@@cristianpadilla8885 I have others cabs that sounds a lot better in the studio. I also have an empty Mesa cab that I'm going to fill with some Eminence speakers. The thing is that sometimes, very rearly, the fizzy top end of the Peavey cab is exactly what is needed. But not very often hehe.
@@hoborec maybe you could blend the tone of the Peavey cab with the other ones you have. Who knows, you could get a massive killer tone. Like the secret weapon that Glenn Fricker explain on how to get the sound of "In Flames" guitar tone. Who would know that blending a Valvestate with a "class a" tube amp was the key to that kind of sound. Maybe this is the case.
Good timing as I’ve been going through this over the last week recording demos for a new album. A couple of the amps I have work in standby mode using the line out or fx send so that’s great. The other two I just plug a loose patch cable into the fx return and then use the fx send which works great. These are all combos though not heads so I don’t need a huge speaker sitting there. Another way if you do need to keep a speaker connected is just buy a small 8 inch speaker cab like an orange or Vox one... much easier than lugging a big cab around. I also don’t use software IRs - have a NUX solid studio which works great and I prefer being able to adjust physical knobs. Thanks for the video.
You can also re-record your guitar track thru a monitor to get the air moving stuff that is missing with this method. Just put an sm57 in front of one of your monitors to capture the real physical sound and blend this new track with the other one.It's worth trying it !
I've never seen this kind of 'DIY load' before, but I like the idea! And it's super cheap what's a great thing. I really like your videos, your DIY attitude, your tips & tricks, how you explain things and last but not least your mixes and your style. This channel got one of my favourite ones recently, keep it up! /m/
thats an awesome trick ! didnt knew that was even possible , i once almost killed an amp by disconnecting the fx return to add another pedal while the amp was running .. the powertubes started glowing like light bulbs and i only noticed it because i smelled something weird and saw smoke rising from the head it happened in just a couple of seconds , not even a half minute haha
@@hoborec yeah i think it was because i had nothing going in the return , the only explanation that makes sense to me is that the power amp wasnt disconnected from the pre amp and was trying to amplify "nothing" with full power causing the power tubes to glow and smoke
Rivera Rockcrusher Recording. U can record with the powerstage of the amp engaged and you have a great EQ amp simulator built in.
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before i bought the torpedo live i simply put a speaker in a box with blankets around it so that it is almost silent to the outside. then i took a D.i. between poweramp and speaker and i had the dry signal works great and if you take ultra cheap used speakers
What did you use to take the DI between the amp and the speaker? Red box?
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@@hoborec a cheap behringer ultra-g GI 100. It did the job well and a real speaker is a optimal reactive load so it not that bad. I think if you biy used you could get the whole setup for 50 euro
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@@hoborec ... oh and i forgot to say: awesome video man i love your channel! (btw. i made some rather "special" IRs, wanna try them?)
Using the audio from the effects send isn't really going to cut it for a lot of people. The power amp stage is a good portion of an amps character. If you can, try and get a good reactive load box. Like a torpedo captor x or the suhr i.r.. both load ir files straight into the device so you can treat it's output as if you had mic'ed the amp.
Totally agree! But if you make the cab IR through the amps power stage you get some of that tonal character. But I wouldn’t settle for this in a recording situation. But it’s a cheap diy solution to be able to use your amp at home. A torpedo captor x cost more than I bought this amp and cab for, so the opposite of cheap diy solution.
@@hoborec Yeah, does change the proverbial 'algebra' of the situation. And what you're talking about becomes _very_ valid if that's the situation. All about the tradeoffs anyways. Though, as a side not, using the power section of a real amp still isn;'t the same as using a real power section with a reactive load (which is different from older non-reactive ones) A lot of the magic of a cranked marshall is in that power stage with the el34s and the giant chunk if iron they use for the transformer.
I can only say how I manage to record 100 watt tube amp at apartment...kind of quietly with the use of DI BOX. To me it is cheap and totally workable solution, without too much investment into proper load box (Suhr reactive load, Two Notes etc.) From speaker out I insert speaker cable into DI BOX input, and then from DI BOX output just connect speaker cable back to guitar cab (speaker for that matter)....just to have load for your tube amp, nothing more. What you get this way, on the other end of DI BOX, is the most important...and that is balanced line level signal through XLR cable going straight to your interface input ready for recording. Then you use your favorite IR in your DAW for speaker cab emulation. Ok, it is not dead quiet setup...but in order to record good and strong signal, you only have to turn up your amp just a little, because you are getting strong signal from power amp through DI BOX XLR out. Yes, there will be some bedroom level noise, not too much, believe me, but it is no more than talking level noise..nobody is going to knock on your door for that. I can say that I recorded that way few times in the early morning...let alone in the middle of the day and in the evening, that shouldn't be a problem.
