The ToneX works perfectly in my rig. I have no desire to give up my Strymon, Wampler, Keeley, Source Audio, etc pedals anyway. I just want the multitude of amps that the ToneX provides without spending $1500+. I like being able to adjust my pedals on the fly and my current setup works perfectly for that.
so what if i dont own pedals? i need to invest alot more money for a quality pedasl,so in the end its not cheaper than the kemper and less convenient to take it to a gig with pedal board.not to mention the need of a computer to edit stuff. cheaper devise but more expensive for use.
The Tonex Pedal does have the feature to capture individual pedals as well, so you can actually build a complete pedalboard patch with the pedals you currently use.
@@brandonlewisguitar I enjoy the Tonex also without other pedals, inside I've Comp, EQ, Gate, Reverb. it's funny also as it is...if you want more complete routing you can also add digital multi fx pedals
In theory, if you find your perfect signature/core tone with several effects involved, you can then name that tone as an amp and capture that tone. I hope to experiment with the Tonex on this front. Building a core Amp tone, then augmenting it with other effects could prove fruitful...and reduce stacking 15 pedals, down to 3 or 4 as your base tone pedals can be physically eliminated from your pedalboard rig.
you are so right,as a kemper owner for 6 years now, i can say its a complete machine and you dont have to add anything to it,the effect are great and versatile, its my only gear that i dont have the urge to upgrade or replace by anything else. Now we also have the liquid profile option, that like to buy a new device for free!
Yes .... I have the QC and it can do pretty much everything. You could do an entire show with the QC and not need another pedal. With the Tonex you will need Chorus, Phaser, etc that you might want to use. You would need to add other pedals or a Helix Stomp or other to be able to do all the sounds you might want UNLESS of course you are simplistic and only want the amp/cab sound and some reverb. I love my QC but like you also love the ToneX as well. The thing that stinks right now for me is that the QC doesn't have a desktop editor. Great video!
I've watched a lot of videos before getting myself a Tonex pedal, and tone wise, it doesn't matter, I know a lot of people think one or the other is better because they have that specific unit. I don't care. That being said they're a completely different thing, I still have to use my Helix with my Tonex for the effects.
Good point. I'm thinking about experimenting with the tonex pedal as an amp for my helix and use irs for the cab. That way I can use multiple cabs for cool stereo effects and parallel processing.
The QC is the most powerful modeler on the planet. The Tonex pedal is a $400 modeling pedal for the "just as good as" crowd. The gear isn't even in the same universe. My Vemuram fuzz pedal cost more than the Tonex. In fact, just about everything on my pedal board cost more than the Tonex. The price isn't the issue, but you ALWAYS get what you pay for. I bought the QC and I absolute love it.
Have you ever compared the captures between your QC and the Tonex? If not, try it and avoid pricing biased opinions as you’re doing now, probably because you don’t have both on your hands to test.
Let say, if i dont wanna do any capturing thing on those 3 device. I just wanna plug and play and download capture that evrybody has done make it. Can tonex still be compared to others? Btw between those 3 gear which one that has "chewiness" of an amp?
Talking about amp sounds…TONEX is the winner, downloading stuff from the community (you have to do a lot of research to get good quality tones…is coming something good about this). If you want also effects in the routing QC is the best
@@Utubesup7890 I have Tonex, Kemper, Quad Cortex, Headrush…but mostly for business, I develop sounds packs. Personally Tonex and Quad Cortex are the best
@@MadSteex yes I’ve watched you before. You make the quad sound good. And I think you would agree it’s a really good modeler? I’m just not interested in the tonex. I think I’m covered for now. I have to sell my helix and a guitar and a few pedals. And as I said Kemper is gone and I’m relieved.
his information. You 100% can do everything you need on a Mac for Tonex. I’m making captures right now on a 2018 Intel Mac mini. Everything works great.
You are right ... but not 100% 😉... ToneX + Nux MG30 (yes 277€ only and that is a great multi effects pedal), or + Line 6 Stomp, or + any midle range multi-effects pedals ... and you have a FULL solution for less than 1k€ ... where the Kemper on its own is between 1,6k to 2,2k, 2,5k€, the Helix is 1,5k€, the quad cortex is 1,9k€ .... you do need a computer even with the Kemper, the helix or the Quad Cortex ... just using the units only are nightmares ... and sorry about the fact that it is not yet running on Macs (I did not know that, I am sure it will come) but the PC argument's cost is not fair, as indeed, everyone has a computer and use a computer for home studio purposes (most amateurs guitarists/musicians have a "home studio" nowadays) ... so I do believe that this ToneX pedal is quite near to be a Kemper/Helix/Quad Cortex killer ... thanks for your videos ! 🤘🤘👍👍
I use the quad without a pc all day long. Zero issues. Try and pull yourself away from Your computer. When’s the last time you brought your computer on stage and that goes for the plug in whiners as well. Ridiculous. You all are getting too used to sitting in front of a computer. Look at any guitarist that’s using a quad. Go to their Instagram page. For example Rabea or Plini. I’m not even a Plini fan I don’t like math rock. But he’s sitting with a quad cortex. Not a plug in. The QC has better captures in it already. God get over it.
Buonasera... Macchina che non mi convince... Ho provato il Plugin Tonex e non ho gridato al miracolo.... Non profila...ma é solo un caricatore... E soprattutto gli effetti dove sono? Se devo inserire effetti di una certa caratura i costi si alzano e di parecchio... La considero una macchina non finita....
@@MadSteex si... Tuttavia... Secondo la mia opinione macchina inutile... Già la mooer preamp live faceva questo...rimane una mia opinione... Poi tutti stanno inneggiando a Kemper Killer... Bounty killer... E Friztamyer killer... Ho la vaga impressione che non hanno provato mai un Fractal o un QUAD Cortex
Nobody is saying that it is a whole rig. You absolutely can compare the captures though, I saw a video with someone doing a null test and the Tonex came out pretty well. Its not the same product as the others, buy it does one thing damn well. For someone like me, who like using real pedals, its great. People do need to be aware of differences, and more info is always better."You need a pc, which really makes it as much a a QC" Alright now, come on lol
@@masterofreality230 I don’t want to be tied to a computer for everything I do regarding guitar. It’s amps, pedals or the quad. The quad beats the Kemper and helix in feel and sound, UI and a very easy workflow. It’s great. The whiners of plug ins don’t seem to understand there are already great captures that are better than their plug ins in the QC. They want to save money and sit in front of a computer all day. Not even interested in the tonex.
