. If you want to go inside, then become a doctor before you complain.
"To read Veda (although nothing in it) you should be a "Born" Brahmin in art of living in Bangalore."
So you know there is nothing in vedas before reading it?
If yes, your statement becomes just an assumption.
If you read it and then knew nothing is there in it, then are you born a brahmin to read it?
If yes, then it falsifies your own statement.
"Mostly Brahmins dont want to see the caste problems, they see it as dotted line. because caste system helps them to survive through varies means."
It has never been the brahmins who initiated or participated in caste based violence even when it happened in the past 300 years to be precise.
Who created the zamindari system? brahmins or muslims? note that zamin is an arabic word.
And tell me, what percentage of brahmins are getting benefited by "various means" by the caste system?
If you mean by serving in temples, then go and ask a pujari in any normal temple how much he makes each month. Leave thirupathi or such big temples they are just a small fraction of the entire gurukkal community. They get 1800 Rs per month from the government and live off of whatever falls in their aarathi plate. Still they do it because it is their culture, tradition and dedication.
No other brahmins than gurukkals get money from outside the brahmin community for rituals.
The reality is that the caste system has abolished brahmins from earning material wealth. So they are in fact violating it in a sense by going to jobs. But nothing else is practical.
On the contrary the caste system you say brahmins venerate and nurture has let them without govt jobs and college seats.
Do not speak without knowing the facts.
Basically you are telling me gurukull have less money, I am so sorry. There are unfortunately poor brahmins as well as they compete with rich brahmins.
Another reader was telling in the form, caste is created by British, now you are telling Muslim, that's easy. You are also telling brahmins are more knowledegable? On what? Saying in a language no one understands?
Appropriate things around in not considered facts, my friend.
Was that a joke you compared a surgeon to poojari? I want to know what he Mr. Poojari dissects there, I have not seen any surgeon do surgery for free though!
Seena Karunadu "
Basically you are telling me gurukull have less money, I am so sorry. There are unfortunately poor brahmins as well as they compete with rich brahmins. "
Look at the point to which I was replying before drawing conclusions. The earlier comment stated "they dont allow others inside temples for making money or the brahmins maintain the caste system to get money from other castes."
So I explained the reality, that the temples are not minting money as many may think.
And your point, "There are unfortunately poor brahmins as well as they compete with rich brahmins" exactly explains the basis on which people must be seen, economical condition and not their caste.
"Another reader was telling in the form, caste is created by British, now you are telling Muslim, that's easy. "
This is a vast topic so it needs a bit more clarity of explanation.
I did not say the caste system was created by muslims. I only said that the land gifting system introduced by the muslim rulers created the vast difference between so called vaisyas and sudras in the community.
Neither did the other person say britishers created the caste system. They simply made it very rigid. What existed as a communal system became a social class division.
This is something that the britishers are used to in their own society, that is the priests, warriors, knights or lords and peasants.
They applied the same dye to our varna dharma system and made it a rigid and social class difference.
In addition to that, they added this Aryan dravidian nonsense making it even a race based division.
"You are also telling brahmins are more knowledegable? On what? Saying in a language no one understands?"
I am saying the priests who serve in temples have been trained for doing it from their childhood. So they have the know how to worship in temples per the tradition. Which does not make them more knowledgeable but knowing something that is needed in a temple and hence they do the job as appointed.
If you dont understand something then it is not worthless either.
"Appropriate things around in not considered facts, my friend."
What do you mean by the above? Rephrase this sentence.
"Was that a joke you compared a surgeon to poojari? I want to know what he Mr. Poojari dissects there, I have not seen any surgeon do surgery for free though!"
It was a morbid note not a jovial one.
It is very unfortunate that we are ready to accept a western technology so readily while we think there is nothing meaningful in the temple based traditions and worship.
The very structure and rites involved in building a temple is a precise technology known as Agama Sastra.
And this agama sastra combines with silpa shastra, the making of a deity in the form of an idol, after which, the agama continues to expound on the installation and the methods to keep the deity as a channel of grace.
This is actually as complicated if not more so than any western science. All it will take is some reading or speaking to sthapathis or some old gurukkals who know these things.
This will be the effort you need to put to understand the intricacy of the techniques used and their meaning.
If you are not ready to know your own culture but are ready to trash it, then you will become a cultural orphan. Which is what we are heading to with all these divisions and mutual infighting in the name of caste and hatred towards particular communities.
Dishonest and misleading talk
Got anymore to say? Failed communist who never understood economy is
What % of India is he talking about? His bank driven model is failing miserably
The real culprit is RBI
It is customary for Indian to talk great about India.
Mr.Gurumurthy appears to be a 'headline freak'. He is visibly happy that the US social security system is going to be bankrupt, and they are hoping for a miracle.
The truth is, the number of jobs to pay for the past retirees is paid into by today's work force. The assumption is that the number of workers would continue to grow for decades to come. This assumption was made in the 1930's. It stood the test of time for a good 80+ years.
Now, due to globalization, the employment grew in China and India - at the expense of US work force.
The problem is, India and China cannot sustain that employment number if US cuts the manufacturing / services in those countries, and chooses to employ its own. Or, putting it in another way, the US can progress into new technology that will keep the growing.
India is yet mired in old religious traditions - cannot grow unless it progresses in science and technology on its own.
Little does Mr.Gurumurthy seem to know that the stock market crashes in the US are cyclical. It is likely to grow over a period of time.
For example, the market has regained most of what it lost in 2008.
Japan which crashed in late 80's is still limping - because of too much savings.
So, Indian are better advised to do their due diligence.
+ranga rajan And it is customary for apologists talk ill about India. We need more employment due to much more than normal population. But there is also a good ring to it. It's the country with youngest population, whole world is going to need us, provided we make good out of this opportunity through skill development.
You're certainly living under an impression that you have more knowledge on economics than Mr. Gurumurthy.
+ranga rajan the very countries he said that we need to look upto are today in a not so good state. Spain, Japan, france and germany although not as much.
Rahul P true... Indians have colonized mindset. They have learned to laugh on their past and lick western's boots.
You are misleading
I disagree about the gender issue. The overwhelming majority of Indians want a boy child and SO many are aborting female babies that it has become law. When this speaker denies such clear facts, it is difficult to take him seriously.
28:10 The diamond trade went from the Jews to the Gujjews.
+Umar AlFarooq Maybe u can counter him with your STATISTICS.
sorrybhai100 What the hell are you talking about? Do you know how to use Google?
Umar AlFarooq Yea just learnt it a yesterday. Why?
sorrybhai100 Look up the statistics on how many females are being aborted in India. Do you not know there is a law in India against finding out the gender of the baby for a pregnant woman?
+Umar AlFarooq he never said indians dont like girls or not. its a common known problem but saying indian traditional society is root of all problems is wrong. when a listener dont listen to a speaker who present the actual facts, its easy to lose temper
This is the eye opening speech to most of the intellectuals in India.