Man I cant believe how close you got to the tone of the full amp/speaker/micc combo! So you were just using the preamp out into the cab sim, no power amp emulation? I like Two Notes Wall Of Sound also because it has an optional Power Amp Section emulation, as well as the cabs! But, ya even without a Power Amp, that sounded great!
Respectfully for Beginners not understanding AMps, wattage, Home electrical receptacles wattage, etc. could you or a known LINK, to assist those of us who have No Knowledge of these matters and end up blowing up their expensive Guitar amps? Trying to find answers as, CAN WE PLUGIN A 100W GUITAR AMp, SAFELY into a 132watt Home wall OUTLET?, What the difference between Regular Amps adn TUBE AMPS?, etc.. Thks in Advance for your Help.
JHS Pedals makes a passive attenuator pedal that runs in your effects loop thats only 50 dollars. Probably not as good as the weber but if your just looking to record demos or ideas its a viable option.
Hmmm, should probably work. Just take the send from the amp and instead of going back to return after fx’s and gate just go to the DI. Haven’t tried though.
this is exaclty what i was about to do with my ampeg b-25... since the ampeg b-25 doesnt have a balanced output (rather a preamp output) i need to use a DI box... but lets see what happens
Been a fan for a long time. Re-amp vs real micing... re-amping works great for secondary guitars.. but c'mon.. nothing beats a real 4x12 with a mic for main left n right gtrs. Cheers!!
I don't totally get what you mean for re-amping you use a real amp too. Do you mean using an IR? Because re-amped signals shouldn't sound different from a direct recorded signal straight from guitar to amp. Unless the guitarist is playing in the room the amp is in because then the amplifier will start feedback into the guitar a bit and this can sound different.
Re-amping is usually recording the dry guitar signal before hitting the effects and amps, and then sending that back out to an amp (real or otherwise) to be recorded.
Hi, the sound is amazing on your CAB IR. I downloaded it and this might sound foolish but, my guitar doesn't even sound distroted using the Peavey Classic WAV file installed on my DAW (Waveform). Have no idea if this is supposed to make my guitar sound like that. Thanks
Is there a way to turn a clean “amp” idk what it is it looks like one of those speakers/amp combo that comes with starter kits (it’s not mine) but it doesn’t have the clean/distortion switch on it
I don't think it's a good idea to use a resistor, the amp wants to see the dynamic resistance of the speaker, not a fixed by the resistor. It will work but don't know for how long. ✌🏻😁
There’s no signal going out through the speaker jack. I break the signal in the fx loop. The resistor is just there to protect when turning the amp on basically.
The IR and the real speaker cab are not goung to sound the same. The IR response is flat, it is a picture of a cab sound, and the real deal moves air that hits the mic, and that gives a non flat capture on the mic. Good tip to use a resistor on the amp speaker out.
@@mb2776 yes, but is a picture of a sound. It doesn't capture the whole spectrum. It's just a fraction of that sound. I'm not saying that sound bad, not at all, only it is not as dinamic as capturing the real deal.
@@mb2776 that's true, but remember, the air that the speaker moves is always different, and that air pressure is what makes the difference at the moment of recording.
@@cristianpadilla8885 thing is, i'm 100% with you, cab is the real deal and no IR will truly sound like the real deal. But, your explanation was kinda flawed and had some misconceptions. I tried to made it more clear.
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Just need to point out that I don’t really like the sound of that Peavey 4x12 cab. Don’t know why I keep using it in videos. 🤷♂️
Swap the speakers. Maybe 2 vintage 30 and 2 greenbacks on a X setting can do a lot to achieve a great tone.
@@cristianpadilla8885 I have others cabs that sounds a lot better in the studio. I also have an empty Mesa cab that I'm going to fill with some Eminence speakers. The thing is that sometimes, very rearly, the fizzy top end of the Peavey cab is exactly what is needed. But not very often hehe.
@@hoborec maybe you could blend the tone of the Peavey cab with the other ones you have. Who knows, you could get a massive killer tone. Like the secret weapon that Glenn Fricker explain on how to get the sound of "In Flames" guitar tone. Who would know that blending a Valvestate with a "class a" tube amp was the key to that kind of sound. Maybe this is the case.
@I Adore . . . If you put a load on the speaker out. As I did in the video.
Good timing as I’ve been going through this over the last week recording demos for a new album. A couple of the amps I have work in standby mode using the line out or fx send so that’s great. The other two I just plug a loose patch cable into the fx return and then use the fx send which works great. These are all combos though not heads so I don’t need a huge speaker sitting there. Another way if you do need to keep a speaker connected is just buy a small 8 inch speaker cab like an orange or Vox one... much easier than lugging a big cab around. I also don’t use software IRs - have a NUX solid studio which works great and I prefer being able to adjust physical knobs. Thanks for the video.