How many daws run without a computer? Tonex + 2 cables and frfr, complete live rig. Most people that use the tonex will not only be recording but using live as well. Why capture anyway? Most of the rigs will already be there.
I agree it’s really cool. And the price is great but The tonex is basically just a player for the plugin… it’s really no different than the neural amp modeler player.. wich s also cool but I thi k the best option is the Kemper player I love mine, yes it dosnt capture but there are thousands of professionally made profiles and thousands for free, your getting a product of incredible build quality with profiles not just modeling and tons of fx. Realistically how many amps do you own that you need to profile?
I've seen other reviewers who have Macs who are using Tonex software, and the specs on IKMultimedia's page say it works on a machine (Mac or Windows) that does not have a GPU - according to them it just uses the GPU if you have it to accelerate the training/capture. Curious what problems you had using the software?
@@MadSteex I agree performance in advanced capture is pretty bad, but in the video you say it's "useless" which doesn't really seem to be the case. Advanced mode seems more like one that will do a lot of extra computations in order to squeeze a tiny bit of extra quality out. If you want to do a lot of captures, you definitely are going to want some GPU power, or dedicated hardware (which is why a QC is so expensive!). I have both a Windows PC with a decent nVidia GPU and a Macbook Pro with M1 Pro and I can say while the M1 chips are great overall performance wise, as far as GPU performance goes they really aren't anything special - despite how Apple tries to portray it.
Yeah I said “for Advanced mode is useless”…and it’s a pity that since I made captures for business for Presets For All stuff, I should have a winzoz! I hate windows
@@MadSteex An unfortunate problem with Apple's ecosystem. nVidia has written some great API to do this type of general purpose GPU processing but Apple has shut them out to focus on their own processors. I'm not sure if Apple has any equivalent, or does/plans to implement the nVidia APIs, but if they do it would allow IK to bring this functionality to Macs.
@MadSteex - stating that Mac with M1 is useless is a bit manipulation, don’t you think? If it will be better on Mac you could say that you need Mac to do the job as popular windows is useless, or you need a gaming machine to do the job.. All these are not true.. Another manipulation is the price - I think around 1800 euro for QC vs 400 euro for Tonex is huge difference for making profile. So for price with comparable(or better) tone quality for modeling hardware Tonex is a killer.
Devo comprare una reampbox da mettere tra il Fryette PS100 e l'ampli, per catturare i suoni completi di ampli e cassa microfonata ad alto volume. Secondo te devo prendere il TONEX Capture o il Little Lab Redeye 3D? non so se, per questo utilizzo di reamp, una è migliore dell'altra e in che modo può esserlo. Tu immagino avrai altre reampbox, hai notato differenze con il ToneX capture? I need to buy a reampbox to put between the Fryette PS100 and the amp, to capture the full amp and mic the cabinet, high volume. Do you think I should buy TONEX Capture or Little Lab Redeye 3D? I don't know if, for this use of reamp, one is better than the other and how it can be. I imagine you will have other reampboxes, have you noticed any differences with the ToneX capture?
Allora, se lo scopo è catturare con Tonex ti stra consiglio tonex Capture, per un semplice motivo: mettendo da parte il fatto della qualità del reamp (che non sono afferrato) il Tonex Capture ti permette di entrare anche solo con ampli e solo con cab (ovvero ha le entrate dedicate amp e cab separate), occhio che devi sempre essere attaccato con un cabinet perchè non è una loadbox, ma se usi fryette ps100 stai tranquillo. Avendo le entrate separate, come vedi sul plugin Tonex puoi caricare solo l'ampli o solo il cabinet dopo che hai catturato l'intero rig (in questo modo puoi anche mixare ampli di un capture con con casse di un altro capture) e non credo che sia come il Kemper che ovviamente sentendo solo l'arrivo dell'intero rig, puoi escludere il cabinet ma credo che sia solo una interpolazione digitale che fa il kemper. Non so se mi sono spiegato. Se vuoi scrivimi su instagram che chattiamo a voce. So, if the goal is to capture with Tonex I highly recommend Tonex Capture, for one simple reason: putting aside the fact of the quality of the reamp (which I'm not sure about, I'm not expert of that) Tonex Capture allows you to enter even with only an amp and only with cab (that is, it has separate amp and cab dedicated inputs), be careful that you always have to be attached with a cabinet because it is not a loadbox, but if you use fryette ps100 don't worry. By having separate inputs, as you see on the Tonex plugin you can load just the amp or just the cabinet after you've captured the whole rig (this way you can also mix amps from one capture with cabinets from another capture) and I don't think so that it's like the Kemper that obviously hearing only the arrival of the entire rig, you can exclude the cabinet but I think it's just a digital interpolation that the kemper does. I don't know if I explained myself. If you want write me on instagram we chat by voice.
@@Utubesup7890 Why you assume I didn't try - anyway I don't need to try anything to state that Tonex+GX-100 costs less than either Kemper or QC, this is a fact, not opinion, the opinion is that (IMO) it sure sounds better than Kemper, and on the same league as QC (but cheaper), so this is my opinion. I am mainly a bass player, and when the Kemper was still young, I tried it, it was between OK and very good for Guitar tones, but for Bass, - SansAmp was much better. When the QC came out I already owned a GT-core, which is one of the best units for Bass IMO, so I borrowed from a friend to play with it over the weekend, I was very impressed with the capturing, but less so with the FX and the $$$. The Tonex pdl replaced the TwoNotes M+, Tonex has more free tones, and the reverb and compressor are better IMO, also the Tonex can give me OD pdls models, when I use the VERY good Bass amp of the GTC.
As far as capturing multiple amps and drive pedals, it can be compared. And even if you do not do your own captures, you can simply download a ton of great captures from others. The only parts of the Kemper and QC that the Tonex cannot do are easily replaceable for most people with their pedalboard. So the only situation where the ToneX is not a better choice are for people that want one device to do everything. But a ton of people are using other pedals with them anyway.
Yes bt you cant compare the whole machines with their prices.. I do not if was enough explained in the video :). I do agree that Tonex CAPTURE is better, but that is the only thing we can compare.
Many many of us just want one device, it’s convenient, sounds great and doesn’t suffer with the issues of noise like a pedalboard. If you like a traditional pedalboard then this pedal looks like a good option, same as HX stomp etc. but the full sized all in one solutions offer much more functionality so I agree it’s not a good comparison. But as it’s cheep in comparison to the full sized options I’m sure it will sell well.
@@MadSteex it's the same. On Helix it's doesn't sound, on QC cortex it blows my mine, you really have the sound of the chose AMP. On Helix, amps sound all thé same. Od et dost pedal are all thé same.
Yes, is doing just one freaking thing, but doing it greatly thanks. Man... People are paying more on shit stuff like JHS clone pedals, Chase Bliss or Revival I don't know what, for what it is, is good, seems to be very good, honestly (if you listen through people that are capturing stuff or using users capture and not the factory presets), and if the people think a bit before pull the trigger, they can build a solid tone machinery through the Tonex with the right approach, and still leaving some pedals, and old style multi effects like the some cheap Zoom stuff.
sorry, the statement about non-mac-compatibility is bs. Intel: Intel® Core™ i3 (Core i5 recommended for Modeler), macOS® 10.11 (macOS® 11 Big Sur required for Modeler), 4 GB of RAM, 6 GB of hard drive space. Apple Silicon: Apple M1, macOS® 11, 4 GB of RAM, 6 GB of hard drive space. ... Supported Plug-in formats : Audio Units, VST 2, VST 3, AAX.
I use to have the kemper the power amp version., My opinion it is hot garbage on top of it the volume would go up and down by it self. it took almost two years to convince sweet water to take it back it was a true nightmare
Re the Kemper, I hated it. The feel was not there. It needed a pedal to help with feel and sound and when I’d lower the guitar’s volume it sounded like a cocked wah. The tiny little screen couldn’t get smaller and the rig manager was a nightmare. Gone sold bye. Love the quad.
@@Utubesup7890 as soon as you change anything in the eq the kemper only sounds like a kemper. My Mesa has a cab clone which I plug into my interface. I am thinking of getting the two notes M cab pedal. Heard amazing things about it
@@crate718 I’ve never tried that. I’m trying not to buy anymore gear. I’ve overdone it. But like I said I love my amps and I’m a pedal addict whose in recovery. But I started with the worst unplayable gear possible. So it took a long time to save up and trade up. I only got better gear as I got better. But re the quad, I really like it. I passed on it 3x I was so unhappy with other modelers. I finally gave in after seeing and hearing a few players. The only other modeler I do like and it comes with its own power is the Yamaha 100hd double modeler. It’s got the feel and the sound and it’s $800 new. Much less used. Anyway, good luck buddy. I hope it works out for you. PS I didn’t get any help from Kemper. But I did receive a lot of help from Neuraldsp.
This video does'nt really make sense especially in a real world context. The Tonex should be compared to them for its sounds which are the best, better than the comparable Kemper Player too which is an obvious competitor btw. For a guy gigging like me it still is a good comparison because if you want to get a pedalboard only for example you have the choice between the QC, the Kemper Stage or for cheaper you get the Tonex, an expression pedal and either a HX Stomp or HX Effects which will give you the best Amp and cab sounds on the market, the best effects on the market (Helix reigns supreme on the effects no contest) with a smaller form factor to the Kemper Stage and comparable to the QC but with a sturdier rig and again, cheaper. Nobody cares that the Tonex by itself doesn't really do effects if the sounds are the best and you can get the Stomp or FX for cheaper than the rest, who says you have to stay with just one machine? With its price and form factor and the fact that it has the best sounds the Tonex is a game changer period and if I decide to get rid of my amp I'm going for that for sure. Now the Windows capture thing is a fair point, but the Ik Media downloadable database is growing bigger and bigger so that's part of the solution
Ho capito il tuo discorso e sono d'accordo con te, però riguarda solo chi vuole, sa e può catturare i suoi ampli/pedali, riguarda una bassa % di persone come succede per chi ha kemper e quad cortex. Per questo preferiscono comprare profili/captures diciamo professionali, quindi già pronti. I understood your speech and I agree with you, but it only concerns those who want, know and can capture their amps/pedals, it concerns a low % of people as happens for those with kemper and quad cortex. For this reason they prefer to buy professional profiles/captures, therefore ready-made
Ma infatti sono d'accordo con te sui profili e captures :) Infatti io ho i tre sistemi solamente per creare profili/captures, perchè fa parte del mio lavoro. Certo che uno deve fare le proprie comparazioni, ma mi riferivo cal fatto che c'è gente che compara solo A con B e non parte di A con parte di B proprio perchè sono macchine diverse, concepite per usi diversi. But in fact I agree with you about the profiles and captures :) In fact I have the three systems only to create profiles/captures, because it's part of my business. Of course anyone has to make his own comparisons, but I was referring to the fact that there are people who compare the whole A with B and not part of A with part of B precisely because they are different machines, designed for different uses.
@@MadSteex Si infatti, in generale il ragionamento è giusto, un sistema non esclude l'altro perché sono appunto diversi, ognuno ha features che l'altro non ha, il ToneX ne ha meno di tutte però cattura meglio che è la cosa più importante. Infatti per me, per esempio, avendo già avuto il kemper per anni, sarà fastidioso dover utilizzare il plugin di ToneX per catturare i suoni, quindi comprare un reampbox, passare dalla DAW, avere un pc super per velocizzare il procedimento di cattura. Però ci si abituerà. Vorrei chiederti un consiglio, lo faccio nel prox post Indeed, in general the reasoning is correct, one system does not exclude the other because they are different, each one has features that the other does not have, the ToneX has the least of all but it captures better which is the most important thing. In fact for me, for example, having already had the kemper for years, it will be annoying to have to use the ToneX plugin to capture sounds, then buy a reampbox, switch from the DAW, have a super pc to speed up the capture process. But you will get used to it. I would like to ask you for advice, I do it in the next post
I can't hear the difference from real thing. Tonex is a killer to all it's competence. I use with GT1K Core and i need nothing more.... Tonex alone it's not enough because it doesn't have modulation and time based fx, but to simulate amps and cabs are the best. Just one thing I didn't understand...Tonex need windows? Not true, I don't have windows and use tonex editor in my mac with no need to install drivers...BTW, my mac has a 8 core GPU, but i don't know why is necessary for tonex... Sorry, but this video has no sense to me.