You can also re-record your guitar track thru a monitor to get the air moving stuff that is missing with this method.
Just put an sm57 in front of one of your monitors to capture the real physical sound and blend this new track with the other one.It's worth trying it !
Love this, man you're so helpful thank you
Thanks! I’m working on a better video about this. Something more useful.
MY neighbors liked my amplifier so much that they threw a brick through my window to hear it better!!
Gotta love when the neighbours cheer for you that much 🙌
I've never seen this kind of 'DIY load' before, but I like the idea! And it's super cheap what's a great thing. I really like your videos, your DIY attitude, your tips & tricks, how you explain things and last but not least your mixes and your style. This channel got one of my favourite ones recently, keep it up! /m/
thats an awesome trick ! didnt knew that was even possible , i once almost killed an amp by disconnecting the fx return to add another pedal while the amp was running .. the powertubes started glowing like light bulbs and i only noticed it because i smelled something weird and saw smoke rising from the head it happened in just a couple of seconds , not even a half minute haha
Wow, that sounds like something to be aware of if you want to follow my experiment. Didn’t happen to the couple of amps I tried this on.
@@hoborec yeah i think it was because i had nothing going in the return , the only explanation that makes sense to me is that the power amp wasnt disconnected from the pre amp and was trying to amplify "nothing" with full power causing the power tubes to glow and smoke
Rivera Rockcrusher Recording. U can record with the powerstage of the amp engaged and you have a great EQ amp simulator built in.
before i bought the torpedo live i simply put a speaker in a box with blankets around it so that it is almost silent to the outside. then i took a D.i. between poweramp and speaker and i had the dry signal works great and if you take ultra cheap used speakers
What did you use to take the DI between the amp and the speaker? Red box?
@@hoborec a cheap behringer ultra-g GI 100. It did the job well and a real speaker is a optimal reactive load so it not that bad. I think if you biy used you could get the whole setup for 50 euro
@@hoborec ... oh and i forgot to say: awesome video man i love your channel! (btw. i made some rather "special" IRs, wanna try them?)
The Bommel sure! I don’t use ir’s that much but I would love try it anyway. Hit me up at info@hoborec.com
@@hoborec thanks so much for you interest i'll send them over! :)
Isolated speaker cabinets are a good solution too, but they can be expensive. Still, to me it sounds better than a line-out.
I tried some iso boxes for cabs but always felt they get weird with phase issues since the sound just bounces around in there.
Isolated speaker cabinets are a good solution too, but they can be expensive. To me that’s better than a line-out.
Using the audio from the effects send isn't really going to cut it for a lot of people. The power amp stage is a good portion of an amps character. If you can, try and get a good reactive load box. Like a torpedo captor x or the suhr i.r.. both load ir files straight into the device so you can treat it's output as if you had mic'ed the amp.
Totally agree! But if you make the cab IR through the amps power stage you get some of that tonal character. But I wouldn’t settle for this in a recording situation. But it’s a cheap diy solution to be able to use your amp at home. A torpedo captor x cost more than I bought this amp and cab for, so the opposite of cheap diy solution.
@@hoborec Yeah, does change the proverbial 'algebra' of the situation. And what you're talking about becomes _very_ valid if that's the situation. All about the tradeoffs anyways.
Though, as a side not, using the power section of a real amp still isn;'t the same as using a real power section with a reactive load (which is different from older non-reactive ones) A lot of the magic of a cranked marshall is in that power stage with the el34s and the giant chunk if iron they use for the transformer.
I can only say how I manage to record 100 watt tube amp at apartment...kind of quietly with the use of DI BOX. To me it is cheap and totally workable solution, without too much investment into proper load box (Suhr reactive load, Two Notes etc.)
From speaker out I insert speaker cable into DI BOX input, and then from DI BOX output just connect speaker cable back to guitar cab (speaker for that matter)....just to have load for your tube amp, nothing more.
What you get this way, on the other end of DI BOX, is the most important...and that is balanced line level signal through XLR cable going straight to your interface input ready for recording.
Then you use your favorite IR in your DAW for speaker cab emulation.
Ok, it is not dead quiet setup...but in order to record good and strong signal, you only have to turn up your amp just a little, because you are getting strong signal from power amp through DI BOX XLR out. Yes, there will be some bedroom level noise, not too much, believe me, but it is no more than talking level noise..nobody is going to knock on your door for that.
I can say that I recorded that way few times in the early morning...let alone in the middle of the day and in the evening, that shouldn't be a problem.