Maybe because you didn't spend the time to listen what I said carefully, my video is PRO tonex, not against and I've said exactly what you are saying about. Also I'm saying that Tonex is optimized for Windows regarding the capture process, cause is based on Nvidia GPU and the time to process the capture on mac is very long in advanced mode with my Mac Studio M1 Max takes 1 hour and half. Said that, please see the whole video before writing bulshits that I do not said! Thanks piece and love
Come on. Of course you can and should compare the captures to the real Deal and the captures of the Kemper and QC. It's about amp sound and feel. That's all about. Everything else is routing and bla.
The captures of the quad are way better in feel and sound. The Kemper isn’t even in the same league. That’s why I say sold it. There’s something in the quad that I can’t explain because I’m not a software engineer that has something to do with compression ratio etc that makes it feel better. The sounds are just better. Things get better with time and the more software developers learn new ways of doing things.
@@MadSteex not sure why a graphic card has any thing to do with sound but I will take your word for it. For now my Mesa triple crown has a cab clone and works fine and I have roommates that really suck the cab clone is life saver
Any video I have seen claiming the Tonex is a Kemper/QC killer, has made clear (usually multiple times) for anyone needing an all in one solution the Tonex is not the answer. However, you can compare the quality of the tones produced and these videos are definitely serving someone like me, who can't afford a QC or Kemper, but does already own all the other effect types in those boxes and can live with the limitations, ie no effects loop etc
Most of the people who are going to buy tonex would buy it becausecits cheap and that means the amps that they want to play through tonex they dont own them so as a result people who are going to buy tonex are going to download the amp modelled by someone else. So all those points about buying a capture device and buying a PC with Nvidia, to me sound irrelevant.
Thank you for some rational sense. The difference between the modelling/capturing is close to insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Choose the platform you prefer based on your needs and your budget. Simple as that. And enjoy making music and stop wasting time debating/arguing/yada yada what is the best. We’re all spoilt for choice, that’s the plain truth. I love my Quad Cortex though. It’s my end game piece of gear. For the time being at least 😅
@maxsteex, hey man, fellow RUclipsr here. Don’t worry about the jerks that leave you negative comments. Trust me, with nearly 70k subscribers myself, I get jerks and idiots all the time and I simply block them from my channel. Those people NEVER have their own channel where they share content. They just troll around pissing on others who are only trying to help. Keep doing what you do and don’t worry about those people.
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Hi! I know your channel, I've followed when I was at beginning with Studio One and you really helped me discover the version 2 :) I appreciate your comment. I simply like to answer to haters, they will never win
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Usually I really don't hate on other peoples videos but in this case, I just had to. I feel like being manipulated. It's just a case of fake news, what he said, that the M1 would be useless in the advance mode with the ToneX. Somebody else mentioned it in the comment section before and just look, how aggressive his answers were. It's just pure bullshit. So it is my good right to feel sad about my wasted time.
The ToneX works perfectly in my rig. I have no desire to give up my Strymon, Wampler, Keeley, Source Audio, etc pedals anyway. I just want the multitude of amps that the ToneX provides without spending $1500+. I like being able to adjust my pedals on the fly and my current setup works perfectly for that.
so what if i dont own pedals? i need to invest alot more money for a quality pedasl,so in the end its not cheaper than the kemper and less convenient to take it to a gig with pedal board.not to mention the need of a computer to edit stuff. cheaper devise but more expensive for use.
The Tonex Pedal does have the feature to capture individual pedals as well, so you can actually build a complete pedalboard patch with the pedals you currently use.
I think you can capture your rig with a drive pedal, or maybe more than one drive. But I am not sure about other types of effects.
@@masterofreality230 only dynamic effects
what if you don't have pedals
@@brandonlewisguitar I enjoy the Tonex also without other pedals, inside I've Comp, EQ, Gate, Reverb. it's funny also as it is...if you want more complete routing you can also add digital multi fx pedals
In theory, if you find your perfect signature/core tone with several effects involved, you can then name that tone as an amp and capture that tone. I hope to experiment with the Tonex on this front. Building a core Amp tone, then augmenting it with other effects could prove fruitful...and reduce stacking 15 pedals, down to 3 or 4 as your base tone pedals can be physically eliminated from your pedalboard rig.
The ToneX killed my Kemper and my FM9. Never go back.
you are so right,as a kemper owner for 6 years now, i can say its a complete machine and you dont have to add anything to it,the effect are great and versatile, its my only gear that i dont have the urge to upgrade or replace by anything else. Now we also have the liquid profile option, that like to buy a new device for free!
Yes .... I have the QC and it can do pretty much everything. You could do an entire show with the QC and not need another pedal. With the Tonex you will need Chorus, Phaser, etc that you might want to use. You would need to add other pedals or a Helix Stomp or other to be able to do all the sounds you might want UNLESS of course you are simplistic and only want the amp/cab sound and some reverb. I love my QC but like you also love the ToneX as well. The thing that stinks right now for me is that the QC doesn't have a desktop editor. Great video!
Is not this the way guitarist have been doing it for decades? putting all the effects they need as pedal and using the amp?
I have a Boss GT1000, which already has great effects, so the ToneX made more sense for me. Otherwise, I might have gone with one of the other units
Great review! thank you so much. One question, can the Quad capture be used on the Tonex?
Hi thanks! QC and Tonex are different tech and cannot share files
I've watched a lot of videos before getting myself a Tonex pedal, and tone wise, it doesn't matter, I know a lot of people think one or the other is better because they have that specific unit. I don't care. That being said they're a completely different thing, I still have to use my Helix with my Tonex for the effects.
Good point. I'm thinking about experimenting with the tonex pedal as an amp for my helix and use irs for the cab. That way I can use multiple cabs for cool stereo effects and parallel processing.
Right choice
Have you tried connecting Tonex with QC? For example, using only the amplifier from Tonex and effects + cab IR from QC? Best regards.
Yes you can do that, sincerly will enlarge too much the form factor, and will cost too much for a normal person. Effects on QC also I'm no a big fan
The QC is the most powerful modeler on the planet. The Tonex pedal is a $400 modeling pedal for the "just as good as" crowd. The gear isn't even in the same universe. My Vemuram fuzz pedal cost more than the Tonex. In fact, just about everything on my pedal board cost more than the Tonex. The price isn't the issue, but you ALWAYS get what you pay for. I bought the QC and I absolute love it.
Have you ever compared the captures between your QC and the Tonex? If not, try it and avoid pricing biased opinions as you’re doing now, probably because you don’t have both on your hands to test.
Let say, if i dont wanna do any capturing thing on those 3 device. I just wanna plug and play and download capture that evrybody has done make it. Can tonex still be compared to others?
Btw between those 3 gear which one that has "chewiness" of an amp?
Talking about amp sounds…TONEX is the winner, downloading stuff from the community (you have to do a lot of research to get good quality tones…is coming something good about this). If you want also effects in the routing QC is the best
How does it feel when you play it does it feel like a real amp or is it similar to playing a Quad or Kemper?
It feels really good, no any audible latency
The quad feels like an amp. The Kemper does NOT. Not comparable. Which one did you actually own? Hmm 🤔
@@Utubesup7890 I have Tonex, Kemper, Quad Cortex, Headrush…but mostly for business, I develop sounds packs.
Personally Tonex and Quad Cortex are the best
@@MadSteex yes I’ve watched you before. You make the quad sound good. And I think you would agree it’s a really good modeler? I’m just not interested in the tonex. I think I’m covered for now. I have to sell my helix and a guitar and a few pedals. And as I said Kemper is gone and I’m relieved.
@@Utubesup7890 yes Quad Cortex is really versatile.
It compares, just depends on the user and their needs.
his information. You 100% can do everything you need on a Mac for Tonex. I’m making captures right now on a 2018 Intel Mac mini. Everything works great.
@@ProGoTones yeah how much time takes to make advanced captures? More than 1.5 hours with my Mac Studio, so listen carefully what I said
You are right ... but not 100% 😉... ToneX + Nux MG30 (yes 277€ only and that is a great multi effects pedal), or + Line 6 Stomp, or + any midle range multi-effects pedals ... and you have a FULL solution for less than 1k€ ... where the Kemper on its own is between 1,6k to 2,2k, 2,5k€, the Helix is 1,5k€, the quad cortex is 1,9k€ .... you do need a computer even with the Kemper, the helix or the Quad Cortex ... just using the units only are nightmares ... and sorry about the fact that it is not yet running on Macs (I did not know that, I am sure it will come) but the PC argument's cost is not fair, as indeed, everyone has a computer and use a computer for home studio purposes (most amateurs guitarists/musicians have a "home studio" nowadays) ... so I do believe that this ToneX pedal is quite near to be a Kemper/Helix/Quad Cortex killer ... thanks for your videos ! 🤘🤘👍👍
I use the quad without a pc all day long. Zero issues. Try and pull yourself away from
Your computer. When’s the last time you brought your computer on stage and that goes for the plug in whiners as well. Ridiculous. You all are getting too used to sitting in front of a computer. Look at any guitarist that’s using a quad. Go to their Instagram page. For example Rabea or Plini. I’m not even a Plini fan I don’t like math rock. But he’s sitting with a quad cortex. Not a plug in. The QC has better captures in it already. God get over it.
honest straight forward review
Buonasera... Macchina che non mi convince... Ho provato il Plugin Tonex e non ho gridato al miracolo.... Non profila...ma é solo un caricatore... E soprattutto gli effetti dove sono? Se devo inserire effetti di una certa caratura i costi si alzano e di parecchio... La considero una macchina non finita....
Come non profila? certo che cattura...mi sa che ti sei perso dei pezzi...comnque il video dice esattamente quello che dici tu sl prezzo
@@MadSteex profila.. Si... Ma necessiti di un pc con le palle... Più il Pedal Tonex capture che costa altre 200 euro....
E buonasera...
@@iacopomosca5282 ed è un'altra cosa che ho detto nel video....l'hai visto?
@@MadSteex si... Tuttavia... Secondo la mia opinione macchina inutile... Già la mooer preamp live faceva questo...rimane una mia opinione... Poi tutti stanno inneggiando a Kemper Killer... Bounty killer... E Friztamyer killer... Ho la vaga impressione che non hanno provato mai un Fractal o un QUAD Cortex
Very good points. Also struggle with Apple and the ToneX Plug ins. Liked your comments :)
Nobody is saying that it is a whole rig. You absolutely can compare the captures though, I saw a video with someone doing a null test and the Tonex came out pretty well. Its not the same product as the others, buy it does one thing damn well. For someone like me, who like using real pedals, its great. People do need to be aware of differences, and more info is always better."You need a pc, which really makes it as much a a QC" Alright now, come on lol
That’s my point, we agree. Anyway you don’t need a pc to capture with quad cortex
@@MadSteex Right, I just figure that most people, especially who play and/or record have decent PCs, but hey, maybe not.
@@masterofreality230 yes. Infact I said that it’s rare. But the pedal is to play live…so potentially someone do not have an updated pc.
@@MadSteex Right, for absolute convenience, grabbing one box is about as good as it gets.
@@masterofreality230 I don’t want to be tied to a computer for everything I do regarding guitar. It’s amps, pedals or the quad. The quad beats the Kemper and helix in feel and sound, UI and a very easy workflow. It’s great. The whiners of plug ins don’t seem to understand there are already great captures that are better than their plug ins in the QC. They want to save money and sit in front of a computer all day. Not even interested in the tonex.