Man I cant believe how close you got to the tone of the full amp/speaker/micc combo! So you were just using the preamp out into the cab sim, no power amp emulation? I like Two Notes Wall Of Sound also because it has an optional Power Amp Section emulation, as well as the cabs! But, ya even without a Power Amp, that sounded great!
I tried this, and apparently passed out due to smoke inhalation. The house caught fire. I was only alive because my dog, Lassie, pulled me to safety.
Hello! Could I use an amp-head without a speaker by using the emulated line out directly into a 8 track mixer or into an audio interface? Thanks
Hi! Sorry about late reply. Yes you can, but not sure how safe it is for the amp haha. This is a punk solution.
Respectfully for Beginners not understanding AMps, wattage, Home electrical receptacles wattage, etc. could you or a known LINK, to assist those of us who have No Knowledge of these matters and end up blowing up their expensive Guitar amps? Trying to find answers as, CAN WE PLUGIN A 100W GUITAR AMp, SAFELY into a 132watt Home wall OUTLET?, What the difference between Regular Amps adn TUBE AMPS?, etc.. Thks in Advance for your Help.
JHS Pedals makes a passive attenuator pedal that runs in your effects loop thats only 50 dollars. Probably not as good as the weber but if your just looking to record demos or ideas its a viable option.
What about using noise gate in 4 cable method and fx pedals, if you want to use them for live purposes, how to route all of that with this setup?
Hmmm, should probably work. Just take the send from the amp and instead of going back to return after fx’s and gate just go to the DI. Haven’t tried though.
this is exaclty what i was about to do with my ampeg b-25... since the ampeg b-25 doesnt have a balanced output (rather a preamp output) i need to use a DI box... but lets see what happens
good t-shirt 🙂
Been a fan for a long time. Re-amp vs real micing... re-amping works great for secondary guitars.. but c'mon.. nothing beats a real 4x12 with a mic for main left n right gtrs. Cheers!!
Obviously true! But more fun to use a personal amp like this than the same plugin over and over. A huge compromise though. Cheers!
@@hoborec Yes, I use real amps. Mesa MkIV, Jcm800, & 68' Plexi.
Cheers!
I don't totally get what you mean for re-amping you use a real amp too. Do you mean using an IR? Because re-amped signals shouldn't sound different from a direct recorded signal straight from guitar to amp. Unless the guitarist is playing in the room the amp is in because then the amplifier will start feedback into the guitar a bit and this can sound different.
Re-amping is usually recording the dry guitar signal before hitting the effects and amps, and then sending that back out to an amp (real or otherwise) to be recorded.
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Why did you used a DI box?
The best title 😂
Hi, the sound is amazing on your CAB IR. I downloaded it and this might sound foolish but, my guitar doesn't even sound distroted using the Peavey Classic WAV file installed on my DAW (Waveform). Have no idea if this is supposed to make my guitar sound like that. Thanks
U just need a 8ohm load resistor or 16 ohm like 25 to 50 watt if you want
Look at Gerald Weber attenuator. ( 100W amp makes the resistors expensive. Over 100 euro for diy. ( HS200 8RF HS100 4RF for 8 ohm speaker))
Is there a way to turn a clean “amp” idk what it is it looks like one of those speakers/amp combo that comes with starter kits (it’s not mine) but it doesn’t have the clean/distortion switch on it
I don’t really understand the question, sorry.
Smart guy
Hmmm I could prob just make an iso box and throw a speaker in there as a load
Of course! That will work better since the amp will behave as it should with a connected speaker.
I don't think it's a good idea to use a resistor, the amp wants to see the dynamic resistance of the speaker, not a fixed by the resistor. It will work but don't know for how long. ✌🏻😁
There’s no signal going out through the speaker jack. I break the signal in the fx loop. The resistor is just there to protect when turning the amp on basically.
The IR and the real speaker cab are not goung to sound the same. The IR response is flat, it is a picture of a cab sound, and the real deal moves air that hits the mic, and that gives a non flat capture on the mic.
Good tip to use a resistor on the amp speaker out.
An IR is made with a mic...
@@mb2776 yes, but is a picture of a sound. It doesn't capture the whole spectrum. It's just a fraction of that sound. I'm not saying that sound bad, not at all, only it is not as dinamic as capturing the real deal.
@@cristianpadilla8885 actually it does capture a spectrum cause it is made with a sweep or white noise
@@mb2776 that's true, but remember, the air that the speaker moves is always different, and that air pressure is what makes the difference at the moment of recording.
@@cristianpadilla8885 thing is, i'm 100% with you, cab is the real deal and no IR will truly sound like the real deal.
But, your explanation was kinda flawed and had some misconceptions. I tried to made it more clear.
I'll save everyone time ... USE AN ATTENUATOR and a DIRECT BOX ... duh