How many daws run without a computer? Tonex + 2 cables and frfr, complete live rig. Most people that use the tonex will not only be recording but using live as well. Why capture anyway? Most of the rigs will already be there.
Cause stock captures suck?! :)
@@MadSteex They can. But many will work fine for the average musician on stage.
Just add a HX Stomp with a Tonex pedal and it kind of better as a Stone alone unit
I agree it’s really cool. And the price is great but The tonex is basically just a player for the plugin… it’s really no different than the neural amp modeler player.. wich s also cool but I thi k the best option is the Kemper player I love mine, yes it dosnt capture but there are thousands of professionally made profiles and thousands for free, your getting a product of incredible build quality with profiles not just modeling and tons of fx. Realistically how many amps do you own that you need to profile?
I've seen other reviewers who have Macs who are using Tonex software, and the specs on IKMultimedia's page say it works on a machine (Mac or Windows) that does not have a GPU - according to them it just uses the GPU if you have it to accelerate the training/capture. Curious what problems you had using the software?
Yes works with mac. But the capture process in advanced mode takes 1 hour and half. Instead with pc with good Nvidia gpu takes 10 min or less
@@MadSteex I agree performance in advanced capture is pretty bad, but in the video you say it's "useless" which doesn't really seem to be the case. Advanced mode seems more like one that will do a lot of extra computations in order to squeeze a tiny bit of extra quality out. If you want to do a lot of captures, you definitely are going to want some GPU power, or dedicated hardware (which is why a QC is so expensive!). I have both a Windows PC with a decent nVidia GPU and a Macbook Pro with M1 Pro and I can say while the M1 chips are great overall performance wise, as far as GPU performance goes they really aren't anything special - despite how Apple tries to portray it.
Yeah I said “for Advanced mode is useless”…and it’s a pity that since I made captures for business for Presets For All stuff, I should have a winzoz! I hate windows
@@MadSteex An unfortunate problem with Apple's ecosystem. nVidia has written some great API to do this type of general purpose GPU processing but Apple has shut them out to focus on their own processors. I'm not sure if Apple has any equivalent, or does/plans to implement the nVidia APIs, but if they do it would allow IK to bring this functionality to Macs.
@MadSteex - stating that Mac with M1 is useless is a bit manipulation, don’t you think? If it will be better on Mac you could say that you need Mac to do the job as popular windows is useless, or you need a gaming machine to do the job.. All these are not true..
Another manipulation is the price - I think around 1800 euro for QC vs 400 euro for Tonex is huge difference for making profile. So for price with comparable(or better) tone quality for modeling hardware Tonex is a killer.
Devo comprare una reampbox da mettere tra il Fryette PS100 e l'ampli, per catturare i suoni completi di ampli e cassa microfonata ad alto volume. Secondo te devo prendere il TONEX Capture o il Little Lab Redeye 3D? non so se, per questo utilizzo di reamp, una è migliore dell'altra e in che modo può esserlo. Tu immagino avrai altre reampbox, hai notato differenze con il ToneX capture?
I need to buy a reampbox to put between the Fryette PS100 and the amp, to capture the full amp and mic the cabinet, high volume. Do you think I should buy TONEX Capture or Little Lab Redeye 3D? I don't know if, for this use of reamp, one is better than the other and how it can be. I imagine you will have other reampboxes, have you noticed any differences with the ToneX capture?
Allora, se lo scopo è catturare con Tonex ti stra consiglio tonex Capture, per un semplice motivo: mettendo da parte il fatto della qualità del reamp (che non sono afferrato) il Tonex Capture ti permette di entrare anche solo con ampli e solo con cab (ovvero ha le entrate dedicate amp e cab separate), occhio che devi sempre essere attaccato con un cabinet perchè non è una loadbox, ma se usi fryette ps100 stai tranquillo. Avendo le entrate separate, come vedi sul plugin Tonex puoi caricare solo l'ampli o solo il cabinet dopo che hai catturato l'intero rig (in questo modo puoi anche mixare ampli di un capture con con casse di un altro capture) e non credo che sia come il Kemper che ovviamente sentendo solo l'arrivo dell'intero rig, puoi escludere il cabinet ma credo che sia solo una interpolazione digitale che fa il kemper. Non so se mi sono spiegato. Se vuoi scrivimi su instagram che chattiamo a voce.
So, if the goal is to capture with Tonex I highly recommend Tonex Capture, for one simple reason: putting aside the fact of the quality of the reamp (which I'm not sure about, I'm not expert of that) Tonex Capture allows you to enter even with only an amp and only with cab (that is, it has separate amp and cab dedicated inputs), be careful that you always have to be attached with a cabinet because it is not a loadbox, but if you use fryette ps100 don't worry. By having separate inputs, as you see on the Tonex plugin you can load just the amp or just the cabinet after you've captured the whole rig (this way you can also mix amps from one capture with cabinets from another capture) and I don't think so that it's like the Kemper that obviously hearing only the arrival of the entire rig, you can exclude the cabinet but I think it's just a digital interpolation that the kemper does. I don't know if I explained myself. If you want write me on instagram we chat by voice.
Awesome video. Mu favorite Band ( Angra) both guitarrists are using Kemper. Im looking for more information about ir. Thank u men
Still ToneX Pdl + Boss ME-80/GX-100 or even GT CORE is much less than either QC or Kemper.
You have not seen the video
No it’s not. Some sound good. Others don’t. Unless you’ve owned it or tried it how can you say anything about a product you’ve never tried?
@@Utubesup7890 Why you assume I didn't try - anyway I don't need to try anything to state that Tonex+GX-100 costs less than either Kemper or QC, this is a fact, not opinion, the opinion is that (IMO) it sure sounds better than Kemper, and on the same league as QC (but cheaper), so this is my opinion. I am mainly a bass player, and when the Kemper was still young, I tried it, it was between OK and very good for Guitar tones, but for Bass, - SansAmp was much better. When the QC came out I already owned a GT-core, which is one of the best units for Bass IMO, so I borrowed from a friend to play with it over the weekend, I was very impressed with the capturing, but less so with the FX and the $$$. The Tonex pdl replaced the TwoNotes M+, Tonex has more free tones, and the reverb and compressor are better IMO, also the Tonex can give me OD pdls models, when I use the VERY good Bass amp of the GTC.
@@bennybe1977 so go with your tonex but I’m
sricking with the quad.
As far as capturing multiple amps and drive pedals, it can be compared. And even if you do not do your own captures, you can simply download a ton of great captures from others.
The only parts of the Kemper and QC that the Tonex cannot do are easily replaceable for most people with their pedalboard.
So the only situation where the ToneX is not a better choice are for people that want one device to do everything. But a ton of people are using other pedals with them anyway.
Yes bt you cant compare the whole machines with their prices.. I do not if was enough explained in the video :). I do agree that Tonex CAPTURE is better, but that is the only thing we can compare.
Many many of us just want one device, it’s convenient, sounds great and doesn’t suffer with the issues of noise like a pedalboard.
If you like a traditional pedalboard then this pedal looks like a good option, same as HX stomp etc. but the full sized all in one solutions offer much more functionality so I agree it’s not a good comparison. But as it’s cheep in comparison to the full sized options I’m sure it will sell well.
Great video. I agree with you.
You're not my real dad, you can't tell me what to do! I can compare the Tonex to a cheese sandwich if I want.
More similar to a burned piece of bread 🍞
Great video man.
Thanks :)
I hesitate tonex+hx stomp or a quad cortex. Bored to tweak my helix lt all the time.
If you are bored to tweak, get a real amp ;) all modelers have to be tweaked a lot to get the right sound
@@MadSteex i bought QC cortex , no tweak AT all
@@npiofficiel probably because you use pre-made presets from someone else :) someone tweaked for you
@@MadSteex it's the same. On Helix it's doesn't sound, on QC cortex it blows my mine, you really have the sound of the chose AMP. On Helix, amps sound all thé same. Od et dost pedal are all thé same.
You sure can. Watch me.. they all do analog amp tones digitally. See?
1:59 are you thinking of Neural Amp Modeler (NAM)? 🙂
Exactly :)
Yes, is doing just one freaking thing, but doing it greatly thanks.
Man... People are paying more on shit stuff like JHS clone pedals, Chase Bliss or Revival I don't know what, for what it is, is good, seems to be very good, honestly (if you listen through people that are capturing stuff or using users capture and not the factory presets), and if the people think a bit before pull the trigger, they can build a solid tone machinery through the Tonex with the right approach, and still leaving some pedals, and old style multi effects like the some cheap Zoom stuff.
I agree with you, making captures/profile is one of my business too :) never use crappy stock captures
@@MadSteex mai! Haha
I have a neunaber reverb and a tc plethora and nice walrus overdrive. Why would I even think of buying a quad cortex. I’m buying a tonex.
No one said the opposite :)
Because maybe the quad’s great. Idk just my opinion.
sorry, the statement about non-mac-compatibility is bs.
Intel: Intel® Core™ i3 (Core i5 recommended for Modeler), macOS® 10.11 (macOS® 11 Big Sur required for Modeler), 4 GB of RAM, 6 GB of hard drive space.
Apple Silicon: Apple M1, macOS® 11, 4 GB of RAM, 6 GB of hard drive space. ...
Supported Plug-in formats : Audio Units, VST 2, VST 3, AAX.
My point is to capture in fast way in Advanced mode, not to use the software. Listen what I said.
I use to have the kemper the power amp version., My opinion it is hot garbage on top of it the volume would go up and down by it self. it took almost two years to convince sweet water to take it back it was a true nightmare
Re the Kemper, I hated it. The feel was not there. It needed a pedal to help with feel and sound and when I’d lower the guitar’s volume it sounded like a cocked wah. The tiny little screen couldn’t get smaller and the rig manager was a nightmare. Gone sold bye. Love the quad.
@@Utubesup7890 as soon as you change anything in the eq the kemper only sounds like a kemper. My Mesa has a cab clone which I plug into my interface. I am thinking of getting the two notes M cab pedal. Heard amazing things about it
@@crate718 I’ve never tried that. I’m trying not to buy anymore gear. I’ve overdone it. But like I said I love my amps and I’m a pedal addict whose in recovery. But I started with the worst unplayable gear possible. So it took a long time to save up and trade up. I only got better gear as I got better. But re the quad, I really like it. I passed on it 3x I was so unhappy with other modelers. I finally gave in after seeing and hearing a few players. The only other modeler I do like and it comes with its own power is the Yamaha 100hd double modeler. It’s got the feel and the sound and it’s $800 new. Much less used. Anyway, good luck buddy. I hope it works out for you. PS I didn’t get any help from Kemper. But I did receive a lot of help from Neuraldsp.
This video does'nt really make sense especially in a real world context. The Tonex should be compared to them for its sounds which are the best, better than the comparable Kemper Player too which is an obvious competitor btw. For a guy gigging like me it still is a good comparison because if you want to get a pedalboard only for example you have the choice between the QC, the Kemper Stage or for cheaper you get the Tonex, an expression pedal and either a HX Stomp or HX Effects which will give you the best Amp and cab sounds on the market, the best effects on the market (Helix reigns supreme on the effects no contest) with a smaller form factor to the Kemper Stage and comparable to the QC but with a sturdier rig and again, cheaper. Nobody cares that the Tonex by itself doesn't really do effects if the sounds are the best and you can get the Stomp or FX for cheaper than the rest, who says you have to stay with just one machine? With its price and form factor and the fact that it has the best sounds the Tonex is a game changer period and if I decide to get rid of my amp I'm going for that for sure. Now the Windows capture thing is a fair point, but the Ik Media downloadable database is growing bigger and bigger so that's part of the solution
Very easy to compare to Kemper Player since this video was made before the release of Kemper Player 😂
All good points! The Tonex pedal also works nicely with the QC!
Ho capito il tuo discorso e sono d'accordo con te, però riguarda solo chi vuole, sa e può catturare i suoi ampli/pedali, riguarda una bassa % di persone come succede per chi ha kemper e quad cortex. Per questo preferiscono comprare profili/captures diciamo professionali, quindi già pronti.
I understood your speech and I agree with you, but it only concerns those who want, know and can capture their amps/pedals, it concerns a low % of people as happens for those with kemper and quad cortex. For this reason they prefer to buy professional profiles/captures, therefore ready-made
Ma infatti sono d'accordo con te sui profili e captures :) Infatti io ho i tre sistemi solamente per creare profili/captures, perchè fa parte del mio lavoro.
Certo che uno deve fare le proprie comparazioni, ma mi riferivo cal fatto che c'è gente che compara solo A con B e non parte di A con parte di B proprio perchè sono macchine diverse, concepite per usi diversi.
But in fact I agree with you about the profiles and captures :) In fact I have the three systems only to create profiles/captures, because it's part of my business.
Of course anyone has to make his own comparisons, but I was referring to the fact that there are people who compare the whole A with B and not part of A with part of B precisely because they are different machines, designed for different uses.
@@MadSteex Si infatti, in generale il ragionamento è giusto, un sistema non esclude l'altro perché sono appunto diversi, ognuno ha features che l'altro non ha, il ToneX ne ha meno di tutte però cattura meglio che è la cosa più importante. Infatti per me, per esempio, avendo già avuto il kemper per anni, sarà fastidioso dover utilizzare il plugin di ToneX per catturare i suoni, quindi comprare un reampbox, passare dalla DAW, avere un pc super per velocizzare il procedimento di cattura. Però ci si abituerà. Vorrei chiederti un consiglio, lo faccio nel prox post
Indeed, in general the reasoning is correct, one system does not exclude the other because they are different, each one has features that the other does not have, the ToneX has the least of all but it captures better which is the most important thing. In fact for me, for example, having already had the kemper for years, it will be annoying to have to use the ToneX plugin to capture sounds, then buy a reampbox, switch from the DAW, have a super pc to speed up the capture process. But you will get used to it. I would like to ask you for advice, I do it in the next post
@@fabmarshallover Son d'accordo su tutto!
I agree!
Tonex does not have a "built in tuner" what a flaw
ouch now how can I live without? it's only update things
I can't hear the difference from real thing. Tonex is a killer to all it's competence. I use with GT1K Core and i need nothing more.... Tonex alone it's not enough because it doesn't have modulation and time based fx, but to simulate amps and cabs are the best. Just one thing I didn't understand...Tonex need windows? Not true, I don't have windows and use tonex editor in my mac with no need to install drivers...BTW, my mac has a 8 core GPU, but i don't know why is necessary for tonex... Sorry, but this video has no sense to me.
Maybe because you didn't spend the time to listen what I said carefully, my video is PRO tonex, not against and I've said exactly what you are saying about. Also I'm saying that Tonex is optimized for Windows regarding the capture process, cause is based on Nvidia GPU and the time to process the capture on mac is very long in advanced mode with my Mac Studio M1 Max takes 1 hour and half. Said that, please see the whole video before writing bulshits that I do not said!
Thanks
piece and love
Come on. Of course you can and should compare the captures to the real Deal and the captures of the Kemper and QC. It's about amp sound and feel. That's all about. Everything else is routing and bla.
Yes, only the capture. But not the whole machine and its prices
The captures of the quad are way better in feel and sound. The Kemper isn’t even in the same league. That’s why I say sold it. There’s something in the quad that I can’t explain because I’m not a software engineer that has something to do with compression ratio etc that makes it feel better. The sounds are just better. Things get better with time and the more software developers learn new ways of doing things.
so AMD gpu is not good?
Amd gpu is amazing! But not for Tonex cause it is based on Nvidia GPU
@@MadSteex not sure why a graphic card has any thing to do with sound but I will take your word for it. For now my Mesa triple crown has a cab clone and works fine and I have roommates that really suck the cab clone is life saver
@@crate718 It's not about the sound but about the computational work that the Neural engine is based on
Any video I have seen claiming the Tonex is a Kemper/QC killer, has made clear (usually multiple times) for anyone needing an all in one solution the Tonex is not the answer. However, you can compare the quality of the tones produced and these videos are definitely serving someone like me, who can't afford a QC or Kemper, but does already own all the other effect types in those boxes and can live with the limitations, ie no effects loop etc
That’s my point too
Most of the people who are going to buy tonex would buy it becausecits cheap and that means the amps that they want to play through tonex they dont own them so as a result people who are going to buy tonex are going to download the amp modelled by someone else. So all those points about buying a capture device and buying a PC with Nvidia, to me sound irrelevant.
I'm a producer and I develop official captures, so I've different p.o.v
@@MadSteex Sorry I was talking about most of the people who would want to buy Tonex.
It's literally the worst capture out of all 3......
Not a Kemper fan....
It’s easy 1200$ difference
Thank you for some rational sense.
The difference between the modelling/capturing is close to insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Choose the platform you prefer based on your needs and your budget. Simple as that.
And enjoy making music and stop wasting time debating/arguing/yada yada what is the best. We’re all spoilt for choice, that’s the plain truth.
I love my Quad Cortex though. It’s my end game piece of gear. For the time being at least 😅
I have wasted eleven minutes of my life. 😞
Oh jesus, please block me, so you'll not waste another time of your useless life please. block me now!
Thanks mate. Using this as the dislike button.
@maxsteex, hey man, fellow RUclipsr here. Don’t worry about the jerks that leave you negative comments. Trust me, with nearly 70k subscribers myself, I get jerks and idiots all the time and I simply block them from my channel. Those people NEVER have their own channel where they share content. They just troll around pissing on others who are only trying to help.
Keep doing what you do and don’t worry about those people.
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Hi! I know your channel, I've followed when I was at beginning with Studio One and you really helped me discover the version 2 :) I appreciate your comment. I simply like to answer to haters, they will never win
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Usually I really don't hate on other peoples videos but in this case, I just had to. I feel like being manipulated. It's just a case of fake news, what he said, that the M1 would be useless in the advance mode with the ToneX. Somebody else mentioned it in the comment section before and just look, how aggressive his answers were. It's just pure bullshit. So it is my good right to feel sad about my wasted time.
phaha if u going to use only for 1 player , tonex+hx effect or even moer fo effects is cheaper that a QC,Kemper,HRprime .